Post by: grim_d on April 02, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
Topics of note:
- RBJtech's Tutorial and Discussion Thread
- Lawdawg0931's Tutorial and Discussion Thread
- Video demonstrating successful X-clamp replacement (created by HackAbuse)
- Improved X-clamp Replacement (written by Wilhelm_I)
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 29 2007, 06:02 PM) 
Here are the offical home depot part numbers:
Qty - 8 Machine Screw Pan - Phillips 5 x 10mm (DR# - 313) UPC - 030699 801282
Qty - 16 Flat Washer Nylon #10 (DR# - 610) UPC - 030699 869381
Qty - 16 Flat Washer Steel / ZINC Plated 5mm (DR# - 606) UPC - 030699 363087
I have successfully repaired 4 3RLOD's with these parts. Do NOT use the 'hex' head screws as a alternative, they are too large and cause your motherboard to bend when you screw it all back togeather.
Note: The 'DR#' is the 'drawer number' and may not be the same at every home depot. I've visited 3 now with the same drawer numbers, but the upc and description is the best way to find it.
Qty - 8 Machine Screw Pan - Phillips 5 x 10mm (DR# - 313) UPC - 030699 801282
Qty - 16 Flat Washer Nylon #10 (DR# - 610) UPC - 030699 869381
Qty - 16 Flat Washer Steel / ZINC Plated 5mm (DR# - 606) UPC - 030699 363087
I have successfully repaired 4 3RLOD's with these parts. Do NOT use the 'hex' head screws as a alternative, they are too large and cause your motherboard to bend when you screw it all back togeather.
Note: The 'DR#' is the 'drawer number' and may not be the same at every home depot. I've visited 3 now with the same drawer numbers, but the upc and description is the best way to find it.
Please read the following carefully:
Do not add results from the jewel-case method, we don't want them!
If, and only if, you have done one of the above methods, then reply in this thread. Please post one of the following options, nothing more, nothing less. For discussion of the tutorial, methods, etc., please use the above links to the appropriate tutorial thread.
- Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
- Fixed the 3RLOD. Video still freezes occasionally.
- Mixed results. Sometimes works with no 3RLOD.
- Did not fix the 3RLOD.
(I will update and merge posts into here as needed, other moderators feel free to help out.)
Current results:
- Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine: 925 consoles.
- Fixed the 3RLOD. Video still freezes occasionally: 23 consoles.
- Mixed results. Sometimes works with no 3RLOD: 8 consoles.
- Did not fix the 3RLOD: 86 consoles.
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Post by: grim_d on April 02, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
example.
"1. Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues at all now, No freezes, works fine"
thanks.
This post has been edited by grim_d: Apr 30 2007, 12:35 PM
Post by: ahtze on May 08, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
I think this will be a great research on how the x-clamp works.
I heard a lot of people says the method only works for days to month only.
I think the result we are getting now is for those who have their 360 fixed at day 1.
That way, we can know the x-clamp works and might able to improve it.
Sorry, if I am not suppose to give suggestion(you can delete it).
Thanks
This post has been edited by ahtze: May 8 2007, 11:14 PM
Post by: grim_d on May 08, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
QUOTE(ahtze @ May 8 2007, 11:13 PM)
Hi, I wonder should we update the result with duration? I mean add more statistic like it been working for 7 days , 30 days, 1 month, 2 months ? And also, Statistic saying it stops working after 7 days, 30 days etc etc.
I think this will be a great research on how the x-clamp works.
I heard a lot of people says the method only works for days to month only.
I think the result we are getting now is for those who have their 360 fixed at day 1.
That way, we can know the x-clamp works and might able to improve it.
Sorry, if I am not suppose to give suggestion(you can delete it).
Thanks
i beleive lawdawgs and rbjtech boxes are still in good working order, which would indicate good results.
Post by: Maj Pyro on October 08, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: u_n_s97 on October 09, 2007, 08:40:00 AM
"1. Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues at all now, No freezes, works fine"
regards, Stephen
Post by: crapz1 on October 09, 2007, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: irishj on February 03, 2020, 03:39:00 AM
I was getting the two & three flashing lights problem, but two sets of washers under the GPU heatsink resolved that isssue. Nice blob of thermal paste too.
Going to do the CPU heatsink next. Used Lawdawg's method.
Post by: sabbath_dude on February 03, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: KevinChristman on November 16, 2007, 11:48:00 PM
Thank you so much. I bought my XBOX 360 off of eBay refurbished and eventually got the red ring of death. So I tried sending it to Microsoft, but got it back two weeks later un-repaired. So I went searching the internet for the cheapest places to get it fix until I came upon this method. I didn't want to spend $100+ so I followed the directions perfectly, and walah, I have a working XBOX 360 again. Thank you soooooooooo much for the tutorial.
Post by: larsenmash on November 17, 2007, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: slimdagreat on November 17, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
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Post by: lowridese on November 17, 2007, 09:35:00 PM
Ill just keep pouring water on it....maybe ice....oh well.
Mike
Post by: deity_shadow on November 18, 2007, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: Morninglight on November 19, 2007, 07:19:00 AM
With the MKIII fix, used 3 washers between board & CPU/GPU.
Post by: boone72315 on February 02, 2020, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Hodr on February 03, 2020, 02:18:00 PM
Bought the system 3-4 months after release, only just 3ROD'd when I got Mass Effect (no relation I am sure, but still an odd trend).
Not sure what the secondary code was before as I forgot to check.
10+ hours over 3 days so far.
I used the Lawdawg method w/ some older AS (3 or 4 or something).
I must have read the guide wrong. I used the Lowes parts and put the screws in directly onto the motherboard, not onto the metal bottom plate (the graphic didn't make it clear that you need to go through the plate). The board fit back into the case and was only slightly misaligned in the front (which easily pulled back into place with the screws).
Do I need to worry about the board warping again because of the way I re-assembled it? Will the screw heads act as standoffs as in the MKI and possible help the situation rather than hurt?
Post by: 0rbytel on November 23, 2007, 12:03:00 PM
i just tried the xclamp mod- and it worked a treat. I ended up only using 1 washer on the gpu, which was the only way to stop the rings. Also- the first time i booted it up- it froze and gave me two rings (overheating), and has worked fine since.
cheers!
Post by: mzalewski on November 24, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
I just bought a broken Xbox 360 - it was coming up with the 3RLOD(code 0102) and the warranty had already been voided.
I originally tried the towel trick, but that didnt work.
I followed the xclamp replacement tutorial and it's now working (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the three lights came back on after i was finished, so i left it running for 5 minutes then restarted it - now its fine.
Post by: jls08 on November 25, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
UsingL
Lawdawg0931's method.
Post by: BRYN02 on November 27, 2007, 05:40:00 AM
Post by: jimjom on November 27, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
worked on first boot, froze once, never again.
(1) DID NOT fix the 3RLOD. Won't boot, no matter what.
just wont boot, no matter what. Error 0103.
Post by: Goldtiger on November 27, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
Used modified Lawdawg0931's method since I'm in Canada and I couldn't find everything needed. I skipped the fiber washers and used spacer washers instead of flat ones. The mounting holes are already isolated and it should do the trick perfectly if you can't find fiber or nylon washers...
THANKS SO MUCH FOR REVIVING MY 360 !!!!
Post by: evilroot on November 28, 2007, 04:55:00 AM
I have an original launch machine. It recently started giving me the 3rlod with error code 0102 so I decided to try out Lawdawg0931's method . . . . I'm an experienced rework technician with high level soldering skill (I can easily do a board full of 0603 pitch components and TSSOP ICs by hand with a fine tipped iron), and didn't feel like waiting a few weeks for a warranty repair. The MS sticker was intact at this point and I could have gotten a free repair, but I decided to deal with the issue myself. Given the overwhelming success of the xclamp replacement method I figured it was no big deal doing it myself . . . .
But I was wrong. I replaced the xclamps with Lowes hardware and AS 5 and did the overheating step . . . to no avail. Then I tried using just one washer instead of two and only managed to change the error code from 0102 to 0020 and 0023. (This would seem to cement the belief that 0020 and 0023 are GPU solder joint related issues) Adding back in the washers changed it right back to 0102. I then went to the heat gun method . . . . . again, to no avail. At this point I inspected the GPU with a magnifying glass and realized that the ENTIRE PACKAGE was warped! One side was completely lifted from the motherboard, with broken solder joints clearly visible. There's simply no remedy I can think of for such a badly damaged BGA component. No matter how much heat is applied it won't matter if half the chip isn't making contact with the motherboard!
I guess in some cases there's just nothing you can do short of buying a new GPU, solder stencil, and solder paste and then reflowing the whole thing. And that's just crazy.
Post by: jsjerkins on November 28, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Post by: fokia on November 28, 2007, 07:54:00 AM
RoD (console laying down):
CODE
______________________________________________
| _ _______ |
| \ |
| - __ __ \ / |
-----------------------------------------------
Used AS5 + hybrid method (mostly Lawdawg0931's but also taken Rbjtech's in to the equation - thank you both) on GPU/CPU heatsinks:
CODE
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
:::::: :::::::::::::::heatsink::::::::::::::::::::::
_ _ metal washer __________________
_ _ Nylon washer | GPU/CPU
...... .............................................
| | mobo
...... .............................................
_ _ Nylon washer
^
| M5 Bolt goes here....
Internal metal case not modified/drilled (not needed)
At first, I just hand-tighten the bolts (with no fans) and used the heatup phase to re-solder GPU/CPU to board (I did noticed some bending on the mobo) waited about 4-5min with no change to 2RoD (overheating). Without letting it cool down I tighten (attention: cross tighten bolts) with a small driver until it's real tight - after that no more 3RoD! Still without fans on, I let it overheat and waited 30sec to 'cook' the solder then unplug the power suply. Let it cooldown for about 5-10min reinstalled everything and as far I can tell all is running smoothly - as this console wasn't mine (it was of a friend of mine: when he got 3RoD without warranty - misplaced it, I guess - he went running buying an Elite) so I don't have any games (or even controller) so I can give it a little HEAT.
The xbox360 internals were in a very dirty mess (beware!)!!! Lots of dust, cotton and such (the console is just about one year old) - it took me some (lot) of time to get rid of that mess (I rub most everything with an old tooth brush to free the dirt). I could notice the heat marks (GPU heatsink) on the lower bottom of the DVD Drive and at the top internal metal case (CPU heatsink) also, the copper of the CPU heatsink was heat-colored (!) and the thermal grease of the GPU was all over the top of the GPU and it was a pain in the ... to take (most of) it out!!
I'll be doing some additional mods to improve air flow and thus lower temperature: at first the metal mesh at fan output will be trimmed off then I'll try to figure out if there's any need for adding an extra fan to take fresh air inside.
Once more, thanks...
[Edit]:
I'm a bit worried about the little bending that this solution causes on the motherboard (it does exactly the opposite of the x-clamps), probably I should had been more conservative and use 3 washers instead of only 2.
Does any one revert these steps without problems? I ask this because off bending and possible de-solder due to actual tension (bend) on GPU/Mobo...
This post has been edited by fokia: Nov 28 2007, 04:04 PM
Post by: id43wor on November 28, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
thanks so much I thought it was game over with code 0102. but used MKIII exactly and yeah baby! 15 minutes hard play because Ive got serious paranoya that this fix is gunna run out or sum shit.
thanx again
Post by: fokia on November 28, 2007, 05:42:00 PM
I lose much of the tension on the mobo (loose the bolts) as carefull as possible to prevent these 'appenings'.
Think about this: We're complaining about bad desing on the x-clamps but the the FIX does exaclite the same think in the interface mobo/GPU anda mobo/CPU but in the oppopsite direction. Therefore I´m not suprised the problem coming back in these conditions...
Post by: dannyboy87 on November 29, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
i used laws tutorial worked a treat
Fixed error 0020
thanks
Post by: Emerica on November 29, 2007, 12:41:00 AM
Errors 0102 for the most part until i started baking it with no xclamp replacement.
Errors jumped from 0103 and 0110 and back to 0102.
It would work after some bakes, but overheats much too fast.
Added a fan to gpu heatsink.
http://www.pxn.ca/images/xbox/xclamp_fanmod_fixedfornow.jpg
Canadian Tire didn't have what we needed, pretty small selection. Didn't try home depot.
Rona was next door to Canadian tire.
Nylon Washers
Servalite 229-M Nylon Flat Washer No.10 - UPC 039008000071 (5 per pack, square white packet.)
Metal Washers
Servalite 284-B Metric Washer 5mm Flat - UPC 039008000019 (singles)
Bolts
Servalite 247-K Metric Phil Machine Screw M5 X 10mm Pan Head - UPC 039008000071 (gen hardware upc I guess?)
I've only done the gpu xclamp so far as one bolt i picked up was a size too big.
Finger tightened the new bolts, with washers, plugged in and let it bake, tightened 1/4 turns on each bolt, twice while cooling. (only waited a minute or so after unplugging)
Let it cool, and booted right up and appears to be stable, we'll see.
After the gpu fan, the cpu heatsink is cool to the touch during assassins creed.
How durable are the nylon washers to heat, are they a timebomb?
I tried the 12v mod on the fans to try and create more flow but it's too loud, hopefully this will be sufficient.
Thanks for the tuts, while not a complete fix for all, is seems to fix the base issue.
Remember if this works for you, get the gpu cooled as best as you can to try to prevent it from getting hot enough to do damage again.
Appears to have fixed the problem. Only a matter of hours and a number of heatups and cooldowns to see what the true outcome may be. No freezes or artifacts or slowdowns to speak of so far.
Post by: angrypond on November 29, 2007, 10:11:00 AM
i never thought id be so happy to see those green lights
1.fixed 3rol error 110
Post by: InFaMoUs RooKi3 on November 29, 2007, 12:14:00 PM
Used MkIII method.
On first boot I had the 3RLOD. I unplugged the console and loosened all 8 screws and plugged it back in. The plan was to push down on each screw as suggested and I was lucky that the first screw I pushed worked. I now have 4 green lights and everything seems good, I tightened the screws by holding the screwdriver with my fingers (rather than the normal palm grip) and twisted the screws tight without forcing too much.
I've only tested it for 2 hours on GRAW but am going to put it through its paces with Mass Effect, will let you all know if something goes wrong.
Btw I'm from Australia and I found all my parts at Bunnings with the exception of the thermal paste which I bought from Jaycar.
Parts used:
Flat washer (5mm) pack of 50 around $3
Metric Screw (5mm x 15mm) pack of 12 around $4
I used 3 washers under the m/board, 1 for the CPU and 2 for GPU. The process was pretty easy, it helps if you're handy with this type of thing otherwise it will be difficult.
THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT FIX!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: SimianEtza on November 29, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: bookem123 on November 29, 2007, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: larsenmash on November 29, 2007, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: zippy101 on November 30, 2007, 04:34:00 AM
Another success using RBJtech's MKIII method (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: micheal777 on November 30, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
Results on an $80 console that I had bought off ebay and repaired using the MkIII method:
2. Freeze
2 blinking lights immediately after (both on the left side) procedure
1 freeze (might have actually been the game Assassin's Creed that caused this)
Console has been running for over two weeks with up to 2-3 hours of daily gameplay/dvd viewing with no real issues yet, other than loud fans while ingame.
Honestly, so far it appears to be a great fix. I'll report again in a couple of weeks with any progress / deterioration.
Post by: ghengistahn on February 02, 2020, 11:04:00 PM
Thanks
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Post by: greggy on February 03, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
Got a new XBox360 with a mobile phone subscription. Contents: Samsung MS-28. Bought Centronics SATA PCI card. Flashed my drive to Xtreme 4.2. Played not so often (30 yrs. and a busy job) and not too long per session. Some day, after not using the 360 for games (sometimes as DVD player), I got the ROD. F*CK!
Googled somewhat, saw the video's about x-clamp and decided to fix it myself. I did not feel ok with the towell trick. So, opened up the case. Bought some torx screwdrivers and some bolts and plastic washers. Removed the x-clamp and heatsinks. New paste on the chips. Tightened the nuts with washers without x-clamp (the motherboard was a bit under pressure, firm but not too firm...). Booted the xbox for the first time again (without fans). Still the ROD. F*CK again...!
Baked the 360 for about 3 minutes (without any fans). Whow... this thing is like an oven. In two minutes you cannot touch the heatsinks anymore. Let it cool off for about 10 minutes.
Then I put everything together. The nuts were too high so all the connectors were about 1,5 mm too high. But all connectors are fixed to the casing so this was no problem (more tension.... great! :-) Before closing all of the case; check it. And.... it worked flawless!! Superb. Werkt als een tiet.
Flashed DVD to 1.3, put all of it together and we're back in business... Hope this will make you feel better....
BTW: parts: out of my head: I used M5 x 10mm bolts for both heatsinks with a M5 spring washer on the mainboard bottom side. On the top side I used one M5 plastic ring (about 1mm high). Do not tighten the spring washer fully but tighten is quite hard (the spring washer was not fully, so medium, pressed!). Used it for both processors with new thermal paste. Costed me about 2 euro's. The torx, size 8 or something, was 6 euro. Good luck!
This post has been edited by greggy: Yesterday, 08:18 PM
Post by: xlinkx on February 03, 2020, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: greggy on February 03, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
I played a couple of days now with sessions up to 5 hours. Not a single sign of breaking. I should mention that the box now is vertical and stands free. So lots of cold air available. Before it operated in a closet (dressoir) with the back plate removed. This was too hot for the 360 but was a lot quiter.
Did you try 'baking it'? In the beginning my 360 also still had the 3 ROD lights and would not boot. Make sure the paste is spread evenly (I used some crappy old shit) and tightened good enough. After baking, let it cool off and tighten the bolts again. Not too firm, but enough...
Good luck!
Post by: bigolyt on December 11, 2007, 01:02:00 AM
I read about solder points becoming "unsoldered" after time? What is it referring to? The GPU just SITS on the CPU right? Nothing is SOLDERED so to speak.
This is the reasoning from the guys over at x-clamp-fix.com which doesnt really make sense?
"The basic reason we found out is that the metal housing of the 360 is not straight bended by production. The bended area is exactly there where the GPU sits. That means if you screw in the Mainboard it will exactly bended like the metal case. This mechanical tension to the mainboard will break the soldered grid ball connection ealier or later. The original X-clamp does not produce enough pressure to the heat sink to keep the mainboard straight connected to the GPU. The original X-clamp is made of ordinary steel what really doesn`t help in this case. It lost pressure in a few months. The only steel that delivers enough pressure power is spring steel"
What Im asking is HOW this fix works and why?
Post by: Munition quality on December 11, 2007, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: Supremespeed on December 11, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: dpbmt on December 12, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE
1.# Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
Had error 0102, fixed with RBJtech's X-clamp MkIII method.
Post by: nebelwurfer on December 12, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
I do want to note that I originally I did get the screws snug in the bottom and overheated the 360 w/o the fans for 2 minutes as stated in the guide. When it didn't work (3RLOD was still popping up), I waited for cool down, then tightened the nuts more but not intense power. Did the overheating trick for 3 minutes this time, and that did the trick.
Thank you very much!!
Post by: Zanzang on December 13, 2007, 12:33:00 AM
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
(x-clamp replacement, lawdawg's method, works perfectly now.
)
Post by: bigolyt on December 13, 2007, 03:16:00 AM
I just did the fix and it works AWESOME!
Post by: skewba98z28 on December 13, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Do not be afraid to torque the bolts. I torqued mine on the verge of stripping the heat sinks with a 1/4 ratchet.
Post by: parksy on December 13, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: Jesseboy on December 14, 2007, 01:24:00 AM
Post by: InFaMoUs RooKi3 on December 14, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
Just passed the 2 week mark and there seems to be no problem even after a 24hr session playing Mass Effect. I applied the RJB method of cooling by isolating each fan and was a little worried that it might catch on fire
but after that session my mind is at ease.Once again THANK YOU!
Post by: jdsony on December 14, 2007, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: Refferehtom on December 14, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
I was getting error code 0102, used lawdawgs method.
I will be replacing my stock fans and adding a front fan on the case in about a week. Shouldn't have any more overheating issues after that.
Thanks guys.
Post by: Elemino on December 15, 2007, 12:33:00 AM
Post by: lycan_fx on December 15, 2007, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: Kinitex on December 17, 2007, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(lycan_fx @ Dec 15 2007, 10:43 PM) 
nope didnt work for me, i dont know if i done anything wrong but now i cant get the thing to over heat, the power brick turns green then back to orange. i cant even get the thing to turn on by pressing open on the dvd drive. and i even tried plugging the fans back in but they spin for a second then switch off. the 3rol are still on the console but it just wont over heat. any suggestions would be appreciated thanx in advance.
Lycan its most likely a short somewhere. You know those little legs sticking up on the outsides of the mother board? Check and make sure all of those are touching on the inside of the case and none are outside.
Post by: lycan_fx on December 17, 2007, 06:18:00 AM
Post by: Rando81 on December 18, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
my console started to freeze after 6 months of purchase untill it died completely with error code 0102, I really dont know what to call my method (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) cuz i was supposed to apply MKIII method but i couldn't find appropriate parts so i just bolted the heatsinks to the mobo instead of metal case (don't know the consequences but i had no choice) , added front fan and did the shroud modification...
I played COD4 for half an hour without problems (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (before i was able to play for 2 minutes and then 3RLOD)
This post has been edited by Rando81: Dec 18 2007, 09:42 PM
Post by: Close2perfek on December 18, 2007, 04:46:00 PM
I also didn't drill the case either. I put 3 washers under the board because the bolt had as a slight curve in it. I put 2 washers directly on the top of the board then sat the heatsink on top then I put the nylon nuts on top. When I installed it back into the case I only put in the screws to hold the top and the dvd player in place. This was done to keep from bending the board.
So success thus far and it's now been 30+ days
Thanks to ALL involved in this post.
Post by: sternobread on December 18, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: champ91 on December 19, 2007, 01:34:00 AM
then 1 ring of death
then 3 rings of death
then back to 2 ring of death
now......
a complete x-clamp replacement did not work. So I replaced only one x-clamp and left the other one on. Now it works fine. Havn't had any problems since.
Post by: adrian089 on December 19, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: HiddenSniper on December 19, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: slipknotcc on December 20, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: col_klink on December 21, 2007, 08:30:00 AM
I think part of the problem with letting the xbox overheat itself, is that it doesnt get the gpu hot enough. It seems as though the cpu overheats first, and throws the overheat lights. So if you have a heatgun, you can help the gpu along, or if you can isolate the fan to only blow on the cpu, you could ensure that only the gpu is overheating.
Also, its a good idea to cut out the metal tray to give clearance to your bolts. If you dont, then when you bolt it all back together, it will put your xbox on a bind, which is probably not good for solder joints either. Also, the thermal pads on the memory may not touch the tray properly if they are spaced more by the bolt heads.
Good luck all
Post by: SphtKr76 on December 21, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
Box #1---result #1-worked perfectly on the first boot
Box #2---result #1-Needed to heat the board for 2 minutes with fans unplugged, boots and runs perfectly after the cool down
Box #3---result #4-Can't get this one to work for the life of me.
Post by: Murderface on December 22, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: Hardware on December 24, 2007, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(SphtKr76 @ Dec 21 2007, 08:12 PM)
I did 3 consoles yesterday. All were showing 0020.
Box #1---result #1-worked perfectly on the first boot
Box #2---result #1-Needed to heat the board for 2 minutes with fans unplugged, boots and runs perfectly after the cool down
Box #3---result #4-Can't get this one to work for the life of me.
If you don't mind me asking. What did you do to fix the first 2 consoles? I have the same error right now. Did you do the X-Clamp replacement?
Post by: SonicPower on December 24, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
Xbox #1: After 2 months, completely dead. Always 3ROL (0102). Worked sometimes applying heat. Eventually died. Gave it to xbox360-pros, which I don't know what they did, but they couldn't fix it. Threw it away to them.
Xbox #2: After 8 months, 3ROL (0102) came back. WIP. Now switching over to RBJTech MKIII with Arctic Cooling MX-2 paste (since AS5 sucks because of longevity. MX-2 is the new king. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) and adding two ramsinks with shroud mod.
Xbox #3: After 8 months, still going. However, I think it will end up like Xbox #2 soon because I used AS5.
This post has been edited by SonicPower: Dec 25 2007, 05:17 AM
Post by: bobz9 on December 25, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
I had to use the baking method though even though MkIII says not to, works great now.
Post by: sowa99 on December 27, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
:1. Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
2. Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
Post by: cellblockfour on December 27, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
Had error code 0020
Used mix of the methods, i used 5 x 10 mm bolts and secured the heatsinks to the motherboard not the board and caseing. This was because i did not have a drill bit handy.
First attempt it did not work so i removed the heatsinks and replaced the thermal compund. Put back together and works.
Then did the bake method for good measures.
Only played for about 5 mins but working fine so far and before wouldnt boot at all.
Thanks
Success!!!
Had error code 0020
Used mix of the methods, i used 5 x 10 mm bolts and secured the heatsinks to the motherboard not the board and caseing. This was because i did not have a drill bit handy.
First attempt it did not work so i removed the heatsinks and replaced the thermal compund. Put back together and works.
Then did the bake method for good measures.
Only played for about 5 mins but working fine so far and before wouldnt boot at all.
Thanks
Post by: Leyart on December 27, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
I had a console with 0102 error code (3ROD), no use when i tried to boot up, completely dead.
After XCLAMP replacement everything went fine, it has been on for 6 hours up to now without a freeze, continuos load playing. Thanks a lot.
Post by: cheechandchong on December 28, 2007, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: Kasei on December 28, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
Anyways I pulled the top plastic case off and loosened the bolts on the xclamp mod one at a time, on the GPU only, it then ran on COD4 for well over an hour until I switched it off, think I'm gonna add an extra case fan to suck more air out and a couple of small fans to suck more air in, fingers crossed that keeps it going this time.
Post by: ScottBuckingham on December 28, 2007, 07:08:00 PM
Fantasic.
Been working for 5 days now, 20+ hours on actively playing, not a hitch.
Also, runs smoother than before? Bizarre?
Thank you.
Post by: welltainted on December 29, 2007, 04:08:00 AM
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
Yes, that is two separate successes, so far. Thank you for your solution. :D
Post by: stevent76 on December 29, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Apg215 on December 29, 2007, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: Raven 666 on December 30, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: FoneFreak on December 31, 2007, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: jaywalk102 on December 31, 2007, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: DeathsGuard on December 31, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
Would this kit work the same? also the baking method afterwards seems to work just as well.
Post by: Tranman on December 31, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
Tried the MKIII method and ARS5...still wouldn't boot. Used the heat gun method and viola...works great...so far. Will report back if status has changed.
This post has been edited by Tranman: Dec 31 2007, 11:30 PM
Post by: allowishus on January 02, 2008, 07:27:00 PM
thought it was just an error w assassins creed, yet i tried a couple other games and got the same thing. i loosened up the yellow/gold screws and tightened up the new xclamp replacement screws. now i'm heating up the console and will see if it works after that.
if anyone could post suggestions on what to do if yours starts to freeze up after fixing it with the xclamp replacement methond that would be great!
Post by: fastnlow93teg on January 04, 2008, 09:18:00 AM
All but 2 have worked perfectly after the repairs, 1 was put in the freezer by the owner after the repair due to video freezing-it NEVER worked again and he swears he was sober when he did it. The other was my personal console which had video freezing that I could not repair.
I have 3 more consoles at home with the 0102 error that will be repaired this weekend, hopefully no issues.
Post by: bikermike69uk on January 04, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
any ideas?
Post by: elocin671 on January 04, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: clayg on January 05, 2008, 02:45:00 AM
Was getting Error 0222 - been working for 3 days.
Details:
http://thoughtsbyclayg.blogspot.com/2008/0...eplacement.html
Post by: thecresta on January 05, 2008, 06:54:00 AM
Error code 0020.
Some clever dick at MS tightened a screw so much that the GPU heatsink was actually touching the motherboard. Left a nice red burn and big crack on the PCB.
Didn't stand a chance....
Post by: clayg on January 05, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Was getting Error 0020 - been working for 3 days.
Details:
http://thoughtsbyclayg.blogspot.com/2008/0...eplacement.html
Post by: Eddie_the_Hated on January 05, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: ericjason on January 05, 2008, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Eddie_the_Hated @ Jan 6 2008, 01:33 AM)
1. Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine. (x2)
I made the x clamp replacement principle. . . and I got rid of 3ROF. . .it works fine now.. thank you very much everybody. . . .
Post by: milamber on January 06, 2008, 07:40:00 AM
Thanks to lawdawg0931 and all others who contributed to this fix.
This post has been edited by milamber: Jan 6 2008, 03:44 PM
Post by: Tranman on January 06, 2008, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Tranman @ Dec 31 2007, 04:23 PM)
Had code 0021...before it came to me it would boot, then freeze on intro video, eventually not booting at all giving RROD.
Tried the MKIII method and ARS5...still wouldn't boot. Used the heat gun method and viola...works great...so far. Will report back if status has changed.
UPDATE: A week later...developed RROD again, this time error code 0102. Used the heat gun again to revive... but for how long? We'll see...I noticed if I tightened the heat sink too much, it would give me RROD...so backed off on screws.
Post by: omega007 on January 06, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
Gotta hand it to you guys nice work....
I went with LAWDAWG0931 guide screwed in from below the motherboard instead of outside the case with 1 washer on each screw underneath the motherboard and for me it took 2 washers instead of 3 inbetween the CPU and GPU heat sinks and bolted them down with nuts with the occasional one washer from above the heatsinks to give the nuts something to grip on when tightened. Also used Artic 5 thermal compound didnt even have to heat it up just came alive :/. Guess only time will tell how long its last for but i will keep you posted on that.
Minor issue with the dvd drive being hitachi im waiting for the guy to get back to me to say its the original drive incase its a key issue but hopefully its just a laser issue i can just replace. I play dvd films for hours and some game demos from the harddisk also some HD Hexin just cant run games from the drive atm how frustrating.
Some tips if fans run really fast your over heating with 3rlod this means the heatsinks are making hardly any contact decrease the amount of washers inbetween the heatsinks on CPU and GPU dont go any lower than 2 washers otherwise the board will bend or even worse damage the die. Also dont over tighten the nuts either as long as the heatsinks are tight on there and also make sure you have applied enough thermal paste. And dont forget to apply the thermal pads like the guide shows underneath the board on the four chips.
I shall cease to rabbit on but all credit to them guys on the guides :/
Post by: fingofongo on January 07, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: Almog6k on January 08, 2008, 07:12:00 AM
XBOX 360 works great
Post by: jerrspud on January 08, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
I use the lamma version.
starts up with 3 rings. then I power off after about 30 seconds and it works fine. Sounds like I just need to adjust screws.
Post by: TheDrizzle on January 08, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Chris583 on January 08, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
I tried tightening and loosening screws on the gpu and cpu, but to no success.
Tommorow I will try only using nylon washer on gpu instead of nylon, than metal washer under gpu above mobo. Also might try penny mod fix. But am doubtful that I'm going to get this box to work.
Suggestions anyone for lawdawg method combination of washers? I did what he outlined but maybe less or more would help fix my problem? Maybe?
Post by: FoneFreak on January 09, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Chris583 @ Jan 9 2008, 07:31 AM)
ok so i said some of this already in the error codes thread but i tried lawdawgs x-clamp fix and AS5 paste, however after overheating and letting cool for 30mins i still have the 3 lights. Error code 0020. So it didnt work! I got whisper led custom fans in there so it should be cooler and an open window case.
I tried tightening and loosening screws on the gpu and cpu, but to no success.
Tommorow I will try only using nylon washer on gpu instead of nylon, than metal washer under gpu above mobo. Also might try penny mod fix. But am doubtful that I'm going to get this box to work.
Suggestions anyone for lawdawg method combination of washers? I did what he outlined but maybe less or more would help fix my problem? Maybe?
Also find out what your secondary error code is and work on THAT area, THAT is what the problem is!!. You shouldnt be messing with cpu AND gpu becuase as you fix 1 adgustment you could be messing up the other adjustment. Tighten the screws until they are hand tight and try again - DONT OVER TIGHTEN - Good luck)
Post by: DazSH on January 09, 2008, 09:27:00 AM
Had error 0020
Only changed x-clamp on Gpu not cpu
Thanks all that helped make these tuts
Post by: Chris583 on January 09, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(FoneFreak @ Jan 9 2008, 10:58 AM)
Hi, the only reason this fix will not work is because it hasnt been done word for word., the heatsinks are proberbly NOT touching the dye properly. Also try llama guide (ggle it). Sorry to say but your 360 is NOT dead unless phsyically damaged?, you need to do it word for word, make sure there is no bend in the board etc (some people it works with 3 washers some with 2 etc). I used lawadogs and used screw/washer under the board and 2 washers on the top side of the board - works just like new)
Also find out what your secondary error code is and work on THAT area, THAT is what the problem is!!. You shouldnt be messing with cpu AND gpu becuase as you fix 1 adgustment you could be messing up the other adjustment. Tighten the screws until they are hand tight and try again - DONT OVER TIGHTEN - Good luck)
thanks for the input, i am definitely trying multiple things today and i suppose as a last resort i will try a differant x-clamp method that includes drilling and new parts i would need to get.
question u say focus on the secondary error code how do you find that? I noticed I used to get 0022 before lawdawg fix and now i get 0020, is this secondary? Im thinking it means GPU or CPU connection/overheating/fried issue.
Post by: sabbath_dude on January 09, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: JB0101 on January 10, 2008, 12:34:00 AM
Post by: andreDOWN575 on January 10, 2008, 12:51:00 AM
Post by: xenonguru on January 10, 2008, 01:17:00 AM
1 # Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
just used another thermal compound, (akasa pro-grade 460) the store didn't have AS5, and used 5mm black steal break washers to make more pressure and they don't come off over time
Post by: smehdi on January 10, 2008, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE
please do not post anything other than your result.
Sorry.
Post by: wilbytilwy on January 10, 2008, 10:54:00 AM
Just wanted to add my experience...
RRoD, wouldn't boot.
Used MKIII method, bolted the heatsinks down, used AS5. Also did RBJtech's fan shroud mod.
Works perfectly, has never frozen or had another RRoD. Been running with this fix for about 6 months now, so this should give people confidence that this is a good long-term fix.
Wilby Tilwy
Post by: j3z3l on January 11, 2008, 02:32:00 AM
I have completed the ROL mod and happy to say the system is running great now for 2 days.. i will update in the future..
took me a while to get it working right, at first i tightened up all screws after applying new AS5 and it would boot up normal but give me 2 red lights after 2 mins.. then i cleaned paste off again and re-did the screws, this time back to ROL, lool... Finally cleaned paste again and tightened everything up some more and let it bake for 2 mins and it has been working ever since.. No freezing issue's at all!!
too much paste kept giving me heat issue's, 2 red lights..
i hope this lasts. i just got an elite and will now use this system for mods..
people that are having trouble, just keep at it, i did and it payed off...
Post by: Mars10 on January 11, 2008, 06:26:00 PM
mark a yes it worked for me
(also, before i tried it with the parts listed in the OP i bought some kit off of a dutch website, i do NOT recommend buying that. It went from an error 0102 to a 0020 because it was bending the board so bad. Just a tip)
Post by: ghengistahn on January 11, 2008, 07:17:00 PM
PLUS i can get on live now with no worries
thanks again guys
Post by: murraylandale on January 12, 2008, 06:44:00 AM
Post by: sav007 on January 14, 2008, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: thirtywinter on January 14, 2008, 05:50:00 PM
Totally sweet! And many thanks!
Post by: Rothariger on January 14, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
thanks to all!!
Post by: krazie-t on January 14, 2008, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: bobz9 on January 14, 2008, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(bobz9 @ Dec 25 2007, 07:09 PM)
Im surprised to say it works. I used the MkIII and throughly cleaned the chips with GoofOff and rubing alcohol before applying Arctic Silver 5.
I had to use the baking method though even though MkIII says not to, works great now.
forget that, it dont work no more
Post by: munfis on January 16, 2008, 04:48:00 AM
Thanks all for the guidence. Im going to try to fix my mates one tomorrow
Post by: enkur on January 16, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
1. Fixed 3RLOD. no freezing or bad video.
Post by: lqz02 on January 16, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: repset on January 18, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
Fixed my second 360 using the dawgs method. I had changed my case and for some reason got over heating issues. So I did the fan shroud mod and that worked but my xbox was REALLY loud. So I finally got tired of it and went out today and got what I needed. I can't even hear the fans now. And the air coming out is nice and cool. So it worked FANTASTIC with no problems.
Post by: hazed69 on January 18, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
1 for me
Post by: metal_hed on January 19, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
Using Lawdawg0931's method.
Post by: bridarshy on January 22, 2008, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: slopneck on January 22, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: DanXbix on January 22, 2008, 08:54:00 PM
and a 80mm blue led fan on the outside blow air in near CPU and has worked perfect since. only got 3rol once and not since
Post by: simnorm on January 22, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
A friend of mine gave me his old Nov '95 Xbox360. It had the rrod with 0020 error code. This was the second time it had it and the warranty was void.
Thanks for the tutorial.
Post by: wolverinegeoff on January 23, 2008, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: simnorm on January 23, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
QUOTE(simnorm @ Jan 22 2008, 11:33 PM)
XBox fixed using MkIII.
A friend of mine gave me his old Nov '95 Xbox360. It had the rrod with 0020 error code. This was the second time it had it and the warranty was void.
Thanks for the tutorial.
Now my system freezes while playing, I couldn't find how to edit my post.
Scratch me off the success thread for now...
Post by: qjoe666 on January 25, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: slimdagreat on January 25, 2008, 10:51:00 PM
1 went back to rol in a week
Post by: mwg40 on January 26, 2008, 03:39:00 AM
MkIII method. Killed motherboard by using wrong tools and pushing too hard when removing the clamps (Do it carefully people!!) A friend fixed it, then i had to let it overheat for 2 mins. because it wouldn't work. Used old AS3 instead of AS5. It's great to see it working again
Thanx a lot for all the info & support
Post by: elChupacabra on January 26, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
In LAWDAWG0931 method I replaced the nylon washers with the RBJtech Wave lock washers on the GPU heat sink.
I used RBJtech MkIII method on the CPU.
I got the idea of lapping the GPU and CPU from another website but I cannot find it again. I apologize for not being able to give proper credit to the individual that came up with the idea. Here's a copy of that individuals link for the parts and there tips. Good Luck.
Lapping GPu and CPu Heat sinks
Here is the sanding kit I used for http://www.easypckits.com/products/premiumlk/
The sand paper goes to 10 microns.
TIP: Be sure to use a lot of water and sand a bevel edge around the heat sink to keep from tearing the fine sandpaper.
Use a piece of glass for a flat surface. Each sandpaper should take about 10mins before you move on to the next grade.
The GPU is much harder to get super polished. The copper CPU is very soft and it's much easier with a smaller surface area.
Post by: devildr1ver on January 27, 2008, 05:50:00 PM
Tried MKIII method fixed RROD but now the video is freezing 5 minutes when in game but can still hear the game (Call of Duty 4 online )
maybe i tightened the screws a little too tight. Any suggestions for a fix?
Post by: grebmohr on January 27, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
Hybrid fix with custom CNC spacer parts. MkIII w/heatsink shrouds.
Post by: mewtation on January 28, 2008, 06:36:00 AM
with regards to the washers ive got only some pieces ive got from a pack of screws for wooden pieces and i thought i should try improvising so i got em rubbery like ones.. is that gonna be ok in replacement with the nylon ones? and another thing ive quite anxious with is the type of thermal compound i have.. its really hard looking for arctic silver here.. but ive gotten some type of silver-based thermal paste with the brand "jetart"..would that suffice? thanks!
Post by: sowa99 on January 28, 2008, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: Gouki on January 28, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
method and so far it's working great!
Post by: Naz1977 on January 30, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
I had the 3rlod, used RBJtech's method, MK3 ... it didn't work at first. Loosened the screws, it still didn't work.
So disconnected the fan, let the board overheat. Then let it cool down and it is all fine now!
I have a working Xbox360 now!
Thanks very much everyone.
Post by: coozco on January 31, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: rxpc on January 31, 2008, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Naz1977 on February 01, 2008, 01:44:00 AM
I have also done all the other mods on this, ethernet activity light, fan shroud mod and the colling down mod.
Cheers
Post by: zSpudatoX on February 01, 2008, 06:41:00 PM
a couple weeks after i had RLOD again but tweaking the screws and baking for 2 mins helped until recently.
i had RLOD a couple days ago but now that is fixed by loosening screws and baking only the gpu using the llama method. i also dont get disc read errors on burnout anymore. hopefully this will last!
Thanks a lot the guide!
Post by: mianus on February 02, 2008, 01:22:00 AM
Post by: sutterman21 on February 02, 2008, 03:22:00 AM
doesnt make ne noise at all i didnt know for sure if it was suppose to or not but nothing happened... it does take a while for it to start blinking, unlike my other box that starts blinking right away...
Post by: Barradel on February 02, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
Error code 0102
Post by: BenJeremy on February 02, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
Gathered up the goodies to do the X-Clamp replacement mod, and went to work.
On initial power up, still had RRoD, ran a heat gun on high over the GPU and CPU heatsinks for a couple of minutes, also loosened up the bolts holding them down just a hair. Waited for it to cool...
and no RRoD.
Running now for a few days, with heavy use, both games and movies. A lot of Orange Box play. No RRoD, no freeze-ups.
QUOTE(sutterman21 @ Feb 2 2008, 05:22 AM)
Did not fix the 3RLOD...
doesnt make ne noise at all i didnt know for sure if it was suppose to or not but nothing happened... it does take a while for it to start blinking, unlike my other box that starts blinking right away...
Try backing off on the tightness of the bolts. Even with washers, they can sometimes get too tight and warp the motherboard.
...or it could be the opposite. Never torque the screws too much, but you want good contact between the heatsinks and the chips.
Post by: xboxstone on February 02, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
Put another one in the WIN column.
Thankyou for putting this thread together, Thankyou to Lawdawg0931, and Thankyou to xbox-scene for helping us hack the box!
Post by: DarkLabel on February 03, 2008, 02:10:00 PM
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
Infact, I think it works better then before! Awesome fix and appreciate the info for setting this up right!
And to think, I was going to pay like $60 for such an easy procedure o.0
Post by: sharpold on February 05, 2008, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Dravenm4 on February 07, 2008, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: Xceleron on February 07, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
Did the Lawdawg0931 Method. After a couple of bolt tightenings it booted up. Working ever since no problems, No freezing. Been working for the past month. Got parts at Home Depot don't know what the error code was.
Post by: buriedpast on February 07, 2008, 07:57:00 PM
1. Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues other than not being able to reassemble, time will tell how it works once other screws are located.
Post by: bubbles31 on February 07, 2008, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: Mobbringer on February 09, 2008, 01:26:00 AM
Completely fixed, you wouldn't believe how happy I was
Post by: bmxmon on February 10, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
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Post by: mduga on February 10, 2008, 06:33:00 PM
Put me down for a failure. This is going in the trash where it belongs. Time to get me a console that won't break down after 6 months.
Post by: Denyingjoker on February 10, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: mduga on February 10, 2008, 08:02:00 PM
Anyway, I removed the top layer of washers, because I noticed the heatsink wasn't sitting on the chips very tightly. After doing so, I got it to RROD again. I think I am gonna have to cut out the bottom of the metal case because the screws are pushing down against the case, probably flexing the motherboard. I would think that is not good. So you can delete my previous failure post. It looks like it's gonna work now, as soon as I get something to cut out the bottom of the case. Probably will use a dremel.
Post by: BenJeremy on February 10, 2008, 08:36:00 PM
QUOTE(mduga @ Feb 10 2008, 08:33 PM)
Did X-clamp fix and got rid of RROD, but now I got 2 blinking lights instead. I've tried loosening and tightening the screws and same everytime. It goes to 2 blinking lights instantly.
Put me down for a failure. This is going in the trash where it belongs. Time to get me a console that won't break down after 6 months.
Never trash it.... eBay it, with a clear explanation of your RRoD. Many will buy it for parts (You might want to explain you did an X-Clamp mod to it, as well).
Most get between $75 to $100.
Post by: lanzarlaluna on February 10, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
Error code 0102. Bought a red-ringed box off of eBay. Schweet.
Post by: froste on February 11, 2008, 02:38:00 AM
Fixed the 3RLOD on 3---360's. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
However i fixed the 3RLOD on 1 360 and the video still freezes occasionally.
Post by: chase73 on February 11, 2008, 08:42:00 AM
thanks for the help much appreciated
Post by: KeithBrooks on February 12, 2008, 10:03:00 PM
I just joined and am amazed at all the issues with this system. I tried the washer spacer trick and overheated the chips to get them to reseat yet I still get the 3RLoD. I followed the specs exactly and it is still failing. Is there another reason it could be failing other than overheating? I saw a forum about error codes, and was able to figure out its a 0022 error.
Is there anything else that can be done or is it toast? If so, any ideas on where I can get a motherboard?
Thanks for any help you can give,
Keith
Post by: HiddenSniper on February 12, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: chaos_ed on February 13, 2008, 03:45:00 AM
Was 0102 and now its running fine
It was a bargain RLOD from ebay and now its working fine and sports a 3.5mm audio out socket and a VGA port all thanks to some clever peeps on this forum
Post by: Toyfare on February 13, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
Got the Xbox off of eBay for only 80 bucks. Fixed it last night by using 3 steel washers underneath the board and nothing on the top. At first I tightened it WAY too much and I could visibly see the board warped. I loosed each bolt by 4 turns (pretty loose) and by God it worked! I had to send off my power supply with my warranty console so I can't do much further testing. Ordered a Talismoon fan last night and I'm gonna do a window/paint job. Thanks Xbox-Scene! Also, my first post!
Post by: HiddenSniper on February 13, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
QUOTE(HiddenSniper @ Feb 13 2008, 12:13 AM)
It has been 2-3 months after fix. It started to freeze a lot in the past 2-3 days, then RRoD this evening. I'm going to try the cook bit again... maybe some solder came loose? Let's hope so.
I've already fixed my second RRoD on this console. All that I did after getting the RRoD for the second time was loosen the screws on both heatsinks, run xbox until overheat shutdown (two lights), re-tighten screws while hot, cool for 5 minutes. Hope I get another 2-3+ months before this happens again...
Post by: HiddenSniper on February 14, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
I was thinking that the getting the http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/zz-360-xaof could solve my problem?
*when I say steps, I mean: loosen screws on heatsink, run xbox w/out fan until overheats, re-tighten screws and cool down. I don't remove the heatsinks.
Post by: racer9000 on February 15, 2008, 06:30:00 AM
Applied the X-clamp fix using a kit from Ebay (M5/nylon/metal washer thing). Used Arctic Silver 5, reassembled after clamping down pretty good on the bolts. Did the overheat/cooldown procedure using Llama's tutorial (fan cooling CPU only - GPU overheat).
After trying this, continued to error only THIS time it was error 0020 (unknown error). Ran a few more cycles of heat/cool but 0020 remained.
Finally, on a last ditch effort I tore the whole thing down, cleaned and reapplied the thermal grease, this time I covered the bottom of the chassis with electrical tape strips on the suspect that something was shorting out on the underside of the mainboard (12 volt access was already covered with tape pretty good).
Also, did not tighten the bolts down super tight, only mildly snug.
At the moment it works without any apparent freezing after a few hours of running a video off the HDD.
Thanks again to Xbox-Scene, Llama and Lawldog (and anyone else involved) for this fix.
Post by: Xceleron on February 15, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
A couple of cooling fans would be a great idea, I had a similar experience until I added extra cooling which I think is the solution to keeping your 360 on the up and up. I replaced the stock rear fans with some red Talismoon whispers, also I added the XCM add on fan in front of the CPU and to the right of the DVD drive and attached it to an old 9V cordless phone AC Adaptor, and then I replaced the thermal compound with good old Artic Sliver, and pulled a CPU fan from an old PC and attached it to the back of the CPU heat sink and it's powered by one of the USB ports.
Post by: mkelly on February 15, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: CaptainPippy on February 15, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: catatronix on February 15, 2008, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(HiddenSniper @ Feb 14 2008, 02:28 PM)
Ugh. So I just got the RRoD again about 1 hour into testing it to see if it was fixed. Guess it isn't. I went through the steps AGAIN and everything appeared to be fixed AGAIN. This time, I was able to play for a few hours with no problems. It wasn't until I put the case back together when I got the RRoD for the fourth time. So, I went through the steps AGAIN, put the case back together and found out that if I have a fan blowing on the side of the 360 while it's on, it doesn't get the RRoD. I'm thinking that it's overheating? Has anyone else had this problem?
I was thinking that the getting the http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/zz-360-xaof could solve my problem?
*when I say steps, I mean: loosen screws on heatsink, run xbox w/out fan until overheats, re-tighten screws and cool down. I don't remove the heatsinks.
I have been fixing all the RRoD, no problem things were looking great cause my turn around time is one tops. People love that, so they were flying in my home like dust all around the state, until i got this genius's xbox with a red face place, as though get RRoD wasn't enough red in the mix.
I fix his RRoD with E74 error work fine for about an hour, right be for RRoD, the Fan runs at a really high RPM and then boom...well need i say it..yep...the RRoD...
After Spending all the time doing the X-clamp RRoD return like it was mean to be, now I have to go back and do all these retracking...
However i did notice water mark on the 360 motherboard, which is stange...any idea what that could be from?
Thank You!
Arigato gozaimashita!
Post by: hazardshot99 on February 16, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
thnaks man
Post by: egrey on February 16, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
Used lawdawg0931's method.
GPU video issues, never actually had RED ring error. Color distortion at first and then no video at all. So glad it's working!
Post by: tracy2420 on February 17, 2008, 04:33:00 PM
Freaking Perfect right now!
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine!
Post by: Venom05 on February 18, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
also had the third red light flashing sometimes. E74 was displayed on screen then also didnt had that error ever since i uses the x clamp method. hopefully this error is now finally gone but im not sure yet
Post by: fev on February 18, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
.I'm in the UK and had a bit of trouble finding parts but got them from B&Q,
Used:
Machine bolts Pan head slot 5mm by 16mm (10 in a pack) £1.78 code AVF-853760 (didn't cut these and they fit ok)
Nylon washers 6mm (25 in a pack) £2.98 code AVF-856921
Flat steel washers 5mm (10 in a pack) £1.27 code AVF-852336
Got the heat sink paste from Maplin
couldn't get Artic silver 5, so used Antec Formula 5 it has the same properties as Artic silver 5
cost £8.99
took me some time to clean the old thermal paste off but got there in the end
I first tried using 3 steel washers and 1 nylon washer to space the motherboard off the casing, used 1 steel washer and 1 nylon washer to space the heatsinks off the motherboard but using this set up give me 2 red lights instead
so re-tried using 2 steel washers and 1 nylon washer for spacing off the casing and just the 1 nylon washer for spacing the heatsinks worked perfect
have been playing on the 360 for hours and its so far working ok
my advice to anyone who's thinking of having a go is do it if your consoles bust and out of warranty then you've nothing to lose.
i just find it amazing the microsoft put together a console with such a major flaw!
Post by: frozenballs on February 19, 2008, 05:50:00 PM
not sure what error code as i had a custom rf board but new it was the heatsinks as when i pressed down on the gpu one the console booted
used rbjtechs mk3 method as im in the uk so i used
Machine bolts Pan head slot 5mm by 16mm (10 in a pack) £1.78 code AVF-853760 (didn't cut these and they fit ok)
Nylon washers 6mm (25 in a pack) £2.98 code AVF-856921
Flat steel washers 5mm (10 in a pack) £1.27 code AVF-852336
Antec Formula 5
tim cleaner and lint free wipes
used 1 steel and 2 plastic washers for the spacer between the board and chassis and one plastic washer slightly sanded down for the xclamp spacer
working now without an issue only tested for 2 hours so far with THE CLUB no issues as of so far
i did have to do alot of unscrewing rescrewing etc before it started booting every tiime
thanks to those who provided the good info
Post by: xxrostronxx on February 20, 2008, 04:48:00 AM
cheers
Post by: DeTrend on February 20, 2008, 05:29:00 PM
First, I opened my RROD box and all of it's parts without a snag. Removed xclamps, cleaned off chips until they shined my nice ugly face back at me. I then applied thermal #5 and all items recommended (for the mod without having to drill case holes). Put the box back together and ran with it for about six months.
At about the six month mark it fries up again. I try pulling it apart and snugging everything up with no success this time. So basically I have an xbox360 mb with all its guts sitting around waiting for something to do with.
I guess some may have long term success some may not.
D
Post by: mankymole on February 21, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
thank you very very much, this thread has saved me lots of cash.
Post by: jalmir on February 21, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
Thanks guys!!!!! I bought an ebay 360 with 3RROD : 72$ with shipping and now it's working, do the math I saved a freakin loads of money!!!!
Post by: Reza-sony on February 23, 2008, 08:45:00 PM
I have done x-clamp replacement and let it overheats . after cool , there is problem .
plaese help me .
Problem Details : on COD4 - glitching on intro video , freezing in the game .
DMC4 - freezing on both .
GRAW2 - ok on intro videos , freezing in the game .
Post by: Jeneral on February 23, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
I was surprised to see how inadequate the MS supplied cooling is for the device. Those heatsinks heat up mighty fast. I was pretty pissed when I got the RRoD because I rarely use my 360. I had no errors or issues until 2 weeks ago when I hooked up a USB drive to watch a HD wmw file. The system never powered on. I reset it and I got the dreaded RRoD. I had used it to watch one hour of HD a week earlier and before that, I hadn't turned on the unit since the first week of January. The device was a year and a half old, I babied it and STILL I got the damn RRoD. I guess it's just a matter of time...
Post by: _GhOsT_ on February 23, 2008, 11:31:00 PM
fixed my wife's 360 (got it from a friend he said if i fix i can keep)
spent about $9 at lowes cause i got extra parts
Post by: jalmir on February 24, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Jeneral @ Feb 23 2008, 11:26 PM)
I used RBJtech's MKIII and it appears to have fixed the issue. I only played PGR4 for a half hour or so, but everything appears fine. Thanks to everyone involved for sharing their fixes.
I was surprised to see how inadequate the MS supplied cooling is for the device. Those heatsinks heat up mighty fast. I was pretty pissed when I got the RRoD because I rarely use my 360. I had no errors or issues until 2 weeks ago when I hooked up a USB drive to watch a HD wmw file. The system never powered on. I reset it and I got the dreaded RRoD. I had used it to watch one hour of HD a week earlier and before that, I hadn't turned on the unit since the first week of January. The device was a year and a half old, I babied it and STILL I got the damn RRoD. I guess it's just a matter of time...
yeah ... looks like the 3RROD is also related to the power supply ... after I fixed my 360 I had a 3RROD today, and then it smelled like burn plastic, the power supply was dying, I tried with a fiend's PS and the 360 was ok ...
Post by: eldahoolio on February 24, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
Results - box1 Played Orange Box for over 2 months, about 4 to 5 hours a night. X-clamp on both CPU/GPU
box2, fixed but continue to get E74, don't no if that one can be fixed.
box3, fixed and has been running for over 4 hours now, however, everytime I put a DVD or Music CD in , it starts playing and then about 2 to 3 mins, the box shut off, and I get 2 red lights flashing /
\
Could this be a DVD drive failure.
I really didn't pay attention to type of drive (Hitashi I believe, don't know the Rom ver)
Any help or can someone point me to the correct forum for any answers.
Post by: _GhOsT_ on February 25, 2008, 01:38:00 AM
QUOTE(eldahoolio @ Feb 24 2008, 06:10 PM)
Fixed 3ROD on 3 boxes so far.
Results - box1 Played Orange Box for over 2 months, about 4 to 5 hours a night. X-clamp on both CPU/GPU
box2, fixed but continue to get E74, don't no if that one can be fixed.
box3, fixed and has been running for over 4 hours now, however, everytime I put a DVD or Music CD in , it starts playing and then about 2 to 3 mins, the box shut off, and I get 2 red lights flashing /
\
Could this be a DVD drive failure.
I really didn't pay attention to type of drive (Hitashi I believe, don't know the Rom ver)
Any help or can someone point me to the correct forum for any answers.
your overheating. check your thermal paste and heat sink height (i had this problem when the gpu heatsink was 3 washers high)
Post by: jalmir on February 26, 2008, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: Cash Money on February 26, 2008, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: u_n_s97 on February 27, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
- Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues at all now, No freezes, works fine
Got an old successfully repaired one back though, it had been working perfectly for a half year.
Have to look at it what happened... regards, Stephen
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Post by: Slrpgeit on March 01, 2008, 01:43:00 PM
Hooray. Xbox had error 1020, or something like that. Didn't use any washers either. Does seem to make slightly more fan noise. But who cares, it works!
Post by: Reza-sony on March 01, 2008, 04:49:00 PM
My console has glitching on intro videos and it hangs during game .
I have done x-clamp replacement and let it overheats . after cool , there is problem .
plaese help me .
Problem Details : on COD4 - glitching on intro video , freezing in the game .
DMC4 - freezing on both .
GRAW2 - ok on intro videos , freezing in the game .
Post by: Nukkus on March 02, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: Intrepid01 on March 03, 2008, 08:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Reza-sony @ Mar 2 2008, 09:49 AM)
Please help me !!!!
My console has glitching on intro videos and it hangs during game .
I have done x-clamp replacement and let it overheats . after cool , there is problem .
plaese help me .
Problem Details : on COD4 - glitching on intro video , freezing in the game .
DMC4 - freezing on both .
GRAW2 - ok on intro videos , freezing in the game .
Had the same problem when playing a game it would freeze after about a minute. MKIII says freezing is due to poor cooling and to point a fan at the GPU heatsink to cool it to prove that it is due to heating, but no, it still froze, so I believe it is due to the GPU x-clamp replacement nuts not being tightened enough. So anyway I then tightened those nuts pretty hard (until it was difficult to tighten any further) and overheated the GPU using llama's method of placing a fan on the CPU but not the GPU (so that the CPU didn't heat and allowed the GPU to overheat). Something I haven't mentioned is that the xbox was red ring of death as soon as it booted up after tightening those bolts and was not even allowing me to get any further like before (when the bolts weren't as tight). After 15 minutes I turned it off for about 5 minutes, then turned it back online and it booted to dashboard. I then started media center and watched some TV I had recorded for about an hour, but that doesn't really push the GPU because I could watch TV previously when the bolts weren't as tight (games would freeze as mentioned). So then I started a game of Crackdown which I use to test for freezing and I just finished playing that for about an hour so all is looking good.
I have been reworking the x-clamp replacement "fix" that a modder in Melbourne did for me and said he has to deem my 360 as "unrepairable". He reconned some 360's are just too far gone. I knew there was hope and didn't think he tried hard enough. So I opened it up (since he gave me a 1 year warranty with the fix but after 4 months said he wouldn't work on it again! (I had sent it back to him 3 times and had enough of paying postage anyway)).
Yeah sorry this is getting long but I'll give my circumstance.
When I looked at his work I found that underneath the GPU the motherboard had a serious amount of flex (I took a photo). He used the shim method but only used 2 washers instead of the 3 that are recommended so there was a lot of stress on the GPU and mb I believe. I took his 'fix' apart and redid it with the recommended 3 washers but couldn't get the fix to be reliable enough. Final things I did was clean off the old compound (he even left MS old gunk on there along with some new gunk but I bet he didn't replace the thermal compound every time he took the heatsink off). Anyway I made the heatsink and GPU and CPU shiny and applied some arctic silver - I don't think there was enough on there previously, looked a little thin. After putting it all back together and tightening down it was RROD and then as I said I did the overheat GPU (llama idea) and now all is working about 2 hours in and I think this is now stable. So I don't think freezing is due in all cases to cooling, the main problem is that all the points of the GPU aren't connecting/cracked and needed to be tight and overheated. Due to the overheating method working for me I don't believe anyone that says overheating the GPU won't liquify the solder balls (if it doesn't liquify the solder it certainly does 'something' positive - perhaps it has warped my board rbj suggests? doesn't bother me, it works when nothing else has so it's good as a last resort, just make sure the bolts are tight but the board isn't flexing before overheating it). I might come back in a month or so and give an update, I just want to say I'm not impressed with how the modder handled my 360, basically thought it was too hard and couldn't be bothered with me and I'm lucky he didn't cause irreversible damage by putting so much pressure on the motherboard.
Note I have also placed 4mm rubbers between the metal case and the motherboard but I lost one of them because double sided tape doesn't stick too well (I got it out of the case) so it currently has 3x4mm high rubbers underneath 3 of the ram chips. Not sure if this will help or not but I figured it could do no hard to try something to stop the board from flexing downward.
Post by: watson6 on March 03, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
2nd error code e79 fixed
Post by: shawndezy115 on March 03, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
had no vid.
removed xclamp.
worked like a dream. junk of funky on sd. horizontal lines going up sceen. almost unoticable.
hd is perfect. no isues.
idk dont care. will be selling it. lol.
thanks guys
Post by: ISI K I T Z O on March 03, 2008, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: pogoloco on March 06, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
I dont know what i did wrong. I did it twice. Nothing happened. Then i did the towel trick
and nothing!!! the 3red lights are still THERE!!!
WHY??!!!
can anyone help me?
Post by: FenixFMJ on March 06, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
Let it heat up for 2 minutes and no change
Anyhow have any ideas? Anyone ever fixed 1020 before??
Post by: PostalDudeNL on March 07, 2008, 04:32:00 AM
Fixed 3 xboxes with the RJB method!
Post by: Judge on March 08, 2008, 01:51:00 AM
Core 360 - Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
Some finer notes.
Brought the parts from Australian Bunnings. Couldn't find nylon washers, so eventually brought a kit on ebay. Yeah I know, but it was fairly cheap and it arrived very quick. Later found out that Jaycar (electronic's shop) has nylon washers, so try them if an aussie.
Did the replacement on the GPU only. Did as stated by lawdawg0931. Tried the 2 minute cook, nothing much happened. Tried some graphic intensive games (COD4, Assassin's Creed) [console was still apart] and worked great. Left it for a few hours, had dinner. Put console back together, switched on and straight away - overheat 2 RLOD. WTF!!
Opened console again and tried tighting the X-Clamp bolts (slighty). I again tried the same games, but longer. Worked great. Left it for few hours again. Put console back together, switched on and .... Yay it worked. LOL.
It's been just over a month and it seems fine, no glitches or anything. So thanks to everyone involved.
QUOTE(FenixFMJ @ Mar 7 2008, 03:49 AM)
Did lawdawg's method - failed: went from 0020 to error code 1020 and 1 red light
Let it heat up for 2 minutes and no change
Anyhow have any ideas? Anyone ever fixed 1020 before??
Sorry FenixFMJ, I'm not much help at the moment, but you stated 1 red light. Is there an E** error on screen? I thought the hidden error codes were only for 3RLOD.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Post by: SpaceBuddha on March 08, 2008, 06:49:00 AM
1 Elite and 1 launch console.
Seems like they're working just fine now.
Thank you very much for the fix.
Post by: splatsters on March 08, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
i've done shit loads of them
and only ever had 1 come back
all done with the mrk 2 method
the first one i fixed is still runnin sweet now almost a year on never crashs , never glitchs works like a dream
and the one that did come back it was down to my error (only put 1 washer on one of the feet when all others had 2 washers which meant it was unevenly spread.
Ive had a handfull that have gave me problems afew times but tweak the nutz a little and they fire up
if anyone ever has a issue with the 3 red lights stayin on even after u have overheated it try untighting the nutz on the heat sink to your left ( the flat heatsink ) i had a box that would only go back to 3 red lights after i had loosened up the nutz on that heatsink.
Splatsers
Anyone need any info or help holla me at [email protected]
Post by: funboy6942 on March 08, 2008, 03:54:00 PM
First off what I have done was remove the oem thermal crap from everything, Including any extra stuff all over the gpu/cpu.
The in place of thermal paste I use automotive Dielectric thermal silicon compound. That stuff is good from -40c to 400c, its cheaper, and works great. I have one now on my desk where I did it to the gpu but not the cpu side and the cpu side is now MUCH hotter then the gpu side, did the fan mod, running dead or alive 4 for several hours.
After doing that I use a heat gun and heat the entire mobo, and gpu/cpu heat sinks to the point you cannot hold it, ANY part of the board in fact, I mean this sucker is H O T.
Then I put it back together. I have had it work without going further on one that has been going now for over 2 months after doing this to.
The other I been having hell with, it would run for about a hour, then give me the rrod again, and I stumbled into this thread seeing about the xmod.
After reading it I wondered why so many steps and parts? I did my own mod using the large fan screws you get with new case fans. They fit the holes of the gpu and cpu fine, and dont get in the way of the lower case/heatsink. So I have removed my gpu heat sink, and in place of the brace and stuff just screwed in my fan screws till it was flush with the heat sink,a nd sat on the gpu like it should, then proceeded with my heat gun to heat the sucker up.
Needless to say this xbox has now been going for 8 hours so far non stop without a single problem running the dead or alive game, this is the one I done the fan mod to, and only one side has the ac copper thermal compound and the gpu side the Dielectric stuff, and is cooler on the gpu side of the fans. I will be doing the gpu side soon, for I wanted to see which kept things cooler just for the hell of it on here. I ran out of it, and just got back this morning from the parts store with a new tube of the stuff. you can still use regular thermal paste, I just like this stuff better for it keeps stuff cooler, and is soooooo much cheaper.
So so far I have taken my $150 investment on 2 broken xbox 360's both with rrod, and have gotten them both to work now. one just replacing the oem thermal pad and using my heat gun, and the other doing that, plus the Jmod. I will report back if the 2nd continues to work after trying my idea of the xmod by just using 8 case fan screws only to hold the cpu and gpu heat sinks down, and my Dielectric Silicone thermal paste. Incase you must need to know, this stuff is what is used on cars for the ignition moduals because they get as hot, or hotter then a cpu, and again is a ton cheaper at $7 for a huge tube of the crap. my automotive experience paying off a bit, and been using this stuff for years on pc's.
Just thought I would kick in how I fixed 2 of them so far that others can try.
Post by: funboy6942 on March 08, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
The cpu hs shows 118f at the center and gpu is at only 106f, so its pretty much the same as the air coming out the back of the 360 taking the reading directly off the heat sinks. I am very happy with this.
And again Im using AC Copper paste on the cpu and the dielectric silicone stuff on the gpu. Will test the cpu side again after I do it up with the dielectric stuff.
If anyone else has this type of temp unit Id like to know what they are getting from the back, and right off their heat sinks if not too much trouble.
Post by: gymguy on March 08, 2008, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: Richdad on March 09, 2008, 05:18:00 PM
Also i removed only GPU clamp, CPU clamp I didnt even touched it. So error 0020 succesfully removed by X-clmap technique
Post by: Soporto on March 09, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
Details:
Have this 360 since launch, never failed till 3 days ago while playing guitar hero III for first time.. 3ROLD, error 0102. Nway, bought x-clamp kit from eBay (was to lazy to go lowes or homedepot) and it was missing a steel washer but I used one more nylon as a replacement.
Put some ceramic white "Stars Corp Heatsink Compound" on cleaned die (spent 1h shining both dies to mirror look.. hope this paste its good enough for the effort), cleaned heatsink and put some more there. Had to hammer the case where the screws sitted cuz motherboard would've bent if not.
Turned the box, no more 3RLOD. Did llama's baking method (cool CPU while heating 13mins GPU) just in case. So far it's been great, no more freezes. Will buy talismoon whisper max for more cooling and will always try to idle on dashboard for 5mins before turning off xbox.
Post by: haris2887 on March 10, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
first 3 with MK1, then the last 7 with mK3 RBJTECH...
all worked flawlessly..
one came back with rrod, i recalibrate the screws and has been runniong fine for the last 10 hours or so ....
Post by: xboxfixer10000 on March 10, 2008, 01:39:00 PM
Here's hoping it stays fixed.
Post by: randon_i_am on March 11, 2008, 02:29:00 AM
worked great. thanks for the tutorial
Post by: tester123 on March 11, 2008, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: gEELover on March 12, 2008, 01:20:00 PM
Anyhoos, followed the MK1 for all and 100% success. superb
Incidentally dont know if anyone follows the http://rbjtech.bulldoghome.com/pages/rbjtech_bulldoghome_com/XClamp.htm MK1 method still.. but I recently noticed that B&Q have revamped the part numbers for all parts, didnt take me long to find the replacements but the list may require an update.
Next time I go I'll get the numbers, meant to keep hold of them to let someone know but the other half must have cleaned up
cheers
Post by: Krudler on March 12, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
I had to remove one layer of the metal washers though to properly apply enough pressure on the gpu.
I didn't need to "bake" my x-box. Been working for about a month now.
Post by: raymondtang on March 15, 2008, 06:19:00 AM
Post by: benrobelen on March 15, 2008, 11:51:00 AM
also another problem not related to the fix or fans is my dvd drive fails to open. i removed the plastic xbox logo case from it and tryed diagnosing it further but..seems as if it get stuck. any one else experience this problem?
Post by: JT133 on March 15, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
Working for now, fingers crossed it'll stay working!! I replaced the thermal compound paste on it before and it lasted 2 weeks so this time I've given it the works..... Made in 2005 and never failed me before until around a month ago, there was no freezeing.. just the 3 red rings of death..
Installed washers - RRoD
Continued to "Bake" it - Working fine so far
Secondary Error Code: 0102
Post by: Mediocrates on March 15, 2008, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: sukhish on March 16, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
Didn't work me!
Post by: drec on March 17, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: Oily on March 17, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: xI OpTiC Ix on March 17, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
I used Lawdogs method, and RBJ's fan shroud method. I had to cut out a square in the bottom of the metal casing because the heads on my screws were too big. I didnt put any of the plastic casing back on at all in hopes of preventing the RROD from ever happening again.
Post by: lotspoop on March 18, 2008, 12:15:00 AM
1. Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
I used the ceramique stuff instead of arctic silver (same idea and company). I waited exactly two minutes but mine went straight to 2 lights. I never saw 3 red lights. I used the Lowe's part numbers. It's only been a couple days but I've been running it for very long periods of time. I'll report if it suddenly doesn't work. Thanks everyone!!!!
Post by: Tomobobo on March 18, 2008, 11:05:00 PM
However, many guides have you over heat the xbox by either removing the cooling fans or using a towel or whatever, but what ended up working best for me was placing the fans on top of the cpu to keep it cool while heating up the GPU, since that's what I was trying to fix anyway. Worked out swell after overheating the GPU.
Post by: wagonburner on March 19, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Used LAWDAWG method and lowes parts. 1 day of heavy gaming time will tell if its fixed, will soon be adding extra cooling to it.
Post by: JakeyC on March 20, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
i need some help, i am getting error 0102, i know the fault will be fixed with one of these methods as applying pressure onto the top of the xbox will allow it to boot. Now i have tried Lawdawgs method, nothing at all though, simple red lights 0102, i have only put on 3 washers however, the order being, heatsink/ 2 washers/ mobo/1 washer/machine screw. I cant understand the need for two washers on each side, however i may be wrong, i have also experimented with loosening the screws from slack to ultra tight. im stuck guys please help
Post by: Nexus6000 on March 20, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
1. Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine
Lawdawg method. Had some problem to get rid of the 0020 error but
found out that the screws could not be too tight to prevent the flexing of
the area of the chips (could see a bulb on the back of the board where the chip was).
Used only one iron washer each side of the motherboard. No filter/nylon washer.
Post by: avsky on March 21, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
used lawdawg's method with parts dvsone specified in the lawdawg thread. had to use 4 washers under the motherboard for the GPU, it was a little loose and would freeze and corrupt the graphics. running fine after 6 games and 30mins idle for around 3 hours.
Post by: Schmo on March 22, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
LawDawg method with Lowe's parts.
I did have to alter it a bit since my Lowes didn't have the phillips screws but it did have the screws with same specs but with hex heads. Those heads are a bit bigger so I only needed the nylon washer on the bottom and then a nylon and metal on the top. (Using both on the bottom made the motherboard sit too high and tightening the case screws flex the board. Issue was fixed before tightening down the case screws but then broke again after tightening them. Eliminating the bottom metal washer produced my completely successful results).
I have been playing Rainbow Six Vegas 2 for several hours with no problems. (It is the game that froze up 3 times before the box decided to go 3RLOD.
We'll see how long it lasts. For 5 bucks, anything is better than nothing.
Post by: chickenmon on March 22, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
Worked for me I did the 12 penny fix since november and it finally quit working so I did the xclamp replacement this time so far so good. I couldnt find all the parts I needed but improvised with 6 mm washer's and some slightly differant screws and my 360 been runnin about 4 hours now no issues. Thanks for the fix.
Post by: rob12211 on March 23, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
the one with 3rlod already had the x clamp fix
so i took the old thermal compound and put new
and it didnt work
any suggestions of interchanging parts
Post by: killernoob on March 23, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
I used lawdawgs method part #'s and all. Thanks for fix.
Post by: caritozeta on March 23, 2008, 11:03:00 PM
I made a combination of both techniques and it worked on the first time. Is this fix reliable over the time?
Post by: jadog26 on March 24, 2008, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: JakkData on March 24, 2008, 07:02:00 PM
I used RBJs method. I used arctic ceramique on the CPU / GPU. I also hacked the back of the case like on his site and did the shroud mod. put a heatsink on ram 1 and 2 and on the other chip that RBJ put one on. I also put thermal adhesive on the tops of the pads and let it dry so it was hard. added a little ceramique on the ram. on first bootup.. it went 3 red.. then 2 red... I powered it off quickly .. made some adjustments to the screws.. works great now!! thanks to everyone who helped in making or made this mod!!
Post by: n3r0 on March 24, 2008, 07:25:00 PM
It its working amazing now, even though it would randomly give me the three lights before, but i played it for a bit then boxed it up again. Im afraid to play it now that its fixed, in case i need to sell it to pay my credit card bill, haha.
Post by: ratone on March 24, 2008, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: B01070 on March 25, 2008, 06:44:00 AM
Used Llama method and works perfectly, no freezing.
3 days and more than 10 hours of gaming.
Thanks to all members providing valuable information.
Happy gaming...
Post by: j0shin on March 26, 2008, 04:18:00 AM
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
Finished Burnout Paradise and I'm halfway through Lost Odyssey, so quite a lot of gaming-time.
Post by: mrash on March 26, 2008, 06:05:00 AM
The manufaturing date of this box is 07/2006 - and the surface of the GPU heatsink was very bad - I had to sand it to a plain surface - togehther with MX-2 compound (instead of AS5) it now works without freezin`... so far!
The Issue of MS´s XBOX: They wants us to focus the global warming
Post by: FcukedBox on March 26, 2008, 06:19:00 AM
I slightly changed the Mod as I didn't have all the bits but for those who are on a budget or want a ghetto fix all you need is:
1 cd spindle case (the clear top bit)
8 x m6 bolts
and a hole punch
I punched out 8 holes around the edge of the spindle case then cut around the holes to make 8 plastic washers.
then asembled them in the the following order.
LLLLLLLLLL Heatsink
------- Washer
------- Washer
__________Pcb
OOOOO Bolt going all the way through
Hopefully my little diagram makes sense!
Post by: pushprajpradhan on March 26, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
now i did this X-Clamp mod and then successfully booted up 360 and now for over two hours, no RRoD yet. but the problem is that console doesn't detect my wireless controller, tried sync'ing them, but the lights on controller keeps flashing and the lights on console goes off after those syncing flashing pattern. 360 boots up when i press the guide button on controller and also the controller turns off when i shut the console viz. power button on the console. I didn't hear this type of problems from those who have done the X-Clamp mod, why me? is there any fix over it?
X-Clamp Mod for me = huge success
apart for the controller thing . u know 360 console without controller is kinda useless 
Post by: coolschool on March 26, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
Thnkz.
Post by: Daveychan on March 26, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
FYI: Japan hardware stores recognize and stock the M5 screws, and nylon washers were easy to find.
Thanks to all for their advice and information.
cheerz,
davey
Post by: Daveychan on March 27, 2008, 06:57:00 PM
Please add two: "1. Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues at all now, No freezes, works fine" to the running total!
(One for me, and one more for my friend's.)
Thanks much!
Post by: silamikanico on March 28, 2008, 05:45:00 AM
Used MK I. But I overheated the GPU until i got the 2 flashing lights (1,4), about 8-9 min. Also made the "Fan Shroud Coolong Mod" from RBJTech's homepage.
Thanks alot!
Post by: nymafioso on March 28, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: trevorv on March 28, 2008, 02:50:00 PM
I used Lawdawg's method. It was touch and go for a while, then I realized putting the heatsinks on in the correct orientation helps a lot.
Post by: Pippz on March 28, 2008, 11:04:00 PM
, only thing i had small enough was a ice pick .Half a bottle of red in me
and dont i skate that dam ice pick screaming across the mainboard then crashing into a capasitor to make it stop
. i was prying pretty hard , i screamed like a girl as i ran for a magnafine glass 
, got lucking being the underside. tossed it all back together and soon as i turned it on where ya do the burn in the rod was gone! 
, i had cranked those bitches down enough to have them shitty contacts connect again (still ran the O.H.) 
So worked great , thanks to the guys who came up with it!!
Post by: arash89 on March 29, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
Thank you Lawdawg for ure tutorial
If anybody in Sweden wants to know, i bought the screws and washers (brickor) in Bauhaus, they have it in Biltema to but they were sold out...
Post by: modslave on March 29, 2008, 09:40:00 PM
Very happy and recommended to all
Post by: ezbz on March 30, 2008, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: crusty1 on March 30, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: I Bac0n I on March 31, 2008, 03:36:00 AM
On 3 xbox's all with error code 0102, going 1 month strong.
Post by: hbombgosu on March 31, 2008, 09:09:00 PM
Forza2 freezes 7 minutes into the game with 2 red lights, however when i set the console upright it works fine.
the 2 red ring code is:
1
2 - flashing slow
2 - flashing very fast
3
anybody else have any advice for the 2 red lights? Thanks
Post by: hbombgosu on March 31, 2008, 09:52:00 PM
QUOTE(hbombgosu @ Apr 1 2008, 04:09 AM)
Used the X-clamp mod and somewhat got it working...
Forza2 freezes 7 minutes into the game with 2 red lights, however when i set the console upright it works fine.
the 2 red ring code is:
1
2 - flashing slow
2 - flashing very fast
3
anybody else have any advice for the 2 red lights? Thanks
My mistake, the error code is 0012.
any help is appreciated
Post by: jamey4422 on March 31, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
thanks!!!
Post by: DSS187 on April 01, 2008, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: wrighteous on April 01, 2008, 04:58:00 AM
I googled searched for my 360 problem and eventually made my way here.
Surprisingly the "heat gun" method worked. Only took 2 hours and i went slow.
No problems.
If you are having trouble finding exactly how to do the heat gun method use the link below.
http://www.360mods.net/News/article/sid=72.html
This website has saved my butt. Thanx to all who posted before!!!
Ya'll r da bomb!
Post by: Xboxhacks420 on April 01, 2008, 05:08:00 AM
3 weeks up and running with NO problems!!
THANKS SOO MUCH GUYS!!
This post has been edited by Xboxhacks420: Apr 1 2008, 12:08 PM
Post by: Josvadolla on April 01, 2008, 07:26:00 AM
I used to have error code 0020.
Workes like a sharm!
Hope it's a permanent fix.
Hey hbombgosu.
Your problem with two red lights blinking means your console is over heated.
Did you put on new termal paste? Artic silver 5 is recomended
Post by: Venom05 on April 02, 2008, 03:49:00 PM
works fine,
overheating wasnt even necesarry, the x-clamps where so loose i could pull them of without any effort,
Post by: doidgy on April 02, 2008, 03:54:00 PM
I would like to try and add a shim but cannot find a supplier, and advice?
UK resident...
Post by: shafty on February 03, 2020, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: skinlayers on April 03, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
That makes two (total) for me
Post by: ArchEnemy6 on April 03, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: realtreat2008 on April 04, 2008, 01:52:00 PM
I FIXED MY OWN XBOX AND ITS SAVED ME A FEW QUID.
Post by: Ricerider on April 04, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
went through this procedure.
Didn't work at first. had to add an extra fan by splitting the power to the origional fan.
Cut out the "X" shape on the bottom of the steel case and aimed the new fan there. Dun think i'll have any problems now.
Thanx all
Post by: xgodx on April 05, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
-used rbjtech's MkIII method
-Error Code 0102
___some notes____
in Canada so parts found
-5mm machine screw - home depot part#128590
-5mm washers - home depot part#128554
-nylon washers - Source(aka radio shack) part#6409005
-neXXtech Silicone-Base Heat Sink Compound -Source part#2761372- couldn't find any arctic/AS5 locally anywhere.
-Goo Gone(to remove the old thermal paste)
-Qtips/paper towel(to remove the old thermal paste)
used 3 washers(W), and 1 nylon(N) between the case© and under the motherboard(M), and 1 Nylon and 1 washer above the motherboard and below the heatsink(H). Height of washers between the motherboard and the Heatsink was a 1.78mm
H
W \ 1.78mm
N /
M
N \
W 3.88mm
W
W /
C
BIG THANKS to EVERYONE WHO HELPED WITH THIS with posts/video/guides!!!
This post has been edited by xgodx: Apr 6 2008, 05:14 AM
Post by: elocin671 on April 06, 2008, 01:33:00 AM
x's 3 should have 9 total now. thanks!
Post by: Strahdv on April 06, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
Had error code 0020. Used RBJTech's MkIII instructions with parts from Lowe's including a shim for the GPU heatsink. Cleaned off existing heatsink paste and applied artic silver 5. At first it booted fine to dash but when I tried to load a game I got two red lights. I loosened each GPU heatsink screw one quarter of a turn and it has been working fine for the past 6 hours.
Post by: Josvadolla on April 07, 2008, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 07, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: 99z24cavi on April 08, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
Error Code 0102 Fixed
Post by: garyd123 on April 09, 2008, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: bezzzerk on April 09, 2008, 03:15:00 AM
Followed Lawdawg method.. Couldnt find nylon washers, so improvised by padding the metal ones with plastic stickers and using only a single padded washer on each side.
Result: Fixed the 3LODs... played a quick round of SVR2007, no issues. Posting this within 30mins of the fix. Hope the console stays this way.
Post by: Jackal7 on April 09, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: aghatak on April 10, 2008, 01:38:00 AM
lawdawg method.
Post by: Nazza on April 10, 2008, 04:38:00 AM
Followed lawdogz method but slightly adjusted.
I Put two 5mm washers on one side and one on the other, as i couldnt find any nylon washers. Then bolted it with a 5x10mm screw.
Working fine now no problems at all.
Cheers guys. Im just hoping itll last untill GTA.
Post by: longboarder on April 10, 2008, 08:48:00 AM
So my warranty was already voided because my dvd drive failed about 4 months ago, and I repaired that myself. Just got the RROD, initially with error code 0102. I followed this procedure (although my parts were slighly different because I used what I had at the house) and then was still getting RROD, but the error code was now 0020. After closely inspecting how the heatsinks were contacting the processors, I noticed that the GPU heatsink was bowed slightly, indicating I had possibly tightened it down too much. I loosened the GPU screws, and it worked perfectly. No freezes or red lights yet.
Post by: FoneFreak on April 10, 2008, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: nitrojoe on April 10, 2008, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: phasee on April 12, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Used RBJtech's method. Still got the 3 red lights to begin with and error code 0002. Thought the motherboard was short circuiting but it turns out that when I loosened the screws on the CPU slightly the RRoD went away and the xbox booted up.
Everything seems to be running fine now.
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on April 14, 2008, 07:23:00 AM
please add for me another 34 consoles all perfectly 100% and 3 that still lock up from time to time =D
Post by: that360guy on April 15, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: immortallyinsane on April 16, 2008, 06:38:00 AM
Post by: mihaela1 on April 16, 2008, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: OGM C Ville TC on April 16, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: blinkibl on April 16, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
Ran mass effect (the game that it died on) FLAWLESSLY, not a single hint of any glitching.
YAY just in time for GTA
Post by: Rollo on April 17, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: j_s891 on April 18, 2008, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: elocin671 on April 18, 2008, 09:25:00 PM
P.S. sorry grim_d for posting this. But you told us on the first page exactly what to put in this thread.
Post by: bartje006 on April 20, 2008, 10:05:00 AM
Error Code before X-Clamp Replacement: 0020.
Post by: mlabrams on April 20, 2008, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: Stylez4o1 on April 23, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Used lawdawg method.....error code 0020
Post by: Bennylava on April 24, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
but now my xbox starts and it gives me 3 lights
the van gets to top speed and then shuts down
and i get to see 2 red lights flashing and the van
isnt running any more at that point
so liek wtf?
Post by: P34ch on April 24, 2008, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: Magusu on April 26, 2008, 07:23:00 PM
using lawdawg's technique
Post by: nickj524 on April 27, 2008, 04:11:00 PM
Then someone told me that the cpu and the heat sink weren't getting proper contact so I took off a washer and it froze twice now back to 3 RLOD.
Post by: spinemangler on April 27, 2008, 06:33:00 PM
I used the parts list for Lowes, and the parts were perfect and easy to find, so thanks goes to the peeps who put in the time to list the part numbers.
Anyway, I cannot be more impressed by this method, as it was easy to do, and cost like $5. Thanks LawDawg!
EDIT: Original Error code was 0102.
Post by: silk509 on April 27, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: TexT12 on April 28, 2008, 01:17:00 AM
Fixed my error code 0020 box! RBJTech's MK III Method Much
!Did both the cpu and the gpu (added a shim,) on the first boot my code 0020 turned into a 0102.
The tutorial i was using said not to overheat the GPU but no matter how many times I rebooted it it was still
0102. So I overheated the GPU with the method from llamma.com for 10 min, let it cool for 15 and bingo!
Dashboard goodness
Its been going for 3 hours now 1 on dash, 1 sitting at GOW menu, and 1 playing GOW with no issues.
the exaust seems hotter then before but that could be just better cooling from the AS5 right?
I'll edit this post if it displays any probs, cheers.
Post by: Xemnarth on April 28, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
Why do I have to be with the unluckiest here... oh boy... now I'm not only getting 3RROD but 1RROD also... what am I supposed to do? Any help is highly appreciated.
Post by: blackandblue on April 29, 2008, 01:15:00 AM
Determined to have it working again before gta4, I used RBJtechs method, and spent all day with one of the worst hangovers ever and a fumingly angry mood working on it.
Had to use a shim on the gpu and three-penny tricks under the ram sinks, but its working now and ive been playing on it for about 15+ hours, almost constantly.
Add me to the success list!
Thanks for helping everyone out!
Post by: codename_decoy on April 29, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
Post by: Smiling Cat on April 29, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
Took it apart and put new thermal AS5 compound on th GPU and bent the X-clamp for added pressure. That worked for around an hour while still dissembled. After that it went to 3ROD error 0102.
After that I took both heatsinks off and used Lawdawg0931's method with some minor differences.
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine.
Ran the start screen from Crackdown for an hour. Played for another hour. Reassembled the console, put the hard drive back on and played the first level of Halo3. After that I played through the first level from RV2. Not a single issue.
Going to pick up GTAIV today and put it to the test with a long gaming session.
Post by: magicmack on April 29, 2008, 11:11:00 PM
Lawdawg's Mathod
I push power and the xbox logo comes up, then the fans start going really crazy fast them in stops and gives me the two red lights. Anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? Should I try the towel now, because when I did the step to overheat the nit to resolder the joints it only took 5 seconds for the red lights to come on. Any ideas?
Thanks
Post by: magicmack on April 30, 2008, 04:09:00 PM
So far. using Lawdawg's Mathod.
In the last post I had done the method but that just gave me the two red lights. So I was contemplating using the towel method but I decided not to. Instead I decided to redo it again but this time not use the metal washer. This seemed to do the trick. It all works now and I have had no problems so far. If anyone else ever has this problem with the two lights this is the way to fix it.
Thanks Everyone for all the help in this forum.
Post by: Fallnshinjin on April 30, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
thanks.
P.S. Virgin Post woot, you guys rock! thank you!
Post by: malicious1 on April 30, 2008, 11:32:00 PM
0103, 0102, 0022
LAWDAWG method
working perfectly since GTA IVs midnight release
. . .will edit post if any failures occur
, stupid /\/\icro$oft Post by: nae1701 on May 01, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
i was never all that confident that the washers i had used for the motherboard standoff spacing where the right hieght, it looked ok but still. it still rod'd so as in the tutorial i thought go back and try again from scratch. Upon stripping the box down i discovered the washers on the topside of the board for the gpu gave too big a space even though i measured them on the board by eye with a magnifying glass and they looked ok.
So now i am going to try lawdawg's method because as i have stated im not confident about the standoff spacing's my washers are giving and his method doesnt rely on this factor. wish me luck
i'll add my results later when i have done it again
Post by: shawnvd on May 02, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
had mine fixed for a couple months, haven't had a single issue at all, although the method i used was slightly different
Post by: Toniofalcon on May 03, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: bigdiiddy on May 04, 2008, 02:12:00 AM
this console was sold @ launch it had the piece of aluminum foil same thing people were reporting from the get go it is hard to believe this console made it this long
Post by: crosseye on May 05, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
Both are working great! Good work to all and keep it up.
Post by: fueledbysound on May 05, 2008, 04:04:00 PM
used lawdawg's
didn't need to overheat like it says for the last step. also cut out the metal mesh behind the fans and added extra cooling.
been good for a few weeks now playing Halo 3 etc...
Post by: AlexNapo on May 05, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
Used the llamma kit and followed their step by step guide carefully.
Really cool to get back to gaming now !
Thanks all !
Long life xbox-scene !
Post by: mayofmay on May 06, 2008, 12:10:00 AM
Used lawdawg's method
(Note: Joined forum just to post results)
Post by: Psychoraven102 on May 06, 2008, 01:04:00 AM
used lawdawg's
My 360 would run for a few minutes if that then freeze! I was getting so frustrated. I work in a computer store repairing Laptops the majority of the time so I didn't figure this would be that bad. Truth be told it was not bad at all and THIS REALLY WORKS!!!
Thanks a ton!
Post by: Doppelganger810 on May 08, 2008, 12:01:00 PM
I waited a while until I could find something to make a shim out of, and re-applied it with the Llama bake method.
Works flawlessly now after a month with some new Talismoon fans in place of the stock ones.
Post by: GeekCarl on May 08, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
This was a launch console that had been in a retail environment for 6 months prior to my acquiring it due to a store closing, so it had been on 24 hours a day for 6 months. It ran fine up until a few weeks ago. Then the console went down the week before GTA IV was released.
It took me about 3 hours, total, using tools I already have. I only used 2 washers underneath the board instead of 3. It's been working fine, averaging 4 - 8 hours of play per day since then. (Which is about what it was getting prior to crashing - this was a non-returnable console, so I had to fix it myself.)
Using some kind of adhesive cleaner on the chips is the only way to go. It was SO gunked up in there I'm amazed the thing lasted this long.
Llama method, primarily, X clamp replacement.
(Same as May, just joined to post results.)
Post by: swishaha on May 08, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: Chimp5000 on May 09, 2008, 11:58:00 AM
At first I figured, "This is stupid, it isn't going to work." But at the cost of about $5 for the parts and $10 for the Arctic Silver, I had nothing to lose except $15.
In the end my 360 works again. This is amazing.
I used Lawdawg's Method.
Post by: Draekz on May 09, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
The biggest thing I found with this fix is that it is really revealing the XBOX 360's design flaws. The motherboard warp and the GPU's seating into its socket is seriously compromized by the slightest movements.
Once you can get the xbox to boot, getting it to NOT overheat is tough. You have to adjust the screws as the XBOX 360 is on and playing a videogame. I used 2 stools to sit the xbox motherboard with everything plugged in, and adjusted the screws and listened for the fans to not run so damn fast. Once it sounded normal and silent, i left the screws the way they were and repeated the same thing with the case screws. Adding the black screws for the CPU xclamp (which i did not remove) caused the GPU to come out of its socket, and gave immediate overheating. Just using the silver screws slowly one at a time while the xbox was running allowed me to make sure i was not stressing the board.
Now everything works great after everything is put back together, the fans are running slowly and i have been able to play many games for hours.
NOW the other xbox? it cannot boot, it will not boot, I've repeated the same procedure, and i have tried to cook it for 4 minutes, while keeping the CPU nice and cool. It does not work. The towel trick was tried by my friend several times with this unit, while the other had only been done once with a towel for 10 minutes. TOWEL TRICK IS BAD, DO NOT USE IT!
Post by: MERGATROYDER on May 11, 2008, 04:29:00 AM
I replaced my stock fans with the Talismoon Whisper Max fans and they are amazing (not using the l.e.d option). Since my 360 was an attempted fix by the xbox repair team if you can even call them that after the way mine came back multiple times.
This last time it came back it had new fans/new heatsink extending from GPU/new dvd drive. After taking close inspection of the mainboard with everything off i was looking at photos online of the different boards and it looks like they replaced my board with an Elite board but without hdmi support which is very strange to me.
I was out a system from Nov. 14th 2007 to April 9th 2008. VERY EFFING SAD. (Got new wireless controller and PGR3...."ALREADY OWNED IT!!!")
My console was in working condition till the other day - May 6th, 2008 - Until I got the 3RLOD AGAIN. So I did my investigating and found that so many people have sent in there consoles and they come back with problems.
If anyone is looking at any other internal parts i would strongly recommend the whisper max fans just because they move so much air in the system and keep everything ok.
I have yet to come across a problem with mine since i did the mock-up on the 7th which took me about an hour. i did the overheating but waited 15 minutes and then turned off the console and then back on after waiting 45 minutes. i have been timing the amount of time my console is on idle and running dvd's/games and it has ran for almost 31 hours total with 3 hours of idle dashboard time. Played gta for about 11 hrs straight.
As a side note. i have noticed that things load quicker. things being like dashboard applications like the side blade and applying themes.
Post by: anorexic on May 11, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
X Clamp replacement did not help at all. Console started working after using pennies method to fix it.
Post by: jrw on May 25, 2008, 06:49:00 PM
Thanks a million. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by jrw: May 26 2008, 01:50 AM
Post by: deadrising2day on May 26, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
QUOTE(deadrising2day @ May 23 2008, 04:49 AM)
"Error E74" fixed with single x-clamp fix on the GPU
Well....it came back. I tightened the screws and it seems to work again. Lets hope it's permanant this time
Post by: jayken302 on May 28, 2008, 11:45:00 PM
Saved me time and money! I had error code 020, I did the X-Clamp fix and heat sink cooling mod all in one. It worked on the first try!
Thanks a million!
Post by: CamaroGuy on May 29, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Post by: spunkyvision on September 25, 2008, 02:40:00 PM
I am going to to do it again over the weekend.
Post by: Rickets06 on September 25, 2008, 11:56:00 PM
0102 no visible damage, (bad pressure, poor cooling)
So I've fixed two now!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) XS RRROOOOOOOOOCCCCCKKKKKSSSSS!!!!!!!!
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Post by: gephorce on September 26, 2008, 12:52:00 PM
Falcon console purchased less than a year ago and already RRoD - Installed a kit in this one as well and it too works perfectly. I ran this one for about a minute before I stopped the overheating process and it works.
Both consoles play homebrew and store bought games flawlessly (besides the fact the laser is dying on the Xenon - MS28). Both kits installed in the consoles were bought at llamma (nuts & bolts). Bought 4 kits and cost me $25. Both consoles were turned off as soon as they showed they were in working condition & can play games; HB or store bought. As of now, they still haven't been on for more than 5-10 minutes so lets hope they last. I would recommend this fix to anyone who has had a RRoD problem (and lost their warranty). BTW, my falcon died while just sitting there turned on (360 dashboard) and a game wasn't even in the console.
+2 to the list (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: spunkyvision on September 26, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(spunkyvision @ Sep 25 2008, 09:40 PM)
I had the RROD about 1 1/2 yrs ago on my launch console, I did the Lawdawg fix and was set until last night. Now having the same problem.
I am going to to do it again over the weekend.
OK. did it last night. After installing it I turned it on and imediately got 3 lights, i was kind of pissed but I shut it off, installed the hard drive and it worked fine. I played 20 min game of NHL09. turned it off put the case back together and played Hockey for another hr then left it on for a total of 3 hours and it seems to be ok. I am not quite sold because I don't know why it 3RLOD. Like I said I fixed the original 3RLOD 1/2 yrs ago and it was running fine since then.
Post by: freakk123 on September 26, 2008, 03:24:00 PM
1. Fixed the 3RLOD, No issues at all now, No freezes, works fine
Woohoo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: wangshu20 on September 27, 2008, 10:18:00 PM
Worked fine for a month then crapped out again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Did x-clamp fix again. Fingers crossed it gonna last a bit longer.
Post by: Chieflongpipe on September 29, 2008, 11:12:00 AM
Fixed my console about the beginning of last week. Worked fine other than a couple of overheating shutoffs which I tweaked into submission. Played a few multi hour sessions of COD4 over the next few days and then one of the next times I powered on the unit I got the original 3 lights back. I then gave the screws a small turn to tighten and it was enough to get it back on. This persisted for the next few days. Either had to tighten or loosen to get it to work nearly every time I wanted to play, no big deal but kinda annoying... just a small turn of the driver. Then this last weekend just turning the screws didn't seem to work anymore. What to do, what to do??? So I removed the fan shroud and placed the fans over the one heatsink and atop the diskdrive so the processor under the disc drive could overheat. Thought maybe baking it again would help and it did. After roughly 10 minutes of baking and 30 minutes of cooling down it powered on with no problems after plugging it back in. That was Saturday night. Played it last night no problems. Turned it on this morning and BOOM... 3 lights...WTF??
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
This post has been edited by Chieflongpipe: Sep 29 2008, 06:19 PM
Post by: scruffyone on September 29, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: NjO on October 02, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Rickets06 on October 03, 2008, 01:37:00 AM
error 0020, working since an hour ago, that makes 3 for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Question: Is there a serial number on mainboards?
Post by: Rickets06 on October 03, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
Question: Why can I only edit my post sometimes and not all the time?
Post by: alef on October 03, 2008, 04:52:00 PM
Fixed the 3RLOD. No issues at all now, no freezing, works fine although it's only been running for an hour.
I had error code 0020. I had to use only nylon washer and no metal one on 2 screws of the GPU radiator because they were slightly oversized.
Edit:
PS. I had to bake it for 5 mins [my room is cold as fuck] and then I had a green lights instead of red ones;)
This post has been edited by alef: Oct 3 2008, 11:59 PM
Post by: Taureon on February 03, 2020, 02:00:00 PM
Used: Improved X-clamp Replacement (written by Wilhelm_I)
Finally managed too get the right screws and nylon washers and fixed my launch 360, I'm freakin' grateful for the people that first discovered this fix and then the people who wrote guides.
Thank you alot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by Taureon: Yesterday, 10:01 PM
Post by: turfster on February 03, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
I sent this console into ms and they wouldn't fix it because I wasn't the original owner. It also got damaged on return shipping, so I had to replace the case and rf board. I'm out $35 but.......
All in all, I'm just happy it's working.
Post by: Rickets06 on February 03, 2020, 11:34:00 PM
0102
Post by: IP37 on November 29, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
error code 0020
used the youtube "penny" fix with 4 stacks of 3 pennies.. at first it was worse... fans would just start to spin, then it would quit and error out
played around with it a little.. loosened the screws on the x clamps and actually removed one screw. works fine now. if i put that screw back in the x clamp it stops working again
Post by: motion-mx on November 29, 2008, 11:33:00 AM
replaced x clamps,turned on and worked fine..built up and lasted an hour...
so I heat gunned it and built it back up,switched on and it worked...built it up and it stopped working again...
so I have heat gunned it again but I can't get rid of the ROD,I have left it on for 20 mins showing 3 re dlights and the console never over heats,even with the fan's un plugged?
any help?
Ben
Post by: 11191 on November 30, 2008, 11:48:00 PM
Had to work through a short-circuit, but its all good now.
Post by: Tommy Tekkno on December 01, 2008, 12:26:00 AM
so im at all of your mercy. help me fix my xbox please??
Post by: sunnylane on December 03, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
lawdog's method with baking procedure