Post by: blackchild1101 on June 10, 2005, 08:47:00 AM
Runnng Linux on a PS3? Ohh the possiablities are endless...
How funny would it be if Sony were to market the PS3 as "A super-computer that can run multiple operating systems, including the latest Windows. You can't even do that on the current Xbox nor the so called next-gen 360!?!"
Behold the power of Linux.
Post by: xb_xpmoder on June 10, 2005, 09:07:00 AM
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 10, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: xb_xpmoder on June 10, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: Infamous_One on June 10, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 10, 2005, 11:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Infamous_One @ Jun 10 2005, 05:41 PM)
WTF screw LINUX , a gaming console is a gaming console , if i want to surf the net ill use Windows on a PC , right now like 10% of the XBox mod comunity only uses LINUX , while the 70% uses it once and then deletes it. 10% leaves it installed cause they use it sometimes and even forget that they have it installed.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 10, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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Those dumb mother-fuckers.
Hello $ony, wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. $ony, why don't you you just come to my house and shove that double dildo of a controller up my ass and get it over with. This will be a first from me, but Fuck $ony!
Oh who the hell am I kidding. I will buy it anyways because they will have at least a couple great exclusives like my dustcube
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: giwen on June 10, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
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(Just made me think of the Wheatus album 'Suck Fony')
That's all folks
Night night
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: CattyKid on June 10, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
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My guess...
You may, now I say may because I don't want to sound stupid,
Be able to run an XBox360Edition of Longhorn on your XBox360.
Let the fires from my stupid idea flare!
I hope we can run Linux on the 360 in the first month or 2 and stay on Live.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
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Holy crap i may have to consider the ps3
now!
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Shawn_ on June 10, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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Can anyone else see that this is just so they can sell it as a computer and get through some loop holes on trade laws ?
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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Yea sony has done that so many times that its not even shocking anymore. So I guess this means I can bring it into my country without having to pay any taxes since bringing in computers and related devices are tax free!
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Twasi on June 10, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
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Sony just screwed themselves over with that decision, now that the HDD is not standard no developers will ever incorporate it into the games and it also means their online service will BLOW. Serious mistake on Sony's end. Now that Linux runs standard home brew and piracy is the only thing for modders to achieve. This gen I think Sony is going to feel the sting of piracy now that it supports a HDD.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: 110100100 on June 10, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 10, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
Hello $ony, wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. $ony, why don't you you just come to my house and shove that double dildo of a controller up my ass and get it over with. This will be a first from me, but Fuck $ony!Oh who the hell am I kidding. I will buy it anyways because they will have at least a couple great exclusives like my dustcube
Post by: giwen on June 10, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
That's all folks
Night night
Post by: CattyKid on June 10, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
You may, now I say may because I don't want to sound stupid,
Be able to run an XBox360Edition of Longhorn on your XBox360.
Let the fires from my stupid idea flare!
I hope we can run Linux on the 360 in the first month or 2 and stay on Live.
Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
now!
Post by: Shawn_ on June 10, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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Can anyone else see that this is just so they can sell it as a computer and get through some loop holes on trade laws ?
Yea sony has done that so many times that its not even shocking anymore. So I guess this means I can bring it into my country without having to pay any taxes since bringing in computers and related devices are tax free!
Post by: Twasi on June 10, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: 110100100 on June 10, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jun 10 2005, 08:41 PM)
Fuck $ony!
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 10, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
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Post by: blackchild1101 on June 10, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Twasi @ Jun 11 2005, 01:08 AM)
Sony just screwed themselves over with that decision, now that the HDD is not standard no developers will ever incorporate it into the games and it also means their online service will BLOW. Serious mistake on Sony's end. Now that Linux runs standard home brew and piracy is the only thing for modders to achieve. This gen I think Sony is going to feel the sting of piracy now that it supports a HDD.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 10, 2005, 09:06:00 PM
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i would buy a ps3 of this was true not for the games but to use it as a comp. only if they had more ram it would make it better. they are going to make it so easy for people to hack it why would anyone ever buy games for it. everyone will be runing to blockbuster.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Hunter Killer on June 10, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
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Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 10, 2005, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: Hunter Killer on June 10, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
QUOTE(mgamer20o0 @ Jun 10 2005, 11:17 PM)
i would buy a ps3 of this was true not for the games but to use it as a comp. only if they had more ram it would make it better.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Xeriak on June 10, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
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(Long live Dreamcast!!! And I've got a Sega Saturn on the way with NiGHTS Into Dreams from eBay)
Now Sega was brilliant, along with Nintendo.... Those two were the best in the day.... and then Sony came along and unloaded their deep pockets...
Not to say that I didn't like alot of the psx games and ps2 games i own...
I just don't like Sony to play king of the videogame industry period.
Either way, I'll still buy a PS3, but Xbox360 will take most of my attention.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Kira Yamoto on June 10, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
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Post by: Xeriak on June 10, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
(Long live Dreamcast!!! And I've got a Sega Saturn on the way with NiGHTS Into Dreams from eBay)Now Sega was brilliant, along with Nintendo.... Those two were the best in the day.... and then Sony came along and unloaded their deep pockets...
Not to say that I didn't like alot of the psx games and ps2 games i own...
I just don't like Sony to play king of the videogame industry period.
Either way, I'll still buy a PS3, but Xbox360 will take most of my attention.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on June 10, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Xeriak @ Jun 11 2005, 06:19 AM)
i already kinda anticipated that $ony wouldn't include a HDD with the PS3 for a retail bundle.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: JimJam1989 on June 11, 2005, 02:30:00 AM
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Somehow i doubt this.
but i may end up eating these words.
Even if they did do an OS I doubt it would be linux it would a crappy Sony OS that noone ever uses that bites as all it has is websurfing.
I dont doubt they will have a HDD expansion like on the current console but not with linux.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: whet1134 on June 11, 2005, 06:38:00 AM
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I've bolded the parts that really pique my interest. I would buy a PS3 simply for the fact that it could run OSX *and* Windows... conceivably at the same time. I think it wise that MS not include Linux support. As much as I hate to say it, there WILL be lots of cheaters on PS3 if Linux comes preinstalled. Cheating is something MS has already had to deal with and I'd like to keep Live pure. I'm really torn...
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:54:00 AM
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My opinion on this is that if MS wants to counter they should attempt to get windows running on 360. Its a more controlled environment and is more recognised by the average consumer than linux. Release it on a bigger hard drive and sell it separate.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
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I don't. It's going to get no publicity and is probably just going to be some cheap 'download your games' service.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
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i've been looking into it for the past year.. i've always thought it'd be a bad investment.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
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Yeah. It looks like an attempt of a system, like sega saturn or something. Maybe it will become something bigger in the next gen but I doubt anyone will be carrying these in their stores.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
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they claim that they will offer major titles from all 3 companies... this is an outrageous claim. #1 buying the rights to distribute all three #2 having a system capable to run the media which can be desinged specifically for it's console and #3 betting that people will pay for this.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
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I'm going 360.
Btw, does anyone know the new slogan?
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 11, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
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Post by: JimJam1989 on June 11, 2005, 02:30:00 AM
but i may end up eating these words.
Even if they did do an OS I doubt it would be linux it would a crappy Sony OS that noone ever uses that bites as all it has is websurfing.
I dont doubt they will have a HDD expansion like on the current console but not with linux.
Post by: whet1134 on June 11, 2005, 06:38:00 AM
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Playstation 3 hard disk to run Linux
Like a proper supercomputer, says Sony chief
SONY COMPUTER Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has suggested the upcoming Playstation 3 will come equipped with a hard disk. And the hard disk may come with Linux pre-installed.
Kutaragi is miffed that the likes of Nintendo and MS won't call their consoles computers. Nintendo, he complains to Japanese site Impress PC Watch, "keeps telling the world their consoles are 'toys'," while MS keeps calling the Xbox a "game machine".
"We're positioning the PS3 as a supercomputer", he says, "But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need a hard disk. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the hard disk] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus.
Kutaragi said the PS3 will run operating systems as applications. "The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course, the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and (Mac OS) Tiger, if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out," he adds.
He says that providing hard disk with the PS3 will permit the, um, console, to be used as a computer - for applications beyond gaming. Video editing and photo retouching are examples of applications that could be run on a Linux-powered PS3, he suggests.
It is not yet clear whether a hard disk will ship with the PS3 as standard or whether it will be and optional extra. "There are still some issues if the machine doesn't come with a hard disk," said Kutaragi. "We've added a 2.5-inch HDD bay so that users can add hard disks, such as 80GB and 120GB," he said.
The Xbox 360 is expected to ship with a 20GB hard drive as standard. It is not expected to be running Linux. µ
Like a proper supercomputer, says Sony chief
SONY COMPUTER Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has suggested the upcoming Playstation 3 will come equipped with a hard disk. And the hard disk may come with Linux pre-installed.
Kutaragi is miffed that the likes of Nintendo and MS won't call their consoles computers. Nintendo, he complains to Japanese site Impress PC Watch, "keeps telling the world their consoles are 'toys'," while MS keeps calling the Xbox a "game machine".
"We're positioning the PS3 as a supercomputer", he says, "But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need a hard disk. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the hard disk] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus.
Kutaragi said the PS3 will run operating systems as applications. "The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course, the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and (Mac OS) Tiger, if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out," he adds.
He says that providing hard disk with the PS3 will permit the, um, console, to be used as a computer - for applications beyond gaming. Video editing and photo retouching are examples of applications that could be run on a Linux-powered PS3, he suggests.
It is not yet clear whether a hard disk will ship with the PS3 as standard or whether it will be and optional extra. "There are still some issues if the machine doesn't come with a hard disk," said Kutaragi. "We've added a 2.5-inch HDD bay so that users can add hard disks, such as 80GB and 120GB," he said.
The Xbox 360 is expected to ship with a 20GB hard drive as standard. It is not expected to be running Linux. µ
I've bolded the parts that really pique my interest. I would buy a PS3 simply for the fact that it could run OSX *and* Windows... conceivably at the same time. I think it wise that MS not include Linux support. As much as I hate to say it, there WILL be lots of cheaters on PS3 if Linux comes preinstalled. Cheating is something MS has already had to deal with and I'd like to keep Live pure. I'm really torn...
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: P@nz3R on June 11, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
I'm going 360.
Btw, does anyone know the new slogan?
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 11, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(jagsfan @ Jun 11 2005, 09:15 PM)
if i wanted another pc i would just build one. i like m$ approach on the next gen system, extending your current pc capabilities. plus a standard pc could do much more than the ps3, such as adding different cards or whatever that you wont be able to do with a ps3.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
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Therefore it should be considerably worse on a console running linux than a console NOT running Linux!!!
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Twasi on June 11, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
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I think the ironic thing is, in an interview he says PC's are coming to a dead end, so why include an OS on the PS3? Does anyone know what flavor of linux they are putting on it? will it be point and click or command line? because the majority of people don't know how to use linux and a command line, and are to lazy to learn. This is good news for people who love to tinker with linux and such but the majority of Gamers who buy the ps3 won't care and probably will never use it.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 13, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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I think you all need to go back and read (and click the link in) Cyclonicks' post.
The PS2 already supports Linux... yet it doesn't effect that modding scene or cheating on the PS2 AT ALL.
The reason for this is simple. It's officially supported by Sony and thus officially signed. you can't REALLY run unsigned Xbox code with Linux on an Xbox either. While Linux is running you can't use it to launch unsigned Xbox apps. You'd have to back out of Linux and then launch the Xbox apps from the Xbox OS. The same goes for the PS2 (and most likely the PS3).
Where most of you are getting confused with the "unsigned code" part is that you need to be able to run unsigned code to launch Linux on an Xbox. On a PS2 the Linux installer/launcher is signed by Sony meaning that Linux still doesn't allow launching of unsigned PS2 apps. It will launch unsigned Linux apps but it still can't launch PS2 game or PS2 apps etc. Since MS refused to release a signed Linux distro the Linux hackers found a way to make the Xbox run unsigned code so that they could run an unsigned version of Linux.
The Linux distro included with the PS3 hard drive will probably NOT open the door to hackers as a matter of fact I believe it will do a great deal in CLOSING it.
How will including Linux deter hackers you ask? The answer is fairly simple.
A great deal of the hacks we have available for the Xbox were rooted in the Xbox-Linux project. The Xbox-Linux team didn't just dive in and try to hack the Xbox they had one goal in mind: running Linux. They started by requesting an official signed Linux distro, when MS denied they started exploring ways to hack it so that they could run Linux without MS's help. Even once they found ways to hack it they held their method secret and basically told MS: "If you don't give us an official distro we'll release these hacks that will allow us to run Linux as well as open doors to piracy" Then when MS denied again they released the hacks.
With Sony offering up an officially signed Linux distro all that hacking effort from the Linux junkies evaporates completely. They all believe in open source but none of them are willing to push the limits of legality if they don't have to.
Linux isn't a new feature it's a feature that they're carrying over from the PS2... and not a very popular one at that. It barely contributes to the modding scene if at all. Linux on Playstation does 2 things for Sony 1. Allows them to import the console under the guise that it is infact a computer and not a video game system. and 2. Shuts up the Linux hackers right quick so that they're busy playing with Linux instead of hacking their console.
I'm sure that the Linux junkies will play the same game with MS this round. They'll request Linux support, MS would undoubtedly deny such support (snowball's chance in hell MS would allow you to run a competing OS on their hardware) and THEN the Linux hackers will start... hacking. I guarantee you that once they find a way to run unsigned code they'll hold it hostage again just like they did with the Xbox.
If MS was smart they'd "allow" Linux and just make them jump through all sorts of hoops and red tape to get their signed Linux distro... pushing back it's release indefinitely.
So In regards to Linux... it means NOTHING... in regards to not including a hard drive out of the box... that's a BIG mistake on Sony's part: 1.) No caching/Virtual Memory, etc. this can have a BIG impact on performance. 2.) Users will have to buy a hard drive or huge ass memory card if they want any features like downloadable content, custom soundtracks, etc. Consumers aren't stupid... they understand that when looking at a PS3 it will be the price of the console+memory card Also you think the PS2's hard drive was expensive... the PS3's hard drive will be a 2.5" which is typically 3x the costs for the same size. 3.) This also means that less developers will support it because less people will own the hardware (just look at how many games supported the PS2's hard drive).
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 13, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
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All this talk about massive cheating on the PS3 if a Linux based OS is used. Guys give me a break, there is already MASSIVE CHEATING being done right NOW on Xbox Live. Don't try to act as if it's not happening.
Therefore it should be considerably worse on a console running linux than a console NOT running Linux!!!
Post by: Twasi on June 11, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 13, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
The PS2 already supports Linux... yet it doesn't effect that modding scene or cheating on the PS2 AT ALL.
The reason for this is simple. It's officially supported by Sony and thus officially signed. you can't REALLY run unsigned Xbox code with Linux on an Xbox either. While Linux is running you can't use it to launch unsigned Xbox apps. You'd have to back out of Linux and then launch the Xbox apps from the Xbox OS. The same goes for the PS2 (and most likely the PS3).
Where most of you are getting confused with the "unsigned code" part is that you need to be able to run unsigned code to launch Linux on an Xbox. On a PS2 the Linux installer/launcher is signed by Sony meaning that Linux still doesn't allow launching of unsigned PS2 apps. It will launch unsigned Linux apps but it still can't launch PS2 game or PS2 apps etc. Since MS refused to release a signed Linux distro the Linux hackers found a way to make the Xbox run unsigned code so that they could run an unsigned version of Linux.
The Linux distro included with the PS3 hard drive will probably NOT open the door to hackers as a matter of fact I believe it will do a great deal in CLOSING it.
How will including Linux deter hackers you ask? The answer is fairly simple.
A great deal of the hacks we have available for the Xbox were rooted in the Xbox-Linux project. The Xbox-Linux team didn't just dive in and try to hack the Xbox they had one goal in mind: running Linux. They started by requesting an official signed Linux distro, when MS denied they started exploring ways to hack it so that they could run Linux without MS's help. Even once they found ways to hack it they held their method secret and basically told MS: "If you don't give us an official distro we'll release these hacks that will allow us to run Linux as well as open doors to piracy" Then when MS denied again they released the hacks.
With Sony offering up an officially signed Linux distro all that hacking effort from the Linux junkies evaporates completely. They all believe in open source but none of them are willing to push the limits of legality if they don't have to.
Linux isn't a new feature it's a feature that they're carrying over from the PS2... and not a very popular one at that. It barely contributes to the modding scene if at all. Linux on Playstation does 2 things for Sony 1. Allows them to import the console under the guise that it is infact a computer and not a video game system. and 2. Shuts up the Linux hackers right quick so that they're busy playing with Linux instead of hacking their console.
I'm sure that the Linux junkies will play the same game with MS this round. They'll request Linux support, MS would undoubtedly deny such support (snowball's chance in hell MS would allow you to run a competing OS on their hardware) and THEN the Linux hackers will start... hacking. I guarantee you that once they find a way to run unsigned code they'll hold it hostage again just like they did with the Xbox.
If MS was smart they'd "allow" Linux and just make them jump through all sorts of hoops and red tape to get their signed Linux distro... pushing back it's release indefinitely.
So In regards to Linux... it means NOTHING... in regards to not including a hard drive out of the box... that's a BIG mistake on Sony's part: 1.) No caching/Virtual Memory, etc. this can have a BIG impact on performance. 2.) Users will have to buy a hard drive or huge ass memory card if they want any features like downloadable content, custom soundtracks, etc. Consumers aren't stupid... they understand that when looking at a PS3 it will be the price of the console+memory card Also you think the PS2's hard drive was expensive... the PS3's hard drive will be a 2.5" which is typically 3x the costs for the same size. 3.) This also means that less developers will support it because less people will own the hardware (just look at how many games supported the PS2's hard drive).
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 13, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(jagsfan @ Jun 11 2005, 03:15 PM)
if i wanted another pc i would just build one. i like m$ approach on the next gen system, extending your current pc capabilities. plus a standard pc could do much more than the ps3, such as adding different cards or whatever that you wont be able to do with a ps3.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: crobar on June 13, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
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ok...
so ps3 is now a "super computer" so what kind of super things can it do?
it can edit video and images!
so can my regular computer...
so you could argue but my ps3 doesnt cost as much as a computer...
great it also wont function as well as a computer im sure, linux doesnt have the best video/image software out.
noone is going to be stuck on weither to get the ps3 or a computer i asure you
it just seems to me like sony is frantic...they dont know what they are
"were the future of gaming"
"were the next gen console"
"were a super computer"
"the ps3 will replace pc's"
what are they rying to do make a machine that does everything?
it waxes you bikini lines
it makes toast
it it does your home work and makes baby ps3's if you have sex with!?
i cant wait to see what it really does...
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 13, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
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Post by: crobar on June 13, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
so ps3 is now a "super computer" so what kind of super things can it do?
it can edit video and images!
so can my regular computer...
so you could argue but my ps3 doesnt cost as much as a computer...
great it also wont function as well as a computer im sure, linux doesnt have the best video/image software out.
noone is going to be stuck on weither to get the ps3 or a computer i asure you
it just seems to me like sony is frantic...they dont know what they are
"were the future of gaming"
"were the next gen console"
"were a super computer"
"the ps3 will replace pc's"
what are they rying to do make a machine that does everything?
it waxes you bikini lines
it makes toast
it it does your home work and makes baby ps3's if you have sex with!?
i cant wait to see what it really does...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 13, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(crobar @ Jun 13 2005, 04:56 PM)
ok...
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 13, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
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Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 13, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(zot23 @ Jun 13 2005, 11:45 PM)
And to solve the mystery of why MS and Nin like to market their products as 'game machines' is because that is 99% of people in the west that buy are interested in: playing games.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Twasi on June 13, 2005, 04:43:00 PM
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I highly doubt Sony will change their mind and include a HDD, the reason they didn't do it in the first place is their production costs are already high and to add a HDD will make it impossible for them to sell it at their price point that can compete with M$ and Nintendo without loosing an unacceptable amount of money. I'm sure the way they see it is, the PS2 didn't have a HDD and it is the #1 console, so not having one for the ps3 shouldn't matter, plus making people buy expensive memory cards is a plus for them.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: lostboyz on June 13, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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just for all those who are saying theyd rather build a pc. so would i if they were the same price but right now if it is possible to run a linux/windows/apple OS on either system, xbox 360 which has usb ports and vga plugin, is a lot fking cheaper ($300) for the parts that would normally cost you well over two grand to buy seperately.
its only $300, hell i got that on me right now. i could get 6 xbox 360s for the price of a hot spankin new pc
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: giftic on June 13, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
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WOW PS2 gonna run LINUX as a OS? OMG
lol that figures Sony doesnt have anymore IDEAS
Linux as a OS system..wont CUT IT FOR ME SORRY
but i believe and have all reasons to believe that Xbox 360
will run Nix and other OS's if that be the case
maybe even better because the HDD is already included lol
if thats all the PS3 got up they sleeve this ROUND is a Super Uber PC
thats gonna be one of our X marks the Spot Hattricks..Running a OS wow lol
they better bring a ARMY becuss that wont hurt Xbox 360
Linux will be on Xbox 360..maybe even the NEW Windows OS
you can count on it..lol and by the way
Xbox 1 has many LINUX distro's..lol
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: halo2masta on June 13, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
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Xbox 360 Fuckin Rox
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 13, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
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Lets try to keep it simple.
Like I said before, Sony PS3+ Linux OS = Good but Sony - HDD = BAD.
To those of you, few it maybe, who think they can build a PC that is comparable to these next gen consoles need to remove the pacifiers out your mouths and the keyboard and mouses' from your collective asses. Besides the fact that the technology that is debuting on these systems is about 2-3 years away from a PC iteration, Do you have ANY idea how much the COST for a "decent" Cell processor or a IBM Tri-Core processor will run at retail? Expect around the 1000-2500 for these types of processors.
That's not including the mobo+memory+fans+graphics card. Maybe the ultra hardcore could afford this SUPER-COMPUTER PC but to the rest of us who enjoy playing on their consoles' will find little solice in this PC.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: guitardork864 on June 14, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
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well, lets get back to the topic for a second. I think Sony not including the hard drive is a big mistake. Why? It will never recieve the mass implementation and functional use as the xbox 1's HD did, or the 360's will. Yeah sure, PS3 devs can include a line of code that checks for a hd and a directory on it for maps and stuff, but what they CAN't do is design their games to use the hard drive to cache files, possible adding performance benefits. What's more, is that they can't really take off with whatever online option they WERE planning because you won't be able to download content, unless Sony somehow makes 2 GB memory cards. Now of course, they could make the hard drive mandatory, but that would be shooting themselves in the foot, as I doubt people would want to pay $80 for the hard drive ON TOP of the console price, which we've heard could be over $450.
Generally, in order for something to be used to its fullest extent and not just be a wasted feature, it has to be implemented in every incarnation of the system. Just look at the PS2 online feature for example. A lot of people bought the network adapter when it came out, but how many of them actually use it? The small girth of games that supported it, and the smaller amount of them that actually had good performance online contributed to the fact that although the PS2 trumps the xbox in numbers sold in north america by almost 2:1, the xbox undisputedly has more online users than the PS2 by a ratio probably even larger than that because xbox live was propriety, secure, and had good performance. With xbox live, everyone has broadband, most people have a headset, so you know that the performance is almost always good. Same thing with the harddrive. Not only did the PS2 hard drive get screwed over by the second iteration of the PS2, it only had an actual important role with one title, FFXI. Whereas, every xbox has a hard drive, every game uses it, every live title uses it, and it not only adds performance benefits, but completely solves the storage problems of consoles.
This is something that MS learned with the last generation, and so they are making sure that the 360 comes complete with everything nessecary to be able to take advantage of all the features of the console. Meanwhile, Sony is going off and implementing all these useless features half-assedly, which most likely are not going to be very popular with most casual and dedicated gamers alike-simply for the reason that it costs money, and since its not something that developers can count on every person owning, they can't really develop their game in such a way as to take advantage of it in the right way, because otherwise their game would only be available to a small amount of people. This makes a sort of paradox. People won't pay for the hard drive because it probably wont be used much. Devs wont use it much because people probably won't buy it.
Whereas with the xbox, this problem is sovled because EVERYONE has a hard drive, therefore the devs can use it just like any other piece of hardware.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Carlo210 on June 14, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Twasi on June 14, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
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Not sure if any of you have read the article but here's a quote from it concerning the Cell.
Full article is here. http://news.teamxbox...Cell-Processor/
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 14, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
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but the point is they dont care about the advantages of having a peripheral like the HDD at launch. They just want to have something to say to counter MS. Just look at Ken's current haterade campaign; its never been about innovation with them, its all about bragging rights.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 14, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
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Having Linux as a OS abolutly rocks.
To be honest with you, other then caching files, the devs and MS didn't fully expolit the benefits of having a HDD with the current Xbox but it looks like with the 360 there taking full advantage of a HDD.
It's gonna be one ugly summer and X-miss. Ladies and gentlemen let the war begin.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 15, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
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somebody give this dude a seat and some
not flaming you but i disagree. Yes, offline players out number online players on the xbox but this was a time when broadband users were less and XBL managed to surpass most online services even though they had a really small market to work with. Its like when people say that the gamecube was failure; nintendo would probably laugh if you said that. They did a great job appealing to their audience and made a profit doing it, thats why they are so stubborn. MS barely got a profit but sold twice more than the cube.
MS's first priority was to be the pioneer not the market leader, yet they succeeded at both.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
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guitardork864 My sentiments exactly
As for the comment about XBL being a failure... I don't agree.
Do you remember Sega? sure you do but do you remember their online services? they've been pushing for internet based gaming since the genesis and all of their efforts with the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast combined were not pushing the numbers that MS is with XBL.
Also that number of barely over a million subscribers is completely incorrect MS celebrated the million member mark in July 15th last year. January of this year they had hit 1.4 members (right after the halo 2 rush) and at E3 they had announced that they broke the 2 million member mark with membership increasing at a growing rate.
Considering when MS launched XBL they said they wanted to break 1 million members by the end of June 04 and they did it on July 15th I think that says a lot.
It says that MS is reading the market accurately and setting their goals appropriately, they met their targets and IMO that makes it a success.
It's not like Sony Who when they launched the PS2 in they said they would have a hard drive and network adapter available within 6 months and that they would deliver online content and "revolutionize" online gaming... Then they didn't deliver till years later and at only a fraction of what they promised. It's not like Sega who pushed and innovated and pushed and innovated and pushed but just couldn't get people to use it.
No MS read the market, set a lofty goal, then met it. The C|Net interview with J Allard he talks about the goals MS had set integrally before the Xbox's launch for where they wanted to be and when with the console and they've hit just about all of them right on the mark.
Now look at their goals... At E3 they said they wanted something like %50 of all Xbox360 owners to use live. They said they wanted to sell 1 Billion consoles... I know I scoffed at that but then again... they've met all of their goals in the past
Just because 2 million subscribers doesn't impress YOU doesn't make it a failure.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 15, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
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What was the point of that? What did that prove? What the fuck do you think M$ is doing? Unloading their deep pockets
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 15, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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Sony added to gaming not take away. I respect sony for that. They forced nintendo and sega to change their game plan. Cause the 16 bit era was getting tired and both Nintendo and sega was tired ( Still is IMO). MS is in a similar position to dethrone the tired Sony.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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Ive seen many interviews, and when they mentioned 1 billion, they said they wanted to reach 1 billion people, not sell 1 billion consoles. Reaching 1 billion could mean including house hold, and that alone would be what? 3 to 5 people alone.
Everyone at some point in that 5 people family plays a game on 360, or tries live arcade...to me thats whats they meant. Not 1 billion 360's sold.
I could be very wrong though. Im sure Deftones will be all over it if I am
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 15, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
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Post by: Twasi on June 13, 2005, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: lostboyz on June 13, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
its only $300, hell i got that on me right now. i could get 6 xbox 360s for the price of a hot spankin new pc
Post by: giftic on June 13, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
WOW PS2 gonna run LINUX as a OS? OMGlol that figures Sony doesnt have anymore IDEAS
Linux as a OS system..wont CUT IT FOR ME SORRY
but i believe and have all reasons to believe that Xbox 360
will run Nix and other OS's if that be the case
maybe even better because the HDD is already included lol
if thats all the PS3 got up they sleeve this ROUND is a Super Uber PC
thats gonna be one of our X marks the Spot Hattricks..Running a OS wow lol
they better bring a ARMY becuss that wont hurt Xbox 360
Linux will be on Xbox 360..maybe even the NEW Windows OS
you can count on it..lol and by the way
Xbox 1 has many LINUX distro's..lol
Post by: halo2masta on June 13, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
Xbox 360 Fuckin Rox
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 13, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
Lets try to keep it simple.
Like I said before, Sony PS3+ Linux OS = Good but Sony - HDD = BAD.
To those of you, few it maybe, who think they can build a PC that is comparable to these next gen consoles need to remove the pacifiers out your mouths and the keyboard and mouses' from your collective asses. Besides the fact that the technology that is debuting on these systems is about 2-3 years away from a PC iteration, Do you have ANY idea how much the COST for a "decent" Cell processor or a IBM Tri-Core processor will run at retail? Expect around the 1000-2500 for these types of processors.
That's not including the mobo+memory+fans+graphics card. Maybe the ultra hardcore could afford this SUPER-COMPUTER PC but to the rest of us who enjoy playing on their consoles' will find little solice in this PC.
Post by: guitardork864 on June 14, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
Generally, in order for something to be used to its fullest extent and not just be a wasted feature, it has to be implemented in every incarnation of the system. Just look at the PS2 online feature for example. A lot of people bought the network adapter when it came out, but how many of them actually use it? The small girth of games that supported it, and the smaller amount of them that actually had good performance online contributed to the fact that although the PS2 trumps the xbox in numbers sold in north america by almost 2:1, the xbox undisputedly has more online users than the PS2 by a ratio probably even larger than that because xbox live was propriety, secure, and had good performance. With xbox live, everyone has broadband, most people have a headset, so you know that the performance is almost always good. Same thing with the harddrive. Not only did the PS2 hard drive get screwed over by the second iteration of the PS2, it only had an actual important role with one title, FFXI. Whereas, every xbox has a hard drive, every game uses it, every live title uses it, and it not only adds performance benefits, but completely solves the storage problems of consoles.
This is something that MS learned with the last generation, and so they are making sure that the 360 comes complete with everything nessecary to be able to take advantage of all the features of the console. Meanwhile, Sony is going off and implementing all these useless features half-assedly, which most likely are not going to be very popular with most casual and dedicated gamers alike-simply for the reason that it costs money, and since its not something that developers can count on every person owning, they can't really develop their game in such a way as to take advantage of it in the right way, because otherwise their game would only be available to a small amount of people. This makes a sort of paradox. People won't pay for the hard drive because it probably wont be used much. Devs wont use it much because people probably won't buy it.
Whereas with the xbox, this problem is sovled because EVERYONE has a hard drive, therefore the devs can use it just like any other piece of hardware.
Post by: Carlo210 on June 14, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: Twasi on June 14, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
Not sure if any of you have read the article but here's a quote from it concerning the Cell.QUOTE
Mr. Kutaragi tried to interest Mr. Jobs in adopting the Cell chip, which is being developed by I.B.M. for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effeftive than the PowerPC.
Full article is here. http://news.teamxbox...Cell-Processor/
Post by: incognegro on June 14, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
but the point is they dont care about the advantages of having a peripheral like the HDD at launch. They just want to have something to say to counter MS. Just look at Ken's current haterade campaign; its never been about innovation with them, its all about bragging rights.
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 14, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
Having Linux as a OS abolutly rocks.
To be honest with you, other then caching files, the devs and MS didn't fully expolit the benefits of having a HDD with the current Xbox but it looks like with the 360 there taking full advantage of a HDD.
It's gonna be one ugly summer and X-miss. Ladies and gentlemen let the war begin.
Post by: incognegro on June 15, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
somebody give this dude a seat and some QUOTE
Although in truth XBL was a failure
not flaming you but i disagree. Yes, offline players out number online players on the xbox but this was a time when broadband users were less and XBL managed to surpass most online services even though they had a really small market to work with. Its like when people say that the gamecube was failure; nintendo would probably laugh if you said that. They did a great job appealing to their audience and made a profit doing it, thats why they are so stubborn. MS barely got a profit but sold twice more than the cube.
MS's first priority was to be the pioneer not the market leader, yet they succeeded at both.
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
guitardork864 My sentiments exactlyAs for the comment about XBL being a failure... I don't agree.
Do you remember Sega? sure you do but do you remember their online services? they've been pushing for internet based gaming since the genesis and all of their efforts with the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast combined were not pushing the numbers that MS is with XBL.
Also that number of barely over a million subscribers is completely incorrect MS celebrated the million member mark in July 15th last year. January of this year they had hit 1.4 members (right after the halo 2 rush) and at E3 they had announced that they broke the 2 million member mark with membership increasing at a growing rate.
Considering when MS launched XBL they said they wanted to break 1 million members by the end of June 04 and they did it on July 15th I think that says a lot.
It says that MS is reading the market accurately and setting their goals appropriately, they met their targets and IMO that makes it a success.
It's not like Sony Who when they launched the PS2 in they said they would have a hard drive and network adapter available within 6 months and that they would deliver online content and "revolutionize" online gaming... Then they didn't deliver till years later and at only a fraction of what they promised. It's not like Sega who pushed and innovated and pushed and innovated and pushed but just couldn't get people to use it.
No MS read the market, set a lofty goal, then met it. The C|Net interview with J Allard he talks about the goals MS had set integrally before the Xbox's launch for where they wanted to be and when with the console and they've hit just about all of them right on the mark.
Now look at their goals... At E3 they said they wanted something like %50 of all Xbox360 owners to use live. They said they wanted to sell 1 Billion consoles... I know I scoffed at that but then again... they've met all of their goals in the past
Just because 2 million subscribers doesn't impress YOU doesn't make it a failure.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 15, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Xeriak @ Jun 11 2005, 12:19 AM)
Now Sega was brilliant, along with Nintendo.... Those two were the best in the day.... and then Sony came along and unloaded their deep pockets...
What was the point of that? What did that prove? What the fuck do you think M$ is doing? Unloading their deep pockets
Post by: incognegro on June 15, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
Ive seen many interviews, and when they mentioned 1 billion, they said they wanted to reach 1 billion people, not sell 1 billion consoles. Reaching 1 billion could mean including house hold, and that alone would be what? 3 to 5 people alone.
Everyone at some point in that 5 people family plays a game on 360, or tries live arcade...to me thats whats they meant. Not 1 billion 360's sold.
I could be very wrong though. Im sure Deftones will be all over it if I am
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 15, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Jun 15 2005, 02:46 PM)
let me correct twisted...and I could be wrong as well, so maybe Ill need correcting later on
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jun 15 2005, 04:49 PM)
Thanks buddy. I thought we were two "crazy" pals. 
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
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I thought we were two "crazy" pals. Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 04:58 PM)
though thats' still a fairly lofty goal and doesn't change my point
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Jun 15 2005, 03:05 PM)
agreed, just clarifying what was said.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on June 15, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 05:37 PM)
Probably something having to do with cell phones... that man loves cell phones
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Andy51 on June 15, 2005, 02:47:00 PM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 15, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
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). But in a way that's a very misleading statement because now XBL will be free 1-2 weekends a month. So people can just create a gamertag and log in and have fun.
It's like AOL saying they have a billion customers. Just not all of them are acutally still using our software any longer.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 16, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
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Post by: Andy51 on June 15, 2005, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 15, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
). But in a way that's a very misleading statement because now XBL will be free 1-2 weekends a month. So people can just create a gamertag and log in and have fun. It's like AOL saying they have a billion customers. Just not all of them are acutally still using our software any longer.
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 16, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(blackchild1101 @ Jun 15 2005, 11:06 PM)
I believe J Allard said there would be about a billion XBL "users", note he didn't say "subscribers". Which in a way is entirely possiable. Lets say the 360 sells about 10 million units world wide after the first year and on each unit there is about 10 XBL gamer tags. There's your billion users( sorry if my math is wrong i've been putting in long hours at work and now my mind is musshhhh ). But in a way that's a very misleading statement because now XBL will be free 1-2 weekends a month. So people can just create a gamertag and log in and have fun.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 16, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
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). But in a way that's a very misleading statement because now XBL will be free 1-2 weekends a month. So people can just create a gamertag and log in and have fun. Post by: blackchild1101 on June 16, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 16 2005, 03:33 PM)
On the same token how can Sony claim they have an install base of 90million PS2.... out of the many (15+) people I know with PS2 all but 1 is on their second and some their third PS2 because they broke.... what about people who "upgraded" to xbox and got rid of their PS2, I know many of those people ase well. Further still XS has over 200,000 "members" how many of those have never even posted or are duplicate accounts, banned accounts etc. McDonald's has "billions and billions served" How many were repeat customers?
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: microsizeboy on June 16, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
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Post by: microsizeboy on June 16, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(blackchild1101 @ Jun 17 2005, 05:18 AM)
A billion is a lot. If the 360 had a built in phone jack, yeah it's slow but not everybody has a highspeed connection, then reaching this number could be possaible. But only having a lan card does limit there potential custmomer pool.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: joshuacollins on June 17, 2005, 02:41:00 AM
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i've heard you can and will be able to run WINDOWS MCE 2005 on the 360... maybe somebody already mentioned it...
you can already run windows on the regular xbox by just running a linux OS and then run XP under vmware.. not exactly optimal but it works right?
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 21, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
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Post by: gamerguy999 on June 21, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
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Post by: joshuacollins on June 17, 2005, 02:41:00 AM
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"A super-computer that can run multiple operating systems, including the latest Windows. You can't even do that on the current Xbox nor the so called next-gen 360!?!"
i've heard you can and will be able to run WINDOWS MCE 2005 on the 360... maybe somebody already mentioned it...
you can already run windows on the regular xbox by just running a linux OS and then run XP under vmware.. not exactly optimal but it works right?
Post by: incognegro on June 21, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: gamerguy999 on June 21, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 12:58 PM)
you're probably right about the 1 billion people rather than 1 billion units... I'll have to go back and watch that part of the conference again...
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Andy51 on June 22, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Kutaragi confirms PS3 HDD will be add-on, and will run Linux
Related entries: Gaming, Home Entertainment
So we heard grumblings of this last week, and now weve got it straight from the Kutaragis mouth, plus a few other interesting details. The PlayStation 3 wont be coming with an internal hard drive, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it wont be enough. Glossing over for the moment the curious logic of imagining zero capacity is somehow better than not enough, we move on to the news that there will likely be at least several add-on HDD options available, both locally in a 2.5-inch drive bay and in the form of some sort of network drive. Furthermore, the (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive will run some sort of operating system, which will likely be Linux by default but Kutaragi envisions other operating systems running on top of the Cell kernel as applications: other PC operating systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger, if the publishers want to do so. Remember back when the PS3 moved out of the class of game consoles and into the class of entertainment machines? Well, now its a full-blown supercomputer. A supercomputer running multiple OSes on an optional hard drive? Commence head scratching
Found on engadget..... but again its Ken....
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: NarutoKun on June 22, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: NarutoKun on June 22, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
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Post by: Andy51 on June 22, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
Related entries: Gaming, Home Entertainment
So we heard grumblings of this last week, and now weve got it straight from the Kutaragis mouth, plus a few other interesting details. The PlayStation 3 wont be coming with an internal hard drive, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it wont be enough. Glossing over for the moment the curious logic of imagining zero capacity is somehow better than not enough, we move on to the news that there will likely be at least several add-on HDD options available, both locally in a 2.5-inch drive bay and in the form of some sort of network drive. Furthermore, the (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive will run some sort of operating system, which will likely be Linux by default but Kutaragi envisions other operating systems running on top of the Cell kernel as applications: other PC operating systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger, if the publishers want to do so. Remember back when the PS3 moved out of the class of game consoles and into the class of entertainment machines? Well, now its a full-blown supercomputer. A supercomputer running multiple OSes on an optional hard drive? Commence head scratching
Found on engadget..... but again its Ken....
Post by: NarutoKun on June 22, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(110100100 @ Jun 11 2005, 02:20 AM)
Post by: NarutoKun on June 22, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jun 10 2005, 08:41 PM)
Those dumb mother-fuckers. Hello $ony, wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. $ony, why don't you you just come to my house and shove that double dildo of a controller up my ass and get it over with. This will be a first from me, but Fuck $ony!
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 24, 2005, 08:04:00 AM
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Post by: unborn flea on June 27, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on June 28, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
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But devs are still gonna ignore the ps3 hdd since its not guaranteed to be on every console. So its not gonna be supported much
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 30, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
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Hello $ony, wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. $ony, why don't you you just come to my house and shove that double dildo of a controller up my ass and get it over with. This will be a first from me, but Fuck $ony!Post by: blackchild1101 on June 24, 2005, 08:04:00 AM
Post by: unborn flea on June 27, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
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Fuck $ony!
Post by: incognegro on June 28, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
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So it turns out now the 360 does not need a hdd or mem cards to run it's games. So this means the 360 devs have to develop their games to not only run on a hdd but without one aswell.
Which validates my earlier post when I said the PS3 devs only have to add a line of code to search for a hdd.
Which validates my earlier post when I said the PS3 devs only have to add a line of code to search for a hdd.
But devs are still gonna ignore the ps3 hdd since its not guaranteed to be on every console. So its not gonna be supported much
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 30, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 28 2005, 09:33 PM)
But devs are still gonna ignore the ps3 hdd since its not guaranteed to be on every console. So its not gonna be supported much
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Andy51 on July 01, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
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Releasing Linux on a separate hard drive is just a attempt by Sony to steal modders/hackers from Xbox, besides do we really know if this is really true? I mean Kenny has been throwing a lot of shit lately.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: blackchild1101 on July 01, 2005, 08:25:00 PM
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Post by: Andy51 on July 01, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: blackchild1101 on July 01, 2005, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Andy51 @ Jul 1 2005, 10:50 PM)
Releasing Linux on a separate hard drive is just a attempt by Sony to steal modders/hackers from Xbox, besides do we really know if this is really true? I mean Kenny has been throwing a lot of shit lately.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 01, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on July 01, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Andy51 @ Jul 1 2005, 04:50 PM)
Releasing Linux on a separate hard drive is just a attempt by Sony to steal modders/hackers from Xbox, besides do we really know if this is really true? I mean Kenny has been throwing a lot of shit lately.
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: Much on July 01, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
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Post by: Much on July 01, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 2 2005, 07:18 AM)
I suppose the official PS2 Linux developers kit was suposed to do that too
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Title: Ps3 Won't Have A Hard Drive
Post by: incognegro on July 06, 2005, 12:59:00 PM
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whats your point? i have a ps2 and i didnt.
guess what? unlike you, i represent the majority
Post by: incognegro on July 06, 2005, 12:59:00 PM
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It did that didn't it? Team linux reallesd a kit I used it and have duell HD on y ps2...
whats your point? i have a ps2 and i didnt.
guess what? unlike you, i represent the majority