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Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 01, 2005, 08:59:00 PM

QUOTE

"The Xbox 360 has enough power without all the cores going into use. Even if just a single core is used for a game, it will still be several more times powerful than machines up until now. But we aren't satisfied at that kind of a level. Our programmers are having fun playing around with the machine. They're swinging around all the cores and making a game that shows the powers of the Xbox 360. Itagaki said that the Xbox 360's 512MB of main memory is more than enough for games, but he feels that the machine's media might bring up some problems. He said he would have preferred MS to adopt the high-capacity HD-DVD format, but he said that, given the next-gen disc format wars, he could live with MS's decision."

Article: http://www.gamespot....ws_6128504.html

There's alot more in the article, it was a good read. Looks like the real developers are pretty happy about the 360, just further proves the anandtech article was BS. He addresses all of the main inssues and while the team is not happy with all of the decisions they can understand and live with them. according to Itagaki. He also addresses the rumor of team ninja moving to the PS3.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 01, 2005, 10:41:00 PM

Yeah I didn't really care they werent going to have HD-DVD but then he mentioned it would be nice and they were shocked that they didn't include it, and it might eventually constrain games but I'm sure by the the time that becomes an issue they will have better compression techniques and such. I'm also interested in the announcement. It's supposed to be "big" so I'm really curious about it. It could be hardware related which would be interesting or more likely new developers/price? Who knows, it should be interesting none the less.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: brooksie48 on July 01, 2005, 11:47:00 PM

QUOTE(mirx999 @ Jul 2 2005, 01:45 AM)

maybe he was trying to drop a hint while keeping the HD-DVD speculation to a minimum? That or he wanted to increase the effect of an HD-DVD announcement. I think that if he kills the hype about the big announcement, there will be a bigger reaction once the media format change is announced. Or maybe I'm looking into it too much.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: nj12nets on July 02, 2005, 12:10:00 AM

but us americans are lazy and arrogant. the huge announcement will either be stupid and mean nothing or it will be HD-DVD probably. i could be wrong but its probably gonna be nothing big if its not the format switch.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 02, 2005, 12:13:00 AM

If it's not the format switch I hope it's some nice new exclusive developers. New developers are always nice.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: m_hael on July 02, 2005, 12:25:00 AM

QUOTE(brooksie48 @ Jul 2 2005, 12:24 AM)

I say we all blackmail m_hael until he tells us. shhh M_Hael pm and I wont tell any of them.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: KAGE360 on July 02, 2005, 01:01:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Jul 2 2005, 02:36 AM)

we don't get told anything that doesn't concern immediate development schedules. Media format does not change them in any way or form.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 02, 2005, 01:12:00 AM

but M_hael, I just happen to have a snickers sitting here... just waiting to be eaten.... but who ever will I give it too? Tell me the 360's secrets So chocolately... so goooood.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: KAGE360 on July 02, 2005, 01:29:00 AM

lol you guys crack me up

but it looks like i might atleast be half right

http://www.xbox-evol....php?artid=2355

famitsu already said that it invovles a game announcement. although i doubt that the whole conference/show will be centered around just one game, im sure something big will be the finale. in all honesty the only big japanese game i can see to make that big of a splash is final fantasy appearing on 360 (other then that rehashed ps2 POS port) but i dont see square giving MS THAT much support right off the bat of their starting relationship

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 02, 2005, 01:51:00 AM

Yeah I think alot of it will have to do with the beta kits being shipped. By then it will have alot of demo's to show off it's power, kinnda fits in with itagaki's reference to if they should make a new DOA4 demo for that conference or to work on the game. Right now I guess it could be anything alot of things fit.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: KAGE360 on July 02, 2005, 08:07:00 AM

they shouldnt bother making a new demo for the show but instead just show what kind of work and progress the game has made so far. i think it would be more impressive just to show some footage rather then putting together a demo that was intended on showing off the games best features. i know some think there is no difference but im sure a specialized demo for a show takes some time out of a development schedule atleast a few weeks if not more. or better yet if its at all possible, dont know this much about game development yet, but if they can just take the script from the E3 movie and just replace it with the game engine running on updated hardware that would show people better then anything how far the game has come along within such a short amount of time. basically i hope they are able to show those who were skeptic about the video that the game will be next gen without putting too much effort into it.

i was worried at first glance of the video but then i remember when DoA3 first showed many said it didnt look much better then DoA2 on dreamcast/ps2. i loved how the vid looked, the backgrounds were gorgeous but the characters lacked that next gen leap. they can keep the models the same but atleast give us strands of hair not that crap on their heads that was clipping everywhere. but i did read in an interview of how that is one of the issues that will be addressed when future hardware gets in their hands. either way i have faith that MS and team ninja will make a big splash in a couple weeks

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 02, 2005, 05:44:00 PM

That article also mentions the demo was running on the alpha kit so DOA4 looked like it did at 25% power

should be a good game, they always are.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: KAGE360 on July 03, 2005, 05:55:00 PM

not only was the game running on hardware 25% of the full power but the game itself was only 15% complete

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 04, 2005, 09:36:00 AM

QUOTE

"We're currently thinking of whether we should create a new trailer for the upcoming Xbox 360 announcement in July, or if we should go straight ahead to work on the completion of the game,"

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: KAGE360 on July 04, 2005, 11:03:00 AM

i doubt it, if it is then great but famitsu already said its going to be an announcement about 3rd party games and such. i dont really see how a HD-DVD drive would excite the japanese gamers. they may talk more about it or even announcement it, but i dont see that being the highlight of the show

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 04, 2005, 11:24:00 AM

It's going to be lots of things, a HD-DVD announcement isn't out of the realm of possibilities, it's not going to be just developers and it's not going to be just an announcement about HD-DVD. If it's as big as they say it's going to be they would have to have alot more to announce and I also think they plan on showing all it's accesories in action and the beta kits power etc.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 04, 2005, 11:45:00 AM

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im sure theyre going to be some third party anouncement(s) but i definitely dont think that thats the anouncement he is refering to in the interview. Why would he need to prepare a new doa trailer for another company anouncing support for the 360? that makes no sense. Its obviously something that pertains to that trailer. HD DVD makes more sense. Read the quote:

QUOTE

We're currently thinking of whether we should create a new trailer for the upcoming Xbox 360 announcement in July, or if we should go straight ahead to work on the completion of the game,"

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: M-K-E! on July 04, 2005, 11:46:00 AM

i think, i will tell you what the big announcement is gonna be in about a month...

but either way, i kinda hope it isnt about the hd-dvd because i really dont wanna pay more for my system...

the ps3's blue ray drive costs 100$ to manufacture, while a simple 12xdvd drive costs about 10...and ms already said they didnt want to take as much of a per-console loss as they did with the xbox..

but either way, i dont think it will be as much of a let down as last years "sega has awesome news that is going to excite it's hardcore fans"

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 04, 2005, 12:03:00 PM

I don't think it will cost more, the fact is Toshiba really want's to get it's HD-DVD drives out there and M$ was very wary of going with anything but DVD-9 so there must be some sweet deal for them because otherwise I don't see them accepting it. The whole point of this project was to keep it affordable. There have been alot of articles lately about the hardware and why they chose what they did and it was mainly to keep it cheap, so why would they put all the work in keeping the price down then go out and use HD-DVD when DVD-9 would work fine. I think they are getting these drive VERY cheap so it shouldn't effect the price.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 04, 2005, 12:34:00 PM

), I just don't think that's gonna happen. I'm betting on the announcement of the Price and Release Dates.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Andy51 on July 04, 2005, 02:21:00 PM

The Big News: MS Owns Sony, all your Japanese gamers belong to us or Nintendo, but us since we own Final Fanstay...

I wish for that news, but sure MS's rich enough, but I know they won't do that.

The news is maybe a change in Hardware, new games announced or restored.. can we say True Fanstay Online? Some developers, new ones or one stoled from Nintendo or Sony.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 04, 2005, 08:11:00 PM

Haha, I believe Nintendo owns the japanese market in the handheld market and Sony in the console market, Seriously look at these console sales between june 20 - 26

1. Nintendo DS - 32,789 / 1,001,428 units
2. PlayStation 2 - 28,515 / 1,038,891 units
3. GameBoy Advance SP - 21,904 / 368,384 units
4. PlayStation Portable - 20,862 / 954,945 units
5. GameCube - 2,649 / 119,991units
6. GameBoy Advance - 452 / 12,888 units
7. Xbox - 184 / 8,008 units

I honestly believe the japanese have started to wear these PS2's as hats....

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Andy51 on July 05, 2005, 09:32:00 AM

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 05, 2005, 08:24:00 PM

I know I'm just saying I don't understand how they can sell 28,000 in just one week. This gen is coming to an end and they are still selling massive amounts in one of the smallest markets. I don't understand it.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Carlo210 on July 06, 2005, 10:16:00 AM

Did you just say Japan is a small market?!?!?!?!

Japan is one of the biggest buyers for electronics and these god forsaken videogames.
Have you ever been on the streets of Japan or Hong kong? All you see are Kareoke games and street fighters etc. They love videogames!
Japan is one of the biggest videogame markets, let alone electronics markets.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: deftonesmx17 on July 06, 2005, 10:45:00 AM

QUOTE(Twasi @ Jul 5 2005, 10:35 PM)

I don't understand how they can sell 28,000 in just one week.

Maybe because they break every month.

I went through 3 PS2's since 2000. And we all know how well the PStwo's hold together.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Andy51 on July 06, 2005, 07:48:00 PM

QUOTE(Twasi @ Jul 6 2005, 04:35 AM)

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 12, 2005, 10:23:00 AM

japan? a small market? maybe in penis size but...........

anyways im just kidding, japan is a huge market, not as big as the us market ( which is a recent development)

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Twasi on July 12, 2005, 07:19:00 PM

Japan isn't as small as some markets but it's population is only 127million, There are quiet a few countries that are much bigger, It doesn't even make the top 5, of course the general population may have more money than some of the other countries, but I think it has always been considered inbetween a small market and a major market such as the UK. If it was bigger I could guarantee you M$ would be doing a hell of alot more to sway people over there.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Andy51 on July 13, 2005, 10:57:00 AM

QUOTE(scienide @ Jul 13 2005, 09:33 AM)

when is this announcement in japan...

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Replex on July 13, 2005, 01:40:00 PM

Meh we all know the announcement will be Nintendo merging with MS to create the Xbox Revolution.

ok anyways, taking all things into consideration here...

MS blew the lid off the Xbox 360 at E3, revealing most of the tech specs, manufacturer information, developers, etc. PS3 at the time was then perceived to be the more powerful system (albeit due to some specific wording that Sony used.) Sony then began to throw out 2 things in Xbox's face... Cell processor FLOPs and higher capacity (Blu-Ray.) Now for MS to combat this they have 2 options, one unlikely and one halfway reasonable. 1) Unlikely: MS increases clock speeds on their processors, doubt it. 2) They talk to their partner Toshiba and they get a great deal on HD-DVD. MS marketing would love this, reduce PS's supposed claim to supremacy while also helping out their own product while Toshiba is getting a first-to-market advantage and a stronger userbase with HD discs.

HD-DVD/BLU-RAY players are going to be expensive, if Toshiba sucks it up they will have a cheap solution to market (Xbox 360) and have a better chance of winning the format war.

You decide.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Replex on July 13, 2005, 06:42:00 PM

Don't get me wrong thax, that would be a good thing for MS to do also, but consumers want to be ensured that they are getting a good product. Games will look amazing im sure, but MS being able to also claim HD-DVD support will go a long way to help both companies causes.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: chris_kalan on July 13, 2005, 09:30:00 PM

Well the problem with Sony is that they have tried and failed with formats they thought would boom, but flopped. The BluRay disc could go either way. I personally think HD-DVD is the clear winner because the general population knows what a DVD is, and it will be easier to tell them HD-DVD because they will just think better. BluRay they will think....Blue what?

Replex: Numbers mean nothing. Current gen XBOX games look AMAZING and think about what they're running on: 733MHz, 64MB RAM...... My computer is 1.7GHz, a 128MB Radeon 9250, 512MB RAM, and I can't run games half as well.

Also, we don;t know anything about the cell other than Sony says it is damn fast. Every source I have read post-E3 hype says the XBOX360 will be the more powerful of the systems because of the architecture. It will also mean more games in a shorter amount of times because the development methods are the same. Developers have to get used to the PS3 because the chip is completely different architecture. In that sense, it is a drawback for the PS3. At this point, until we SEE something, we can;t really do anything more than speculate.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 14, 2005, 06:35:00 AM

QUOTE(chris_kalan @ Jul 14 2005, 12:41 AM)

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 14, 2005, 06:52:00 AM

QUOTE

When it comes to high-definition content that promises crisper visual and sound quality, customers favor the Sony-backed Blu-ray format of next-generation optical disks over the rival HD-DVD format, according to a Blu-ray-sponsored study released Wednesday.

Some 58 percent of respondents said they preferred Blu-ray while 16 percent favored Toshiba-backed HD-DVD, according to the May survey of 1,250 consumers by Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates for the Blu-ray Disc Association. Another 26 percent were undecided.

hmmm..........

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: chris_kalan on July 14, 2005, 08:51:00 AM

I thin it is great to have larger disk space, because that means that you can cram extras, videos, interviews, and obviously more game content into a game. Here is the thing, though: if a game takes a year to develop (by today's standards), it will fill up approximately 60-80% of an XBOX disc (ie Splinter Cell CT). That means either the team would have to be double the size to crank out double the amount in the same amount of time, or the same size team would take double as long to crank out double the amount. Bungie may have the money because MS is fronting them. Smaller companies? And Blu Ray is 8x the size of a regular DVD. Companies will have trouble filling 2x the size, let alone 8x. I agree with LowProfileWurm, there isn't enough time or content to really require a 30GB disc yet. I mean, the hard drive on the PS3 won't even be that big! (Which would be good for modding, cuz it means with a 120GB drive, you can only have like 3 games on it!

Not to mention load times would be horrible, even if all the data was uncompressed.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 14, 2005, 11:03:00 AM

QUOTE(chris_kalan @ Jul 14 2005, 12:02 PM)

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 14, 2005, 12:12:00 PM

Team ninja sell millions in japan........and america to a lesser extent. i wouldnt call them small

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 14, 2005, 02:19:00 PM

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jul 14 2005, 03:23 PM)

Team ninja sell millions in japan........and america to a lesser extent. i wouldnt call them small

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: chris_kalan on July 14, 2005, 04:10:00 PM

In some instances, the more time a game takes, the more data is produced. It doesn't always happen though. That means a game that takes ayear to develop may be 2GB in size, and a game that took 3 years may also be 2GB. So if it takes 3 years to only get 2GB, imagine how long it might take to get even close to 10GB, let alone 30GB. Now, by that token, time doesn't have correlation to how much data, so another three years go by, and the game is now 4 or 5GB. Still a Blu Ray disc is not even close to being full. Now what?

I mean, it doesn't make sense to go for the more expensive option, especially if the whole medium (or at least half) is used.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Replex on July 15, 2005, 02:50:00 PM

QUOTE(chris_kalan @ Jul 14 2005, 05:41 AM)

Replex: Numbers mean nothing. Current gen XBOX games look AMAZING and think about what they're running on: 733MHz, 64MB RAM...... My computer is 1.7GHz, a 128MB Radeon 9250, 512MB RAM, and I can't run games half as well.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 15, 2005, 03:12:00 PM

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Jul 14 2005, 06:30 PM)

But they only focus on developing two games at a time. Unlike EA and Activision that develop 5+ games at a time. Team Ninja has put out how many games over it's lifetime? 8 games? That's how many EA Sports does in 1 year. That's why I called them small. But it was just an example.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Foe-hammer on July 16, 2005, 03:55:00 AM

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Jul 14 2005, 10:30 PM)

Team Ninja has put out how many games over it's lifetime? 8 games? That's how many EA Sports does in 1 year.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: LowProfileWurm on July 16, 2005, 07:03:00 AM

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jul 15 2005, 06:23 PM)

small in size but big in name.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 16, 2005, 07:08:00 AM

you missed out doa for psone which was superior to the saturn version......

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Replex on July 16, 2005, 10:38:00 AM

QUOTE(medievil @ Jul 16 2005, 01:28 PM)

Last poll I saw xbox 360 had like 10% interest in Japan, Ps3= 60% and Revolution=30%

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 16, 2005, 11:04:00 AM

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jul 16 2005, 11:19 AM)

you missed out doa for psone which was superior to the saturn version......

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Foe-hammer on July 16, 2005, 01:35:00 PM

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Jul 16 2005, 03:14 PM)

Not all of EA... I said EA Sports. And their games are just recycled garbage for the most part. But even so, Tecmo has not come out with "hundreds" of games... try 50. That's how many EA Sports has done in Xbox's 4 years.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 16, 2005, 03:22:00 PM

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: kubafett on July 16, 2005, 05:31:00 PM

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 16, 2005, 06:02:00 PM

Infact, most of the ps2 owners I know only have it because they get the early release for GTA.

If there were so many "great games" for ps2, everyone we all know that owns one would have a plethora of games for it.

For all you multiple console owners...how many games do you have for each respective system? Im curious.

Im sure I'l get flamed for this post...bring it fuggers

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 16, 2005, 08:11:00 PM

from everything ive read, the xbox has held the highest attach rate since it launched.

maybe that # for ps2 was just for that month?

none of you multiple console owners have answered yet?

which system do you have more games for?

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 16, 2005, 08:21:00 PM

QUOTE

Xbox continues to lead the industry with a 7.8 software attach rate for June , the highest cumulative attach rate of any console at this point in the lifecycle.

lifecycle being the keyword.

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: incognegro on July 22, 2005, 02:54:00 PM

anyways i had about 15 games for my ps2

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Deftech on July 22, 2005, 03:16:00 PM

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jul 22 2005, 07:05 PM)

I have multiple consoles i have about 4 games for the cube and 76 for my xbox........had a ps2 but sold it awhile back for some xbox games

Title: Itagaki Happy With 360 (interview)
Post by: Carlo210 on July 22, 2005, 06:12:00 PM

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jul 22 2005, 11:05 PM)

had a ps2 but sold it awhile back for some xbox games

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