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Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: CattyKid on July 27, 2005, 07:13:00 PM

Hey.  I keep hearing about how if the console is not released with HD-DVD support on the launch date that it may be integrated into later consoles.  Come on, what do we think the feasibility of that is?
Wouldn't that really hurt developers?  Would they make a version on HD-DVD and DVD-9?  Wouldn't that just screw the people who bought the first version.

My opinion, it (an upgraded system coming out later) ain't happening.  If it's not there on release day, which I hope it will be, it won't be there at all.

You guys?

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: porsche6714 on July 27, 2005, 08:00:00 PM

I know the chances are slim to none that if the HD-DVD is not in the xbox on launch day then it will probably never be in the but I really hope it is.  If they don't have a HD-DVD then they are going to lose a ton of sales to the PS3.  What is a so called nex-gen console without a nex-gen dvd drive.  If they don't have any news of a different dvd drive by the time of the ps3 launch i would be tempted to buy the ps3

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 28, 2005, 06:33:00 AM

QUOTE(yerac @ Jul 27 2005, 10:31 PM)

Yeah i agree, The probobility of them upgrading after launch is very slimm to none. casue that would mean, like you said, dev's would need to make twoversions of every game. unless they got all xboxs recalled and put the new drive in. but once again the chamces of every one doing that and pulling it off sucessfully is very low. less than 1%.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: porsche6714 on July 28, 2005, 10:55:00 AM

Even if it is just for watching movies I really hope they put one in there because that would be a big selling point for me.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: lostboyz on July 28, 2005, 12:30:00 PM

so games would run slower?

HD-DVDs would have relatively low read time. so id rather have a smaller faster reading media, than a huge slow reading one.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: nj12nets on July 28, 2005, 12:54:00 PM

thank you, lost boyz has a brain.  for games why would you want it? first off if devs. dont think its needed and MS included it for people with hdtv for at least 50-100 more in manufacturing costs everyone pays  for it right? why should people who will never use it cause they dont have hdtv have to pay for it especially when it wont be used for gameplay

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 28, 2005, 01:08:00 PM

HD-DVD reads regular DVD's at their maximum speed... 12X I believe.  Just because the drives read HD-DVD at 1X (no idea what KBPS that is) doesn't mean they can't read DVD's at 12X.  If you have a DVD burner, it probably reads DVD's at 8X.  But it also reads CD's at their maximum (52X?).  Therefore, games could come on EITHER medium, just like PS2 offers CDROM or DVDROM games.  If anything, HD-DVD drives will be easier to make read faster because they are the direct evolution of DVD.  Whereas Blu-Ray is totally manufactured differently.  I don't want Blu-Ray.  It will be slow.  HD-DVD doesn't necessarily come with that caveat because the mastering is already familiar.  

I don't really want HD-DVD either because it'll add more cost than DVD.  But on the other hand, it will be the deux ex machina for Toshiba's war.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Mr_Metabolism on August 01, 2005, 04:33:00 PM

HD-DVD's 1X could still be fairly quick couldn't it? Given that DVD's 12X is faster than a CD's 52X.


DVD Transfer speeds

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Carlo210 on August 01, 2005, 04:40:00 PM

Yes it will be slow.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Twasi on August 01, 2005, 08:07:00 PM

These HD-DVD topics are about as annoying as the 'how can we mod it?' topic's it has been discussed many itmes in alot of threads. Bill has stated IF they have HD-DVD it will be intergrated in a later model if that doesn't happen you won't see it at ALL, which is what will very likely happen. There is no reason to think they will have HD-DVD yet other than a few 'IF' comments. I doubt they will include it in a later model because people will be in a big uproar, it would be a bad move.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: The.Deceitful on August 01, 2005, 08:33:00 PM

Twasi is correct. It is unlikely now that MS will include and HD-DVD drive. There is still the possibility, but we don't know and won't know till late in August or so. If MS was to release a later version with HD-DVD it would mean detrimeant to this nex-gen "war". They would be massive uproar in the gaming community, especially umong people like us.

My opinion: There has been speculation and statements from Toshiba saying that MS is "dragging ass" on the topic. I think that there is still 4 months for MS to add an HD-DVD drive. If they didn't they would be kneeling to the PS3's blu-ray. Yes, most people can't afford HDTV's, but MS approach to this console is "the casual gamer with money to spare". This meaning people who will actually use the MCE Extender for music and such in a legit way and the other features that wouldn't benefit just a regular gamer. Someone who just wants to play a good game for an hour or two that don't care for luxories. They could include it without to much production cost. Plus, MS is known for taking a loss and getting profit later. So it's not a complete longshot. Things are not set in stone till a month or two before launch.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Twasi on August 01, 2005, 08:55:00 PM

I was going to say it wouldn't be possible for them to add one because the 360 hitsp roduction lines in a few days (sometime in August according to Allard) but they could still add it later, I just think it's unlikely because they don't want people to wait for the HD-DVD version and possibly get a 360. I don't know, the only reason I think it's annoying is because we simply don't know yet so there really isn't any reason to discuss it, there has been like 4 threads on this and they all end in why DVD9 is better for games than HD-DVD  Maybe they will maybe they won't, there is enough evidence to argue both sides, who knows.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Carlo210 on August 01, 2005, 09:31:00 PM

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Twasi on August 01, 2005, 10:38:00 PM

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 02, 2005, 06:33:00 AM

I doubt this is the case but it would be entertaining none the less.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Twasi on August 02, 2005, 02:11:00 PM

 but then again if they know what HD-DVD is and get it they must be just a little bit tech savy.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: NeuroChemist on August 03, 2005, 05:33:00 AM

)  but remember all the talk j allard and other did about the 360 being "future-proof" ? maybe they actually designed the 360 to be upgradable for a long long time, with relativly cheap add ons? i know this is kind of a strech when you think about the uncertanty of tech companies (mergers ect) and the hardcore gaming market (meaning how many would actually wanna upgrade w/ higher end parts....def. not casual gamers)
i dunno just a thought, they did kinda pound that future proof thing in my head though.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: leo5111 on August 05, 2005, 12:58:00 AM

it will include a  HD-DVD at launch or not at all lets look at this logicaly every console in history that has tried to roll out a major add-on such addon has failed miserably anyone remember sony rolling out their harddrive??or sega trying to add the 32x to the genesis?? as far as  billy boy saying it wont have it  1at launch 1of 2 things is going on MS hasnt given toshiba a straight answer as to whether they will use HD-DVD drives or not to see how low toshiba will drop price to get MS  to use em and they also know for a fact that it would realy damage their headstart on ps3 because a lot of people will wait for version with the HD-DVD if they did officaly announce first versions wont have it it but a later version will or as twistedsymphony said ms might just be playing coy till they make their big announcement which is at end of this month sometime  i forget exactly when

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: atomheartmother on August 05, 2005, 08:56:00 PM

Well HD-DVD is defintely important to me as I will buy a hd-dvd player as soon as possible but to have one in my system off the bat would be a huge selling feature. Also when dvd's start to be weeded out over time and the new format takes its place youll wish it had one. And to those who will say.. well dvd is gonna be the standard for a while yet. Initially yes but by the end of year one this wont be near as true a statement. History shows that when a superior medium is available most will convert to the best available as long as the cost is not out of the question. And the cost on the HD-DVD media will be very comparable (another downfall of the PS3 in my opinion)

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: Moleman on August 05, 2005, 09:09:00 PM

I don't think it will be too important this generation.  Look how long it took to replace VHS.  HD Media and HDTVs are expensive, and the main consumer body won't be using them very much for at least a couple more years.  When format dominance has been established, MS's next console will include the medium.

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: KAGE360 on August 06, 2005, 01:14:00 AM

Title: Does This Make Sense
Post by: CattyKid on August 06, 2005, 12:57:00 PM

First Kage, great points.