Post by: Carlo210 on June 08, 2005, 04:57:00 AM
Also, just a question about playing games on the xbox360, will we actually be playing in higher resolutions? I know everything will be HD and have more detail in the higher resolution, but will the game itself be in a higher resolutio? LKike, when we play a shooter now in the low resolutions we have on xbox, our guns are pretty big and we have a small view. When we play a shooter on xbox360 in 720p or 1080i, will the gun be smaller on the screen and your viewable space larger? Get what I'm saying?
Also, if this is true, 1080i might jsut be better for gaming compared to 720p.
Post by: KAGE360 on June 08, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
......with MSAA and 720p res, all the xbox games plagued with jaggies *cough* rainbowsix 3 *cough* would look descent. hopefully if a small company like bleem can pull this off on the dreamcast then the coding gurus at MS can pull off some tricks with the 360
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 09, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
I'm all for a bump in graphics in BC... my guess is we'll get 480p with 4xMSAA and the few games that support HD will still support it.
From reading all the trouble they're having to get the emulation to work I think it's doubtful that they'd have enough processing omph left over to upscale the games (then again I could be wrong and we'll all be pleasantly surprised).
Then again I'd be perfectly content with 4xMSAA and 480p
Post by: th3rdeye420 on June 09, 2005, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Jun 9 2005, 02:47 AM)
Definitely a time for that next online petition:
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Deftech on June 10, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Infamous_One on June 10, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on June 10, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 9 2005, 12:17 PM)
Post by: Infamous_One on June 10, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Jun 9 2005, 08:47 AM)
Definitely a time for that next online petition:
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 10, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on June 10, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Infamous_One @ Jun 10 2005, 11:50 AM)
They wont , they will look the same , if you want better graphs buy an X360 game.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Shawn_ on June 10, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
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That's not true, they have been doing texture repacking for the zelda n64 games.
I don't see why they can't add some new hi-res textures etc.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Carlo210 on June 10, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
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Because they aren't making any exclusive releases thus far. It's not like they are releasing a Halo 1: 360 se version. It's just going to be able to play on the xbox 360, but take advantage of new resolutions and filtering.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
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We all think Halo2 looked great. Settled. But sometimes, like during cutscenes, it would frag and skip a little and you coud see through somes extures. I would like to see this remedied.
This also occurred in some games during gameplay. I would be happy if this was fixed.
I do expect at least a slight graphical upgrade, though.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
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Well as you should know, if a game is able to play on xbox360, it will no doubt take advantage of the extra ram and processing power, but will NOT have new shaded textures and cooler looking player models and such. It will run smoother and look crisper. That's all.
You won't get smoother looking Car models with more polys because this isn't what is programmed. Its like playing Super Mario 64 on your pc. It looks smoother because of better resolutions, a bit of antialiasing, and smoother loading times and gameplay framerates, but mario will not have more polys on him nor will the castle or the environmets, it will still be the same Mario 64, jsut smoother and crisper.
They aren't remaking any games thus far, so you can put money on the fact that xbox1 games will just look crisper and run smoother on the xbox360.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: zot23 on June 13, 2005, 02:40:00 PM
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I'm thinking you won't see anything over what the title originally did on xbox. From a marketing perspective doing any more doesn't make much sense. You need to offer BC to give casual players a warm and fuzzy feelign that all their old games aren't going to be useless (when really in fact 95% of them are), but you also want them to go out and buy the new games. One way to drive that is to have the new games look much, much better than the titles they are replacing. Otherwise, you runthe risk of having people not buying, say, PD0 because they are involved in beating Halo and Halo 2 again on the 360 to enjoy all the 720p/1080i upgrades.
So I'm thinking BC is just straight emulation of how it worked before, no frills and no thrills.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: jizmo on June 14, 2005, 03:42:00 AM
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/jizmo
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: KAGE360 on June 14, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
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in all honesty i care more about how many games they get emulated rather then how much better they look....
.....on major nelsons new blog he talks about playing halo 2 on 360 and how it was exactly the same, but he also said they have some tweaking to do still so who knows
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: m_hael on June 14, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
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afaik there will be no upgrades that occur automagically.... most games are HEAVILY tuned and sensitive to their resolution and thus they would require scaling and a much higher level in the code than simply altering the size of the frame buffer.
this doesn't mean that no one will offer high res versions of their games.. it just means it won't be automagic or free for that matter... possibly one of those "micro-transactions"
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
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Post by: Shawn_ on June 10, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jun 8 2005, 07:08 AM)
It will allow for better aax and stuff, but they won't beefen up the textures and stuff like that.
That's not true, they have been doing texture repacking for the zelda n64 games.
I don't see why they can't add some new hi-res textures etc.
Post by: Carlo210 on June 10, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on June 11, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
This also occurred in some games during gameplay. I would be happy if this was fixed.
I do expect at least a slight graphical upgrade, though.
Post by: Carlo210 on June 11, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
You won't get smoother looking Car models with more polys because this isn't what is programmed. Its like playing Super Mario 64 on your pc. It looks smoother because of better resolutions, a bit of antialiasing, and smoother loading times and gameplay framerates, but mario will not have more polys on him nor will the castle or the environmets, it will still be the same Mario 64, jsut smoother and crisper.
They aren't remaking any games thus far, so you can put money on the fact that xbox1 games will just look crisper and run smoother on the xbox360.
Post by: zot23 on June 13, 2005, 02:40:00 PM
So I'm thinking BC is just straight emulation of how it worked before, no frills and no thrills.
Post by: jizmo on June 14, 2005, 03:42:00 AM
/jizmo
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on June 14, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
.....on major nelsons new blog he talks about playing halo 2 on 360 and how it was exactly the same, but he also said they have some tweaking to do still so who knows
Post by: m_hael on June 14, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
this doesn't mean that no one will offer high res versions of their games.. it just means it won't be automagic or free for that matter... possibly one of those "micro-transactions"
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(m_hael @ Jun 14 2005, 08:13 PM)
afaik there will be no upgrades that occur automagically.... most games are HEAVILY tuned and sensitive to their resolution and thus they would require scaling and a much higher level in the code than simply altering the size of the frame buffer.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Andy51 on June 15, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
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I'm gonna sell all my Xbox games... Holy shit? Its June 15? Isn't GTA:SA out yet? for Xbox ?
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Carlo210 on June 15, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
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Who cares that game blows. imo of course.
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Andy51 on June 15, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
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I like Grand Theft Auto..........
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Title: Graphics Upgrade To X360 For Old Titles
Post by: Carlo210 on June 15, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
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So do I, but the franchise has taken a big dip. Vice city is still the best imo. San andreas is just so fucking boring.
Post by: Andy51 on June 15, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 15, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on June 15, 2005, 03:54:00 PM