Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 07, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
Datel XSATA - SATA-to-USB device to connect Xbox 360 HD on PC-- Posted by XanTium on April 7 15:09 EST
After the announcement of the 360SATA and AvaLaunch 360 SATA to connect the Xbox 360 on your PC, here's the solution from Datel. It connects to the USB port of your PC, so the device includes a SATA-to-USB converter.
From codejunkies.com:
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The problem with the Xbox 360's built-in hard drive is it just isn't big enough. 12GB of usable space might be sufficient for the casual gamer, but the hardcore joypad juggler needs more. With XSATA, the latest devious device from Datel, you can free up hard drive space by transferring content between your console and your PC. You need never run out of hard drive space on your XB360 again!
Using your Xbox 360 file manager software such as the free PC app Xplorer360(info)(info), you can transfer materials from your console's hard drive to your PC, using your computer's hard disc space to store demos, game saves and other such materials you're not currently using. When you need them again, just transfer back to the XB360's drive. Once the data is on your PC, you can email anything that's not locked to your machine or L!VE account to your friends for them to use on their own consoles too.(IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/xsata/Xsata-01b.jpg)(IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/xsata/Xsata-07.jpg)
XSATA is a plug-and-play device that sits between your XB360's hard drive and the console itself. There's no need to remove your XB360's hard drive to use it. The PC and the 360 can then 'share' the HDD so it can remain in place at all times. To connect, just plug the supplied cable into the High Speed USB port on the back of XSATA and into any spare USB port on your PC. XSATA is USB 2.0-compatible, so you can expect ultra-fast transfer speeds of up to 480mbps. It looks great too, with blue laser light giving a real cool edge to your console.
XSATA for Xbox 360 is in the shops now for $39.99.
Official Site: codejunkies.com
Post by: CattyKid on April 07, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
GREAT idea, and works for the "Average Guy" as well, and without the need to even unplug the drive.
VERY cool, I'm impressed, Datel.
This post has been edited by CattyKid: Apr 7 2006, 09:02 PM
Post by: Mega_mil on April 07, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: Elusive hacker on April 07, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: manxbox44 on April 07, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: spinr34 on April 07, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Mega_mil @ Apr 7 2006, 12:32 PM) 
A bit pricey....but will be good for noobs....nothing is better than plug and play
it's not that expensive. plug and play is good for anyone, saves time
Post by: S1l3nt_N1nj4 on April 07, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
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wow, did MS approve this
who cares if M$ approved this?nothing thats made by datel gets approved by any companie,exept datel itself
anywho,its seems like a great idea just a lil bit pricey but who cares,it does the job
Post by: Altima NEO on April 07, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
thats nice
not only is it usb, so you dont need to take your pc case apart
but you dont even need to detach it from the 360
that beats all the homebrew adapaters, IMO
maybe it will give them a source for improvements to their design
Post by: quall on April 07, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
This post has been edited by quall: Apr 7 2006, 09:12 PM
Post by: loserkid182 on April 07, 2006, 01:37:00 PM
If they have it in Europe, I'll buy it, if not i'll get it from the US.
Bwahaha - indeed
Post by: C o s m o on April 07, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
A little ugly IMHO, but still awesome.
Post by: alsybub on April 07, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(loserkid182 @ Apr 7 2006, 06:44 PM)
I'm just waiting to check the UK store (site is down)
If they have it in Europe, I'll buy it, if not i'll get it from the US.
Bwahaha - indeed
Its is indeed available in Europe! My order has just been completed!!
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on April 07, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: kics on April 07, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: adamscybot on April 07, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
I have got my 360 ANWYHERE near the PC.
Who knows if it will even work with Xplorer360???
Being part of the first homebrew adapter...I'm bound to say this...but this really is my personal opinion.
Adam
EDIT; Oh wait it says on the box - "works with xplorer 360". Im surprised this has been allowed.
This post has been edited by adamscybot: Apr 7 2006, 09:35 PM
Post by: manxbox44 on April 07, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: Joergen on April 07, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
Too bad I cant really think of a good use for it yet, but all I need is the excuse to get one.
And good USB enclosures just for your regular 3.5" HDD cost between 30 to 50 bucks and more.
This post has been edited by Joergen: Apr 7 2006, 09:48 PM
Post by: balistic2 on April 07, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on April 07, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
Otherwise, looks awesome and they even give us some advertising on the box.
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 07, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
I don't need one right now (just got the transfer kit and I haven't even started diving into the cool stuff I can do with just a memory card) but it's nice to know a viable option is open for when I decide to start getting into HDD stuff.
price tag isn't that bad when you consider for me to use one of the cheaper adapters I would also have to pick up a SATA card AND leave my computer open...
USB is nice and clean
I like it
Post by: Lamer123 on April 07, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: loserkid182 on April 07, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(alsybub @ Apr 7 2006, 08:01 PM)
Its is indeed available in Europe! My order has just been completed!!
Nice one, just ordered mine too
Cheers
Post by: krawhitham on April 07, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(quall @ Apr 7 2006, 08:40 PM)
It's only expensive to the computer literate. I am just surprised that they are relying on non-affiliated, completely un-related software for their product to be useful.
Some of the guys that work for Datel are also some of the scenes best hackers
Post by: gamera on April 07, 2006, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: miggidy on April 07, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
I'm starting to run pretty low on HD space.
I'm the type that likes to keep as many demos as I can in my X360.
I like showing off my X360 when ever I have company, and demos are the best way of doing that because you can easily play them from the Hdd.
So for that alone, I might just buy this thing.
I suppose you can also transfer your MP3's?
Not sure about videos but it would be very cool if I could upload my own videos this way.
Anyways, I'm fine with just backing up demos for now.
I do have a concern though, I wonder if you can pull the plug off this thing.
I have enough wires dangling from the back of my Xbox 360 already, I don't need more.
Another thing, why a blue light?
Why not green to match the rest of the console?
Doesn't make much sense to me
Post by: kerbdog on April 07, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
Just noticed that if you buy one in Euros it a lot cheaper than in UK Pounds. It could just be the drink thats making it look like that way though
Post by: Master3xBOx on April 07, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: kerbdog on April 07, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(gamera @ Apr 7 2006, 10:49 PM) 
"I am just surprised that they are relying on non-affiliated, completely un-related software for their product to be useful." i agree with quall here little bit surprised they havent created there own software.Taking a little bit of a risk i think.
Means that they only have to do hardware support, no software support. Yea feck up your 360s HDD with software thats not theirs, your fault
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on April 07, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
The only issue I have with it is how safe is it going to be for the 360 and the PC to access the HD at the same time. Do they have a device that detects when the 360 is accessing the HD and then deines the PC access?
But overall , I like the design and the idea. It was only a metter of time before a dock came out. I have a design I am working on to.
JK
Post by: hurlamania on April 07, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Second thing is can this be used without being connected to the 360? if it can't be the other spolutions are better in that way I can connect a usb cable to my 360 from my pc. (to far) and im not going to disconnect my whole 360 to move it to my pc.
Has anyone seen this in local retail shops yet? (ie Best buy)
Post by: elietehatelier on April 07, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
thats all i care about
Post by: Textbook on April 07, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
A lot of people were waiting for a USB adapter to buy a HD transfer kit. Now they have what they wanted.
I really did not like what Ava did when they basically just copied 360SATA's PCB design and resold it. That was just cloning, in my opinion. They didn't really add any new features, so they really didn't even need to come up with such a product.
At least the Datel has new features that the PCBs do not have, I will give that to them.
The only problem I see with this is the way your 360 has to be close to your PC. An external adapter that used USB, sort of like a docking station, would have been a lot nicer.
To me, any of these adapters should never be connected to the 360 itself. When I want to transfer data, I have to lug the entire console over to my computer. That means disconnecting the power cable, disconnecting the A/V cable, and connecting the USB cable. A docking station could always be plugged into the computer, which would make loads more sense, considering that's the only thing you would use it for. Then, all I have to do is unplug the hard drive from the 360. Loads eaasier in my eyes.
This product is great for noobs, but if you really want to be noobtacular, you have to have a docking station. What you are paying for with this is convenience. A dock would be better than a console addon, I'm sure many of you will agree.
I have a very good feeling that this won't be the last we see of these HD transfer kits. I'm sure Team 360SATA will introduce a new product, and then Ava and Datel will probably just clone that.
Regardless, I buy my products based on a convenience vs. price comparison.
If I have to pay double for a product that keeps my case closed, then I won't buy it. My case is open all the time, so the 360SATA would work perfect for me, I don't need to pay extra for something I don't need.
As of now, if you don't have SATA, I guess Datel is right for you. But I would still be waiting to see what 360SATA has in mind....
Post by: newf on April 07, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
My computer resides in the room above my 360....now all I need is a really long usb cable and I can leave the 360 where it is all the time. Cool.
A docking station would be cool as well, but this is still great.
Post by: chuckthefuk on April 07, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
And to add to this note.. Some people such as myself. have purchased a VGA cable and enjoy playing 360 on our pc monitors.. since my 360 is inch's away from my pc.. this unit is a great idea..
Post by: Angerwound on April 07, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
QUOTE(chuckthefuk @ Apr 7 2006, 02:47 PM)
Does anyone know if "Xbox Live Arcade" games are locked to your live account .. or can u freely copy it from x360 -> PC -> x360... In theory not have to pay for live arcade games if someone already bought (downloaded) it?
And to add to this note.. Some people such as myself. have purchased a VGA cable and enjoy playing 360 on our pc monitors.. since my 360 is inch's away from my pc.. this unit is a great idea..
Does not work. Arcade titles are linked to the profile they were purchased on. Basically, when you purchase them, some data gets added to your profile file stating you own that content. Moving a full package to someone elses 360 will only result in it being in demo mode.
Post by: chuckthefuk on April 07, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
A1: In practice, the USB specification limits the length of a cable between full speed devices to 5 meters (a little under 16 feet 5 inches). For a low speed device the limit is 3 meters (9 feet 10 inches).
http://www.usb.org/about/faq/ans5/
QUOTE(newf @ Apr 7 2006, 05:46 PM) 
this is a great idea and I applaud them for it. I would have rather had seen a green matching light if I were to be picky.
My computer resides in the room above my 360....now all I need is a really long usb cable and I can leave the 360 where it is all the time. Cool.
A docking station would be cool as well, but this is still great.
Post by: DaGamePimp on April 07, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
Example : 360 system check discovers there is 300gig of space available on what is supposed to be the factory hard drive ...
---DGP---
Post by: matt57 on April 07, 2006, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: loserkid182 on April 07, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(DaGamePimp @ Apr 7 2006, 10:12 PM)
Very Cool indeed but has anybody considered that M$ might be able to detect such devices and disable them with future firmware updates ?
Example : 360 system check discovers there is 300gig of space available on what is supposed to be the factory hard drive ...
---DGP---
It would still be a 20gb drive, but you can move files to and from it, (move Tomb Raider demo to PC and then copy PGR3 demo to 360 HDD)
Post by: uvajay on April 07, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on April 07, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: DaGamePimp on April 07, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
QUOTE(loserkid182 @ Apr 7 2006, 11:16 PM)
It would still be a 20gb drive, but you can move files to and from it, (move Tomb Raider demo to PC and then copy PGR3 demo to 360 HDD)
Yeah I get the concept but my point is that who can say for sure if M$ will be able to detect it ... ?
---DGP---
Post by: LESTAT on April 07, 2006, 04:56:00 PM
man lets the hacking begin.. cuz ya know this just opened the door big time!!
overall even if it never gets hacked its still a wicked idea!
now if i can only get my 100gig 7200 RPM SATA Laptop hard drive to work on the 360 that would be the icing on the cake!!
Post by: Roupus on April 07, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: InsaneNutter on April 07, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(LESTAT @ Apr 7 2006, 10:27 PM)
now if i can only get my 100gig 7200 RPM SATA Laptop hard drive to work on the 360 that would be the icing on the cake!!
Even if you could do that would you actually be able to fill up anywhere near 100gb? unless mp3's coould be copied across like this... even then that would be a lot of music
Post by: eDeus on April 07, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Wireless USB anyone?
Connect the USB to act as an external drive to a Linksys WRT54G router (or similar model). Then it can be accessed wirelessly as mapped as a samba share on your computer.
Upload movies etc onto the xbox 360 HD, better playback ... IN HD!
A new XSATA that has a network port, i.e. inbuilt slim OS to support a linux drive. Double the price but make it much more efficient because basically, no one has PC near XBOX.
Real shame Xbox360 doesnt support linux, it would be the easiest thing to use and it would save them a lot of money when the hacker come out to play.
Post by: InsaneNutter on April 07, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: Nathan561 on April 07, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(matt57 @ Apr 7 2006, 11:14 PM)
So what all will this let noobs, like myself, do??? can we transfer mp3's, videos, and pics or is it limited to just dumping gamesaves etc..... also won't this be a way of scamming gamerpoints???
I was thinking the same thing, can you download 100% save games from loads of different games to illegitimately boost gamerscore?
Post by: loserkid182 on April 07, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(InsaneNutter @ Apr 7 2006, 10:57 PM)
I probly only noticed this cos im broke atm but in the usa its $40.00 which is £22.96 yet people in the UK have to pay £30 for this...
We usually have to pay whatever the price is in dollars for stuff too $60.00 = £60.00
Post by: Morlok8k on April 07, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
I looked at the best buy website - not there.
Also - It would have been nice if the light was green. I have never understood why people change the Led's to blue in the controllers and on the power rings (of both the xbox and the 360). Red i can understand (at least on the original black xbox), but blue just doesnt go with the xbox. Green goes best with it.
speaking about colors - why the hell is the 360 white? black is much cooler and sleeker. - that new black replacement case looks sweet. Hmm... the black case might look good with the blue - but i think it would be better with green as well.
But this could just be my mild OCD coming into play.
keep in mind that i have nothing against blue LED's - i have many of them in many places - even in my car. i just dont think they match well with the 360 (or the xbox)
Post by: -FourDoor- on April 07, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
Now off to read how to be able to extract the trailers from the hdd and make them playable on a standard PC.
What I'm not 100% clear on is that does the 360 need to be on for this new dock to function? Or is this adaptor able to grab power from the PC's USB port?
Post by: chuckthefuk on April 07, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
And give it a year there will be case replacements.. XCM just released clear face plates..
QUOTE(Morlok8k @ Apr 7 2006, 07:19 PM)
speaking about colors - why the hell is the 360 white? black is much cooler and sleeker. - that new black replacement case looks sweet. Hmm... the black case might look good with the blue - but i think it would be better with green as well.
Post by: Morlok8k on April 07, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(chuckthefuk @ Apr 7 2006, 11:35 PM)
2 words "Ipod Generation"... Apple brainwashed the world to like "white" so M$ used there idea..
And give it a year there will be case replacements.. XCM just released clear face plates..
The only good Ipod is a broken black ipod. i hate ipods - but they dont look half bad when they are black - like the nano.
oh and XCM has that one prototype they showed us - so i think 2-3 months
Post by: microsizeboy on April 07, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: drewZen on April 07, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(adamscybot @ Apr 7 2006, 08:05 PM)
Heh. They could have made it so you can deatch the thing and seperate it from your 360!!!!
I have got my 360 ANWYHERE near the PC.
Who knows if it will even work with Xplorer360???
Being part of the first homebrew adapter...I'm bound to say this...but this really is my personal opinion.
Adam
EDIT; Oh wait it says on the box - "works with xplorer 360". Im surprised this has been allowed.
Same here, my 360 is not near my PC so i guess this wont work for me unless I unplug everything and move to PC
Post by: senkel on April 07, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: sheepie on April 07, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: mike69 on April 07, 2006, 06:53:00 PM
so with this device i can transfer my live profile with all its saved games to another xbox 360 without the need of the pricey $40.00 MS memory card??? I prefer to pay 40 bucks on this than on a 64 mb memory unit.
Post by: Angerwound on April 07, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Nathan561 @ Apr 7 2006, 04:05 PM)
I was thinking the same thing, can you download 100% save games from loads of different games to illegitimately boost gamerscore?
You can download finished gamesaves, and unfortunately some will unlock undeserved achievements. Full Auto and Burnout for example will award the user almost every achievement just by racing once.
QUOTE(-FourDoor- @ Apr 7 2006, 04:25 PM)
This is great. I just started to run out of room on my hdd so this will be a nice addition. But I think I'll wait a couple of weeks to read some reviews here before pulling the trigger.
Now off to read how to be able to extract the trailers from the hdd and make them playable on a standard PC.
What I'm not 100% clear on is that does the 360 need to be on for this new dock to function? Or is this adaptor able to grab power from the PC's USB port?
The trailers are stored in a PIRS archive within /partition3/content/000000000000000/. Extract them with Xplorer360 and then extract the hdwmv file from the PIRS file with wxPirs.
QUOTE(drewZen @ Apr 7 2006, 04:52 PM)
Same here, my 360 is not near my PC so i guess this wont work for me unless I unplug everything and move to PC
Wireless USB?
QUOTE(senkel @ Apr 7 2006, 05:09 PM)
So if i get this right, this device is completely plug and play? I just plug into my usb 2.0 on my pc and xplorer360 is going to recognize the drive?
Exactly, xplorer will recognize the harddrive with out any special drivers. (Memory Unit however needs special drivers!)
QUOTE(mike69 @ Apr 7 2006, 05:22 PM)
so with this device i can transfer my live profile with all its saved games to another xbox 360 without the need of the pricey $40.00 MS memory card??? I prefer to pay 40 bucks on this than on a 64 mb memory unit.
Yes, you can. Each profile is stored in a directory on the hdd. Different to each user, due to unique profile id's. Copy this entire directory structure to the destination hard drive and your good to go.
Post by: ruciz on April 07, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 8 2006, 01:28 AM)
You can download finished gamesaves, and unfortunately some will unlock undeserved achievements. Full Auto and Burnout for example will award the user almost every achievement just by racing once.
The trailers are stored in a PIRS archive within /partition3/content/000000000000000/. Extract them with Xplorer360 and then extract the hdwmv file from the PIRS file with wxPirs.
Wireless USB?
Exactly, xplorer will recognize the harddrive with out any special drivers. (Memory Unit however needs special drivers!)
Yes, you can. Each profile is stored in a directory on the hdd. Different to each user, due to unique profile id's. Copy this entire directory structure to the destination hard drive and your good to go.
MS really should have implimented USB transfer cable directly IN the HDD housing. If I bought this I would take apart my HDD and squeeze it right in the housing.. I mean they didn't encrypt or change the way the data travels.
As for the xbox moving thing, just connect this to the bottom of the drive and then you just need to power the HDD, for example using the 360SATA board would work to supply power from a 5V adapter, USB port or the internal HDD connectors.. Datel should have included an adapter like this to pull power from the USB port to power the HDD.. One for data transmission, one for powering the drive (like seen in some of the manual mods using SATA to USB adapters) Easy mod if you got a spare USB female port and some wires.
Post by: MC2829 on April 07, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
When that 360 Memory Card Save Transfer Program came out they built that memory card transfer USB thingy, now when we have news posts about easy HD connecting to PC, they release an even easier form of doing so. I <3 Datel.
Post by: -FourDoor- on April 07, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 7 2006, 05:28 PM) 
The trailers are stored in a PIRS archive within /partition3/content/000000000000000/. Extract them with Xplorer360 and then extract the hdwmv file from the PIRS file with wxPirs.
Wireless USB?
Anything special that needs to be done with the extracted wmvhd files once extracted with wxPirs?
Does this location also contain the "Videos" that came with the original HDD?
I may have to order this thing sooner than later. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
Post by: Angerwound on April 07, 2006, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: katastrofi on April 07, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
Would this hook up to a already enclosed, plug and play external (possibly networkable) hard drive.
example:
1. buy this, hook it up
2. go to best buy, buy a 200 gb usb 2.0 hard drive that is networkable (either via wireless or wired)
3. transfer files like demos and stuff from the factory xbox360 hard drive to the networkable hard drive, and then view the files on that hard drive from another computer.
i think this would be the most convienent way of transfering files, using a stand-a-lone usb hard drive...i just need to know if anyone has tried this or can confirm that this would work..
Post by: Diablohead on April 07, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
My 360 shares the 19" widescreen lcd i use for my tv and pc, so my 360 is only about a foot away from my pc, perfect tool for saving data to pc.
Thanks Datel, will have to get one once I get some money on the 18th.
Post by: LESTAT on April 07, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
and then M$ will ban it with a Live update
Post by: hurlamania on April 07, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
Second of all we don't know if the unit can or cannot be used as a docking base, most likely it may not get enuff power from the usb, but would be very easy to make you own docking station for it as it would have an identical plug on the bottom of it as the 360 HDD and would only need power applied.
Datel or someone could just make a addon base with a 12v ac adapter. If you already have the 360sata adapter it would be very easy to make a docking station yourself. mount the datel kit to a box structure, tall enuff to house the 360sata kit and take a pc molex plug and cut it and add a ac to dc adapter, don't worry about the 360 sata data connector use the datel usb one.
This post has been edited by hurlamania: Apr 8 2006, 05:55 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 08, 2006, 02:07:00 AM
QUOTE(katastrofi @ Apr 8 2006, 01:36 AM)
quick question
Would this hook up to a already enclosed, plug and play external (possibly networkable) hard drive.
example:
1. buy this, hook it up
2. go to best buy, buy a 200 gb usb 2.0 hard drive that is networkable (either via wireless or wired)
3. transfer files like demos and stuff from the factory xbox360 hard drive to the networkable hard drive, and then view the files on that hard drive from another computer.
i think this would be the most convienent way of transfering files, using a stand-a-lone usb hard drive...i just need to know if anyone has tried this or can confirm that this would work..
if i understand you correctly - then yes, it would work - it would be no different than putting a 200gb HDD in your computer as a second HDD and copying everything to that as USB HDD's show up just like any other drive. or even copying the files to your current HDD - but it seems like you have space issues.
I'm not to clear on what you mean by networked - a USB drive connected to your computer would not need to be connected as a Network Storage Device on your LAN - unless you wanted it to be availible to multiple computers (the 360 would not see it though). i think thats what you mean.
so, yes - it would work because USB drives show up and work as normal drives - just a bit slower.
you can also put other things on the USB drive as well - it doesnt have to be just for xbox backups. i have a 120gb external HDD and i put all my downloads and torrents there, etc. as well as my xbox (xbox 1) backups and other stuff...
Post by: tef89 on April 08, 2006, 03:04:00 AM
QUOTE(kerbdog @ Apr 7 2006, 09:02 PM)
Just ordered one.
Just noticed that if you buy one in Euros it a lot cheaper than in UK Pounds. It could just be the drink thats making it look like that way though
Me Too !!!
Changed the drop-down to Euro's and it works out at about £15/16 - cheers for the heads up just saved me nearly half price.
Checked with my credit card and they've only charged the euro rate so it looks like it's a done deal
Just one other thing - Does anyone know if it will be possible to transfer music via the xsata ?
Post by: Hitcher on April 08, 2006, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(InsaneNutter @ Apr 7 2006, 11:57 PM)
I probly only noticed this cos im broke atm but in the usa its $40.00 which is £22.96 yet people in the UK have to pay £30 for this...
Don't they have to add local tax though?
Post by: loserkid182 on April 08, 2006, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(tef89 @ Apr 8 2006, 09:11 AM)
Me Too !!!
Changed the drop-down to Euro's and it works out at about £15/16 - cheers for the heads up just saved me nearly half price.
Checked with my credit card and they've only charged the euro rate so it looks like it's a done deal
Just one other thing - Does anyone know if it will be possible to transfer music via the xsata ?
I called and tried to cancel my first order (in £) and was told by the sexy voiced girl to call back on Monday morning.
I've placed another order for 2 of them, paying in (total inc recorded delivery - £34.60)
Post by: Diablohead on April 08, 2006, 04:37:00 AM
I just thought, if the 360 needs to be on to access the hdd can't it be damaging to move and change some files while the 360 is reading it?
Post by: chilin_dude on April 08, 2006, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: SilverDragon on April 08, 2006, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: tef89 on April 08, 2006, 06:09:00 AM
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Post by: kerbdog on April 08, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
QUOTE(tef89 @ Apr 8 2006, 11:11 AM)
Me Too !!!
Changed the drop-down to Euro's and it works out at about £15/16 - cheers for the heads up just saved me nearly half price.
Checked with my credit card and they've only charged the euro rate so it looks like it's a done deal
Just one other thing - Does anyone know if it will be possible to transfer music via the xsata ?
glad to help peeps save money
Post by: heraldoffailure on April 08, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
USB Extender that uses CAT5e Cable.
http://www.tigerdire...65746&CatId=444
You can probably find one cheaper somewhere else. But now you know what to look for.
Post by: remstrus on April 08, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
Got a worldpay confirmation but no Datel receipt, just emailed their customer support to see if they are going to despatch the item to me in the UK (even though I paid by EUR and saved GBP13.99)
Yep I am a noob and I am REALLY looking forward to this!Thanks
Post by: loserkid182 on April 08, 2006, 09:10:00 AM
QUOTE(remstrus @ Apr 8 2006, 02:29 PM)
Just ordered fron the Euro site GBP is 29.99 and Euro Payment is EUR23 equivalent to GBP 16
Got a worldpay confirmation but no Datel receipt, just emailed their customer support to see if they are going to despatch the item to me in the UK (even though I paid by EUR and saved GBP13.99)
Yep I am a noob and I am REALLY looking forward to this!Thanks
Not just me then. I received a receipt when I originally paid in £ but when I placed the € order I only received Worldpay confirmation.
E-mailed to ask what happened (only shows a shipping charge in the track orders part)
QUOTE
Click on Shop --> Bottom right Track an order.
Post by: manxbox44 on April 08, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(manxbox44 @ Apr 7 2006, 09:09 PM)
does anybody know how much shipping is on this?
Post by: BasicAir on April 08, 2006, 11:05:00 AM
I bought one LATE, LATE last nigh off the website since on BestBuy.com it looks like they don't have it - or at least not yet.
But one thing I can't find is if it comes with this cable to connect to my PC and if it does how long is it? If it doesn't, where can I get one -- one that's about 20 feet preferably (since I don't want to move my PC or 360 closer to each other as it'd be a HUGE hassle (I guess a USB cable extender would be fine once I have the adapter cable but I'm still wondering -- DOES IT COME WITH IT?).
Also, I want to know like others have asked -
- CAN I transfer MP3's to my Xbox HDD with this?
- CAN I transfer video files (yay) to it?
- OR is it really just to xfr the Xbox 360's HDD content to my PC if I want to free up some space as it's advertised?
Thanks in advance to these questions. Could somebody please answer them? I suppose it's best to post this on the forum from Datel / Codejunkies (ActionReplay site) where you originally go to to purchase it.
But I'd rather post here so please answer my newb questions.
- Aer
Shopping for me, to the U.S., was $6 dollars and like 50+ cents or something. Like 7-10 days delivery time. That was the ONLY shipping option offered.
Not bad.
Post by: thewasp31 on April 08, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
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Post by: CattyKid on April 08, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
QUOTE(heraldoffailure @ Apr 8 2006, 08:11 AM)
For those of you who have your 360 and computer in seperate rooms (you might need to be made of money as well).
USB Extender that uses CAT5e Cable.
http://www.tigerdire...65746&CatId=444
You can probably find one cheaper somewhere else. But now you know what to look for.
Cool idea, but the link you posted kind of seems like a ripoff. I would assume there are pretty much no electronics in there and it just puts the 4 USB wires and matches them to some CAT5 wires??
I would HOPE we could find it cheaper somewhere else
Post by: loserkid182 on April 08, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(CattyKid @ Apr 8 2006, 06:59 PM)
Cool idea, but the link you posted kind of seems like a ripoff. I would assume there are pretty much no electronics in there and it just puts the 4 USB wires and matches them to some CAT5 wires??
I would HOPE we could find it cheaper somewhere else
http://froogle.googl...oring=mrd&hl=en
Cheapest USB 2.0 one I could find
Also BasicAir - there is a usb cable included but I don't know how long it is.
I'm hoping it can be used with and without being connected to the 360, or as someone else said, that a power doohickey is made for it.
Post by: thewasp31 on April 08, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Thanks guys for noticing this - saved myself a some dosh
Post by: Angerwound on April 08, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
QUOTE(chilin_dude @ Apr 8 2006, 04:32 AM)
Angerwound - You say you can transfer xbox1 saves using this? How?
Yup, hook this up to your 360 HDD and locate the xbox 1 saves directory, (Don't recall exactl location at the moment).
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Apr 8 2006, 10:12 AM)
- CAN I transfer MP3's to my Xbox HDD with this?
It is 'theoretically' possible but hasn't been accomplished yet. The music files are stored much like the xbox1's music collection. They are 192 kbps .wma files with a special header (ID3 Tag Storage). And then finally there is a file called 'mindex' on partition3 that is basically your xbox1 'st.db' file in a way. It keeps a record of all your current music.
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Apr 8 2006, 10:12 AM)
- CAN I transfer video files (yay) to it?
At the moment this doesn't look to be possible. All video files currently being stored on the hdd are within PIRS archives. Meaning they are signed and cannot be changed, therefore; we cannot create our own either.
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Apr 8 2006, 10:12 AM)
- OR is it really just to xfr the Xbox 360's HDD content to my PC if I want to free up some space as it's advertised?
Mainly, this is what it is. But there are lots of other fun stuff you can do with access to the HDD.
Post by: Agent ME on April 08, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on April 08, 2006, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: Jonolche on April 08, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
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1.) You cannot just copy all of your data from your old xbox 360 hard drive and place it on another drive. There are many reasions why this won't work, such as the fact that the Xbox 360 hard drive is a diffrent format than a windows PC (such as FAT).
To the non-tech *as if it can get any simpler that that* some files on the xbox 360 hard drive are locked, such as the way the hard drive operates. These files CANNOT be copied with it.
2.) Yes you can copy files from your old xbox to 360, BUT it will not work with saves other than music and videos. Game saves will not work (for instance Halo 2 modded game saves). Profiles and other things WILL work.
3.)Datel will probally release an docking station as an accessory for it in the future.
4.)M$ will not have a "hissy-fit" over this. The whole product dose not interfear with there 'Terms Limited to Use'
see number 1. Because you cannot transfer market place saves (that you paid for)
5.) You can't just copy music/videos over to your 360 HD. (read angerwounds post).
5.) Yes basically all you can do with it is what is advertised
Otherwise I like the idea of insead of getting a larger hd, just put the files on ur PC.
PS = If anyone has this, what the extenction of the file it saves.
This post has been edited by Jonolche: Apr 9 2006, 01:54 AM
Post by: BasicAir on April 08, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
QUOTE(loserkid182 @ Apr 8 2006, 08:05 PM)
http://froogle.googl...oring=mrd&hl=en
Cheapest USB 2.0 one I could find
Also BasicAir - there is a usb cable included but I don't know how long it is.
I'm hoping it can be used with and without being connected to the 360, or as someone else said, that a power doohickey is made for it.
That item looks cool. I am in the US but at any rate that product looks pricey. Thanks for telling me it does come with a cable.
BUT THAT PRODUCT SAYS, and I QUOTE -- "........ overcoming the typical 15-feet USB cable limitation."
This is news to me.... USB devices can't have a cable more than 15 feet? I smell BS. I never heard of it, it doesn't make sense, and it just seems like a gimmick they're saying to promote their item and sell more of them.
Is it true a USB cable can only be around 15 feet? I can't believe that. It just doesn't make sense.
Can someone confirm is this, please???
I don't think anyone has one yet - then again if they do they'd be in the U.K. I'd imagine, obviously.
They definately aren't in stores here in the U.S. because I checked.
So anyway, I did order one like a lot of ppl in this thread yesterday and hopefully it shipped today but since I'm in the U.S. it's going to take 7-10 days but it's all good.
Post by: BasicAir on April 08, 2006, 10:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 8 2006, 08:51 PM)
Yup, hook this up to your 360 HDD and locate the xbox 1 saves directory, (Don't recall exactl location at the moment).
It is 'theoretically' possible but hasn't been accomplished yet. The music files are stored much like the xbox1's music collection. They are 192 kbps .wma files with a special header (ID3 Tag Storage). And then finally there is a file called 'mindex' on partition3 that is basically your xbox1 'st.db' file in a way. It keeps a record of all your current music.
At the moment this doesn't look to be possible. All video files currently being stored on the hdd are within PIRS archives. Meaning they are signed and cannot be changed, therefore; we cannot create our own either.
Mainly, this is what it is. But there are lots of other fun stuff you can do with access to the HDD.
Thank you for answering my questions. Can you clear up the newest controversy of a question I have about 15 feet being the limit for a USB 2.0 cable? You've got to be kidding me.
And if that's true, then you could bypass that by buying a bunch of 2.0 USB HUBs and stringing them together, couldn't you? (FYI My 360 is about 14 feet from my nearest USB port on my PC across the hallway from my front door to under my HDTV in the stand it sits on).
Also, I am beginning to regret buying this product because it doesn't look like I'll really end up using it.
Oh well - then again I can always eBay it.
eBay couldn't pull the auction because it is an actual product, doesn't violate any MS warranties on the Xbox 360 that I know of, and isn't a "hack" nor a "mod" that allows anything illegal or in violation on the 360 (although some would consider it a hack or a mod that does allow illegal things to take place, us who know what we're talking about know this is ridiculous to call it such terms).Then again it may allow for some things that could violate MS's policieis but if you don't do those things then you don't violate the policy so MS couldn't pull it off their site as an auction. This is obvious anyway, seeing as how it's in stores and being sold like an "action replay" essentially.
Post by: Darkman003 on April 08, 2006, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: Tobb555 on April 09, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Apr 8 2006, 11:42 PM)
Thank you for answering my questions. Can you clear up the newest controversy of a question I have about 15 feet being the limit for a USB 2.0 cable? You've got to be kidding me.
And if that's true, then you could bypass that by buying a bunch of 2.0 USB HUBs and stringing them together, couldn't you? (FYI My 360 is about 14 feet from my nearest USB port on my PC across the hallway from my front door to under my HDTV in the stand it sits on).
Yes that is true, the maximum distance a USB cable can be is 5 meters (16.4 feet) you can extend that distance with a hub. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Post by: loserkid182 on April 09, 2006, 02:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Tobb555 @ Apr 9 2006, 06:17 AM)
Yes that is true, the maximum distance a USB cable can be is 5 meters (16.4 feet) you can extend that distance with a hub. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Post by: mrxbox360 on April 09, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
if i downloaded game saves from the net and get gamerscore.for example if i downloaded call of duty 2 save that was 100% completed the game and i put the save on to the xbox through the Datel XSATA and on to my xbox harddrive would it give me the achivement points from putting the game save on(100% compled the game save) ??? please could anyone tell me.
This post has been edited by mrxbox360: Apr 9 2006, 04:29 PM
Post by: jonboyo on April 09, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
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2.) Yes you can copy files from your old xbox to 360, BUT it will not work with saves other than music and videos. Game saves will not work (for instance Halo 2 modded game saves). Profiles and other things WILL work.
So I can't transfer ANY gamesaves or just certain games....
eg could I transfer PES5 xbox games save with updated kits etc.
Post by: Angerwound on April 09, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: jonboyo on April 09, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 9 2006, 07:23 PM)
Any saves that are signed with a 'No-Roam' Signature cannot be moved. Meaning very few of the backward compatible titles. As well as only 2 of the current 360 games.
So any xbox game whos save could be downloaded from xbox saves( xbox-saves.com) and work on my old chipped xbox will work on the 360?
This post has been edited by jonboyo: Apr 9 2006, 06:32 PM
Post by: Angerwound on April 09, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(jonboyo @ Apr 9 2006, 10:37 AM)
So any xbox game whos save could be downloaded from xbox saves( xbox-saves.com) and work on my old chipped xbox will work on the 360?
Exactly!
Post by: MadPerry on April 09, 2006, 11:50:00 AM
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Post by: mrxbox360 on April 09, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
And can you put videos on to the xbox 360 hard drive if i buy one of these Xsata??
This post has been edited by mrxbox360: Apr 9 2006, 06:59 PM
Post by: LESTAT on April 09, 2006, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(heraldoffailure @ Apr 8 2006, 09:11 AM)
For those of you who have your 360 and computer in seperate rooms (you might need to be made of money as well).
USB Extender that uses CAT5e Cable.
http://www.tigerdire...65746&CatId=444
You can probably find one cheaper somewhere else. But now you know what to look for.
USB Extender that uses CAT5e Cable.
http://www.tigerdire...65746&CatId=444
You can probably find one cheaper somewhere else. But now you know what to look for.
i sell those at work i can sell them to you for about 25 bucks cheaper.
when you call in tell them Paul sent you! you wont get a discount but Mike who will answer the phone will appreciate the business.
http://usbcable.com/cat25.htm part number 47-1782
scroll down untill you see that small extender its $56. we sell many other extenders for straight usb cable or extended over cat5 so take your pick.
Post by: Darkman003 on April 09, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 9 2006, 06:23 PM)
Any saves that are signed with a 'No-Roam' Signature cannot be moved. Meaning very few of the backward compatible titles. As well as only 2 of the current 360 games.
What are these 2 no roam games?
Post by: Angerwound on April 09, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: alexh on April 09, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(katastrofi @ Apr 8 2006, 02:36 AM)
Would this hook up to a already enclosed, plug and play external (possibly networkable) hard drive.
The Datel product is a USB device, it has to connect to a USB host. It is designed to connect to the USB host in your PC but there is no reason why you could not connect it to any other host or something that can pretend to be a host (e.g OTG). HOWEVER nothing "off the shelf" is going to support the XBOX360 filesystem and so nothing is going to work.
QUOTE(Morlok8k @ Apr 8 2006, 09:14 AM)
if i understand you correctly - then yes, it would work - it would be no different than putting a 200gb HDD in your computer as a second HDD and copying everything to that as USB HDD's show up just like any other drive. or even copying the files to your current HDD - but it seems like you have space issues.
As I've said only if you could find an external OTG hard drive you could in theory connect the two directly. Are there any such drives? I dont think so. Even if they did exist, they would not support XBOX360 file system.
You can of course connect the XBOX360 drive via the Datel adapter to a PC and connect another external USB drive to the same PC and copy from one to another that way using 360 xplorer.
Post by: alexh on April 09, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 9 2006, 06:23 PM)
Any saves that are signed with a 'No-Roam' Signature cannot be moved. Meaning very few of the backward compatible titles. As well as only 2 of the current 360 games.
I thought the No-Roam signature was cracked a LONG time ago? PaulB wrote a program called XBox Game Save Re-signer Beta 0.05
http://www.xbox-saves.com/
Perhaps it's impossible to obtain the XBOX360's unique hard drive key required to calculate new ones compatible with the XBOX 1 emulation on the 360?
Given time I am sure this will be possible.
This post has been edited by alexh: Apr 9 2006, 09:17 PM
Post by: BasicAir on April 09, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(loserkid182 @ Apr 9 2006, 09:40 AM)
You would have to use powered hubs to maintain the usb 2.0 speeds, but they are cheap now.
Damn, damn, damn. There's no way I'm stringing together a couple powered USB 2.0 hubs (AC powered?) just to use this so:
Well - when I get this, then, It's going for sale up on eBay. If they sell out early anyone is welcome to buy it from me for the same price they charged me with shipping and I'll ship it to you. Even if they don't sell out I will. I won't even be opening it when I get it in about 10 days.
So contact me if you're interested because it will be unopened, the same price they sell, and if you live in the U.S. you will get it TONS FASTER because you won't have to wait for it to come from the U.K. like I have to since I ordered it off of their site.
Post by: Angerwound on April 09, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
QUOTE(alexh @ Apr 9 2006, 01:14 PM)
I thought the No-Roam signature was cracked a LONG time ago? PaulB wrote a program called XBox Game Save Re-signer Beta 0.05
http://www.xbox-saves.com/
Perhaps it's impossible to obtain the XBOX360's unique hard drive key required to calculate new ones compatible with the XBOX 1 emulation on the 360?
Given time I am sure this will be possible.
In theory, if we knew what the 360 was using in place of the HDD Key we could resign any xbox save for use on the 360. It's not known what is used currently, but it is thought to possibly be the 360 serial number padded with zero's.
Post by: Morlok8k on April 09, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
QUOTE(alexh @ Apr 9 2006, 08:00 PM)
The Datel product is a USB device, it has to connect to a USB host. It is designed to connect to the USB host in your PC but there is no reason why you could not connect it to any other host or something that can pretend to be a host (e.g OTG). HOWEVER nothing "off the shelf" is going to support the XBOX360 filesystem and so nothing is going to work.
As I've said only if you could find an external OTG hard drive you could in theory connect the two directly. Are there any such drives? I dont think so. Even if they did exist, they would not support XBOX360 file system.
You can of course connect the XBOX360 drive via the Datel adapter to a PC and connect another external USB drive to the same PC and copy from one to another that way using 360 xplorer.
ooohhhh.... he meant PC-less. yeah that wouldnt work. you would need a PC because you can only view the contents of the 360 HDD via Xplorer 360 or another similar program. there is no hardware currently vavilable to do that and probably never will.
Post by: SilverDragon on April 09, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Apr 9 2006, 10:50 PM)
In theory, if we knew what the 360 was using in place of the HDD Key we could resign any xbox save for use on the 360. It's not known what is used currently, but it is thought to possibly be the 360 serial number padded with zero's.
Does a forza save on 360 work when you move the HD to another 360? that would probably be helpfull in determining what its signed using.
Post by: tef89 on April 10, 2006, 05:53:00 AM
They'd already taken the money from the credit card but they advise that will refund back in due course.The order tracking system is now showing 44 euro's as the price too.
Post by: Hannard on April 10, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: LESTAT on April 10, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE
You would have to use powered hubs to maintain the usb 2.0 speeds, but they are cheap now.
no they arent cheap they are several hundred dollars... powered usb extenders use either CAT5 or fiber to extend the distance. the limitation of usb is 15feet and even at 15ft many products will puke out. thats why almost all usb cables you get are 6ft
you can chain together a few extenders but it starts to get flakey after 3 of them.
the part i listed that i sell at work isnt cheap i mean its 55 bucks but its cheaper than tiger direct.
but no you can not route it thru a switch or router. USB can not be converted into IP packets. which is what a switch or hub does.
This post has been edited by LESTAT: Apr 10 2006, 05:42 PM
Post by: nagmine on April 11, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 11, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
QUOTE(LESTAT @ Apr 10 2006, 04:48 PM)
no they arent cheap they are several hundred dollars... powered usb extenders use either CAT5 or fiber to extend the distance. the limitation of usb is 15feet and even at 15ft many products will puke out. thats why almost all usb cables you get are 6ft
you can chain together a few extenders but it starts to get flakey after 3 of them.
the part i listed that i sell at work isnt cheap i mean its 55 bucks but its cheaper than tiger direct.
but no you can not route it thru a switch or router. USB can not be converted into IP packets. which is what a switch or hub does.
Umm... several hundred dollars? i can get a USB hub at any computer store for $20 or less - you can get one at Fry's for less than $10 (most under $10 are USB 1.1) - but most of those dont come with a power cord, but you can always buy a universal power cord if you want for some models. for example: http://shop3.outpost...CH:MAIN_RSLT_PG doesnt come with a power cord, but you can get one if you want.
to bypass the 15 ft rule: from the computer to powered hub: 15ft powered hub to 2nd powered hub: 15ft - there! you just got 30ft! you can only do this with 126 hubs though - the maximum number of devices is 127 and you need one for the XSATA. therotcally that will give you 1905ft from the computer to the XSATA.
but that would be expensive.
if you need to go a bit past the 15ft mark, and you can find 2 or 3 cheap powered hubs (and USB extension cords) that would do it.
QUOTE(nagmine @ Apr 11 2006, 03:20 PM)
I was wondering.. would this void your 360s warranty? Not sure if it crosses the line.
i dont see how it would - you are not opening the 360 up. some of the things you might be able to do with the files on the HDD could violate the terms of conditions of xbox live, but not your warranty.
Post by: Lizard King on April 11, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
Obviously the data to the computer does not need the Xbox 360, this device provides that through USB. The only need it would have for the 360 is power, if that (it may get it's power from USB). In other words, leave this by the computer, instead of installing it on the 360 - You can't put this is backwards or break the rather fragile looking cards I've seen so far.
Who's with me here? We might have to modify for power, but so far it's the best offering out there.
This post has been edited by Lizard King: Apr 12 2006, 12:07 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 12, 2006, 03:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Apr 11 2006, 11:12 PM)
What I think a couple of people are missing here is the form factor of the unit. This is not some homebrew radio-shack laserjet-printed-and-etched circuit board - this is an attractive base for the HD (albeit a base that sits on top of the 360, but a base nonethless).
Obviously the data to the computer does not need the Xbox 360, this device provides that through USB. The only need it would have for the 360 is power, if that (it may get it's power from USB). In other words, leave this by the computer, instead of installing it on the 360 - You can't put this is backwards or break the rather fragile looking cards I've seen so far.
Who's with me here? We might have to modify for power, but so far it's the best offering out there.
yes, you are right - it is a nice commercial edition adapter. but it is much more expensive than those other adapters. if you want something cheap that works - use that.
Hard drives (i know with IDE/ATA types, not sure with SATA - but must be the same) use 5v and 12v power. since USB only provides 5v, the xbox 360 must be on to provide power. maybe it has a 12v power cord adapter - i dont know. but if not, it could be modified in such a way to provide it - so it can be used as a base next to your computer.
me? i probably wont modify it - my 360 is close enough to my computer. but if it is possible - i might change the blue to green. if i cant - or too difficult (i'm lazy) or expensive then i wont
Post by: Martinchris23 on April 12, 2006, 04:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Hannard @ Apr 10 2006, 04:40 PM)
Mine says 'completed and dispatched' - so presumably I'm going to get mine. If not, I'll raise merry hell. IANAL but from what I recall about basic consumer law, at least in the UK, once they've taken the money and confirmed the order, they can't back out.
You're quite right - if they've confirmed the order and have dispatched, they've accepted the terms of sale as stated in the Sale of Goods Act.
I actually wrote to the support email address as my worldpay order showed one price and the recently ordered items on my account showed the item in UKP.
They confirmed I had been charged the lesser amount. Cool!
Post by: alsybub on April 12, 2006, 07:59:00 AM
Also when I ring th UK help line it doesn't even go to codejunkies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: tef89 on April 12, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(alsybub @ Apr 12 2006, 02:06 PM)
Ha anyone received their's yet? I ordered mine immediately with next day delivery and it still isn't here
Also when I ring th UK help line it doesn't even go to codejunkies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got the email from WorlPay confirming they've refunded my order back to my card - also the UK phone number goes thru to MaxTV which is owned by Datel (I think ?) Codejunkies is a front-end for Datel, so they should be able to help you with any enquiry - they did me
Post by: metaldevil on April 12, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
QUOTE(alsybub @ Apr 12 2006, 10:06 AM)
Ha anyone received their's yet? I ordered mine immediately with next day delivery and it still isn't here
I decided to call the service number in Florida (727-431-0650) to see what's up with this thing. The operator said that this product is not in stock. So I asked if it's so popular that it's already sold out. The operator said that there is no projected date for its release. That means that you guys that have ponied up the dough for this thing were really paying for a pre-order in full.I'm not trying to aggravate you guys, but I urge someone else to call and confirm.
Post by: remstrus on April 12, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
I have had no reply to numerous emails sent either.
Phil
Just got through to EU customer services, they say NO ONE has received their order as stocks have not been received at all.
Looks like they are operating a pre-order scheme WITHOUT telling the customer
Phil
*********UPDATE*********
Have you guy's seen the US and EU site?
You now cannot buy XSATA on either site, it says coming soon!
Phil
Post by: Darkman003 on April 12, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(remstrus @ Apr 12 2006, 07:00 PM)
Here in the UK the 'Customer Services' number is permanently busy, my order status says despatched but I have had no deliveries here
I have had no reply to numerous emails sent either.
Phil
Just got through to EU customer services, they say NO ONE has received their order as stocks have not been received at all.
Looks like they are operating a pre-order scheme WITHOUT telling the customer
Phil
*********UPDATE*********
Have you guy's seen the US and EU site?
You now cannot buy XSATA on either site, it says coming soon!
Phil
Or maybe its just now Sold Out? IF not that total BS because when i ordered it it said "in shops NOW" as in ready to buy and shit...so im amussing early summer is bec it got all sold out? IDK but is BS if i have to wait 2 months to get it i want my money back..
Post by: metaldevil on April 12, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
QUOTE(remstrus @ Apr 12 2006, 02:00 PM)
Have you guy's seen the US and EU site?
You now cannot buy XSATA on either site, it says coming soon!
Yep, it's just like the guy told me. They were just selling pre-orders for the device.You now cannot buy XSATA on either site, it says coming soon!
They even pulled it from their product line-up: link. It used to be the top item on that page. You can't even search for it because their search feature is down. I was considering getting one of these, but I guess I won't bother ordering from them now (maybe when they're widely available if something better hasn't come along).
Edit:
QUOTE(codejunkies)
XSATA for Xbox 360 is coming soon. As always, will be available direct from Datel's Codejunkies Shop for a mere $39.99. Look out for it early this Summer...
Link.
Post by: alsybub on April 12, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
At least everyone is in the same boat. I can't believe Datel has done this!
This post has been edited by alsybub: Apr 12 2006, 11:41 PM
Post by: LESTAT on April 12, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
i mean seriously if you can get in the middle of the xbox and its communication with the 360 what do they expect. ? you could copy entire game cache files to the pc and start hacking games and whatever.
id almost bet you there was a real quick easy way to hack it to explore the dvd drive also.. i knwo that sounds lame but its not unlikely..
anyways this really sucks balls for all of us.. as you can bet that if it does come out you wont be able to use it with the 360 running the way you can now. maybe take off the hard drive and then pull data and only from certain partitions. maybe they will force datel to lock you out of all the partitions.. who knows but this sucks...
Post by: bummer on April 12, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
-bummer
Post by: Morlok8k on April 13, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
well - i'll just wait to buy it when other people get theirs. or maybe when i get my next paycheck - i dont know.
Post by: JMan8108 on April 13, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 13, 2006, 04:32:00 PM
QUOTE(JMan8108 @ Apr 13 2006, 10:14 PM)
this is a great idea for datel but do you guys really have ur hdd almost full? I have 6 demos and all my gamesaves and i still have like 9gig left. Im not gonna take the time to rip all my music onto my 360 so i see my HDD lasting quite a while... at any rate way cool product
well i looked the other day at my hard drive free space and it said 2 gigs, so i deleted a lot of trailers and demos that i didnt watch or play. now i have 9 gigs.
but if the DirecTV thing gets included with in a future update so we can download and watch TV on the xbox, then you might go through space real quick!
Post by: BasicAir on April 13, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(tef89 @ Apr 12 2006, 05:13 PM)
Just got the email from WorlPay confirming they've refunded my order back to my card - also the UK phone number goes thru to MaxTV which is owned by Datel (I think ?) Codejunkies is a front-end for Datel, so they should be able to help you with any enquiry - they did me
Please tell me how you got your refund from WorlPay.
I need this information badly because I did not intend on buying a product that was "in stores now" and now is scheduled for a summer release. What bullcrap. I am so pissed.
Please tell me. Worlpay's site doesn't show any phone number I can find.
Can you please tell me what phone number you dialed and/or what email address you used to get a refund?
Thank you in advance.
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on April 13, 2006, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 13, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(edwinmcdunlap @ Apr 14 2006, 12:37 AM)
It's good to see that someone actually made an adapter like this and sold it, unlike the various companies that showed pics of their own crappy looking adapters and did nothing.
currently just pre-orders, but yes, it is a great product (at least in concept - nobody has them yet except for datel's prototype.)
anyways - since these things havent been made yet, and Datel has probably looked at this thread (because they are active members of the scene) - they might have made the decision to make the light green (or have different colors, etc.)
fingers crossed
Post by: metaldevil on April 14, 2006, 09:40:00 AM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Apr 13 2006, 07:57 PM)
Can you please tell me what phone number you dialed and/or what email address you used to get a refund?
I got this info from Datel's site:QUOTE
Technical Support Inquries for Datel products
Call: 727-431-0650
For the US
Tech Support 727-431-0650
24 Hour Toll Free Code Line 1-800-883-5078
Tech Support by Email [email protected]
For Canada
Tech Support 866-557-5596
24 Hour Toll Free Code Line 1-800-883-5078
Tech Support by Email [email protected]
Call: 727-431-0650
For the US
Tech Support 727-431-0650
24 Hour Toll Free Code Line 1-800-883-5078
Tech Support by Email [email protected]
For Canada
Tech Support 866-557-5596
24 Hour Toll Free Code Line 1-800-883-5078
Tech Support by Email [email protected]
The first number there is the one I called to inquire about the product. That's when I found out that they're just selling pre-orders.
Post by: BasicAir on April 14, 2006, 02:17:00 PM
QUOTE(metaldevil @ Apr 14 2006, 04:47 PM)
I got this info from Datel's site:
The first number there is the one I called to inquire about the product. That's when I found out that they're just selling pre-orders.
Uh, no offense and with all due respect, I've called them 100 times.
They never answer their phones (even during normal business hours).
No matter which option I choose It says "please wait while we contact you with a representative" after I puse 1 for this 2 for that, etc (you know the number pushing game before an operator) or 0 for an operator.
Then immediately it always says, everytime I call and others said the same on this board that this is true - it says they are all busy and to try again and/or visit the site again for more help.
What crap.
Sometimes it will let you leave a voicemail, depending on the department, but I've left a lot of them being very respectful and mature and professional yet still nothing. I've been trying to contact them since the day I bought the thing on the 8th or whenever that was, so almost a week.
I know of these numbers, bro. I appreciate you trying to help but I'm not retarded - I know where and how to find numbers to call for companies on their websites (rofl). Like I said, though, no disrespect towards you and no I am not flaming you so don't take this as me being disrespectful towards you.
-------------------
Anyway, check this out. I go to CodeJunkies and check order status and it says no orders. I go to my online banking on my bank's website and wow I have the charge.
I purchased it through the CodeJunkies website so it should have shown up in there, even though they are ran by Datel.
How are you other people saying your order says "dispacthed" and such when mine doesn't even show up on the CodeJunkies website?
Also, I have the email in my email inbox still from from April 8th, the minute I purchased it confirming it FROM "[email protected]" with the subject being "Your CodeJunkies Order is Complete" and the email says:
Dear XXXXXX XXXXXXXX,
Your order, XXXXXXXXX, has now been completed.
For further information or assistance please contact customer services on
0845 6010015 or email [email protected].
You can also write to:
Customer Services
Datel Direct Ltd
Stafford Road
Stone
Staffs
United Kingdom
ST15 0DG
Regards,
Customer Services
-------
Yet, once again, it says no orders found on their site!! Plus, like I said, they don't answer any emails nor phone calls.
I'm going to contact my bank on Monday and get a chargeback and possibly contact my lawyer and file a couple of lawsuits with the main one being false advertisement of the "In Stores Now" when I purchased it.
This is insanely ridiculous.
-BasicAir
Post by: hurlamania on April 14, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(edwinmcdunlap @ Apr 13 2006, 08:37 PM)
It's good to see that someone actually made an adapter like this and sold it, unlike the various companies that showed pics of their own crappy looking adapters and did nothing.
AH I got my adapter sometime ago from a "various company" and you can say it's crappy looking but it works and works well... All i gotta do is pop the HDD off the 360 and plug it into my pc and im ready to go...
(Have to power down PC first of course)
Oh and it was only 15 bucks...
if you know what your doing id get one for now it can be used later to power the datel unit as a standalone... if you are handy.
http://www.360sata.com/index.php
Currently SOLD OUT but should be in any day now...
Post by: Darkman003 on April 14, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(hurlamania @ Apr 14 2006, 10:35 PM)
AH I got my adapter sometime ago from a "various company" and you can say it's crappy looking but it works and works well... All i gotta do is pop the HDD off the 360 and plug it into my pc and im ready to go...
(Have to power down PC first of course)
Oh and it was only 15 bucks...
if you know what your doing id get one for now it can be used later to power the datel unit as a standalone... if you are handy.
http://www.360sata.com/index.php
Currently SOLD OUT but should be in any day now...
This sucks, i have a newer computer but im running a raid so i dont have any extra Sata ports
Post by: hurlamania on April 14, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
FYI: even if your HDD has 14 gigs free the image bin will always be full size
Post by: Darkman003 on April 15, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(hurlamania @ Apr 15 2006, 03:16 AM)
are those where your OS is, if not you can disconnect for a minute and dump the 360 HDD (it's real quick) makes a 18 gig bin file and you can then play with it for hours of fun, also you can get a sata pci card or a sata to usb adapter. i know the sata to usb atapters are 25-30 bucks average I imagine you can get the sata pci card a lot cheaper.
FYI: even if your HDD has 14 gigs free the image bin will always be full size
I run a raid0 two raptors... i need both connected to boot let alone do anything =\ but yah 14 for the hard drive reader then another 20 for the pci card then shipping...just isnt worth it..
Post by: Darkman003 on April 15, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 15, 2006, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkman003 @ Apr 15 2006, 06:26 PM)
I guess ic an just get the transfer kit at bestbuy and buy a memory card also..
a memory card itself runs about $40. it would be cheaper to wait for and buy the xsata
Post by: Darkman003 on April 15, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
40 for memory then 14 for the transfer kit no shipping plus i have a 40 dolla gift card to gamestop
47 for the xsata (plus shipping)
not to mention it will be nice having the memory card itself (no risk in screwing up the hard drive saves)
This post has been edited by Darkman003: Apr 16 2006, 04:44 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on April 16, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: metaldevil on April 16, 2006, 05:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Morlok8k @ Apr 15 2006, 07:00 PM)
it would be cheaper to wait for and buy the xsata
Yep. That's what I'm doing. If and when they release it, I'll also read the reviews/problems people post here.Someone mentioned that the device needs to be connected and powered by the 360 in order to communicate with your computer. I hope Datel finds a workaround for this because my PC and 360 are in two separate rooms, and I don't feel like running the 360 back-and-forth. Like I said, though, I'll wait for the praises/complaints before plunking down the green.
Post by: Lizard King on April 16, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
I'm just interested in this for the form factor.
Post by: Morlok8k on April 18, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(metaldevil @ Apr 16 2006, 11:52 AM)
Yep. That's what I'm doing. If and when they release it, I'll also read the reviews/problems people post here.
Someone mentioned that the device needs to be connected and powered by the 360 in order to communicate with your computer. I hope Datel finds a workaround for this because my PC and 360 are in two separate rooms, and I don't feel like running the 360 back-and-forth. Like I said, though, I'll wait for the praises/complaints before plunking down the green.
Think about it. all HDD's use 5v and 12v power. USB only has 5v power. unless it comes with a Wall-plug power adapter, the 360 would have to be ON.
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Apr 16 2006, 06:07 PM)
As I've stated before, I'm going to order this just for the form factor. If the 360 is needed for power, then I'll gut it and wire in outside power.
I'm just interested in this for the form factor.
exactly. it would probably be easy to modify if it didnt come with an adapter. and it does look sweet as well.
Post by: remstrus on April 27, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
I had an email today . . .
I am afraid that this item is out of stock. We are expecting to start despatching the XSATA during the week commencing 10th May.
Kind Regards
Codejunkies Support
Keeping my fingers crossed . . . . .
Post by: Morlok8k on April 27, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
thats more than i want to spend. if anybody preordered one at $39 and doesnt want it, i'll buy it (for no more than $50 shipped.)
Post by: metaldevil on May 25, 2006, 01:36:00 AM
QUOTE(remstrus @ Apr 27 2006, 12:20 PM)
We are expecting to start despatching the XSATA during the week commencing 10th May.
It's been two weeks since May 10th. Have any of you received your XSATA yet?
Also, have you been charged the extra $10 like Morlok mentioned?
This post has been edited by metaldevil: May 25 2006, 08:36 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on May 25, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
for those of you living in the UK, buy it with Euros off their site - much cheaper! (still not as cheap as USD though)
Post by: bummer on May 25, 2006, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: Morlok8k on May 25, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
QUOTE(bummer @ May 25 2006, 03:54 PM)
I ordered this when it was first announced but was later told that they did not have any in stock. Just checked my order on codejunkies site, and it still says out of stock. wtf....
check on it every few days and let us know
Post by: ikecomp on May 26, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: metaldevil on May 26, 2006, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(ikecomp @ May 26 2006, 01:07 PM)
It shows up as being in-stock right now. Under Availibility it says immediately.
That's been like that for some time now. I think bummer's reply is accurate because he checked his actual order. If it shows up as "out of stock" for those that have already paid in full, then the status of the product hasn't changed regardless of what their site claims. Since no one has said that they received their XSATA yet, that should be a good indication to not place an order for it yet.
Post by: ikecomp on May 26, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: Morlok8k on May 26, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
I've already spent my biweekly allowance on xbox 360 stuff so i'll have to wait for my next paycheck (i give myself $60 per paycheck to buy games and other things for my game systems - otherwise i would spend my entire check!).
Post by: Lizard King on May 26, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
Honestly, the money isn't a big deal, my savings on shipping will far outweigh any interest the $40 would gain, and despite claims of being days away, other than 360sata's first batch (which i missed), noone has been able to get any out to market.
I'm letting it ride. My money's staying on this one until another HDD adapter comes out, if one arrives first. Then i'll fight the charge through my credit card company to save me the hassle of 30+ minutes on the phone with Datel.
Post by: Morlok8k on May 27, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
Post by: SupremeWarlord on May 29, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: bummer on May 30, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: SupremeWarlord on May 30, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
"Unfortunately, there was a delay in the release of the Xbox 360 XSATA.
The XSATA is currently in the final production stages and orders for
this item are expected to ship during the 2nd week of June.
We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause."
I think this is good news
, but then again it could be delayed again. Post by: alsybub on May 31, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
This is the mail I recently got from them. Only tooka month!
QUOTE
We apologise for the delay on your order we are expecting the xsata to be ready for shipment in the next 7-14days
Kind Regards
Support
Kind Regards
Support
We'll see.
Post by: SupremeWarlord on June 09, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: SupremeWarlord on June 13, 2006, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: alsybub on June 14, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
Play.com has the release date as "availability: Due for release on 30/06/2006"
Post by: SupremeWarlord on June 18, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(alsybub @ Jun 14 2006, 05:32 PM)
Still nothing.
Play.com has the release date as "availability: Due for release on 30/06/2006"
I hate datel, lawsuit for false advertisement,
, jk I won't sue for something that small......maybe if I fall down the stairs when my package comes on the 30th
"but... I wasn't expecting it to come two months late, it caught me off gaurd"
Yeah that would go over well in court.
Post by: almirf on June 19, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
how this xsata works?
im can transfer the files of my hd of xbox 360 to my pc ?
im need to put xbox 360 near my pc?
or im can turn on only my hd of my xbox 360 near the pc ?
Thanks
Almir
Post by: metaldevil on June 20, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
I'm still surprised that no one's gotten their XSATA yet.
Post by: lukero1977 on June 20, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(metaldevil @ Jun 20 2006, 04:10 PM)
^ Read the thread. All your questions have been answered.
I'm still surprised that no one's gotten their XSATA yet.
I got my Xsata today!!! two months after ordering it
I must admit i was initially surprised at how cheap it looked and felt but after fitting it in it is well designed and looks ok. I've not used it yet but I will a bit later after the football.
by the way I ordered this the day after it was announced on the 8th of april, I also only paid 23 euros as it was a glitch in the system at the time, it's now £39.99
it also comes packaged with a cd that has xplorere 360 on it, i didn't know they had an affil with them. but from the manual it wouldseem they do, it's worded that way.
Post by: metaldevil on June 20, 2006, 10:53:00 PM
We should see some reviews coming in soon.
Post by: lukero1977 on June 21, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
It looks quite basic to be honest. from the pre release shots it looks like a solid unit but upon receiving it, it is more like a hollow shell. You can see and touch all the circuit boards, it has two sata cables and one cable from the usb port on the main circuit board, also has a flimsy lead to connect to the hdd port on the 360 that you have to push in yourself. it's a weird little thing but it works well
Build quality : 7
Useability : 9
overall : 8
This thing is a real bugger to remove, unlike the hdd it has no clip to press, yu have to nearly break the thing to get it out, be aware.
Post by: metaldevil on June 21, 2006, 03:02:00 AM
QUOTE(lukero1977 @ Jun 21 2006, 02:47 AM)
I have taken some detailed pics of the item but have no way of uploading them to the net to show people, can anyone help?
http://photobucket.com/http://www.imageshack.us/
http://xs.to/
Post by: lukero1977 on June 21, 2006, 05:28:00 AM
Here's a few pics of the xsata from a few angles, i'll upload some better ones when I get a chance
Post by: metaldevil on June 21, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
You're right: it does look flimsy.
Post by: Hier0phant on June 22, 2006, 01:33:00 AM
just opened the box, and i have to say build quality is pants
i reckon if you're a bit hamfisted you could damage either the HD or the 360's HD slot
took me a good 10mins to marry it up properly, but once connected it works fine, which i guess makes up for its shoddy workmanship
once on, i'd leave it in place tho, as i think repeated removal/attachment could make it worse
having said all that, it does exactly what it says on the tin, so its time to poke about on my HD
PS. the lovely blue glow on the advertising pics does not happen, coupla little LEDs on the back end set to glow thru a serrated plastic piece that runs down the side, the effect being you get light at the back & a bit at the front, so i think i'll replace those with green ones to fit in with my standard 360 (surface mounts are toooooo small for my old eyes to replace on the 360 itself)
Post by: Morlok8k on June 23, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1142290252885
Which means that it will be in stores within the next few days! Hot Diggity!
Post by: SigmaXIX on June 23, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
Anybody else with this?
Post by: jammasterjay on June 24, 2006, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(SigmaXIX @ Jun 24 2006, 01:13 AM)
Can anybody get the HARD DRIVE to be detected by the X360 Dashboard when the thing is plugged-in to the PC? I have to unplug the USB cable in order for the dashboard to detect my HDD... weird?
Anybody else with this?
if you read the instructions it tells you in there that the xbox 360 wont see the hard drive while the usb is connected and also connected to the pc, you need to remove the usb cable and restart the xbox 360 for it to see the hard drive again
jmj
Post by: SigmaXIX on June 24, 2006, 06:36:00 AM
QUOTE(jammasterjay @ Jun 24 2006, 10:31 AM)
if you read the instructions it tells you in there that the xbox 360 wont see the hard drive while the usb is connected and also connected to the pc, you need to remove the usb cable and restart the xbox 360 for it to see the hard drive again
jmj
Darn... I wondered if this thing could've been used to inject cache files while playing online in order to, well, hack the 'box
. Guess not
Post by: Morlok8k on June 24, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
man, i cant wait for it to show up at my local bestbuy... (why pay for shipping, when i live almost next to a Bestbuy?)
Anymore Pictures? or bigger pics?
Post by: j0ey on June 24, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: Hier0phant on June 26, 2006, 05:32:00 AM
in the pics where the blue looks stronger, thats the camera without flash
where it looks almost non-existant, thats with flash on
*EDIT* click 'em for bigger pics
Post by: j0ey on June 26, 2006, 11:41:00 PM
Post by: Morlok8k on June 27, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: shirleytravis on November 10, 2009, 12:34:00 AM
This is fun...I am excited to do this...
Thanks for helping..regards,
shirley
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