Post by: aepuppetmaster on July 28, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: yerac on July 28, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
no but seriously that wouldnt be a bad thing to do except they would have to get every one to buy the new one, a lot of people would be like "i just spit aout 400 bucks now they want me to get another one." it might be hard to win over the crowd with another. but then again its only been about 4 years with the first one, so what the hell, it could happen.
Post by: nj12nets on July 28, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: aepuppetmaster on July 29, 2005, 02:07:00 AM
Post by: devguy on July 29, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
Dude... I don't even want to think about something like that now, sorry.
Post by: Andy51 on July 29, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(devguy @ Jul 29 2005, 05:19 PM)
Xbox 720???
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: VariableElite on July 29, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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Actually, MS has a history of pushing major software releases onto the public before they're truly necessary. They may be taking this mindset into the console world, where many feel that the 360 is being released before its time. So a new console in 3-4 years is not entirely out of the question. It'll probably come down to how well the PS3 does at launch.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: M-K-E! on July 29, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
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i get what your sayin...kinda like sega...
nintendo wanted to make there systems last as long as possible without upgrading them..
so sega released new consoles/addons when ever possible...
that would be perfect...except..again, i think people will be sick of buying consoles/addons every 3 years becasue they want to keep up/costantly be better then the competition.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: KAGE360 on July 30, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
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i think most people are taking sony's quote of 10 years the wrong way. im pretty sure they said the same thing about the ps2. think about it, just because they want their system to be supported for 10 years doesnt meant that they wont release another one. even after 10 years there are still companies making games for the ps1 (in japan atleast, correct me if im wrong). so in reality sony can say that the ps1 had a 10 year life time.
MS is wise to release early this generation because it gives them the oppurtunity to have a normal life cycle (5 years) and still release the next console on time. basically they put themselves in the front seat of the cycle, forcing sony to either wait 5 years and be late again or release their next console early.
when listening to sony and their plans, half the time you have to think outside of the norm. the other half of the time you just have to laugh and see how stupid they are.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: bucko on July 30, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
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Well it's funny when my class mates keep saying Halo 3 will appear on the PS3. To be honest I think this guy is trying to say the PS3 is better than the X360 but that is imo.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: KAGE360 on July 30, 2005, 06:37:00 PM
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i dont think hes trying to say anything about whats better. i just think hes misunderstood about what sony plans to do with the grillstation 3 and about how the technology is so different between the gs3 and the 360 that no direct comparison should be made. any doubts about the power of the 360 should download the new Gears of War footage on teamxbox.com. cliffy B states it himself about how sony showed prerendered footage (killzone 2) and how they are going to acheive that level of detail with gears of war. im sure it wont be exactly the same level but just from how he says it you could tell he has very realistic goals. and given what he has acheived with only the alpha kits (25% of the power) its hard not believe him.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 31, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
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Well, they have the BETA kits now, so what you have seen lately of Gears of War is around 70% of the total power without any of the hardware being used to 50% of it's potential. What I mean by this is that everything is probably still laying in one core, including AI, physics, animations, etc.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: KAGE360 on July 31, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
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i thought MS already admitted that for atleast the first year most games would only use one core as companies are still learning how to use the multi core/thread architecture. i dont even think that gears of war uses 70% of the total power, in an interview at xbox.com with cliffy B he stated that at that point of development the game was using roughly 80% of the current dev kits.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 31, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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The current dev kits are around 70%-80% total xbox360 power, they are using 80 percent of that. That means that the game is 50%-60% of what it could be.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: KAGE360 on August 01, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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i dont think there is any real difinitive way to tell how much power a game is using of a system. the current dev kits might be around 80%-90% of the final power but the interview took place when they only had alpha kits which were roughly 25% of the power.
some might say that if gears of war pushes only 80% out of a quarter of the system's power, then that would mean that gears of war only pushing a very small amount of the systems total power. we all know, however, that game development doesnt work that way. talking about how much a game pushes a system is actually pretty useless. different dev teams will learn to push the system in different ways, using different methods. unless the learning curve is to the point of frustration i believe that a console game can always be tweaked and improved apon.
my guess is that gears of war will be a great showcase for the system, but still not come close to the systems total power. just look at the splinter cell series. the first one was thought to have really pushed the xbox hard, but take a look at chaos theory and you will see how much power the first in the series really didnt utilize. once the development community will have come to grips on how to manipulate the multi-core architecture of the system and then the real showcase of the system will come out, and that still seems like atleast a year away. after that the dev teams can then tweak and configure their engines even further to give us games that truly push the 360
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: m_hael on August 01, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
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I think you guys should stop dicussing matters that are beyond your ken and stick to the topic the OP started.
The likelihood that MS begin development on the new xbox fairly soonish is pretty darned high tho its unlikely to be public for many years to come.
a 5/6 year cycle is good for the hardware peeps and bad for the developers... the publishers don't mind either way.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: Dark_Neo on August 06, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 06, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
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Post by: VariableElite on July 29, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: M-K-E! on July 29, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
nintendo wanted to make there systems last as long as possible without upgrading them..
so sega released new consoles/addons when ever possible...
that would be perfect...except..again, i think people will be sick of buying consoles/addons every 3 years becasue they want to keep up/costantly be better then the competition.
Post by: KAGE360 on July 30, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
MS is wise to release early this generation because it gives them the oppurtunity to have a normal life cycle (5 years) and still release the next console on time. basically they put themselves in the front seat of the cycle, forcing sony to either wait 5 years and be late again or release their next console early.
when listening to sony and their plans, half the time you have to think outside of the norm. the other half of the time you just have to laugh and see how stupid they are.
Post by: bucko on July 30, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on July 30, 2005, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on July 31, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on July 31, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on July 31, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on August 01, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
some might say that if gears of war pushes only 80% out of a quarter of the system's power, then that would mean that gears of war only pushing a very small amount of the systems total power. we all know, however, that game development doesnt work that way. talking about how much a game pushes a system is actually pretty useless. different dev teams will learn to push the system in different ways, using different methods. unless the learning curve is to the point of frustration i believe that a console game can always be tweaked and improved apon.
my guess is that gears of war will be a great showcase for the system, but still not come close to the systems total power. just look at the splinter cell series. the first one was thought to have really pushed the xbox hard, but take a look at chaos theory and you will see how much power the first in the series really didnt utilize. once the development community will have come to grips on how to manipulate the multi-core architecture of the system and then the real showcase of the system will come out, and that still seems like atleast a year away. after that the dev teams can then tweak and configure their engines even further to give us games that truly push the 360
Post by: m_hael on August 01, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
The likelihood that MS begin development on the new xbox fairly soonish is pretty darned high tho its unlikely to be public for many years to come.
a 5/6 year cycle is good for the hardware peeps and bad for the developers... the publishers don't mind either way.
Post by: Dark_Neo on August 06, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 06, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(vegittoss151 @ Aug 6 2005, 09:10 PM)
sony was a little overzealous in saying 10 years, a monkey knows that's not possible. But they might have had some motivation in saying so, because the ps2 is much harder to write code for (as you all must know), so the ps3 obviously will be really hard to write code for and it'll be about 5-6 years before devs fully utilize the power of the ps3. meanwhile the 360 will be making more games and money, and releasing a new system.
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Title: Mirco$oft Smart Like A Fox?!?
Post by: KAGE360 on August 07, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on August 07, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Jul 30 2005, 08:35 PM)
i think most people are taking sony's quote of 10 years the wrong way. im pretty sure they said the same thing about the ps2. think about it, just because they want their system to be supported for 10 years doesnt meant that they wont release another one. even after 10 years there are still companies making games for the ps1 (in japan atleast, correct me if im wrong). so in reality sony can say that the ps1 had a 10 year life time.