Post by: Twasi on June 09, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
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TOKYO--Just over two months ago, a truce was declared in the three-year war between the Blu-ray and HD-DVD factions as Sony and Toshiba began negotiations on a unified next-generation disc standard. However, talks fell apart after Toshiba announced last month that it has no plans to accept Blu-ray's disc structure as the base for a unified standard.
I saw this coming a mile away. This put's Sony in a weird situation if HD-dvd wins and is the next standard blu-ray will go the way of the laser disc and they will have some problems to deal with.
Post by: thesideinguy on June 09, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
i dont know how they make a readable disk out of paper, but it seames that would be the cheapest way to go.
Post by: Twasi on June 09, 2005, 07:12:00 PM
There is an article about it, I heard they are rather fragile but the new clear coat makes it more resistant to scratching. The problem with there not being a unified format is one of them will have to become dominant and one will die out, the market will not support 2 formats, Blu-rays will be much more expensive because the factories that make them have to get new equipment to make them. I don't know if HD-DVD can be burned on with current DVD burners but if they can that will be a huge advantage, Blu-ray burners will be ridicously expensive for another year or two.
Post by: thesideinguy on June 09, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
i'm not doing that crap to my dvd colection.
piss on that new hd format. i'm satisfied with dvd. hell they still make vhs so i prasume that dvd will be around for a very long time.
Post by: Infamous_One on June 09, 2005, 11:50:00 PM
Post by: Twasi on June 10, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on June 10, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(thesideinguy @ Jun 10 2005, 01:11 AM)
what i have heard about the hd-dvd is that they would have a disk that the consumer could somehow glue their existing dvd to so it would be compatible in the hd-dvd players.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 10, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
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No because, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use a blue laser and not a red laser to read and write data.
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: Twasi on June 10, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
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Thank you.
Well I guess it comes down to which one is cheaper and which one gets widespread use on the market first. Toshiba just released a 45Gig HD-DVD so now blu-ray and HD-DVD are on a even playing field size wise.
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Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
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who the hell cares what format they use (MS and Sony)!!!? if sony uses blu ray, their drives are gonna be too slow compared to currnt dvd drives and thus affecting gameplay (Which is more important than the size of their dick...err.........i mean, disc).
Its not that important which format they go with..........if you want HD so bad get a usb HD drive and put it on your xbox360.
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Post by: KAGE360 on June 10, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
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i could have sworn that HD-DVD still uses the red laser format....
....and i know for a fact that their was an interview with Steve Ballmer i believe on xbox365 and heres what he said about the subject of disk format.....
i honestly dont think that having a HD drive will benefit that much for gaming....
other then needing more disks for the games i see no other point, and if theirs a chance that having a newer drive would be a disadvantage towards the loading or streaming of data then i say stay with the DVD9 until the format is not in its infency
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 10, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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hd dvd and blu ray uses a blue laser. i would bet money that there wont be hd drive on 360 when it comes out. since both formats are not out yet why should they spend the money to add one. ms doesnt want to pay sony for blu ray. they dont want to be stuck into a dead format. there is so much room to use on dvd-9 who cares.
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Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
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I personally don't care if I have to get up and switch a disc every 20 hours, but what about the "future of DVD movies?"
If the PS3 can play them and the 360 cannot, we may be in a big hole. And one XBox that supports HD-DVD and one that does not??
Dev-Headache
They should just, in my opinion, go with it. If they adopt it early, manufacturers will scramble to produce them which could put Sony in trouble.
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Post by: foog on June 11, 2005, 01:30:00 PM
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DVD9 seems like a limited amount of space for game developers... is this the first time that a next generation console has used the same type/size of media as the previous?
games are getting bigger and there are a lot of xbox 1 games that take up 5-7 gigs and that doesn't leave too much space for all the new flashy graphics we'll be seeing.
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: Deftech on June 11, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 10, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Twasi @ Jun 9 2005, 09:23 PM)
I don't know if HD-DVD can be burned on with current DVD burners but if they can that will be a huge advantage, Blu-ray burners will be ridicously expensive for another year or two.
No because, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use a blue laser and not a red laser to read and write data.
Post by: Twasi on June 10, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
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No because, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use a blue laser and not a red laser to read and write data.
Thank you.
Well I guess it comes down to which one is cheaper and which one gets widespread use on the market first. Toshiba just released a 45Gig HD-DVD so now blu-ray and HD-DVD are on a even playing field size wise.Post by: incognegro on June 10, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
Its not that important which format they go with..........if you want HD so bad get a usb HD drive and put it on your xbox360.
Post by: KAGE360 on June 10, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
....and i know for a fact that their was an interview with Steve Ballmer i believe on xbox365 and heres what he said about the subject of disk format.....
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There are going to be some more surprises on the hardware end?
Could be! Look, for us to say were going to go through a whole generation without an HD capacity driveI think that would be naive to assume that well be sitting here at the end of the Xbox 360 generation and no such device will have shipped. On the other hand, we havent announced anything, Sonys announced something, and who knows? You know, they could have announced support for Beta instead of VHS. Were trying to watch and really be agile on our feet, relative to the issues between HD DVD and Blu-ray. As a platform provider were trying to make sure our software standards are well-supported in both places. As the provider of the Xbox, were sitting there saying, Look, were shipping NOW. This was not an option. Neither one of these things were an option for our first shipment, so its kind of a moot point. Sonys saying, Who knows what the standards are, but were going to commit to what were going to commit to. I think we can be nimble and agile and thatll be important.
So theres a possibility of an Xbox 360 Mark II coming along?
I wont hypothesize on how we get there. I just think its just wrong-minded to think that somehow wed go a whole generation without this. Were not going to be sitting here five years saying, Oh jeez, we dont have HD DVD-type storage. But were going to out perform Sony in a lot of things. Were faster on integer than they are, theyre faster on floating point than we are. To sit there and just take a look and say Well, theyre just faster Well, weve got three cores, theyve got one core. Actually, we were pleasantly surprised by what they announced. Theyre later, and yet we think were going to outperform them on a bunch of stuff. We think weve got better balanced system performance than they do. Now, when youre the second guy of course youre going to be faster. We sit there and say There are some things [on the PS3] that are faster [whispers] but there are some things were faster on, too.
Could be! Look, for us to say were going to go through a whole generation without an HD capacity driveI think that would be naive to assume that well be sitting here at the end of the Xbox 360 generation and no such device will have shipped. On the other hand, we havent announced anything, Sonys announced something, and who knows? You know, they could have announced support for Beta instead of VHS. Were trying to watch and really be agile on our feet, relative to the issues between HD DVD and Blu-ray. As a platform provider were trying to make sure our software standards are well-supported in both places. As the provider of the Xbox, were sitting there saying, Look, were shipping NOW. This was not an option. Neither one of these things were an option for our first shipment, so its kind of a moot point. Sonys saying, Who knows what the standards are, but were going to commit to what were going to commit to. I think we can be nimble and agile and thatll be important.
So theres a possibility of an Xbox 360 Mark II coming along?
I wont hypothesize on how we get there. I just think its just wrong-minded to think that somehow wed go a whole generation without this. Were not going to be sitting here five years saying, Oh jeez, we dont have HD DVD-type storage. But were going to out perform Sony in a lot of things. Were faster on integer than they are, theyre faster on floating point than we are. To sit there and just take a look and say Well, theyre just faster Well, weve got three cores, theyve got one core. Actually, we were pleasantly surprised by what they announced. Theyre later, and yet we think were going to outperform them on a bunch of stuff. We think weve got better balanced system performance than they do. Now, when youre the second guy of course youre going to be faster. We sit there and say There are some things [on the PS3] that are faster [whispers] but there are some things were faster on, too.
i honestly dont think that having a HD drive will benefit that much for gaming....
other then needing more disks for the games i see no other point, and if theirs a chance that having a newer drive would be a disadvantage towards the loading or streaming of data then i say stay with the DVD9 until the format is not in its infency
Post by: mgamer20o0 on June 10, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
If the PS3 can play them and the 360 cannot, we may be in a big hole. And one XBox that supports HD-DVD and one that does not??
Dev-Headache
They should just, in my opinion, go with it. If they adopt it early, manufacturers will scramble to produce them which could put Sony in trouble.
Post by: foog on June 11, 2005, 01:30:00 PM
games are getting bigger and there are a lot of xbox 1 games that take up 5-7 gigs and that doesn't leave too much space for all the new flashy graphics we'll be seeing.
Post by: Deftech on June 11, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(foog @ Jun 11 2005, 05:41 PM)
DVD9 seems like a limited amount of space for game developers... is this the first time that a next generation console has used the same type/size of media as the previous?
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
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Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(foog @ Jun 11 2005, 04:41 PM)
DVD9 seems like a limited amount of space for game developers... is this the first time that a next generation console has used the same type/size of media as the previous?
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
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Current compression techniques allow those 4-5 gig games in half. Anyways, how about that Iomega thing where they got 800 gigs on dvd using compression? Anybody can give me some info on this? If this is true then how does it affect the blu-ray/hd-dvd situation?
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Post by: nj12nets on June 11, 2005, 03:37:00 PM
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http://www.cdr-zone....rom_iomega.html
fuk the hd-dvd and the blu-ray disk. ill stick with my dvd drive
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Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
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But does that mean that current dvd drives are compatible? meaning MS couldn't patch something to offer compatibility to this later on? theoretically
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Post by: blackchild1101 on June 11, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: nj12nets on June 11, 2005, 03:37:00 PM
fuk the hd-dvd and the blu-ray disk. ill stick with my dvd drive
Post by: incognegro on June 11, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: blackchild1101 on June 11, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 11 2005, 11:54 PM)
But does that mean that current dvd drives are compatible? meaning MS couldn't patch something to offer compatibility to this later on? theoretically
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: Twasi on June 11, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
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The Iomega thing isn't even an issue, that technology would use the same wavelength lasers, but it would require extreme precision. A firmware update to tell the laser to distinguish between variable depths would not likely be enough. As you increase the capacity of the disc you increase the needed precision in a direct relationship. Ot stands to reason that curent drives can't distinguish such fine differences in depth as a result of cost cutting. It also seems obvious that vibrations would greatly increase problems of misreading as your need for sensitivity increases. When this technology comes around it will require special drives. I can guarantee it.
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: deacon187 on June 12, 2005, 12:59:00 AM
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sorry if this a dumb question but i havent bought a pc game in a long long time, are pc games even made on dvd yet, cause if not i dont see why dvd9 wouldnt hold enough data for next gen games, all the space for our nice graffix, but doesnt memory, cpu and gpu play a part in that as well
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: Zero_Cool on June 12, 2005, 03:21:00 AM
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lol now what would you have done if 5-10 years ago people had said "fuk the dvd ill stick with my beta player" change has to happen, its the way it has to be, wether you like it or not. Sony can have there blu ray, M$ has not announced its plans on HD DVD yet so lets not make presumptions, if they use it, great, awesome, more power to them, if not, then im sure they will have good reason, if its economicly suitable to them, theres no reason for them not to, if they dont think the market is going anywhere then they wont, lets face it, bill gates did not become the richest man on the planet being an idiot, and J allard is no high school dropout, so they know what there doin. Also if you want any info on the next gen formats i reccommend reading (i hate to say this but there articles are pretty good, simple and to the point)
http://electronics.h...com/blu-ray.htm
http://www.disctroni...chnology/hddvd/
http://www.blu-ray.com/
i know its mostly on blu ray, but its harder to find stuff on HD DVD, ah well, theres always google, (and please stop with the I heards, instead of hearing, do some research, read some official sites, see if its tru before you post it)
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Title: Blu-ray/hd-dvd Deal Dead
Post by: Infamous_One on June 12, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
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Post by: Twasi on June 11, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: deacon187 on June 12, 2005, 12:59:00 AM
Post by: Zero_Cool on June 12, 2005, 03:21:00 AM
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fuk the hd-dvd and the blu-ray disk. ill stick with my dvd drive
lol now what would you have done if 5-10 years ago people had said "fuk the dvd ill stick with my beta player" change has to happen, its the way it has to be, wether you like it or not. Sony can have there blu ray, M$ has not announced its plans on HD DVD yet so lets not make presumptions, if they use it, great, awesome, more power to them, if not, then im sure they will have good reason, if its economicly suitable to them, theres no reason for them not to, if they dont think the market is going anywhere then they wont, lets face it, bill gates did not become the richest man on the planet being an idiot, and J allard is no high school dropout, so they know what there doin. Also if you want any info on the next gen formats i reccommend reading (i hate to say this but there articles are pretty good, simple and to the point)
http://electronics.h...com/blu-ray.htm
http://www.disctroni...chnology/hddvd/
http://www.blu-ray.com/
i know its mostly on blu ray, but its harder to find stuff on HD DVD, ah well, theres always google, (and please stop with the I heards, instead of hearing, do some research, read some official sites, see if its tru before you post it)
Post by: Infamous_One on June 12, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
QUOTE(deacon187 @ Jun 12 2005, 09:10 AM)
sorry if this a dumb question but i havent bought a pc game in a long long time, are pc games even made on dvd yet, cause if not i dont see why dvd9 wouldnt hold enough data for next gen games, all the space for our nice graffix, but doesnt memory, cpu and gpu play a part in that as well