Post by: Pheidias on December 26, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: gottastopdrinkin on December 26, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Post by: evilgizmo on December 26, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: dinzy on December 26, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(evilgizmo @ Dec 26 2006, 08:03 PM) 
if it doesnt drop the price who cares?
Don't forget that this will be model 1.1 or whatever so those who are curious want to see what's changed.
Post by: ProfDrMorph on December 26, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
There are a couple of possible things MS COULD do resulting from the reduced heat/power need:
- make the console more silent by using a different cooling solution that isn't as efficient but less loud (this could possibly reduce the weigh of the console, too, by using smaller heatsinks)
- maybe they could build the power brick into the console itself (something which I would really like to see because I often take my console to a friend's place
)- or they could make the console smaller
And even if MS changes nothing there should be less heat problems for everybody with the new consoles (whenver they'll hit the market ^^) and lower power bills to pay.
Post by: bucko on December 26, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
Also why don't they try and make a slim 360, that would entice me so much
Post by: PerfectModifications on December 26, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: No.1 G on December 26, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: Druggedpolak on December 26, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Would help keep things muchhhh cooler in long gaming sessions.
They should just fix the bad solder joints/ whatever because thats the main reason for console deaths.
Post by: Zlatan on December 26, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: DuggyUK on December 26, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: wirelessdeo on December 26, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Zlatan @ Dec 26 2006, 02:41 PM)
What a luck I decided not to wait.
I'm also glad i didn't decide to wait.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 26, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: vladimpaler on December 26, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: vapidentity on December 26, 2006, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(vladimpaler @ Dec 26 2006, 11:56 PM)
Oh snap, I was going to buy a 360 this January. Don't think I could wait to mid 2005... Is it really that big of a difference?
I don't think you could either, considering that it's almost 2 yrs past "2005."
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 26, 2006, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(DuggyUK @ Dec 27 2006, 09:49 AM)
Having a console that's quiet is noticeable. All you need to do is try a "slow" firmware to see how much that helps. Also if its cheaper to make means it can sell for less too, I think people would notice that too :-D
m$ have stated that they wont drop the price, so that is a mute point...
and the power and heat reduction is neglible. it has been sensationalised soo much it is almost funny. you will not notice any difference.
m$ will only go to this becasue it will be cheaper, but it will not be passed on straight away. m$ is a company after all
Post by: mygameswirelesscom on December 26, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
or bad ?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 26, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
QUOTE(mygameswirelesscom @ Dec 27 2006, 11:08 AM)
it is good 4 us?
or bad ?
overall, its good for everybody. but other then the price (when we do get a price drop), you wont be able to tell.
Post by: CollinstheClown on December 26, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: gaming fanboy on December 26, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: Teamxbox on December 26, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
QUOTE(mygameswirelesscom @ Dec 26 2006, 06:08 PM)
it is good 4 us?
or bad ?
Ms will probably take the time to prevent the firmware-hack with a cpu check on v1.1 x360 consoles.
This is the question I'm interested in knowing more about.
Thanks,
Jason @ Teamxbox
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on December 27, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Post by: elmo_sni on December 27, 2006, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(madascanbe @ Dec 26 2006, 05:09 PM)
Iv read in some places ATI/AMD who ever they are now are working on 45nm gfx chip maybe M$ are waiting for somthing like that to come out and sort there overheating problem in one go!
i was reading of this too actually and it is projected to some time on 07 but you got to it first ;-)
Post by: Elemino on December 27, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Dec 26 2006, 04:45 PM)
too bad this change will make bugger-all difference to anyone. yeah it will use less power and be a bit cooler, but it will not be by any difference that any one can tell. its a bit of a non-event really
Post by: ProfDrMorph on December 27, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
I personally wouldn't wait for the new CPUs to show up in stores though (I already own an Xbox360 since a month after launch anyway
). There are some really good games to enjoy. And the current version does have it's problems but it's not a "bad" product! I think about upgrading to a new Xbox360 with 65nm CPU (and hopefully GPU ^^) and afterwards sell my old console. But I wait and see what effect the new CPUs will really have. After all it's still up to MS how many things they want to change and in what ways they want to change them.
Post by: bigjimmy on December 27, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE
So its just a CPU change? If so, how hard will it be to upgrade the old CPU by ourseleves like on a regular PC?
Erm pretty damn hard lol unless you find it easy to solder to something like 400 tiny pins underneath a chip.....They arent socketed like normal PC CPUs so you cant upgrade or change them.
What should happen is that the GPU should be made using the 65nm process.....because most of the origional overheating problems were due to the GPU overheating. Maybe in the v1.1 M$ could put a bettter heat sink on the GPU.
Post by: Elemino on December 28, 2006, 12:01:00 AM
QUOTE(bigjimmy @ Dec 27 2006, 02:33 PM)
Erm pretty damn hard lol unless you find it easy to solder to something like 400 tiny pins underneath a chip.....
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on December 28, 2006, 12:20:00 AM
The GPU has like 12 hundred something pins
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on December 28, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(MDA @ Dec 28 2006, 09:48 AM)
I just counted them and the CPU has 495 and the GPU is 680.
o rly?
GPU:
http://www.freepler....x360/gpu444.jpg
CPU:
http://www.freepler....x360/cpu333.jpg
Post by: MDA on December 29, 2006, 06:32:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 29, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Elemino @ Dec 28 2006, 01:41 AM)
I'm not sure how many of you follow PC Processors. My last processor was an AMD 2500+ Barton. When they went to the 90nm technology in my newest 64bit processor the temp difference was huge. The Barton ran consistantly near 140º F and the 90nm 64bit 3200+ runs around 104º. Now imagine the Xbox's current 90nm being reduced to almost half. That's a huge difference to come. This will be one of the best things to happen to the 360 when it comes.
umm... thats comparing two DIFFERENT processors. not the same processor made smaller.
its like trying to compare a celeron and a p4....