Post by: TOMDOM69 on August 31, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
Itagaki states that because the buttons on the Xbox 360 controller are not analogue, the gameplay will have to be adjusted accordingly.
August 31, 2005 - Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki revealed at MS Japan's July Xbox Summit that his team was currently working away on four Xbox 360 titles outside of Dead or Alive 4. The latest issue of Famitsu Xbox features an interview session with Itagaki in which the lead ninja discusses his team's plans.
It turns out that, although five titles are officially known to be in development for Xbox 360, it's not the case that this is all the support Xbox 360 will get from the team. Itagaki refers to the five titles as being a road map for Team Ninja. His team would like to produce, at the very least, five Xbox 360 titles.
Famitsu Xbox goes into specifics on Team Ninja's lineup. First up is DOAX2, which Itagaki reveals is a true sequel to Dead or Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball. In addition to volleyball, DOAX2 will include one additional main game. Volleyball and the new game will serve as the pillars for DOAX2, but Team Ninja is also planning on adding other means of waterside fun as well as a more robust casino element. Regarding the volleyball gameplay, Itagaki states that because the buttons on the Xbox 360 controller are not analogue, the gameplay will have to be adjusted accordingly.
Dead or Alive Code: Cronus is next up in Famitsu Xbox's question and answer session. Itagaki first clears up some confusion about the game's genre. Tecmo apparently issued a press release stating that Code Cronus would be a child-oriented game. Itagaki corrects this, revealing that the game's genre is "Kodomo," the Japanese world for "Child." However, the game is not, in any way, meant for kids. Looks like we'll have to wait for specifics, as Team Ninja is currently hard at work on Dead or Alive 4.
Project Progressive is next in the hot seat. Itagaki refers to the game as being a new challenge for Tecmo. The genre is action, but we can expect a completely different type of action from what was featured in Ninja Gaiden. Development was actually done on the original Xbox, but, like Code: Cronus, was switched to Xbox 360.
Finally, Itagaki is asked to discuss the mysterious fifth title in the team's lineup, whose name wasn't even announced at the summit. Famitsu Xbox asks specifically if the fifth title is Ninja Gaiden 2, and Itagaki doesn't answer directly, but does say that the game would have had such an strong impact that he felt it would be better to hold off on a proper announcement. We won't have to wait too long to learn the title's true identity, though. Itagaki states that Team Ninja should be able to properly announce the game once the identity of the mysterious wrestler from Dead or Alive 4 is revealed, which we presume will happen later this year with the release of Dead or Alive 4.
Given Itagaki's comments, it seems unlikely that the fifth title in Team Ninja's lineup is Ninja Gaiden 2. But that doesn't necessarily mean the sequel to one of the best action games ever is not coming to Xbox 360. We'll have to wait for future interviews with Itagaki (likely through Famitsu Xbox) for more hints.
I called 1 800 4my xbox to try to get an answer, as to if this was true. After about 30 minutes of waiting.... 3 times 10 minutes each. He couldn't give me an answer.
Post by: RvN on August 31, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: VariableElite on August 31, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on August 31, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: zib zab on August 31, 2005, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: VariableElite on August 31, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
The triggers are definitely going to remain analog; however, the new shoulder buttons will be digital as well.
This is going to drive me crazy, but I know I've heard this before. I can remember wondering how backwards compatibility was going to work on games like DOAX if the ABXY buttons were going to be digital.
Post by: Bogus8 on August 31, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
) were analog on the old box.. I think the sholders should be analog also 
Post by: KAGE360 on September 01, 2005, 04:05:00 AM
QUOTE(yerac @ Sep 1 2005, 02:39 AM)
I really cant see them going to a digital button for any of the buttons. Its taking a step backwards in technology. Almost all of the games have used pressure sensative buttons or the tap, press, and hold combonation in some sort of way. it would be absurd to not use anolog buttons.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 07:27:00 AM
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You can lob a football, but not with different pressure.
In some games, you would press the X button and then apply tiny amounts of pressure which affect your kick. If you press it really hard, you'll do a strong lob, if you tap it gently, you'll do a closeby lob.
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Post by: crobar on September 01, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
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maybe i had somthgn to do wiht the wireless data the controller sends..
maybe its too much data?
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Post by: twistedsymphony on September 01, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
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well they weren't true analog... there wasn't actually pressure sensor in there (if there was the controllers would have been ungodly expensive).
Basically it was "3 step digital" meaning it basically could tell you if it was a light, medium, or hard push. Nothing more nothing less. Definitely not to much data for the wireless bandwidth considering the triggers and sticks get converted into digital data with a 256 point resolution.
My guess is... it was more expensive to deploy than it was worth considering how few games actually used it. I don't play most sports titles but I honestly can't think of any game where I'd actually miss it.
As for BC on DOAX I would imagine it's part of the profile, how the game interprets button presses.
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Post by: Zeal Tha MC on September 01, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
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what yall talkin about the controller,i dont get it,sumone can u please tell me?
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Post by: CattyKid on September 01, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
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This is stupid. The wired controlelrs are $10 more expensive for an official MS controller, and they are basically the same, except for the ring of light, shoulder buttons, moved start and back, and a few other things. Don't prices go DOWN, not UP? But, how hard, or expensive, is it to implement this?
Halo 2 uses this when dual wielding. Not many people use it, but pressing the X button lightly reloads your left gun only, while pressing it firmly reloads both.
PS2 didn't have this, and that's why I hate Madden for PS2 (one of too many reasons to discuss here). In sorts games like Madden, it's great to decide to either throw a bullet, lob, in-between, low, high, outside, or inside of receiver. Features like this are what separate the hardcore gamers form the average gamers. This is what makes us better than the average gamer. We use this stuff, they don't. That's why we're better. aybe that's why they've dropped it. The average person and game doesn't use it.
Oh well. MS has some time to come to their senses, still.
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Post by: twistedsymphony on September 01, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 07:27:00 AM
In some games, you would press the X button and then apply tiny amounts of pressure which affect your kick. If you press it really hard, you'll do a strong lob, if you tap it gently, you'll do a closeby lob.
Post by: crobar on September 01, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
maybe its too much data?
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 01, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
Basically it was "3 step digital" meaning it basically could tell you if it was a light, medium, or hard push. Nothing more nothing less. Definitely not to much data for the wireless bandwidth considering the triggers and sticks get converted into digital data with a 256 point resolution.
My guess is... it was more expensive to deploy than it was worth considering how few games actually used it. I don't play most sports titles but I honestly can't think of any game where I'd actually miss it.
As for BC on DOAX I would imagine it's part of the profile, how the game interprets button presses.
Post by: Zeal Tha MC on September 01, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: CattyKid on September 01, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
Halo 2 uses this when dual wielding. Not many people use it, but pressing the X button lightly reloads your left gun only, while pressing it firmly reloads both.
PS2 didn't have this, and that's why I hate Madden for PS2 (one of too many reasons to discuss here). In sorts games like Madden, it's great to decide to either throw a bullet, lob, in-between, low, high, outside, or inside of receiver. Features like this are what separate the hardcore gamers form the average gamers. This is what makes us better than the average gamer. We use this stuff, they don't. That's why we're better. aybe that's why they've dropped it. The average person and game doesn't use it.
Oh well. MS has some time to come to their senses, still.
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 01, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Zeal Tha MC @ Sep 1 2005, 01:07 PM)
what yall talkin about the controller,i dont get it,sumone can u please tell me?
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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people that do play stupid football games and therefor I would think it would be dumb if they didn't make them for the 360 ... same as everyone should with analog buttons
*Edit: My nephew hates analog sticks so does everyone agree with him that they are crap and we should just go back to nintendo directional pads? Didn't think so.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
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He said he wouldn't miss it, nothing more nothing less.
I will, though. You probably use the analog pressure tech and don't even know it. Maybe the reason why you 'feel like you can control the speed of your punches' so well is because you actually are.
That's how I felt when throwing grenades in socom2. You press the x button an add pressure to throw further or release pressure to throw close. The grenade throwing would blow if, to throw a grenade further, you had to aim your screen higher like in other shooters. I hate that.
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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You are correct that is all he said, my point was we should all stick together and demand a higher standard is all... that's why I said I couldn't give a shit about a football game but I would never go around telling that in a pro football forum, it's just bound to stir up shit.
Also, he wasn't the only one voicing this opinion.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
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Have you ever played a racing game and just cruised along the street at a certain speed? Well, you won't be able to do that anymore because it's either 'accelerate' or 'stop accelerating and decellerate'. The only way to keep a speed would be to tap the button.
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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Sure I drive in a video game like I stole it, but I still use analog because even if I stole a car in real life it wouldn't be ON/OFF
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
people that do play stupid football games and therefor I would think it would be dumb if they didn't make them for the 360 ... same as everyone should with analog buttons *Edit: My nephew hates analog sticks so does everyone agree with him that they are crap and we should just go back to nintendo directional pads? Didn't think so.
Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
I will, though. You probably use the analog pressure tech and don't even know it. Maybe the reason why you 'feel like you can control the speed of your punches' so well is because you actually are.
That's how I felt when throwing grenades in socom2. You press the x button an add pressure to throw further or release pressure to throw close. The grenade throwing would blow if, to throw a grenade further, you had to aim your screen higher like in other shooters. I hate that.
Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
Also, he wasn't the only one voicing this opinion.
Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
Sure I drive in a video game like I stole it, but I still use analog because even if I stole a car in real life it wouldn't be ON/OFF
Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Sep 1 2005, 02:43 PM)
...The only way to keep a speed would be to tap the button.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
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If it is because 'certain buttons can still be analog', then they would also make the triggers analog because they work essentially as analog. Without them being analog, there is no reason for them to still stick out so much. (I know the triggers don't stick out just because they are analog, but if they are digital, having them stick out is useless because there is only one contact point).
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
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btw, it's not the wireless bandwidth because it's all encoded into one signal... the original controllers did it on 3 wires essentially. I would rather lose the wireless headset then analog buttons (that was just the point of it not being bandwidth... you guys can have your wireless headsets )
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 01, 2005, 02:25:00 PM
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Post by: Moleman on September 01, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
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Oh well. It was sort of cool. Can't see why they did this though.
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Post by: Heet on September 01, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
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THIS SUCKS.
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Post by: nova805 on September 01, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
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this wont work for the triggers, but why not just use timing for each button, so if you hold the button a bit longer, its as if you pushed it hard, but if you tap the button, its as if you pushed it softly... digital can handle this....
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
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Discussion ended.
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Post by: CattyKid on September 01, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
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Sorry, thought the Ps2 had digital buttons. My bad guys.
Gentlemen, do you realise that we have spent the past 2 days arguing over something which we could have slved with a simple check on www.xbox.com?
We have been told off by a n00b.
We have been pwned... by a n00b.
Thank you Smiley.
For this, your first post, you deserve mod-ship, and
...
...
the ASCII chicken
<;3
It looks better in other fonts...
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Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
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Post by: incognegro on September 02, 2005, 05:56:00 AM
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My uncle that loves racing games chose not to get a xbox for this same reason cause his job requires his hands to be in good shape so he cant afford to fuck them up (it hurt his too). PGR (so was gran tourismo) was unplayable for me until i found out i can use the shoulder buttons instead, ive never used anything else since.
ANAL-logue buttons suck, they never made gaming any eaier and i can definitely do without them.
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Post by: twistedsymphony on September 02, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
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Triggers have a resolution of 256 points Up down left right on the analog sticks each have a resolution of 128 points... A, B, X, Y, Black, & White are the ONLY buttons under discussion here.
I was incorrect about the light medium hard thing... Plugging my controller into my PC the face buttons do actually register a full 256 resolution.
Though I still think it's a bad idea... If I push A I want the game know I pushed A. I don't want it to know the difference between pushing A with a 45% pressure or 60% pressure... If I want analog control I'll use the triggers or the sticks.
I completely agree with incognegro. Analog on BUTTONS doesn't do anything for you except give your fingers cramps, not to mention I've ruined 2 controller literally cracking the PCB around the A button from pushing too hard trying to make sure it was registering at full pressure
AFAIK the PS2 was the first controller to feature this, and the ONLY reason the Xbox followed suit was to say they had it too.
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Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
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Wow, you guys must be malnurished and should call in some red cross or something I smoke at forza, Midnight Club 3, ATV Unleashed 2 and every other racing game I've played in the past and I'm a medium build guy that does computers for a living and always has chicks commenting on soft my hands are so I'm not some gorilla or anything. I get more worn out with my left thumb on an old school Nintendo controller. It's just a game guys you don't have to give it 110%, 100% is just fine
and instead of saying remove it how about say give us the option to turn in off in the system, wouldn't that make more sense for the community or is it all about you?
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
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Huh? Have you ever looked at the back of of a game box. MOST games say "pressure sensitive"
And I agree with bogus............I have never had to press the button with all my strength, just holding it works fine for me.................before forza, I was like a king at GT3.........and my hand didnt hurt anymore then when I used to play F-Zero on the SNES where the buttons were digital
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 02, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
If it is because 'certain buttons can still be analog', then they would also make the triggers analog because they work essentially as analog. Without them being analog, there is no reason for them to still stick out so much. (I know the triggers don't stick out just because they are analog, but if they are digital, having them stick out is useless because there is only one contact point).
Post by: Bogus8 on September 01, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
btw, it's not the wireless bandwidth because it's all encoded into one signal... the original controllers did it on 3 wires essentially. I would rather lose the wireless headset then analog buttons (that was just the point of it not being bandwidth... you guys can have your wireless headsets
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 01, 2005, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(CattyKid @ Sep 1 2005, 01:57 PM)
Post by: Moleman on September 01, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Heet on September 01, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: nova805 on September 01, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on September 01, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
Discussion ended.
Post by: CattyKid on September 01, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Gentlemen, do you realise that we have spent the past 2 days arguing over something which we could have slved with a simple check on www.xbox.com?
We have been told off by a n00b.
We have been pwned... by a n00b.
Thank you Smiley.
For this, your first post, you deserve mod-ship, and
...
...
the ASCII chicken
<;3
It looks better in other fonts...
Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
QUOTE(CattyKid @ Sep 1 2005, 08:28 PM)
Gentlemen, do you realise that we have spent the past 2 days arguing over something which we could have slved with a simple check on www.xbox.com?
Post by: incognegro on September 02, 2005, 05:56:00 AM
My uncle that loves racing games chose not to get a xbox for this same reason cause his job requires his hands to be in good shape so he cant afford to fuck them up (it hurt his too). PGR (so was gran tourismo) was unplayable for me until i found out i can use the shoulder buttons instead, ive never used anything else since.
ANAL-logue buttons suck, they never made gaming any eaier and i can definitely do without them.
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 02, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
Triggers have a resolution of 256 points Up down left right on the analog sticks each have a resolution of 128 points... A, B, X, Y, Black, & White are the ONLY buttons under discussion here.
I was incorrect about the light medium hard thing... Plugging my controller into my PC the face buttons do actually register a full 256 resolution.
Though I still think it's a bad idea... If I push A I want the game know I pushed A. I don't want it to know the difference between pushing A with a 45% pressure or 60% pressure... If I want analog control I'll use the triggers or the sticks.
I completely agree with incognegro. Analog on BUTTONS doesn't do anything for you except give your fingers cramps, not to mention I've ruined 2 controller literally cracking the PCB around the A button from pushing too hard trying to make sure it was registering at full pressure
AFAIK the PS2 was the first controller to feature this, and the ONLY reason the Xbox followed suit was to say they had it too.
Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 2 2005, 09:33 AM)
...not to mention I've ruined 2 controller literally cracking the PCB around the A button from pushing too hard trying to make sure it was registering at full pressure...
Analog controls only work when there are clearly-defined starting and stopping points. Triggers, throttles, and dials all have these. Buttons don't.
Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
Wow, you guys must be malnurished and should call in some red cross or something I smoke at forza, Midnight Club 3, ATV Unleashed 2 and every other racing game I've played in the past and I'm a medium build guy that does computers for a living and always has chicks commenting on soft my hands are so I'm not some gorilla or anything. I get more worn out with my left thumb on an old school Nintendo controller. It's just a game guys you don't have to give it 110%, 100% is just fine and instead of saying remove it how about say give us the option to turn in off in the system, wouldn't that make more sense for the community or is it all about you?
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 1 2005, 04:36 PM)
and i also wont miss the feature. like i said before i dont think that many games really used it outside of sports and racing.
Huh?
Have you ever looked at the back of of a game box. MOST games say "pressure sensitive"And I agree with bogus............I have never had to press the button with all my strength, just holding it works fine for me.................before forza, I was like a king at GT3.........and my hand didnt hurt anymore then when I used to play F-Zero on the SNES where the buttons were digital
Post by: KAGE360 on September 02, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 2 2005, 03:02 PM)
Huh? Have you ever looked at the back of of a game box. MOST games say "pressure sensitive"
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 02:24:00 PM
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On the back of PS2 games it has a separate box for analog and pressure sensitive(the reason as to why the PSX Dual Shock 1 doesnt work with tons of PS2 games). I'm not arguing, just stating the facts. I have also used the function in every game that had it stated on the back of the box, at least for PS2.
Maybe the xbox didnt do a very good job with the Pressure Sensitive Buttons, I feel they are just digital on/off most of the time, on the PS2 I noticed the pressure sensitivity and I loved it.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 02, 2005, 02:29:00 PM
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In PSI-OPS, when you grab a box or a person with your mind, you gotta press down the r-1 trigger slightly harder to raise him or apply a small amount of pressure on the button to lower him. It makes things alot cooler. you wouldn't be able to play that game without pressure sensitive buttons, along with many others.
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 02, 2005, 02:36:00 PM
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Have you ever looked at the back of of a game box. MOST games say "pressure sensitive"Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 2 2005, 04:26 PM)
that could be refering to anything from the analog sticks to the triggers.
On the back of PS2 games it has a separate box for analog and pressure sensitive(the reason as to why the PSX Dual Shock 1 doesnt work with tons of PS2 games). I'm not arguing, just stating the facts. I have also used the function in every game that had it stated on the back of the box, at least for PS2.
Maybe the xbox didnt do a very good job with the Pressure Sensitive Buttons, I feel they are just digital on/off most of the time, on the PS2 I noticed the pressure sensitivity and I loved it.
Post by: Carlo210 on September 02, 2005, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on September 02, 2005, 02:36:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 2 2005, 04:35 PM)
On the back of PS2 games it has a separate box for analog and pressure sensitive(the reason as to why the PSX Dual Shock 1 doesnt work with tons of PS2 games). I'm not arguing, just stating the facts. I have also used the function in every game that had it stated on the back of the box, at least for PS2.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
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Ok that makes me feel better as I was about to
you
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 2 2005, 04:47 PM)
oh ok i didnt know you were refering to ps2.
Ok that makes me feel better as I was about to
you
Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 2 2005, 03:26 PM)
that could be refering to anything from the analog sticks to the triggers. im talking about games actually utulizing the analog buttons the the extent like DoAX and football games. i have a huge collection of games and other then DoAX and my NFL2k games none take advantage of the analog buttons.
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Post by: Moleman on September 02, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
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Post by: Moleman on September 02, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Sep 2 2005, 04:40 PM)
In PSI-OPS, when you grab a box or a person with your mind, you gotta press down the r-1 trigger slightly harder to raise him or apply a small amount of pressure on the button to lower him. It makes things alot cooler. you wouldn't be able to play that game without pressure sensitive buttons, along with many others.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 03, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 03, 2005, 01:40:00 PM
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I was just at my neighbor's house playing Moto GP 3? (super bike game) and it would have been rediculous without analog... I used analog on triggers and buttons, you have to as in a real bike you have control over front and rear brakes and of coarse throttle ... count that up boys that's 3, and I don't see three triggers. Honestly I didn't really like the game but I did love the implentation of analog buttons and the subtle control it gave me over the bike.
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Post by: VariableElite on September 03, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 03, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
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(the latter is just for fun) and they do allow you to use the right stick but I don't like using the right stick vs buttons or triggers I tried every which way just to see which I liked best and my favorite config was A for throttle and triggers for rear and front brakes respectfully.
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Post by: incognegro on September 03, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 03, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
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Agh, I hate that because you can't press accel and brake at the same time. (lean in)
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 03, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
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back in the day on nintendo that other button was useless
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Post by: Moleman on September 04, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
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Yeah, with analog, it seems there is skill and subtlety that you just wouldn't have with a digital pad. Just the right pressure at just the right time.
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 04, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
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Off topic, anyone like my new look? lol
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 05, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
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Post by: VariableElite on September 03, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Sep 3 2005, 02:51 PM)
I was just at my neighbor's house playing Moto GP 3? (super bike game) and it would have been rediculous without analog... I used analog on triggers and buttons, you have to as in a real bike you have control over front and rear brakes and of coarse throttle ... count that up boys that's 3, and I don't see three triggers. Honestly I didn't really like the game but I did love the implentation of analog buttons and the subtle control it gave me over the bike.
Post by: Bogus8 on September 03, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
(the latter is just for fun) and they do allow you to use the right stick but I don't like using the right stick vs buttons or triggers I tried every which way just to see which I liked best and my favorite config was A for throttle and triggers for rear and front brakes respectfully.
Post by: incognegro on September 03, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on September 03, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on September 03, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
back in the day on nintendo that other button was useless
Post by: Moleman on September 04, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on September 04, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
Off topic, anyone like my new look? lol
Post by: Bogus8 on September 05, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Sep 5 2005, 12:44 AM)
Off topic, anyone like my new look? lol
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: Carlo210 on September 05, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 05, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Sep 5 2005, 11:01 AM)
Is that why you haven't spammed all over the board today... -
Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: Andy51 on September 06, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
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Anyways.. yes It looks nice.
Heh, the Nintendo 64 D-Pad for the controller... I barely used it for anything.
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: mathias on September 06, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
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may not be analog but developers can do the same as analog with how long a person holds the button....
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: Bogus8 on September 06, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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Post by: Andy51 on September 06, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
Anyways.. yes It looks nice.
Heh, the Nintendo 64 D-Pad for the controller... I barely used it for anything.
Post by: mathias on September 06, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on September 06, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
QUOTE(mathias @ Sep 6 2005, 05:29 PM)
may not be analog but developers can do the same as analog with how long a person holds the button....
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: Carlo210 on September 06, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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Mathias, I don't think you understand the difference between 'pressure sensitivity' and 'application duration'.
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: gamerguy999 on September 06, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on September 06, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: gamerguy999 on September 06, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Andy51 @ Sep 6 2005, 12:08 PM)
Heh, the Nintendo 64 D-Pad for the controller... I barely used it for anything.
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: CattyKid on September 10, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
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Post by: CattyKid on September 10, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
QUOTE(mathias @ Sep 6 2005, 06:29 PM)
may not be analog but developers can do the same as analog with how long a person holds the button....
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 13, 2005, 08:32:00 AM
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I doubt this.where is the source please...
also i noticed that the wireless control looks huge like the xbox original control
after having the s-type i hope its the same size or am i wrong?????
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Title: Xbox360 Controller Buttons Are Digital Now
Post by: Carlo210 on September 13, 2005, 01:03:00 PM
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Why would they be bigger? How does the wireless controller look bigger than the duke? The wireless controller is the same size as the wired controller except there is a battery pack on the back.
The controller is as big as the S controller, just a lot thinner.
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 13, 2005, 08:32:00 AM
also i noticed that the wireless control looks huge like the xbox original control
after having the s-type i hope its the same size or am i wrong?????
Post by: Carlo210 on September 13, 2005, 01:03:00 PM
The controller is as big as the S controller, just a lot thinner.