Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
Revolution=Backwards Compatability
Therefore...
XBox360=Backwards Compatability
There will be patches available on Live to support almost every single game made for XBox so that you can play it on 360. Mark my words.
You may even be able to get them from XBox.com and download them to a USB mass stroage device, then transfer to your HDD.
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
Similar to how they had to sell the dvd playback kit to recoup off of royalties. Plus , WE are the ones that begged for BC when MS didn't want it in the first place! So who you think is gonna pay those royalties? Just something to think about............
Post by: Infamous_One on June 11, 2005, 04:32:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 11, 2005, 06:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jun 12 2005, 01:28 AM)
Well not having BC is a big kick in the market ass.
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Title: Backwards Compatibility Details
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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I don't think theyre going to charge us for BC, honestly but like i said, how are they gonna recoup?
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Title: Backwards Compatibility Details
Post by: incognegro on June 12, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
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MS has siad before that there goal is to get everything running on the system by launch and NO PATCHES or UPGRADES are needed to d/l. I think it was mAjor Nelson that said that. So its still up in the air. I think its going to be incorparated in the system price somehow.
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Title: Backwards Compatibility Details
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 07:07:00 AM
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I very highly doubt that we'll be paying for BC.
If you own the game already then you've already paid for it. How exactly would MS justify charging you for it again. How would the game companies allow MS to charge people to play THEIR games. They can't justify it and they probably wont charge you.
The Emulation is at the chip level built into the GPU... therefor regardless of "profiles" (which I'll get to in a second) the emulation is being performed by HARDWARE which means that MS will be required to pay nVidia hardware royalties. This mean that more likely than not the cost of BC will be absorbed into the overall price of the console, NOT the individual games. I think that if Ms was planning on charging for BC they would not have said that the Xbox would be Backwards Compatible, but maybe "Xbox Ready". the term Backwards Compatible itself implies that there are no strings attached.
As for "game profiles"... from reading the description it sounds like it's nothing more than a config file. It just sets a few parameters for the emulator to tell it how to run more efficiently with that particular game.
I'd be willing to bet that once we crack the 360 we'll be able to modify the profiles ourselves or even write our own profiles for homebrew apps/games or whatever MS missed.
I would even go as far as to say that the 360 could probably still run games that have no profile, just not as efficiently as those that do.
I REALLY don't understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over this. How many of you have ever used an emulator on a PC? You know all those settings you can change to tweak how your game runs? yeah it's probably nothing more than presets of that.
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Title: Backwards Compatibility Details
Post by: incognegro on June 14, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
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My thoughts exactly
You took the words right out of my mouth and dressed them with supreme eloquence.
Hopefully if hacked the 'profiles' can be altered to improve stuff like graphics (halo2 pop up textures come to mind
)
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Title: Backwards Compatibility Details
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 14, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
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Ya, like the ps2 was 100% compatible with ps1 games. Hypocrite......
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on June 12, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 07:07:00 AM
If you own the game already then you've already paid for it. How exactly would MS justify charging you for it again. How would the game companies allow MS to charge people to play THEIR games. They can't justify it and they probably wont charge you.
The Emulation is at the chip level built into the GPU... therefor regardless of "profiles" (which I'll get to in a second) the emulation is being performed by HARDWARE which means that MS will be required to pay nVidia hardware royalties. This mean that more likely than not the cost of BC will be absorbed into the overall price of the console, NOT the individual games. I think that if Ms was planning on charging for BC they would not have said that the Xbox would be Backwards Compatible, but maybe "Xbox Ready". the term Backwards Compatible itself implies that there are no strings attached.
As for "game profiles"... from reading the description it sounds like it's nothing more than a config file. It just sets a few parameters for the emulator to tell it how to run more efficiently with that particular game.
I'd be willing to bet that once we crack the 360 we'll be able to modify the profiles ourselves or even write our own profiles for homebrew apps/games or whatever MS missed.
I would even go as far as to say that the 360 could probably still run games that have no profile, just not as efficiently as those that do.
I REALLY don't understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over this. How many of you have ever used an emulator on a PC? You know all those settings you can change to tweak how your game runs? yeah it's probably nothing more than presets of that.
Post by: incognegro on June 14, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
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If you own the game already then you've already paid for it. How exactly would MS justify charging you for it again. How would the game companies allow MS to charge people to play THEIR games. They can't justify it and they probably wont charge you.
My thoughts exactly
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This mean that more likely than not the cost of BC will be absorbed into the overall price of the console
You took the words right out of my mouth and dressed them with supreme eloquence.
Hopefully if hacked the 'profiles' can be altered to improve stuff like graphics (halo2 pop up textures come to mind
)
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 14, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
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As for Xbox, when the new generation comes out this November, the current Xbox will become the old generation. So when that happens, the Xbox will be killing itself. The only way to avoid that is to support 100% [backward] compatibility from the first day. But MS wont be able to commit to that, it is technically complicated.
Ya, like the ps2 was 100% compatible with ps1 games. Hypocrite......