Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 12:48:00 AM
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: icantstandtoburntolong on October 27, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 27, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 27, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
Past that the batteries last for 40 hours and warn you when they are 4 hours away from dying. Meaning you have plenty of time to hook up your play and charge kit or to replace your batteries.
I honestly don't know how you can complain when both the PS3 and the Revolution give you NO WIRED OPTIONS AT ALL.
Sure the PS3 has 6 usb ports... but it's not like they have any controllers that can actually use them..
If you want to avoid wireless problems then use Wireless A for Wi-fi and 900MHz for your phone and the 2.4GHz will have nothing to compete with.
Not to mention they have a Wireless Adapter so it means they've tested and proved the two can live harmoniously.
Honestly the Only device I've ever had cause problems with other things is phones... Phones have messed up my Wireless Network, My Wireless Keyboard/Mouse, My GameCube Wavebirds Etc. As soon as I dumped my xGhz cordless phones for 900Mhz models all of the problems vanished.
A little bit of research would save you a lot of aggravation.
Post by: Poppeseed on October 27, 2005, 08:13:00 AM
Oh and one more thing, MS said they tested the 360 with common household items to check for interference,and then picked a different range that none of them used. Yes, I know it fucked up Walmart, but are those common household items? umm no.
Plus, if it interferes with your wireless network, then just go with 802.11n. I could use it if i wanted, but then my Mac wouldn't support it.
Post by: PhatheadWRX on October 27, 2005, 08:32:00 AM
MS could have just put 4 ports in the front and been done. It is hidden behind the plate anyway. Would have cost them an extra $1/console
An ugly hub sitting in front of my sleek 360 is not what I want.
I'm not worried about the wireless issues, but honestly MS it would not have changed anything to add two more ports. The most they would have to do is maybe have them horozontial rather than verticle.
Post by: ikecomp on October 27, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Poppeseed @ Oct 27 2005, 09:24 AM)
You all just need to shove it. My network, 802.11g, dones't mess with my phone, which is 2.4ghz. They work together wonderfully. Then I have another phone, guess what? its 2.4ghz. And I have another one, its 4.8ghz, so there's no competition right there. My Logitech mouse? Works with my Logitech controller just fine.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Poppeseed on October 27, 2005, 09:47:00 AM
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Post by: Poppeseed on October 27, 2005, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(ikecomp @ Oct 27 2005, 10:22 AM)
I thought phones were either 900 Mhz 2.4 Ghz or 5.8 Ghz 
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: thejt on October 27, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
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Yeah, I dont want any usb hub sitting next to my 360.. theres enough crap surrounding my current xbox. I think MS even said simplicity, less cluttered is better.. and now this
Apparently some people dont have any issues with wireless controllers... I had 6 logitech wireless and I dont use but of them any more because there are just to many freaky thinks that happen for me when I get more than one running. That and the fact that stuff gets so bad that I chuck them out into the street in a fit of rage when they are being funny so now I only have 3 working.
I understand things could just be great... and all of the reasons this could suck just wont be a problem but I highly doubt it.. but mainly like it was said before, why not just put four ports in front... then you KNOW you have a surefire way to play four player no matter what the circumstance!
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: scooby_dooby on October 27, 2005, 12:15:00 PM
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My god some people find the stupidest things to bitch about.
How bout this, buy a god damn battery charger!! Get 12 batteries, you will have back up batteries for 2 controllers at a time. It'll cost you what? $20-$30? Get over it.
Who the hell sits around and plays 4 player split screen on a regular basis anyways? MS doesn't need to worry about that 0.1% of gamers.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: jaskerzada006 on October 27, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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You're right....it's just $30 bucks....I'm taking my $30 bucks from you asshole.
Get over it.
But I think those who play 4 player split screen on a daily basis is pretty much everyone with Halo 2 but don't have Live......which is actually the majority of gamers.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
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I agree it's a small margin of players.. but given as simple as it would be for MS to solve it that does suck for them.. I'm lucky to have 2 players going myself but I still think it's crap and support their complaint.
I also don't use wireless stuff (my phone is 900mhz) but I support the argument that this could cause problems... it is FACT that this stuff (2.4ghz stuff) causes interference with stuff... from Microwaves killing wifi to messing with cell phones and various other stuff.. the walmart stuff is just a bad omen and get over it if you don't have problems you aren't the whole world and I think ANY scientific study doesn't go "oh it works for you, ok that's solved" so if you don't have like 100 examples of it being interference free then you can't tell people to stop worring/bitching as it's a valid concern.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: m_hael on October 27, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
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the oposite argument works just as well.. you can't say there is a wholesale problem when all you have is a couple of cases regarding industrial machines... has anyone had any issues WITHIN the home yet? Somehow I doubt it.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
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I agree.. but does that mean we stop voicing our concerns? I KNOW of wifi that "breaks" due to other items in the house being used so it is a viable issue.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: crosseye on October 27, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
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Ummm hello...Everyone is missing the biggest point in this argument. Wal-mart does not use FCC approved devices in their store. The interference is because their devices are not standard and they are wireless. Since they are not guaranteed to block incoming or outgoing interference, then they have the possibility of both recieving, which they are, and giving. The system you are refering to are called the SMART systems at wal-mart. they are the only ones having problems.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
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Dude, EVERYTHING sold no matter if it's commercial or not has to follow FCC standards... the problem IS that there aren't really any FCC standards for 2.4ghz there are basically suggestions but it's an open frequency.
Yes this is all "speculation" but if we aren't allowed to speculate then what the fuck are we doing here as there is not many people that has FACTS about the 360 right now.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 27, 2005, 02:34:00 PM
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As for the ugliness of the USB hub... who's to say they wont make the official one flush mount with the front of the console? After all the ports are set far enough back and that would make sense as to why the USB ports are behind a door like that.
On another note wouldn't it be funny if MS only allowed a max of 2 wired controllers...
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
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curious to how though hubs will be treated differently than other usb devices since there is supposedly security stuff in all the devices but hubs won't count???
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 27, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
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Post by: thejt on October 27, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
Apparently some people dont have any issues with wireless controllers... I had 6 logitech wireless and I dont use but of them any more because there are just to many freaky thinks that happen for me when I get more than one running. That and the fact that stuff gets so bad that I chuck them out into the street in a fit of rage when they are being funny so now I only have 3 working.
I understand things could just be great... and all of the reasons this could suck just wont be a problem but I highly doubt it.. but mainly like it was said before, why not just put four ports in front... then you KNOW you have a surefire way to play four player no matter what the circumstance!
Post by: scooby_dooby on October 27, 2005, 12:15:00 PM
How bout this, buy a god damn battery charger!! Get 12 batteries, you will have back up batteries for 2 controllers at a time. It'll cost you what? $20-$30? Get over it.
Who the hell sits around and plays 4 player split screen on a regular basis anyways? MS doesn't need to worry about that 0.1% of gamers.
Post by: jaskerzada006 on October 27, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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My god some people find the stupidest things to bitch about.
How bout this, buy a god damn battery charger!! Get 12 batteries, you will have back up batteries for 2 controllers at a time. It'll cost you what? $20-$30? Get over it.
Who the hell sits around and plays 4 player split screen on a regular basis anyways? MS doesn't need to worry about that 0.1% of gamers.
How bout this, buy a god damn battery charger!! Get 12 batteries, you will have back up batteries for 2 controllers at a time. It'll cost you what? $20-$30? Get over it.
Who the hell sits around and plays 4 player split screen on a regular basis anyways? MS doesn't need to worry about that 0.1% of gamers.
You're right....it's just $30 bucks....I'm taking my $30 bucks from you asshole.
Get over it.
But I think those who play 4 player split screen on a daily basis is pretty much everyone with Halo 2 but don't have Live......which is actually the majority of gamers.
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
I also don't use wireless stuff (my phone is 900mhz) but I support the argument that this could cause problems... it is FACT that this stuff (2.4ghz stuff) causes interference with stuff... from Microwaves killing wifi to messing with cell phones and various other stuff.. the walmart stuff is just a bad omen and get over it if you don't have problems you aren't the whole world and I think ANY scientific study doesn't go "oh it works for you, ok that's solved" so if you don't have like 100 examples of it being interference free then you can't tell people to stop worring/bitching as it's a valid concern.
Post by: m_hael on October 27, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: crosseye on October 27, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
Yes this is all "speculation" but if we aren't allowed to speculate then what the fuck are we doing here as there is not many people that has FACTS about the 360 right now.
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 27, 2005, 02:34:00 PM
As for the ugliness of the USB hub... who's to say they wont make the official one flush mount with the front of the console? After all the ports are set far enough back and that would make sense as to why the USB ports are behind a door like that.
On another note wouldn't it be funny if MS only allowed a max of 2 wired controllers...
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 27, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 27 2005, 04:50 PM)
curious to how though hubs will be treated differently than other usb devices since there is supposedly security stuff in all the devices but hubs won't count???
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: xboxmodder4life on October 27, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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u guys do realize MS spent tons of $$$ and time researching these wireless controllers and the hole setup, so i some how doubt a normal person with 2.4ghz router and phone is going to have issues. I gaurantee MS sat down and tested all the possible setups within a house. I'm sure the walmart thing happened because they never considered the normal place a XBOX360 would be played would be a walmart with tons of wireless scanners and what not.
I think its safe to say we'll be all set within our houses. As far as the 2 usb ports again a 10$ usb hub will solve these issues if its all that big of an issue to have a usb hub infront of the xbox360 u have some serious OCD issues. Considering you'd have wires and shit coming from the xbox360 what does it matter if theres a little 3x5inch rectangle or whatever size it is
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 04:17:00 PM
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Post by: xboxmodder4life on October 27, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
I think its safe to say we'll be all set within our houses. As far as the 2 usb ports again a 10$ usb hub will solve these issues if its all that big of an issue to have a usb hub infront of the xbox360 u have some serious OCD issues. Considering you'd have wires and shit coming from the xbox360 what does it matter if theres a little 3x5inch rectangle or whatever size it is
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 04:17:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Oct 27 2005, 04:55 PM)
u guys do realize MS spent tons of $$$ and time researching these wireless controllers and the hole setup, so i some how doubt a normal person with 2.4ghz router and phone is going to have issues. I gaurantee MS sat down and tested all the possible setups within a house. I'm sure the walmart thing happened because they never considered the normal place a XBOX360 would be played would be a walmart with tons of wireless scanners and what not.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: whiteblur67 on October 27, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
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Post by: whiteblur67 on October 27, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 27 2005, 09:06 AM)
the Revolution give you NO WIRED OPTIONS AT ALL.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: incognegro on October 27, 2005, 05:31:00 PM
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Aremt those prots only for bc by the way?
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on October 27, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
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This is the dumbest thread ever. Just swap out who is charging. Its not that hard.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on October 27, 2005, 05:31:00 PM
Aremt those prots only for bc by the way?
Post by: throwingks on October 27, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on October 27, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
QUOTE(throwingks @ Oct 27 2005, 07:03 PM)
This is the dumbest thread ever. Just swap out who is charging. Its not that hard.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on October 27, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
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if you can shell out almost $700 dollars for the premium plus a game plus 3 more controllers you can afford $10 to upgrade 1 controller to a wireless. For 2 wireless and 2 wired.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Moleman on October 27, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
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The Xbox 360 was designed to be wireless from the ground up. The wired controllers are an option for those who cannot afford it or request them for whatever reason, just like the core package. If you really need more than three USB ports, get a hub. If you do not use the 360 as it was designed, you have to sacrifice form for functionality.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
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christ some people where are thick.
the battery lasts for 40 hours. who the fuck will play for 40 hours straight? if you do, you have problems.
and the fact that it gives you a warning when its got 4 hours to go is lots. take a break every now and then, and you will be fine.
and if you to stubborn to do that, get a usb hub that looks good (yes, they are made), and use that.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 28, 2005, 07:26:00 AM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
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Post by: throwingks on October 27, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: Moleman on October 27, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
the battery lasts for 40 hours. who the fuck will play for 40 hours straight? if you do, you have problems.
and the fact that it gives you a warning when its got 4 hours to go is lots. take a break every now and then, and you will be fine.
and if you to stubborn to do that, get a usb hub that looks good (yes, they are made), and use that.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 28, 2005, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Oct 29 2005, 12:37 AM)
because your hand muscles won't work!
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: KAGE360 on October 28, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
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as it was said before the system was built for the ground up with wireless in mind. they have done everything they could do to make that simple for you (if an indicator on your controller isnt good enough i dont know what is) and if you dont like it you can still have up to 3 wired controllers to play with friends.
honestly i like the wireless idea and if any of my friends want to play split screen then they can buy their own damn controller and bring it over.
you get a play and charge kit for $20 and play to your hearts content, whats the big deal??
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 29, 2005, 01:26:00 AM
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 28, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
as it was said before the system was built for the ground up with wireless in mind. they have done everything they could do to make that simple for you (if an indicator on your controller isnt good enough i dont know what is) and if you dont like it you can still have up to 3 wired controllers to play with friends.
honestly i like the wireless idea and if any of my friends want to play split screen then they can buy their own damn controller and bring it over.
you get a play and charge kit for $20 and play to your hearts content, whats the big deal??
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 29, 2005, 01:26:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Oct 29 2005, 10:44 AM)
people will look for any reason to down MS and complain about the 360, but they will also be the first ones in line to buy one
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: incognegro on October 29, 2005, 07:24:00 AM
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yea theyre alot of nitpickers round here, i remember the digital buttons thread.......ppl were cry over the lack of analog buttons in the controller and there was the "i want to use the original xbox controller on the 360" thread. Each consisting of over 3 pages!
Theyre some of the posters in this thread that was part of those threads too but im not gonna call any names, the nitpickers know themselves
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Dark_Neo on October 29, 2005, 07:41:00 AM
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The only game I've ever played for 25 hours (almost) straight would be Perfect Dark when it came out, but even then we took sleeping/eating/getting some damn exercise breaks! Enough time to charge up your batteries!
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 29, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on October 29, 2005, 07:24:00 AM
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people will look for any reason to down MS and complain about the 360, but they will also be the first ones in line to buy one
yea theyre alot of nitpickers round here, i remember the digital buttons thread.......ppl were cry over the lack of analog buttons in the controller and there was the "i want to use the original xbox controller on the 360" thread. Each consisting of over 3 pages!
Theyre some of the posters in this thread that was part of those threads too but im not gonna call any names, the nitpickers know themselves
Post by: Dark_Neo on October 29, 2005, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Bogus8 on October 29, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Oct 29 2005, 08:35 AM)
my logitech last 50 hours with vibration off and i change batteries lik once a month.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on October 29, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
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) always have juice. If you can't figure that out then put down the controller and go read a book cause you need some education.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Dark_Neo on October 29, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
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I'll agree with the fact MS should have put in more ports, and the way they want us to pay more for recharging cables, but it's still not a problem when it comes down to playing games. For the price of charging cables for all the controllers you could buy several packs of batteries and a cheap recharger!
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on October 29, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
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Post by: Bogus8 on October 29, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
) always have juice. If you can't figure that out then put down the controller and go read a book cause you need some education.
Post by: Dark_Neo on October 29, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: throwingks on October 29, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
QUOTE(thejt @ Oct 29 2005, 12:06 PM)
Eveyone can say what they want.. but I personally think this IS a big deal.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 30, 2005, 01:45:00 AM
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 30, 2005, 01:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 30 2005, 06:35 AM)
you get a full session of gaming on a full charge. If that isn't sufficient then space out your charging so everyone is happy... start with one plugged in... then in 8 hours put someone else in... 8 hours later some one else... then everyone is happy and you freaks that play 24/7 (that's more than 1% right ) always have juice. If you can't figure that out then put down the controller and go read a book cause you need some education.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on October 31, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
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) always have juice. If you can't figure that out then put down the controller and go read a book cause you need some education.Post by: throwingks on October 31, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Oct 31 2005, 12:33 PM)
I play for 60 hours straight with 4 friends all the time with wireless controllers. I can't afford the external battery pack charger device, a USB hub or AA batteries plus all 4 of us need to charge our the controllers at the exact same time. Why didn't MS think of this situation?
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: nj12nets on October 31, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 01, 2005, 01:55:00 AM
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Post by: nj12nets on October 31, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 01, 2005, 01:55:00 AM
QUOTE(nj12nets @ Nov 1 2005, 01:20 PM)
he was being sarcastic lol
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on November 01, 2005, 06:05:00 AM
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Post by: throwingks on November 01, 2005, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Nov 1 2005, 02:06 AM)
thank christ. id beat him over the head with a stake if he wasnt
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 01, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on November 01, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 1 2005, 09:16 AM)
Well he got me. He forgot to open the [sarcasm] tag.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: incognegro on November 01, 2005, 09:04:00 AM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Moleman on November 01, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 03, 2005, 01:58:00 AM
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Post by: incognegro on November 01, 2005, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Moleman on November 01, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 03, 2005, 01:58:00 AM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 2 2005, 03:15 AM)
this isnt closed yet!?
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: incognegro on November 03, 2005, 11:40:00 AM
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Why thank u, i was trying to inform the mods that this thread should be nuked and sent to nitpickers hell; where it can be picked apart, scrutinized and unfairly judged for eternity.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 03, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
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I only close threads that:
A. Break the Rules
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B. Are Redundant
This thread doesn't fall into either of those catagories... and so it remains open.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on November 03, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on November 03, 2005, 11:40:00 AM
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geehz, nice informative post that one
Why thank u, i was trying to inform the mods that this thread should be nuked and sent to nitpickers hell; where it can be picked apart, scrutinized and unfairly judged for eternity.
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 03, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
A. Break the Rules
or
B. Are Redundant
This thread doesn't fall into either of those catagories... and so it remains open.
Post by: Bogus8 on November 03, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 3 2005, 01:51 PM)
Why thank u, i was trying to inform the mods that this thread should be nuked and sent to nitpickers hell; where it can be picked apart, scrutinized and unfairly judged for eternity.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on November 04, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
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Post by: Bogus8 on November 04, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Math1 @ Nov 4 2005, 12:07 PM)
I guess we are really running out of things to bitch about if this is the best folks can come up with. What a waste of forum space.
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 05, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 05, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Nov 5 2005, 05:14 AM)
Yeah, it's almost as useless as people bitching about people bitching
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: Bogus8 on November 05, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 05, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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Title: M$ Really Botched One Key Decision
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 06, 2005, 03:07:00 AM
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Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Nov 4 2005, 11:35 PM)
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 06, 2005, 03:07:00 AM
QUOTE(thejt @ Nov 6 2005, 05:06 PM)
Personally, I think people just want something to flame about.