Post by: EYOB on November 25, 2004, 03:22:00 AM
I'm thinking about buying Mod Chips in Bulk (XBIT?), and modding Xbox's for other ppl.
I'll probably buy some Harddrives as well. What size do you guys suggest ??
Also, what do you guys think of what I'm doing ??
Post by: EYOB on November 26, 2004, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: bleugh on November 26, 2004, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on November 26, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (bleugh @ Nov 26 2004, 06:38 PM) |
| i'd suggest not bothering, as in the eyes of the law, modz = piratez |
eyes of the law my ass. it aint illegal.. and i have modded for several boyz in blue before...
Post by: Chancer on November 26, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| eyes of the law my ass. it aint illegal.. and i have modded for several boyz in blue before... |
In the UK YES it is illegal. the modchip enables the possible circumvention of copy protection which is indeed illegal.
If you are so sure its not illegal why not drop M$ an email asking them to pass on details of your mod fitting service in case any purchasers wish to take up your "Legal" chipping service......... didn't think so
Yes we all know people mod boxes and stuff but it doesn't make it legal.
Post by: EYOB on November 26, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
XBIT is the best for me to work with I think. Becuase of the USB capability and solderless install.
Post by: A@ron on November 26, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Sac2K4 on November 26, 2004, 11:20:00 PM
Post by: Pizza Pizz on November 27, 2004, 06:27:00 AM
How many xbox's have you done so far and the different versions ?
Most of my modding has been for m8's and now I say to them get the h/d yourself at the best current price - I do this for two reasons
1 the price is always dropping - I bought a 120gb and paid a lot more than it's price 3 months later - I think I ended breaking even or modded his xbox for absolutely nothing
2 if it goes pear shape - which did happen once the receipt is in their name on their credit card so I don't have the hassle of sourcing another 120gb, sending the other one back and all that. Still gotta send that dead 120gb drive back - must remember that or it will be out of warranty
Not that I wouldn't lend them another h/d but if I only had a 40gb spare to hand then that would help them, plus they have the return hassle should a drive die and it don't look like I sell them old or s/hand hd's. They get to see a good price or deal on a hd and not pay silly prices like 100 notes for a 120gb prepared h/d
They buy a 120gb at say 45 notes and I get a small drink for modding n prepapring their drive/transfer saves and tweaking their setup to how they want it
but then like I say I don't do loads of modding - just friends n family etc.......
Post by: itsmee129 on November 27, 2004, 07:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (EYOB @ Nov 27 2004, 03:32 AM) |
| Becuase of the USB capability and solderless install. |
if your a true installer why do you want to use solderless
flameeeee
Post by: AlexNapo on November 27, 2004, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: Sac2K4 on November 27, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: itsmee129 on November 27, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
Post by: Sac2K4 on November 27, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (itsmee129 @ Nov 27 2004, 04:33 PM) |
| im a local installer in monmouth NJ, if anyone lives near me, and yes, i do solder |
lmao... advertising are we? lol... so ill do mine... hehe... installer in Moncton NB canada.. do chips TSOP ram upgrade.. wtv you want...
Post by: itsmee129 on November 27, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 27, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Chancer @ Nov 26 2004, 02:04 PM) |
| In the UK YES it is illegal. the modchip enables the possible circumvention of copy protection which is indeed illegal. |
If it's illegal, then why does it seem that there are quite a few chip resellers in the UK? They don't exactly hide (some linked from the front page here), so you'd think they'd be busted if it was actually illegal.
Hell, here in the US we even have that ugly DMCA, and chips are still perfectly legal. Where it becomes illegal is if you ship it with a MS-based BIOS and/or any XDK-compiled software. There you end up distributing copyrighted material.
The solution is, of course, to do exactly as all the major chip makers now do and ship with a Cromwell based BIOS that enables flashing from CD or LAN, or just use a chip like XBIT that has USB flashing. Then you include a document explaining the use of xbins, and all is perfectly legal from your end.
I'm in the process of starting a modding business on campus with a friend of mine. We do softmods as a teaser, and then when the user inevitably comes back wanting more space or the ability to turn off the mod to play on Live, we sell them a chip and install it.
Post by: EYOB on November 27, 2004, 10:39:00 PM
The only problem I have is figuring out how to solder.
I modded my first Xbox nearly 1 year ago. It was like a v. 1 or v. 2 with solder in the d0 or LPC holes, whatever you call em. Now that one's fucked. I guess, it was because I did the solderless install with the X 2.3b lite plus (I think that's what it's called). Now I'm trying to mod it with the XBIT solderless chip. It wasn't working out. Now it's just a normal Xbox.
I bought another one, because I was at base nearly 2 hours away from home and my Xbox. I was standing a 24 hour post, and knew there would be plenty of time to play Xbox. Not wanting to drive, I decided to buy a new Xbox. This one didn't have solder in the LPC/d0 part of the Motherboard. So, I used the XBIT to install solderlessly into that one. It has problems from time to time, but I'm able to fix it. I use this new modded Xbox most of the time, and let my friend use my other normal one.
The problem now is how to learn to solder. I guess I could go into another forum and figure that out.
Just for the heck of it - Could you guys "point me in the right direction" ?? Like a certain link, or outline of soldering ??
I've never soldered before, but there seems to be overwhelming advice to solder when it comes to modding.
BTW: Thanks VERY much for the handy advice !!
Post by: EYOB on November 27, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
Xecuter 3 is new, so most likely the best choice.
But I'm familiar with the XBIT, and I can use the USB to flash it instead of with a CD.
What do you guys think ??
If the X3 works better, I'll order them in bulk.
And like someone else said, about 2 or 3 120 gig HDD's.
Post by: mr will on November 28, 2004, 12:31:00 AM
Post by: mr will on November 28, 2004, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: itsmee129 on November 28, 2004, 06:55:00 AM
, buy 5 alladin chips at one time, so the cost for each chip is about $17(about$85). tell the people they are regualar modchips that cost $45 and you are in teh money my man, well thats what i do edit: and oh yeah, how much would u sell that broken motherboard for?
Post by: EYOB on November 28, 2004, 09:02:00 AM
I don't think it's broken. As long as I can solder, I think it will work.
I understand your logic of buying older chips. But I figure the newer the better. So I'm guessing when/if I buy a certain type of chip, it will come with instructions, in a pamphlet or online.
I want to learn to solder, can someone provide me with a link on how to solder ??
Post by: Pharoh on November 28, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: EYOB on November 28, 2004, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: itsmee129 on November 28, 2004, 02:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (EYOB @ Nov 28 2004, 10:00 PM) |
| So, what's the difference, between an Alladin, Xbit, and X3 ?? |
the price, all chips are the same, they are a microchip with alternative bios for the xbox. its just some modchips have other features liuke some support an lcd screen and some are jsut more popular
Post by: EYOB on November 28, 2004, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: Casper1786 on November 28, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
I suggest the X2.6 as it works on all versions, and gives the user the choice for an easy upgrade in the future 2 the X3 chip if they want, just pull it off the Pin-header and unplug the few wires, plug them into the X3 and put it back on the LPC, Change the Switches and your all done. plus since it has a Hardware disable switch the users can diside if they still wish 2 use XBL on that system, just as long as they don't do HDD upgrades...
Post by: Chancer on November 29, 2004, 04:45:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| If it's illegal, then why does it seem that there are quite a few chip resellers in the UK? They don't exactly hide (some linked from the front page here), so you'd think they'd be busted if it was actually illegal. |
Send an e-mail to [email protected] or pm bustanuvver (ukmodchips.biz) and ask them about legality. many UK chip sellers have already been hit indeed M$ has forced them to stop retailing chips
The ones still advertising simply have not been caught up with yet.
Post by: itsmee129 on November 29, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: BlackRanger3d on November 29, 2004, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on November 29, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| also im getting an X3 and xlcd, it looks hottt |
before you buy your wonderchip you might want to try get an answer fromXecuter on whether this chip holds Lframe to ground permanent in the 1.6 boxes. (no concrete answer on this with the X3 yet) If it does then modding a 1.6 box with one will cause excess current flow in turn causing long term problems. Xenium, DuoX etc don't use this method so are a safer long term bet in a 1.6 unless you do the mod with the 680 ohm resistor
Your comments about softmodding seem to indicate that you are only 4 years old. So I think you should apologise to any " Jerks Lesbians and Poor people."
Post by: Pizza Pizz on November 29, 2004, 09:42:00 AM
I used to diss the softmodders but have eaten humble pie about 3 weeks or so ago
Yes I rebuilt the lpc on 1 1.6 crystal - fitting a duo-x 1 - well the on/off didn't work coz it's a duo 1 but worked
the second 1.6 crystal I did the uber softmod and fuck me it does work well - over 2 weeks later I start her up and no clock loop - straight to evox. Like I said then and I say now softmods have come a long way
ps they was 1.6a's - samsung ram made in August 2004
softmod not exactly ideal for serious modders but never will I dismiss this option - more so on 1.6's with lpc needing rebuilds and the shall I or shan't I put a resisitor on there / track cutting for some mods like Chancer said
Post by: EYOB on November 29, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
But I have one Xbox, that can be modded by the screw in method. I have the chip, but I can't screw it in, until I get the solder out of the d0 holes. Maybe I could try to solder with that. I dunno.
How would I solder an Xbox to my mother board ?? Just solder the LPC to some wires, and the wires to the d0 point or what ??
How did you guys learn about this stuff ??
I know some ppl in the military that could desolder my Xbox, so I can screw in my Xbit. I'm gonna ask them to do it, because they are pro's at this stuff. I doubt they would know how to solder the modchip in, so I just want them to desolder my Xbox so I can screw it in.
I'm gonna screw in this modchip, unless I can figure out how to solder sometime soon.
So, how did you guys first learn to solder, and what's the basic idea of soldering a chip to the Xbox ??
Thanks for the advice.
Post by: itsmee129 on November 30, 2004, 06:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Chancer @ Nov 29 2004, 06:31 PM) |
| before you buy your wonderchip you might want to try get an answer fromXecuter on whether this chip holds Lframe to ground permanent in the 1.6 boxes. (no concrete answer on this with the X3 yet) If it does then modding a 1.6 box with one will cause excess current flow in turn causing long term problems. Xenium, DuoX etc don't use this method so are a safer long term bet in a 1.6 unless you do the mod with the 680 ohm resistor Your comments about softmodding seem to indicate that you are only 4 years old. So I think you should apologise to any " Jerks Lesbians and Poor people." |
ive got a 1.0 , sorry for the confusion
Post by: Noodle03 on November 30, 2004, 07:16:00 AM
I have moved my box to multiple friends houses in the past 3 or 4 weeks and it still boots fine and works great.
I understand that soldering is much more solid but if the solderless options were so bad do you really think they would still be selling so well after this long even with the word of mouth from this site?
I could be wrong but what if the origonal poster was just looking to do installs localaly? it would be much easier and not much moving around (shipping wise) to do installs like that.
Also once he installs the chips and or software and verifies it works he doesn't have to offer any more free help. Sure it would be to his benifit to do so but he doesn't have to.
Verify it works and explain how to use the OS or other software and after that it's not your problem. The waranty has already been voided and hopefully explained to the customer.
I'm not saying that's a good way to go about it but if the end user does something to screw it up after you made sure it worked it isn't your fault unless you are offering your customers some sort of warranty yourself.
Post by: EYOB on November 30, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
I don't want to go to some tech school just to learn to hack my Xbox, and at the same time I don't want to fuck up the Xbox. Soldeless means less chance I'll mess it up with solder all over the place.
I work on a base, and I know some ppl that could solder and desolder.
Maybe if I tell them how to do it, they could do it for me. I dunno if that could work.
How does a "newb" like myself figure this stuff out ??
Post by: EYOB on November 30, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Noodle03 @ Nov 30 2004, 10:19 AM) |
| Man this is the solderless haters thread... sorry to give a differnet opinion but granted it was my only my first mod but I got the Xenium Ice solderless package and this thing is tight as a rock. The d0 point is in there solid and so is the adaptor. I have moved my box to multiple friends houses in the past 3 or 4 weeks and it still boots fine and works great. I understand that soldering is much more solid but if the solderless options were so bad do you really think they would still be selling so well after this long even with the word of mouth from this site? I could be wrong but what if the origonal poster was just looking to do installs localaly? it would be much easier and not much moving around (shipping wise) to do installs like that. Also once he installs the chips and or software and verifies it works he doesn't have to offer any more free help. Sure it would be to his benifit to do so but he doesn't have to. Verify it works and explain how to use the OS or other software and after that it's not your problem. The waranty has already been voided and hopefully explained to the customer. I'm not saying that's a good way to go about it but if the end user does something to screw it up after you made sure it worked it isn't your fault unless you are offering your customers some sort of warranty yourself. |
I'm not sure, why I wrote that previous post.
But noodle is correct. I'm looking to do local installations. Friends of Friends, and fellow Marines that I work with.
Like noodle said, I want to install the chip, BIOS, and OS, maybe even a HDD. Tell them to take care of it, that's about it.
So, I'm guessing all the ppl with posts about soldering is the best method, thought, I was doing a professional buisness.
I guess it is ok to order the XBIT in stock.
I think the only thing I have to worry about, is desoldering old Xbox's. So I can screw in the chips. I had another Marine ask me today about modding his Xbox.
I told him that I would order when I get the chance. I have the chance right now, but I'd like to get more opinions from the forum users....
Post by: pxpx on November 30, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: defmonk on November 30, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
You're definately out of your league if you don't know how to solder; even more so, do not know what kind of chip to buy or how it's used. (it really doesn't take much research to figure all of this out)
Then again, go ahead and hack your way into the modding business, so that once you've completely raped their xbox, they can just take it to someone else that still may or may not know what they are doing or better yet, figure it out on their own.
w0rd
Post by: statikshock on November 30, 2004, 05:42:00 PM
)You can't mod an Xbox without knowing at least the basics on the above items.
Go to the FAQ first and READ READ READ READ.
Post by: BAP1130 on December 01, 2004, 05:49:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I had never soldered anything before in my life! but with enough reading of tutorials, forums etc... you LEARN how to solder. its pretty simply: lean solder iron against both objects, then add the solder once they are nice and warm. anyway try SEARCHING for tutorials on how to solder. |
I couldn't agree more with you...even before I bought my first chip, I did a LOT of research into where everything was and so forth. My first modchip was a solderless, and even as an inexperienced noob I realized that there is no way it will stay in. Sure enough, it poped out every couple of days until I finally ruined the mobo completely trying to get it to stay in.
After that, I decided to learn how to solder...I didn't even know what soldering was, but again a LOT of reading in these forums helped. Reading as in searching and researching, not posting 10000000 new topics on how to solder.
I bought a test/practice board for 10 bucks, learned how to solder in an hour, and I installed my first solder mod, and I havent had a problem with it since. I've done a bunch of solder mods, and once you get the hang of it, they are painless and relatively easy to do.
A final thought: I agree with everyone about the shipping issues for solderless mods, etc...But I can't stress enough that suprisingly, it is much easier to screw someones xbox up with a solderless that a solder mod (Once you learn how to solder).
Post by: Sac2K4 on December 01, 2004, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: EYOB on December 01, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: statikshock on December 01, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
so stop being a friggin sook and try being a bit more pro-active hey?
Post by: EYOB on December 05, 2004, 12:27:00 AM
Post by: EYOB on December 05, 2004, 11:16:00 PM