Post by: NightL1fe on July 17, 2005, 06:06:00 AM
anyone who owned Wireless contollers with or without force feedback, knows the batterys dont last forever.
what is M$ and $ony willing to do about it? is there a docking station for our controllers to recharge? (with included Lithium batterys?) . Are they gonna provide us with a recharging port on the controller? How many and what size batterys does it take?
Is there a battery level indicator? I hate to be playing my favorite game and just when i'm getting into it, the battery dies out, so
A) i have to recharge
run to convience store to shell out $5-$8 for more batterys?!also if you have 4 controllers (7 on PS2) how many batterys together you will need to recharge/replace everytime? LOL
my 2 cents..
Post by: chris_kalan on July 17, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
You can buy rechargeable AAs that are pretty long lasting, so when you turn off the controller, just plug the AAs into the wall charger or whatever.
I believe MS will be releasing Li-Ion battery packs, or at least some third party will, so that should solve the problem of buying multiple batteries. If you buy one Li-Ion battery for each controller, lets say that is under $100 for about 4 or 5 controllers (and that's more than most people have anyways), then you are saving the money becaue you won't be replacing the batteries, just keep recharging them.
Yes, MS has some sort of docking station for this, I have seen pictures, but am too lazy to post them. Anyone?
Post by: SkateorDie on July 17, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=409271
Post by: chris_kalan on July 17, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: chris_kalan on July 17, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: Moleman on July 17, 2005, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 17, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(chris_kalan @ Jul 17 2005, 04:19 PM)
Hrmmmm....it seems someone's stickies are incomplete. YES, incomplete, so it wouldn't have made a difference. ...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 18, 2005, 06:39:00 AM
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If you don't want to drop $80 on the cords or charging station or duracells... Just get a $30 rechargable pack from any electronics store. They come with 8 rechargable AA's a nd the better ones take about 15 min to charge. Just enough time to pop some more
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: chris_kalan on July 18, 2005, 07:07:00 AM
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Hey, sorry twistedsymphony, I didn't mean it maliciously to any extent. Also, I meant it wouldn't make a difference when talking about the recharging station in question. Sorry again, didn't mean it to sound rude or disrespectful.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 18, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 18, 2005, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: chris_kalan on July 18, 2005, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 18, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
QUOTE(chris_kalan @ Jul 18 2005, 09:18 AM)
Hey, sorry twistedsymphony, I didn't mean it maliciously to any extent. Also, I meant it wouldn't make a difference when talking about the recharging station in question. Sorry again, didn't mean it to sound rude or disrespectful.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: DaBoyBk on July 22, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
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Post by: DaBoyBk on July 22, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
QUOTE(brooksie48 @ Jul 17 2005, 05:10 PM)
The batteries will last 40 hours( with dual AAs) You can do the math, that= 8 AA for 4 controllers . The controller does have an idicator of remaining battery life. The play and charge kit is a first party rechargable battery set which will plug into the usb port of the xbox 360. You do not need to stop action to do this. Clueless people fondle my flaming sensations, but sadly I did not give into the urge.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: mirx999 on July 22, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
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Post by: mirx999 on July 22, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 17 2005, 10:09 PM)
incoplete maybe... but in all due respect I myself I had never seen that charging bay you posted and I try to keep up with everything 360. 
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Chance_P on July 22, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
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is the 40 hours including the vibration on full, and a headset plugged into the controller? i bet that cuts time in half, if not more...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Twasi on July 23, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
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Post by: Chance_P on July 22, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Twasi on July 23, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Chance_P @ Jul 23 2005, 07:57 AM)
is the 40 hours including the vibration on full, and a headset plugged into the controller? i bet that cuts time in half, if not more...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Andy51 on July 23, 2005, 08:53:00 AM
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Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
Post by: Andy51 on July 23, 2005, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 18 2005, 03:09 AM)
incoplete maybe... but in all due respect I myself I had never seen that charging bay you posted and I try to keep up with everything 360.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
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Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(NightL1fe @ Jul 17 2005, 06:17 AM)
Okok, so we're all past the ooh and ahh of the next gen consoles controller designs.. but has anyone really sat down and thought about how much its gonna cost the average joe to keep his controllers running?
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
QUOTE(NightL1fe @ Jul 17 2005, 02:17 PM)
has anyone really sat down and thought about how much its gonna cost the average joe to keep his controllers running?
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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can u plug in and play though?
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
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You controller is dying. You say damnit, I'm still playing though. You plug in the charge and play kit (notice the name). Your controllers MS Rechargeable battery is trickle charged (usb) while you play. Obviously, your controller will charge up about twice as slow as it would if you weren't playing while it was charging.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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wow thats asum. what the deal with this 360 being "unmoddable"?
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: M-K-E! on July 23, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
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yeah, the 40 hours is with full vibration...
i get about 60 hours with rumble on with my current wireless controller...i got about 3 month's out of my old wireless controller with rumble disabled...
and im not sure what nintendo and sony are going to do about the problem, but ms is going to include a cable so you can plug in your controller's when the batteries die or get low...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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I guess they will have the same thing. It's not that hard to manufacture.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
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im still not convinced the "rechargable" kits will hold their charge over time...as with any rechargable product - each time you recharge it the power is less - a laptop battery lasts about 6-8months then needs replacing.
If your going wireless i think you have to expect to replace the rechargable batteries on a 6 month basis.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
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havent you been reading? weve been speaking aboput the rechargable battery, its an accesory
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
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Ye, thats what im refering too - the rechargable battery given 30-40 recharges will last less and less time each time you rechanged eventually getting down to 30mins max which is pointless therefore you will need to get a new rechargable battery. I anticipate the period of time to reach a level of unusability to be 6-8months...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
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Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
can u plug in and play though?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: M-K-E! on July 23, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
i get about 60 hours with rumble on with my current wireless controller...i got about 3 month's out of my old wireless controller with rumble disabled...
and im not sure what nintendo and sony are going to do about the problem, but ms is going to include a cable so you can plug in your controller's when the batteries die or get low...
Post by: Carlo210 on July 23, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
If your going wireless i think you have to expect to replace the rechargable batteries on a 6 month basis.
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: XBSC on July 23, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: SickJoda on July 23, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
QUOTE(XBSC @ Jul 24 2005, 04:38 AM)
Ye, thats what im refering too - the rechargable battery given 30-40 recharges will last less and less time each time you rechanged eventually getting down to 30mins max which is pointless therefore you will need to get a new rechargable battery. I anticipate the period of time to reach a level of unusability to be 6-8months...
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
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maybe, havent had much experience with rechargable AA Batteries.
But when you look at laptop, mobile phone and the original Ipod batteries all suffer from the above described problem.
The affects are more apparent when you charge the batteries continuously when not in use...if you wait for them to go completely flat and then give them a full charge they last for longer.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
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I know what you mean, but I'd rather have that then pay for the batteries myself. Then again, I'd probably end up plugging in the usb cable and playing wired since I'd be playing on a desk anyways (meaning im close to the screen and xbox360).
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
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Yup that was the decision myself and mates have taken - getting the wired USB controllers.
Wireless controllers great idea, but for the sake of a wire seems like im investing alot of extra cash when i ideally need 4 controllers.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
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I don't think that the wireless controllers arent a seperate product. Wouldn't you just plug in a usb cable to the top of the controller and into the ports on the console?
It sounds kind of stupid to sell wired controllers along side with wired ones. This is just a waste of resources in manufacturing.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:55:00 AM
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i heard the wireless controller has a USB port in the top, however i didnt know if thats confirmed? If so then ye all good, use wireless when required and wired the rest of the time.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
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Yeah. Well, I took a look at the controller pics again and the charge and play kit plugs into a plus on the controller. There is only one plus, though. There is no space for a usb plug. I dont't know, we'll wait till all is announced, it'll give me less of a headache.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Bogus8 on July 24, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
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Selling both make great sense... cost is MUCH cheaper on non-wireless and lost of peeps would rather not deal with the hassle (I'm one).
USB port on the wireless controller is not likely... that means xmitting USB data wirelessly... I know that's technically what the controller is doing but I'm betting it's MUCH more streamlined than say "anything that can come down a usb port" I could be wrong.. but I don't see the need for MS to worry about it.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 06:23:00 AM
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/me bangs head against the table repeatedly....
@anyone who can't believe there is a wired controller:
the wired and wireless controllers are two completely separate entities. Just like Nintendo makes both wired and wireless controllers for the GC, MS will make both flavors as well. Those people who have a difficult time wrapping their head around the idea that a company could make more than one version of a controller need to look at the official MS documentation. There are two different controllers, one is wired one is not, it's not an issue under debate, IT IS A FACT.
@Bogus8:
There IS a USB port on the top of the controller. it's a non-standard shaped connector (just like the current Gen Xbox controller ports are non standard). The point of the USB port on the top is to provide a wired connection to the console.... MANY MANY MANY devices have USB ports on them for the purpose of connecting to a computer... this is no different. My digital camera has a USB port, so does my Scanner, and lots of other stuff... the Wireless controller is no different. It's is simply a port to connect the essential "B" end of a USB cable for wired communication instead of wireless.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Andy51 on July 25, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
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You mean some people actually believe there aren't wired controllers?
Okay, just believe Twisted... Simply put...
Just to add up
.MS. will be the first console maker to ever have wireless controllers as the standard controller...
So basically for example... When you buy the Xbox 360 in a box, expect a wireless controller in there, sure there could be other packages with an Xbox 360 and a wired controller...
But yes, wireless controllers are standard, one of the reason why .MS. decided to throw in the wired controller is that some people don't like to keep replacing AA batteries, makes me wonder why SONY hasn't done anything on the wired controller thing?
Unless I'm deaf, which I actually am, so we'll go with blind instead?
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
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Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
But when you look at laptop, mobile phone and the original Ipod batteries all suffer from the above described problem.
The affects are more apparent when you charge the batteries continuously when not in use...if you wait for them to go completely flat and then give them a full charge they last for longer.
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
Wireless controllers great idea, but for the sake of a wire seems like im investing alot of extra cash when i ideally need 4 controllers.
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
It sounds kind of stupid to sell wired controllers along side with wired ones. This is just a waste of resources in manufacturing.
Post by: XBSC on July 24, 2005, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on July 24, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on July 24, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
USB port on the wireless controller is not likely... that means xmitting USB data wirelessly... I know that's technically what the controller is doing but I'm betting it's MUCH more streamlined than say "anything that can come down a usb port" I could be wrong.. but I don't see the need for MS to worry about it.
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 06:23:00 AM
@anyone who can't believe there is a wired controller:
the wired and wireless controllers are two completely separate entities. Just like Nintendo makes both wired and wireless controllers for the GC, MS will make both flavors as well. Those people who have a difficult time wrapping their head around the idea that a company could make more than one version of a controller need to look at the official MS documentation. There are two different controllers, one is wired one is not, it's not an issue under debate, IT IS A FACT.
@Bogus8:
There IS a USB port on the top of the controller. it's a non-standard shaped connector (just like the current Gen Xbox controller ports are non standard). The point of the USB port on the top is to provide a wired connection to the console.... MANY MANY MANY devices have USB ports on them for the purpose of connecting to a computer... this is no different. My digital camera has a USB port, so does my Scanner, and lots of other stuff... the Wireless controller is no different. It's is simply a port to connect the essential "B" end of a USB cable for wired communication instead of wireless.
Post by: Andy51 on July 25, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
Okay, just believe Twisted... Simply put...
Just to add up
.MS. will be the first console maker to ever have wireless controllers as the standard controller...
So basically for example... When you buy the Xbox 360 in a box, expect a wireless controller in there, sure there could be other packages with an Xbox 360 and a wired controller...
But yes, wireless controllers are standard, one of the reason why .MS. decided to throw in the wired controller is that some people don't like to keep replacing AA batteries, makes me wonder why SONY hasn't done anything on the wired controller thing?
Unless I'm deaf, which I actually am, so we'll go with blind instead?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 25 2005, 02:34 PM)
/me bangs head against the table repeatedly....
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
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No, unfortunetly the wire isn't included... it's part of the "play and charge" kit.
basically the kit includes the wire as well as the rechargable battery.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 01:44:00 PM
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 01:52:00 PM
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I would venture a guess that the only real difference between using the wireless controller in wired mode, and the actual wired controller is the wireless one probably weighs more.
Aside from that they should "feel" like the same controller when you're playing.
I'm sure the wired controllers will be cheaper, and I wouldn't doubt that being the only reason MS is offering them. Most likely they're shipping with the Wireless Controller only so people get a taste/feel for it and like it and buy that one (more expensive) over the wired version.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
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Well it might not interfere with usign the shoulder buttons by blocking them or anything, but I can image that it will cramp your fingers into using the tip of your fingers to press the shoulder buttons because the kit is in the way.
Also, the wired version won't have the big battery pack in the back, so thats convenient too for people with big hands.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Andy51 on July 25, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
basically the kit includes the wire as well as the rechargable battery.
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 25, 2005, 01:52:00 PM
I would venture a guess that the only real difference between using the wireless controller in wired mode, and the actual wired controller is the wireless one probably weighs more.
Aside from that they should "feel" like the same controller when you're playing.
I'm sure the wired controllers will be cheaper, and I wouldn't doubt that being the only reason MS is offering them. Most likely they're shipping with the Wireless Controller only so people get a taste/feel for it and like it and buy that one (more expensive) over the wired version.
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
Also, the wired version won't have the big battery pack in the back, so thats convenient too for people with big hands.
Post by: Andy51 on July 25, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jul 25 2005, 09:55 PM)
Oh I was talking about a different device, but now I completely understand what you are talking about.
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Bogus8 on July 26, 2005, 01:33:00 AM
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Post by: Carlo210 on July 25, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Bogus8 on July 26, 2005, 01:33:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 25 2005, 07:34 AM)
@Bogus8:
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 26, 2005, 06:31:00 AM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on July 26, 2005, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Jul 26 2005, 03:44 AM)
I understand that... no problem there... I thought they were talking about usb ports as in the old controller where the controller is a hub and those are incoming ports... a USB port to hook it up to the xbox makes total sense... just no the other way around (like todays controllers can use memsticks, mouse, keyboard whatever you can adapt and xbox has drivers for)
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Title: Wireless Controllers, Battery Life?
Post by: Andy51 on July 26, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
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Post by: Andy51 on July 26, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jul 26 2005, 04:18 AM)
You mean you're. Sorry, just had to do that.