Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 03, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
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Post by: DoTsTeR on November 03, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
Doesn't Dolby Digital mean all sorts of things... 2channel, ac3, 5.1,6.1,7.1 etc etc
At compressed or uncompressed levels...
I am pretty sure HD DVD is a standard that any player must meet or it can't be called HD-DVD and the audio is a part of that standard just as much as the video is.
Lack of HDMI output with this solution is an issue though...
This post has been edited by DoTsTeR: Nov 4 2006, 06:29 AM
Post by: starwars22 on November 03, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
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Post by: lmaolmao on November 03, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
QUOTE(DoTsTeR @ Nov 4 2006, 06:21 AM) 
I am pretty sure HD DVD is a standard that any player must meet or it can't be called HD-DVD and the audio is a part of that standard just as much as the video is.
Lack of HDMI output with this solution is an issue though...
i think by a standard it has to cope with certain formats. but doesn't have to output them. for example i've seen DTS 'capable' all-in-one systems that down convert to 48khz. but it still has the DTS logo on.
it's like the HDReady logo, the screen can be any resolution (such as samsungs slim fit crt) but still carry the logo as long as it can display the pictures and deal with HDCP.
i think the xbox certifies it by being able to cope with all these streams, but as the xbox has a certain sound chip (i assume it has a hardware DD encoder, but i may be wrong), it has to output that way.
the dolby digital output has been hushed over quite abit. this guy is trying to make it sound like its a benefit to do it this way.
overall, i think this 'add-on' is pretty poor, its a remarkable job to have done it, and fit it in with the xbox OS, but its definitely a compromise.
Post by: epsilon72 on November 03, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
I think I'll pass....
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 03, 2006, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: Romps on November 03, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 4 2006, 06:47 AM)
It is not the fans that make the loud noise in the 360, but the dvd drive. And because obviously the dvd drive will not be running while using the HD-DVD there will be little noise.
Id say in game the fans sound out do my dvd drive sound by double the db's
So ill be thinking twice b4 getting this addon maybe wait for the new designed 360 with better cpu core and hopefully needs less cooling and with hope have built in hd-dvd allthough they say they not gona
I can see they doing one b4 long
When the community starts asking for it..
Post by: Caldor on November 04, 2006, 12:58:00 AM
Without 8 channel analog audio out, or HDMI 1.3 Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD, DTS-HD wont work. There isnt enough bandiwdth in the lgeacy sfdif connection method.
And then, the problem of not using the industry standard interface for 1080P video - hdmi. VEry few 1080P displays support 1080P inputs via vga and component.
Worse, because MS nerfed the vga 1080P in the fall update some of the few 1080P displays that will actually support 1080P dont, because MS stuffed up the standards compliance and the frequency of the refresh isnt right for all computer monitors and tv displays.
And then there is the threat of ICT
All of this would not have happened if HDMI was included
Post by: DoTsTeR on November 04, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Romps @ Nov 4 2006, 01:56 AM)
Id say in game the fans sound out do my dvd drive sound by double the db's
I agree... my dvd drive doesn't make much noise.. its a hitachi.. dont know if that is why
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on November 04, 2006, 01:33:00 AM
Post by: deltop on November 04, 2006, 03:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Neoistheone2000 @ Nov 4 2006, 10:40 AM) 
well dolby digital vs DTS i would chose DTS as the audio channels are more clear (to me) so when i select DTS in the menues i beter damn well see the DTS light on my Reciver ON like i did on the original xbox witch had the option for DTS in the dash bord
Agreed, I understand why they are re-encoding the new codecs on the fly and outputting them as DD, ie they have no choice. But I can't see any reason as to why they aren't outputting standard DTS tracks AS DTS! People aren't going to be happy if that's the case.
EDIT: Actually I've just realised he's probably talking about the NEW DTS codecs and not standard DTS doh! Obviously these will have to re-encoded since there is no way to output either.
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Post by: michaelboord on November 04, 2006, 04:25:00 AM
They should just have put in an HDMI connection on the Xbox.
Most people with HDTV LCD TV's have problems with connecting their
xbox 360 now!
Post by: Pheidias on November 04, 2006, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: tutu on November 04, 2006, 06:15:00 AM
There is a lack of HDMI, the player is potentially noisy - we all know this. There is no true Dolby TrueHD support either. But you also have to consider the price, which is a lot cheaper than a standalone HD-DVD player (if you already have a 360!).
For me it makes sense to pick it up, otherwise I would probably wait until dual format players/recorders are available in 1 - 2 years. This add-on makes sense as a interim product for me.
Post by: Austin7687 on November 04, 2006, 06:45:00 AM
QUOTE(lmaolmao @ Nov 4 2006, 01:10 AM)
it's like the HDReady logo, the screen can be any resolution (such as samsungs slim fit crt) but still carry the logo as long as it can display the pictures and deal with HDCP.
Well, I don't know where you get your info, but my Samsung slimfit is native 1080i with a resolution of 1920x1080. You may be thinking of the slimfit line of SDTV (Standard Digital) which have an 800x600 resolution.
I do agree, however, that if DTS is not included, MS has pretty much crippled what could have been a great product.
Post by: BasicAir on November 04, 2006, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE(bobbyblaze @ Nov 4 2006, 06:03 AM)
Is that all this thing outputs? Vanilla Dolby Digital? It may be a HD DVD player but theres absolutely nothing high definition about the sound output, is there? Chalk up a MAJOR reason to get a stand alone player with 5.1 analogue outs if necessary. If I didn't already have a 360 then true 24bit 96khz sound would be a big reason to get a PS3 with HDMI 1.3.
I was told PS3 only had HDMI 1.1
And, btw, a lot of consumers (like me) will opt to keep their high quality $2,000+ DD5.1/DTS setup rather than forking over $750+ for a low quality 7.1 setup. My receiver alone still sells for $600+.
Just like with people being extremely slow to adopt 1080P native displays by upgrading from their 720P/1080i ones, they will also be extremely slow in going from 5 to 7 channels. No doubt.
Post by: XanTium on November 04, 2006, 07:21:00 AM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Nov 4 2006, 03:19 PM)
I was told PS3 only had HDMI 1.1
PS3 has HDMI v1.3 (it's a must for blu-ray's ICT and 1080p)
Post by: colonel_j2020 on November 04, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
DTS has a higher bandwidth and sampling frequency. It's bandwidth is 1.5mbits per second where as dolby digital's is only 468kbits per second. Sampling frequency for DTS is 96khz and DD is only 48khz.
for us true aidophiles this means this thing is a useless piece of $#!t
Post by: elmo_sni on November 04, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
Post by: droideka on November 04, 2006, 09:05:00 AM
I will buy the 360 and no add-on for 400 bucks... And thats that...
If i want blu or hd dvd i will buy a player when the price drops.
Post by: icedemon360 on November 04, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: GARRYB on November 04, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: Mr. Me on November 04, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: 281R on November 04, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(bobbyblaze @ Nov 4 2006, 08:22 AM)
So for $499 you can get a PS3 with 20g hardrive, Blu Ray, and HDMI 1.3 with support for lossless 24bit 96khz sound and the same money buys you an xbox 360 with no hardrive, HD DVD but massively compromised sound output (1.5mbps via spdif ie. vanilla DTS or DD).
Microsoft may be able to get away without cutting the price of xbox360 whilst there is insufficient stock of PS3 to effect demand that much for xbox but they must have at least a $100 price cut next year ready for when the two go head to head.
This is big time disappointing for me. If any of y;all have ever been to an Imax theater then you'd know how jaw dropping full resolution uncompressed sound mixes feel. 448kbps Dolby dig or even full standard bit rate DTS sound as flat as a week old can of coke in comparison. Don't take my word for it. Uber-Director ridley Scott says as much on the commentary track for the SE of Alien. If Microsoft wanted to go the analogue route and not go HDMI then they should have included 5.1 (or better 6.1) analogue outs on the HD DVD player instead.
Of course the other option (when they release the redesigned 65nm xbox 360) is to include a HD DVD drive and HDMI but then they wouldn't tell us about this at the moment, would they?
I thought HDMI was only supported in the $600 PS3 version?
Post by: silentbob343 on November 04, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(amirm)
Here is the quick answer on your audio front, hoping it doesnt create a big discussion
. The HD DVD playback software on Xbox 360 is all new. My group implemented all of the a/v processing and various audio/video decoders. So there is no commonality between its performance on such things as DTS tracks and standard DVD playback on Xbox. The decoders are all very high performance and multi-threaded. The standard DVD was licensed third-party software. Of course, there may be bugs . But we are standing ready to fix them. And since I manage that group and am active here, you should see much better response than other Xbox A/V related issues which I have no control over.QUOTE(281R @ Nov 4 2006, 05:32 PM)
I thought HDMI was only supported in the $600 PS3 version?
they added it to the $500 PS3 a while back
Post by: pepe2004 on November 04, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
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All 6 of Xbox 360's hardware threads are hard at work while playing back an HD DVD. At the moment, the player software pushes Xbox 360 harder than any other (save, perhaps, Gears of War during some particularly busy parts of the game).
OMG, something smells burning
Post by: amb7247 on November 04, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
On and who cares if the PS3 has blu-ray .I don't and I dont think it'll succeed. Actually you also have to buy an $100 cable if you want to use HDMI on the console. We'll see how this drive is. I'm not willing to spent money on it right now. If I do HD-DVD I'll wait till the market saturates before I get one.
Post by: cchance on November 04, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
A. Divx support isnt 100 lines of code... and The reason it wasnt added is NOT because of technical reason but LEGAL, they would need to figure out a way to license the divx codec for the 360 which hasnt been a high priority to date, and no xvid is under a bunch of patent and legal issues right now so thats out of the way as well. Microsoft cant just add something like that their are reprocussions for a company of Microsofts size.
B. Give me a f*cking break, you guys want 7.1 DTS and TrueHD etc etc and the best HDDVD output ever? GET A STANDALONE! Thats like buying a ps2 because you wanted dvd playback... The HDDVD addon is made to be a cost effective way into the hidef market plane and simple. Theirs a reason their are 2000$ hddvd players and theirs reasons their are 3000$ bluray players... If you guys honestly think the ps3 is gonna give you 100% of the bluray playback you've got another thing coming to you.
C. Theirs something you are neglecting to realize from what i've heard they are also planning on releaseing the PC drivers to use the drive on HDDVD capable pc's (dualcore etc) don't think a ps3 can do that last i checked.
D. Its not the damn fans, i have 2 360's and my brother has 1 ... its the 12x DVD drive that is loud... the fans i can never hear ever unless your somehow sitting directly next to the box and 3" from your tv
E. Who exactlys having problems with HDTV LCD's and the 360? Plug in VGA and set resolution works for everyone i know that has one... if you want component better check your tv manual to see what it REALLY supports via component end of story.
F. Screw HDMI and the ICT ... it was delayed until 2012 well after the 360 and ps3 are done being primetime, and i'd rather have seperate cables for my audio than joined on a single cable but thats me.
AND FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY....
G. HDDVD IS WINNING... visually hddvd is whiping the floor with bluray movies, its been in all the reviews to date that hddvd has a crisper image with better special features and even their upscaling of dvd's has been superior... On top of that HDDVD media released and on the schedule for release is 3x as high as planned bluray releases, then theirs the important numbers... HDDVD movie sales in september (dont know the oct numbers) were up to 11 to 1 over bluray... up from augusts 8 to 1 sales rate of hddvd movies... not to mention hddvd is way ahead in hardware sales anyway... and that all was BEFORE the hddvd addon for the 360 started selling out everywhere... remember microsoft said 10M consoles by year end which by recent projections by the end of 06 they should be able to just break that 10M milestone... What does that mean????? That means 10 MILLION potential HDDVD users that can easily get a hddvd player for 200$ vs a ps3 for 600 (or bluray standalone for around 1000$) or even a hddvd standalone for 500-600$
So lets see... hddvds wining in reviews, winning in sales, winning in price... hmm ya i'll stick with my HDDVD addon, and maybe if i ever decide to go all out ill buy a STANDALONE player for my media room... once theirs a definite winner... until then i'll remember 1 important fact
BetaMax and BluRay's storys seem extremely close, on top of a nasty line of failures from sony
SACD, MiniDisk, UMD, Memory Stick & MemoryStick Duo & BetaMax... and people want to put their money on the bluray because of the ps3? I recall people saying the UMD was destined to be a universal media because of the psp and all the psp had to offer... lol ya uh huh sure
Post by: cchance on November 04, 2006, 11:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Caldor @ Nov 4 2006, 11:30 PM)
Sony realised the importance of HDMI and changed it for inclusion across the whole product range.
This 2010 rumour about ICT is only valid AFAIK in one country - Japan. Don't discount the tendency of studios and distributors to pressure and dominate the market. Afterall look at whay HDMI came along in the first place.
DD+ and TrueHD isnt about more speakers - it's about studio grade audio.
LOL no sony saw microsoft was releasing 1080p support on their box and had to retailiate by saying "ya they have 1080p "truehd" but we have hdmi" ... in the end who gives a crap.
LOL With a large majority of tv's not supporting ICT and with many analysts all saying ICT is delayed till 2010-2012 at earliest its not exactly important... and no it wasnt just Japan dont know where you got your information from it was a WORLDWIDE DELAY, and from a few discussions microsoft has already stated that it believes even after 2012 they dont forsee the ICT being activated because by forcast estimates only about 50-60% of households will support it even by 2010
Post by: silentbob343 on November 04, 2006, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(cchance @ Nov 5 2006, 02:03 AM)
ugh god I don't want to get in to this. You realize you are starting more bullshit with that post.
Post by: Caldor on November 04, 2006, 11:25:00 PM
I'm glad you have money to burn on a standalone - I would rather put my money into a better display. Ask yourself this - is the hardware in the Toshiba standalones more powerful than the 360? Actually it is not. The only thing holding it back from being an excellent HD-DVD solution is HDMI hardware support.
If you had more experience in digital video you would know what many standalone dvd players work poorly - for example in deinterlacing which is a difficult thing to do well. Tests has shown modern NVIDIA and ATI graphics card exceed all but the $US2000+ plus DVD player performances with scaling and deinterlacing.
The 360 uses Ati's AVIVO platform and has the GPU acceleration and other features found in HTPCs.
Too many people make the mistake of falsely assuming a consumer electronics device is inherently better if it's a standalone.
Who gives a crap you ask? Well for people who arent children/young adults who try to appear on forums talking about subjects they have no professional experience in, these people are attracted to:
1. Complete protection from ICT
2. 1080P via HDMI is 100% universally supported for all native 1080P displays the same cant be said for vga or component.
3. TrueHD
4. DD+
5. DTS-HD
6. Less costs for high quality cabling in one cable for video and audio instead of up to 11 cables which when using broadcast quality cabling quickly adds up in price.
Post by: crazyfoo on November 05, 2006, 12:58:00 AM
Read nyquist's sample theorem
Post by: youloseagain on November 05, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
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re-encoding into dolby digital what a waste.
DTS has a higher bandwidth and sampling frequency. It's bandwidth is 1.5mbits per second where as dolby digital's is only 468kbits per second. Sampling frequency for DTS is 96khz and DD is only 48khz.
DTS has a higher bandwidth and sampling frequency. It's bandwidth is 1.5mbits per second where as dolby digital's is only 468kbits per second. Sampling frequency for DTS is 96khz and DD is only 48khz.
agree take DTS over DD any day. As for hdmi. What you guys want to support the move to DRM? Please analog vs digital isnt a big dfference. 1080p over Vga sounds great and Tos or SPDIF is good enough for now. Most people's snr and noisefloors dont justify having 7.1 or more channel surround and If you do have mono block tube amps and preamps well then get a standalone hd-dvd unit! The more things a device does the less it does any of them well.
Post by: grug on November 05, 2006, 07:08:00 AM
QUOTE(cchance @ Nov 5 2006, 07:03 AM)
Uggh where to even start in this stupidity.
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B. Give me a f*cking break, you guys want 7.1 DTS and TrueHD etc etc and the best HDDVD output ever? GET A STANDALONE!
Encoding high-quality DTS and uncompressed LPCM material, let alone 24/96, TrueHD etc or other hires audio in software and then re-encoding it to a comparatively low quality Dolby Digital stream is a MAJOR step backwards. The original PS2 and Xbox could passthrough LPCM and DTS at least, and it looks like this piece of shit will force DD on everyone. The quality drop is unacceptable. Transcoding from one lossy codec to another lossy codec is unacceptable. It's not too much to ask that the audiostream in question is passed unmolested to your receiver.
QUOTE(amb7247 @ Nov 5 2006, 04:07 AM)
I thought DD and DTS was the difference where one is a compressed format and the other is not.
Post by: Madskilz182 on November 05, 2006, 09:48:00 AM
Personally I'm gonna buy the 360 HD-DVD drive... later on I may even choose to get a Blu-Ray player. But im not going to sit at home and cry because as of the moment the 360 HD-DVD is outputting in DD. The world is going to keep rotating. If you think you get more of what you want for your money from a PS3 go for it. Just quit bickering back and forth, its pitiful....
Post by: thax on November 05, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
It would really suck to use your PS3 as a blu-ray player all the time and have the components worn out due to excessive use. The x360's extra drive somewhat mitigates this problem by having an extra drive, you can get twice the runtime with 2 drive units.
If you really watch a great deal of movies then I would avoid using the PS3 as your main player, with a MTBF of about 10,000 hours you will need to be replacing parts of buying a new unit down the road.
I would rather have a dedicated hybrid player that supports both formats, I won't be getting any player until that happens. In addition the hybrid players usually support multiple file formats, I could burn lots of divx or wmv files on a blu-ray or hd-dvd disc depending on what media is the cheapest.
Those on the blu-ray or hd-dvd bandwagon are making sub-optimal choices.
Post by: JohnnyVegas on November 05, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(puppydg68 @ Nov 5 2006, 09:17 AM)
Also just for completeness here, because I'm stick of people always throwing out how expensive PS3 is:
$299 (core) + $199 (hd-addon) = $500
$399 (premium) + $199 (hd-add) = $600
In Xbox world for $500 you get
Wired Controller, no hard drive, Audio Crippled HD-DVD, NO HDMI
In PS3 world for $500 you get
Wireless Controller, 20 GB hard drive, Blu-Ray, HDMI
In Xbox world for $600 you get:
Wireless Controller, 20 GB hard drive, Audio Crippled HD-DVD, NO HDMI
In PS world for $600 you get
Wireless Controller, 60 GB hard drive, Built in Wifi, Blu-ray, HDMI, Memory reader Slots
You forget a few important features with the 360..
IT ACUALLY HAS GAMES!! The PS3 will not have a nice title till next holiday at least and by that time the 360 games will be well formed and have larger inventory.
You also get access to the best Online service in the gaming community.
You also get a good track record of quality parts and service unlike Sony parts (hello PS2, TV, stereos of late).
Migration with your existing Media Center and home PC's (MCE/Vista) and more options for better intagration in the future. As home PC becomes more intagrated so will your 360.
PC (ms Studios) online gaming will be intergrated with Live. How cool.
MS did the right thing here. This is an entry level player. Gives you the OPTION unlike Sony.
more...
If you "Audiofiles" are so serious why would you buy a Video game HD player anyway? Get a standalone ass hats.
Post by: sinister slipknot on November 05, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
QUOTE(JohnnyVegas @ Nov 5 2006, 07:34 PM)
You forget a few important features with the 360..
IT ACUALLY HAS GAMES!!
Post by: Madskilz182 on November 05, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Caldor on November 05, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
A standalone is not necessarily higher quality then a HTPC or the PS3, the 360 is lower quality due to the absence of HDMI.
The point the MS apologists seem to gloss over is that the PS3 fully supports the high def era - you don't have to be forced into a low end solution like the MS addon. And, you dont have to fork out over a $US1000+ for a good BD player.
There are more problems too as I explained earlier.
All of these would be fixed if MS released a HDMI cable and then not only would the AV be good, but the things the xbox currently does well like live and games would provide a brutal match of capabilities.
Post by: silentbob343 on November 05, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(puppydg68 @ Nov 5 2006, 11:17 AM)
I can understand your destain for sony since you are obviously a fanboy, however when comparing blu-ray to hd-dvd - they are actually the SAME encoded files, any quality that people are comparing is based on the players available on the market. You do understand that blu-ray and HD-DVD are simply storage formats.. The actual Hd-def movie files on each disc are compatible.. either VC1 or H264 encoded. That means in theory copy protection aside, you could put a HD-DVD movie onto a blu-ray disc and have the exact same quality file.
I was going to post that, but got lazy and didn't want to add more fuel to the fire. Glad somebody did.
QUOTE(JohnnyVegas @ Nov 5 2006, 03:34 PM)
You forget a few important features with the 360..
IT ACUALLY HAS GAMES!! The PS3 will not have a nice title till next holiday at least and by that time the 360 games will be well formed and have larger inventory.
You also get access to the best Online service in the gaming community.
You also get a good track record of quality parts and service unlike Sony parts (hello PS2, TV, stereos of late).
lol that is stupid. It's a new system of course it won't have the same library of games the 360 out of the gate, but it does have games available upon launch and plenty more will be made for the system. "Nice title" is subjective and depnds on what games you like to play.
Please don't talk about quality and MS, "Help my 360 flashing is 3 red lights"..."Oh that's easy just take a heatgun to it".
Here is what it comes down to. Some people see the value of the PS3 and want to purchase one, you don't and thus own the 360.
Post by: elmo_sni on November 05, 2006, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: silentbob343 on November 05, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
QUOTE(elmo_sni @ Nov 5 2006, 09:15 PM)
come on guys, stop trying to convince the guy next to you to buy a ps3 or 360. In the end it's all about the games anyway.
well said.
Post by: jackbutler on November 05, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
QUOTE(puppydg68 @ Nov 5 2006, 10:17 AM)
I can understand your destain for sony since you are obviously a fanboy, however when comparing blu-ray to hd-dvd - they are actually the SAME encoded files, any quality that people are comparing is based on the players available on the market. You do understand that blu-ray and HD-DVD are simply storage formats.. The actual Hd-def movie files on each disc are compatible.. either VC1 or H264 encoded. That means in theory copy protection aside, you could put a HD-DVD movie onto a blu-ray disc and have the exact same quality file.
Just wanted to jump in and point out one thing here. There are actually 3 video codecs that can be used and they are H.264, MPEG-2 or VC1 and guess what most , if not all, Blue-Ray movies have used? MPEG-2. Thats why they dont hold up visually to HD-DVDs right now.....
Oh and I will be getting the HD-DVD addon when it comes out
Post by: silentbob343 on November 05, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
QUOTE(jackbutler @ Nov 6 2006, 12:24 AM)
Just wanted to jump in and point out one thing here. There are actually 3 video codecs that can be used and they are H.264, MPEG-2 or VC1 and guess what most , if not all, Blue-Ray movies have used? MPEG-2. Thats why they dont hold up visually to HD-DVDs right now.....
Oh and I will be getting the HD-DVD addon when it comes out
That is true, one theory I have heard was the cost associated with mastering films in VC-1. I think the video codec of choice for BD is supposed to be h.264/AVC, but admittly I am out of loop as far as what studios are planning to do. Again though, his point was that it wasn't the disc, but rather the studios making that choice causing lower levels of PQ.
Post by: notguiltystyle on November 06, 2006, 01:35:00 AM
QUOTE(puppydg68 @ Nov 5 2006, 03:17 PM)
Also just for completeness here, because I'm stick of people always throwing out how expensive PS3 is:
$299 (core) + $199 (hd-addon) = $500
$399 (premium) + $199 (hd-add) = $600
In Xbox world for $500 you get
Wired Controller, no hard drive, Audio Crippled HD-DVD, NO HDMI
In PS3 world for $500 you get
Wireless Controller, 20 GB hard drive, Blu-Ray, HDMI
In Xbox world for $600 you get:
Wireless Controller, 20 GB hard drive, Audio Crippled HD-DVD, NO HDMI
In PS world for $600 you get
Wireless Controller, 60 GB hard drive, Built in Wifi, Blu-ray, HDMI, Memory reader Slots
For someone who wants the features the price comparison makes more sense. I'm not denying that someone without an HD- tv set wouldn't care about either the hd-dvd or the blu-ray
Im not a PS3 fan but I have to agree that the PS3 (for HD) is better value than The Xbox 360!
Post by: youloseagain on November 07, 2006, 08:55:00 AM
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A standalone is not necessarily higher quality then a HTPC or the PS3, the 360 is lower quality due to the absence of HDMI.
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All of these would be fixed if MS released a HDMI cable and then not only would the AV be good, but the things the xbox currently does well like live and games would provide a brutal match of capabilities.
HDMI=DRM
Screw that.
Post by: youloseagain on November 07, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
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copy a lot of video via the 360 output do ya?
do I backup content from my 360 thru output cable to a dvr or htpc? I might.
Post by: silentbob343 on November 11, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: Austin7687 on November 15, 2006, 12:34:00 AM