Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 29, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
If a dev was REALLY that concerned about it they should just make the game require the hard drive instead of just bitching up and whining about it. Plain and simple.
Half Life 2 is the kind of game that would make core owners go out of their way to buy the Hard Drive anyway.
Can not having a hard drive REALLY be that bad considering the WORST it does is put it on EVEN terms with other consoles?
Post by: Heet on August 29, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
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If a dev was REALLY that concerned about it they should just make the game require the hard drive instead of just bitching up and whining about it. Plain and simple.
I guess he doesnt want to cripple sales by just making a game that appeals to 85% of the install base. Most of which will probably not buy the game.
Post by: VariableElite on August 29, 2005, 12:02:00 PM
More like, they knew they were months behind and blamed that fact on the leak.Besides, MS is allowing Square to release FFXI, which will require a hard drive. They'd do the same for Valve, I'm sure. Plus, it's not like the PS2, where you had to take the system apart to add a hard drive (if I'm understanding the 360 Core system correctly). Console manufacturers have been selling upgrades to their systems for years, many of which are required by certain games. The HD should be no different here, just more expensive than most other expansions. But in return, you get more for your money.
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 29, 2005, 12:02:00 PM
From what I've gathered the decision to make the HDD optional came about the same time as the decision to make the systems ram 512MB instead of 256MB... IMO an extra 256MB is FAR more valuable than a guaranteed hard drive.
Becides Gabe Newell is a bad example as he's had nothing but complaints about next gen consoles in general: http://www.next-gen....id=510&Itemid=2
Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
Newell is a whiner, plain and simple. Hes gotten too big for his own good(Im talking about both his size AND his status in the industry).
This HDD talk will be dead when it launches, and I for one cannot wait for that to happen.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 29, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(VariableElite @ Aug 29 2005, 02:13 PM)
Plus, it's not like the PS2, where you had to take the system apart to add a hard drive
Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says) or removing a little plate that snaps on and off is taking the system apart?
So.......is placing your key in the keyhole, opening your car door, placing yourself in the car, and closing the door like some big take the car apart ordeal to you also?
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 29, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Aug 29 2005, 04:39 PM)
yeah you definitely didn't need to take the PS2 apart for the hard drive either... just shove it up the hole in the back like a suppository
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Post by: VariableElite on August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
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Post by: VariableElite on August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Aug 29 2005, 01:25 PM)
Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says) or removing a little plate that snaps on and off is taking the system apart?
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
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i wonder how many times and ways this arguement is going to be started. i think Gabe is just bitter towards the next generation in general and how its changing the norm of game making. he would much rather technology stay similar and stagnant. because of multi-threading and multi-core CPUs coming out on next gen systems he has to rewrite the code to take advantage of the new architecture or else the performance will hurt dramatically. im sure no developer likes the change but they arent crying about it like he is.
just like in this forum, you will get different opinions in the development community. you dont see the majority of the developers bitching (hell you dont even see a fraction) so why take this news as anything other then a grain of salt??
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Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
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I have a question kids.
why is this fat fug whining anyways?
is he silently confirming a game is headed to the 360?
Halflife 2??
If hes talking about part 3, the xbox 720 will have been out for a year or 2 already by the time that game hits shelves.
the man makes a game every 4 or 5 years for shits sake.
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Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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I need money just to open my ps2 to add the hDD!!!! Damn sony forcharging too much for their consoles........lol.........jus kidding
lol....Yea str8 up the black hole
yes, yes. thats a good point, I think know why he is crying now.
I want my damn HDD damn it!!
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Post by: Moleman on August 29, 2005, 04:51:00 PM
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Gabe Newell is a PC whore, and unhappy that he can't release a patch every goddamn week. Have you seen how often HL2 is updated throught shitty steam?
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Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
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@ Incognegro
But anyways, I doubt we will ever see a game from Valve on the 360 so wtf is he bitching about?
HalfLife 3 will be out in 2017, so we must be getting HL 2
do they even make any other games?
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Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 05:26:00 PM
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No they dont actually
Its funny, alot of ppl like halflife and i never got into it. I just thought it was boring. I guess ill find out when the xbox version is out.
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Post by: Bogus8 on August 29, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
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They do have a halflife for xbox (the original) but it's not as good as Halo... though I don't like FPS period... I did enjoy HL on the pc back in the day more than say quake.. but that was just personal preferences.
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Post by: incognegro on August 30, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
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U sure there was an xbox version of hl1, im sure its just ps2 and dc (although the dreamcast one is pretty rare)?
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 30, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
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maybe hes mistaking HL2 coming on xbox for HL 1. and half life on the ps2 is what HL on the dreamcast should have been. they finished HL on the DC completly but then just never published it so it never actually out on DC. sad too because i was looking foward to the game on DC
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Post by: fghjj on August 30, 2005, 10:08:00 AM
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Many people seem to prefer shifting focus to the appearance of a person, instead of analyzing what he/she is saying. I don't know what a guys' supposed fatness contributes to a discussion in "Hardware Chat", but I guess it's easier to talk about that and not about the technical side of things. You'd expect better from a guys with "tech" in his name and a moderator (in a different thread).
For a developer, having one console with two hardware setups is a bad thing. It means you need more time to focus on compatibility, and have less to spend on engine features and game logic. Not being able to trust on a HDD for gamesaves and downloadable content isn't that big of an issue offcourse: the SDK mostly takes care of that. The danger lies in different hardware configurations becoming "acceptable behaviour" for Nintendo, Sony and MS, so that in a generation or two console development will become just like PC development, where updates to the executable are sometimes needed to even play the game in single-player mode.
As you might have guessed, updating the executable of a game on DVD-ROM is a bit hard.
With MS choice to keep using the old DVD media, space becomes an issue. Using 9 GB DVD's is more expensive then 4.3 GB ones, and if you don't have a scratch disc to extract your compressed high-detail textures and 5.1 sound streams on... you can figure that one out. Having "freedom" in games means having your resources quickly available.
If it's really true that there will be "HDD-only" games then that will suck for developers (dilemma of broader market vs. better graphics/gameplay/whatever), for end-users (customer pays, confusion) and MS will laugh.
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
just like in this forum, you will get different opinions in the development community. you dont see the majority of the developers bitching (hell you dont even see a fraction) so why take this news as anything other then a grain of salt??
Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
why is this fat fug whining anyways?
is he silently confirming a game is headed to the 360?
Halflife 2??
If hes talking about part 3, the xbox 720 will have been out for a year or 2 already by the time that game hits shelves.
the man makes a game every 4 or 5 years for shits sake.
Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says)
I need money just to open my ps2 to add the hDD!!!! Damn sony forcharging too much for their consoles........lol.........jus kidding
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yeah you definitely didn't need to take the PS2 apart for the hard drive either... just shove it up the hole in the back like a suppository
lol....Yea str8 up the black hole
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Becides Gabe Newell is a bad example as he's had nothing but complaints about next gen consoles in general
yes, yes. thats a good point, I think know why he is crying now.
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Icognegro wont let the HDD thing go will he
I want my damn HDD damn it!!
Post by: Moleman on August 29, 2005, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on August 29, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
@ IncognegroBut anyways, I doubt we will ever see a game from Valve on the 360 so wtf is he bitching about?
HalfLife 3 will be out in 2017, so we must be getting HL 2
do they even make any other games?
Post by: incognegro on August 29, 2005, 05:26:00 PM
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do they even make any other games?
No they dont actually
Its funny, alot of ppl like halflife and i never got into it. I just thought it was boring. I guess ill find out when the xbox version is out.
Post by: Bogus8 on August 29, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on August 30, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on August 30, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
Post by: fghjj on August 30, 2005, 10:08:00 AM
For a developer, having one console with two hardware setups is a bad thing. It means you need more time to focus on compatibility, and have less to spend on engine features and game logic. Not being able to trust on a HDD for gamesaves and downloadable content isn't that big of an issue offcourse: the SDK mostly takes care of that. The danger lies in different hardware configurations becoming "acceptable behaviour" for Nintendo, Sony and MS, so that in a generation or two console development will become just like PC development, where updates to the executable are sometimes needed to even play the game in single-player mode.
As you might have guessed, updating the executable of a game on DVD-ROM is a bit hard.
With MS choice to keep using the old DVD media, space becomes an issue. Using 9 GB DVD's is more expensive then 4.3 GB ones, and if you don't have a scratch disc to extract your compressed high-detail textures and 5.1 sound streams on... you can figure that one out. Having "freedom" in games means having your resources quickly available.
If it's really true that there will be "HDD-only" games then that will suck for developers (dilemma of broader market vs. better graphics/gameplay/whatever), for end-users (customer pays, confusion) and MS will laugh.
Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(fghjj @ Aug 30 2005, 02:19 PM)
Many people seem to prefer shifting focus to the appearance of a person, instead of analyzing what he/she is saying. I don't know what a guys' supposed fatness contributes to a discussion in "Hardware Chat", but I guess it's easier to talk about that and not about the technical side of things. You'd expect better from a guys with "tech" in his name and a moderator (in a different thread).
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Post by: twistedsymphony on August 30, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on August 30, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(fghjj @ Aug 30 2005, 12:19 PM)
Many people seem to prefer shifting focus to the appearance of a person, instead of analyzing what he/she is saying. I don't know what a guys' supposed fatness contributes to a discussion in "Hardware Chat", but I guess it's easier to talk about that and not about the technical side of things. You'd expect better from a guys with "tech" in his name and a moderator (in a different thread).
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
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I apologize if I responded in a immature way, but if he read every single one of my posts, he'd see that I asked why Newell is whining seeing as he hasnt ever once said hes making games for either the 360 or ps3.
hes sitting on the sidelines and bitching, making him not much better than website editors that have nothing better to do.
Until he gets his hands dirty and shows us he is indeed working on a 360 project and wants to support it, but expected more out of the system, I will then respect his opinion.
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Post by: hugoboss1 on August 30, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 01:09:00 PM
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Ummm, you do know that the original Counter-Strike was and might still be the most played Online FPS. Thats right Galo 2 doesnt even come close. The only reason the numbers are going down is because everyone is switching to Counter-Strike Source. Now, I hate to be an ass here but whats 2+2.................thats right 4, just like how you have to own HL1 to play CS and you need to own HL2 to play CS Source
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
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lol you took one sentence out of that and turned into something stupid
the point is Valve doesnt pump out the games, and if you think HL 2 sales eclipses some of those huge titles found on a console....
saying its the most played is meaningless in relation to the point im making.
gee the sims is popular, does that mean the developer will now be vocal about the 360 and its problems even though they arent developing a game for it? thats what fatass Newell is doing.
3 Splinter cells in 3 years on "multiple" systems, 2 halflifes and a CS in what? 6 years? lol
and you want to compare the financial outcome? muwhahahaha
your comment to me was irrelvant and taken out of context.
Im really starting to worry about you man, nothing but trolling lately.
LOL at you even bringing up halo 2..wtf?
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Post by: twistedsymphony on August 30, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
hes sitting on the sidelines and bitching, making him not much better than website editors that have nothing better to do.
Until he gets his hands dirty and shows us he is indeed working on a 360 project and wants to support it, but expected more out of the system, I will then respect his opinion.
Post by: hugoboss1 on August 30, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 01:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Aug 30 2005, 12:59 PM)
Yeah HL 1 and 2 were good, but those 2 games financially dont account for others from devs that get pumped out much quicker and bring in a hell of alot more $$.
Ummm, you do know that the original Counter-Strike was and might still be the most played Online FPS. Thats right Galo 2 doesnt even come close. The only reason the numbers are going down is because everyone is switching to Counter-Strike Source. Now, I hate to be an ass here but whats 2+2.................thats right 4, just like how you have to own HL1 to play CS and you need to own HL2 to play CS Source
Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
the point is Valve doesnt pump out the games, and if you think HL 2 sales eclipses some of those huge titles found on a console....
saying its the most played is meaningless in relation to the point im making.
gee the sims is popular, does that mean the developer will now be vocal about the 360 and its problems even though they arent developing a game for it? thats what fatass Newell is doing.
3 Splinter cells in 3 years on "multiple" systems, 2 halflifes and a CS in what? 6 years? lol
and you want to compare the financial outcome? muwhahahaha
your comment to me was irrelvant and taken out of context.
Im really starting to worry about you man, nothing but trolling lately.
LOL at you even bringing up halo 2..wtf?
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 30, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Aug 30 2005, 03:20 PM)
Ummm, you do know that the original Counter-Strike was and might still be the most played Online FPS. Thats right Galo 2 doesnt even come close. The only reason the numbers are going down is because everyone is switching to Counter-Strike Source. Now, I hate to be an ass here but whats 2+2.................thats right 4, just like how you have to own HL1 to play CS and you need to own HL2 to play CS Source
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Aug 30 2005, 05:37 PM)
Does HL1 come with the Xbox version of CS?
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
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Nothing to worry about here. Just extra crabbiness since I just got back to work from my long vacation
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
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testicle!!
I wasted my time replying!
youre in a timeout mister
get in the corner with InfamousOne
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
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Really Let me quote you again.
As you can see you did say both of those things. You deserve a timeout for contradicting yourself 2 posts later 
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
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Yet slow ass Rare got kameo up and running in 6 short weeks. Rare of all people.
I never cared for Valve as a developer, probably never will. Their games might be good but their decisions are stupid.
the whole delay of HL 2 for a year was more of his self righteousness.
Cliffy and Tomonobu should pay them a visit and kick their asses
Speaking of HL 2 on xbox, wasnt it due out this month? lol
or was it mid september?
yeah that'll happen.
Launch it on xbox while the 360 hits...great thinking fellas.
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Post by: Bogus8 on August 30, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
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What Newell says stands as THE definitive truth, that goes for deftones too
I stand corrected. I am a hypocritical, contradictive fugger who overdoses on
I am going to eat one butterball turkey a day so I have the right to make the undustry tremble with my words of wisdom
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Post by: Moleman on August 30, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on August 31, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
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NO!!! hl on the dc is FAR superior to the ps2 version. Please sir dont ever make this mistake again. And ill have you know that the dc version did come out just with no promotion (i have a copy in my hand right now) cause the system was dead. If you search well, you can d/l it......
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Post by: Deftech on August 31, 2005, 01:49:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
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Im really starting to worry about you man, nothing but trolling lately.
Nothing to worry about here. Just extra crabbiness since I just got back to work from my long vacation
Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
testicle!!
I wasted my time replying!
youre in a timeout mister
get in the corner with InfamousOne
Post by: deftonesmx17 on August 30, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Aug 30 2005, 04:39 PM)
I didnt say the devloper of the sims isnt making one
I never said chunky boy isn't making a game for the 360.
I never said chunky boy isn't making a game for the 360.
Really
Let me quote you again.QUOTE
gee the sims is popular, does that mean the developer will now be vocal about the 360 and its problems even though they arent developing a game for it? thats what fatass Newell is doing.
As you can see you did say both of those things.
You deserve a timeout for contradicting yourself 2 posts later
Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Yet slow ass Rare got kameo up and running in 6 short weeks. Rare of all people.
I never cared for Valve as a developer, probably never will. Their games might be good but their decisions are stupid.
the whole delay of HL 2 for a year was more of his self righteousness.
Cliffy and Tomonobu should pay them a visit and kick their asses
Speaking of HL 2 on xbox, wasnt it due out this month? lol
or was it mid september?
yeah that'll happen.
Launch it on xbox while the 360 hits...great thinking fellas.
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Post by: Deftech on August 30, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
What Newell says stands as THE definitive truth, that goes for deftones too
I stand corrected. I am a hypocritical, contradictive fugger who overdoses on
I am going to eat one butterball turkey a day so I have the right to make the undustry tremble with my words of wisdom
Post by: Moleman on August 30, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on August 31, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
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maybe hes mistaking HL2 coming on xbox for HL 1. and half life on the ps2 is what HL on the dreamcast should have been. they finished HL on the DC completly but then just never published it so it never actually out on DC. sad too because i was looking foward to the game on DC
NO!!! hl on the dc is FAR superior to the ps2 version. Please sir dont ever make this mistake again. And ill have you know that the dc version did come out just with no promotion (i have a copy in my hand right now) cause the system was dead. If you search well, you can d/l it......
Post by: Deftech on August 31, 2005, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 31 2005, 05:05 PM)
NO!!! hl on the dc is FAR superior to the ps2 version. Please sir dont ever make this mistake again. And ill have you know that the dc version did come out just with no promotion (i have a copy in my hand right now) cause the system was dead. If you search well, you can d/l it......
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 31, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 31, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 31 2005, 03:05 PM)
NO!!! hl on the dc is FAR superior to the ps2 version. Please sir dont ever make this mistake again. And ill have you know that the dc version did come out just with no promotion (i have a copy in my hand right now) cause the system was dead. If you search well, you can d/l it......
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Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 12:54:00 AM
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I saw A turkey in the background, he was eyeing it a few times
Now Im hungry..
oh and instead of attacking me for whatever reason after reading all of this, Please try to watch and listen to the video and dicsuss what was said in the video. I dont like the man, dont let it get you down.
If you want to fight with me, save it for another time
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Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
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, Will Wright, Peter Molyneux, etc. and so on.
Gabe is just a fat bastard who happens to have some great programmers working for him.
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Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 01:11:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 12:54:00 AM
I saw A turkey in the background, he was eyeing it a few times
Now Im hungry..
oh and instead of attacking me for whatever reason after reading all of this, Please try to watch and listen to the video and dicsuss what was said in the video. I dont like the man, dont let it get you down.
If you want to fight with me, save it for another time
Post by: VariableElite on September 02, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
, Will Wright, Peter Molyneux, etc. and so on.Gabe is just a fat bastard who happens to have some great programmers working for him.
Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(VariableElite @ Sep 2 2005, 03:19 AM)
Gabe Newell is on the rapidly growing list of people in the computer industry that should be ignored.
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 03:07:00 AM
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Post by: Bogus8 on September 02, 2005, 03:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 2 2005, 02:05 AM)
...They should atleast post the entire story and not take tidbits from it...
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Post by: incognegro on September 02, 2005, 05:25:00 AM
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well the week it was supposed to come out (think it was the second week of may, don't ask me what year) they released it for about two weeks and then recalled it since they knew the dc was dead. The pal version was out a little before that i think. Anyways I went out and bought the last copy. Eventually the disc got scratched about two months after and I had to get it back but I couldnt find it. So i search good ol' bit torrent and found the pal version and d/led it.
Thats the version i have now, alot of people thought the dc was dead when sega left but what they didnt realise is that some of the softare companies was still committed to puttig out software for the system. Software in japan didnt slow down till bout 2 years after the anouncement.
Anyways, the ps2 was not up to par with dc version in my opinion just because of the horrible jaggies . Anybody noticed how jaggies wasnt much of a problem on the dc?
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Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
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thats because it used MSAA in a LOT of games. I played quake 3 on it recently and even thru s video on the 77" screen, no jaggies. and it ran friggin smooth. and thats on a 6 year old system.
thats why I was shocked when I started playing xbox games, jaggies fuggin everywhere.
the DC architecture was quite good. The PowerVR inside was a kick ass setup for its time.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
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I know what you are talking about, it was like the switch from when I used to have my voodoo3 and went to an Nvidia card, it seemed that 3dfx had jaggies under control.................yet somehow nvidia became king :blink:
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 03, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
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thats because 3dfx was crap with their washed out colors and lack of actual power. Nvidia still had AA back the, hell i have an old ass Nvidia Vanta card in my POS pc and it does AA just fine with games that would be out at the time (unreal, UT, quakes). they couldnt keep up thats why Nvidia was king, and also it was genious on Nvidias part to include a CPU on the GPU something which has been standard since if you wish to stay in the GPU market
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Post by: incognegro on September 03, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
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Hey def, what you think the dc's weakness was hardware wise? I use to know the hardware very well back then but my long term memory sux.
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Post by: Deftech on September 03, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
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umm
which def?
lol
incase is me(which I doubt), graphics wise? I dont think it had one. what did it have for total sys memory? 24 megs? more memory is always better but I never saw a DC game that seemed to be hurt by what it had to work with.
its custom cpu did the job too. The graphics it gave me for 200.00 was awesome. I miss the DC days :(
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Post by: brooksie48 on September 03, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
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:( We need a support group.
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 03, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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can i join?? i still cant sleep good at night :(
i loved what sega did with the DC, still have one.
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Post by: incognegro on September 06, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
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I was talking to you deftech, definitely not deftones ( I dont agree with him much). Some dc fans have different ideas about what the sys lacked from a technical standpoint but I wonder if it would have benefited from a dvd drive. I was just curious to see what you would say.
Post by: incognegro on September 02, 2005, 05:25:00 AM
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you said you have a copy?? how did you go about getting that?? before the DC died that was one of my most wanted games
well the week it was supposed to come out (think it was the second week of may, don't ask me what year) they released it for about two weeks and then recalled it since they knew the dc was dead. The pal version was out a little before that i think. Anyways I went out and bought the last copy. Eventually the disc got scratched about two months after and I had to get it back but I couldnt find it. So i search good ol' bit torrent and found the pal version and d/led it.
Thats the version i have now, alot of people thought the dc was dead when sega left but what they didnt realise is that some of the softare companies was still committed to puttig out software for the system. Software in japan didnt slow down till bout 2 years after the anouncement.
Anyways, the ps2 was not up to par with dc version in my opinion just because of the horrible jaggies
. Anybody noticed how jaggies wasnt much of a problem on the dc?
Post by: Deftech on September 02, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Sep 2 2005, 07:36 AM)
well the week it was supposed to come out (think it was the second week of may, don't ask me what year) they released it for about two weeks and then recalled it since they knew the dc was dead. The pal version was out a little before that i think. Anyways I went out and bought the last copy. Eventually the disc got scratched about two months after and I had to get it back but I couldnt find it. So i search good ol' bit torrent and found the pal version and d/led it.
Thats the version i have now, alot of people thought the dc was dead when sega left but what they didnt realise is that some of the softare companies was still committed to puttig out software for the system. Software in japan didnt slow down till bout 2 years after the anouncement.
Anyways, the ps2 was not up to par with dc version in my opinion just because of the horrible jaggies :blink: . Anybody noticed how jaggies wasnt much of a problem on the dc?
Thats the version i have now, alot of people thought the dc was dead when sega left but what they didnt realise is that some of the softare companies was still committed to puttig out software for the system. Software in japan didnt slow down till bout 2 years after the anouncement.
Anyways, the ps2 was not up to par with dc version in my opinion just because of the horrible jaggies :blink: . Anybody noticed how jaggies wasnt much of a problem on the dc?
thats because it used MSAA in a LOT of games. I played quake 3 on it recently and even thru s video on the 77" screen, no jaggies. and it ran friggin smooth. and thats on a 6 year old system.
thats why I was shocked when I started playing xbox games, jaggies fuggin everywhere.
the DC architecture was quite good. The PowerVR inside was a kick ass setup for its time.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 02, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 2 2005, 12:44 PM)
thats because it used MSAA in a LOT of games. I played quake 3 on it recently and even thru s video on the 77" screen, no jaggies. and it ran friggin smooth. and thats on a 6 year old system.
thats why I was shocked when I started playing xbox games, jaggies fuggin everywhere.
the DC architecture was quite good. The PowerVR inside was a kick ass setup for its time.
thats why I was shocked when I started playing xbox games, jaggies fuggin everywhere.
the DC architecture was quite good. The PowerVR inside was a kick ass setup for its time.
I know what you are talking about, it was like the switch from when I used to have my voodoo3 and went to an Nvidia card, it seemed that 3dfx had jaggies under control.................yet somehow nvidia became king :blink:
Post by: KAGE360 on September 03, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 2 2005, 12:48 PM)
I know what you are talking about, it was like the switch from when I used to have my voodoo3 and went to an Nvidia card, it seemed that 3dfx had jaggies under control.................yet somehow nvidia became king :blink:
thats because 3dfx was crap with their washed out colors and lack of actual power. Nvidia still had AA back the, hell i have an old ass Nvidia Vanta card in my POS pc and it does AA just fine with games that would be out at the time (unreal, UT, quakes). they couldnt keep up thats why Nvidia was king, and also it was genious on Nvidias part to include a CPU on the GPU something which has been standard since if you wish to stay in the GPU market
Post by: incognegro on September 03, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on September 03, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Sep 3 2005, 09:26 PM)
Hey def, what you think the dc's weakness was hardware wise? I use to know the hardware very well back then but my long term memory sux.
umm
which def?
lol
incase is me(which I doubt), graphics wise? I dont think it had one. what did it have for total sys memory? 24 megs? more memory is always better but I never saw a DC game that seemed to be hurt by what it had to work with.
its custom cpu did the job too. The graphics it gave me for 200.00 was awesome. I miss the DC days :(
Post by: brooksie48 on September 03, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 3 2005, 09:37 PM)
I miss the DC days :(
:( We need a support group.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 03, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
QUOTE(brooksie48 @ Sep 3 2005, 11:24 PM)
:( We need a support group.
can i join?? i still cant sleep good at night :(
i loved what sega did with the DC, still have one.
Post by: incognegro on September 06, 2005, 08:33:00 PM