Post by: comhen on November 16, 2011, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: 360player on November 17, 2011, 12:02:00 AM
He said we all need to call MS and complain because it could be a mistake on their part but i doubt it.
Post by: jaredanand on November 17, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
abgx will always be on top of AP, only time will tell though...
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 17, 2011, 12:11:00 AM
Post by: X4life3 on November 17, 2011, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: krizalid on November 17, 2011, 12:21:00 AM
QUOTE(lc204 @ Nov 17 2011, 02:14 AM) 
Samsung drives with latest ixtreme are still safe correct, since they don't do ap25 checks?
I assume so since that drive can't handle AP 2.5
Post by: bubbafett4hire on November 17, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Kudos to M$ for the per console change..sorry have to give credit to them for a good idea on their part. I'm curious now if the change was to stick it to C4e or to the ODE devices?
Post by: krizalid on November 17, 2011, 12:29:00 AM
QUOTE(bubbafett4hire @ Nov 17 2011, 02:27 AM)
If each DAE table is per console this means one may have to regularly dump the NAND to grab the DAE.bin every time a new one rolls out , If that is the case I see a new form of AGBX with a DAE correction tab...just speculation
Kudos to M$ for the per console change..sorry have to give credit to them for a good idea on their part. I'm curious now if the change was to stick it to C4e or to the ODE devices?
I think it's time for C4E to give up on a LIVE compatible firmware and release a firmware that fully defeats AP2.5 in all aspects, but not LIVE friendly... I'm sure he's got something up his sleeve!
I have a theory... but it's too complicated... since Samsung can't handle AP 2.5, using RGH we may alter the nand to believe the original drive is a samsung via OSIG, in other words, jump from OSIG 2 to OSIG 1 and that way any drive will ignore AP 2.5, but when updating it might get corrected... unless you have a spare samsung drive always there to update everytime, of course.... only applies to PHAT consoles.
Post by: X4life3 on November 17, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
QUOTE(krizalid @ Nov 17 2011, 02:29 AM)
I think it's time for C4E to give up on a LIVE compatible firmware and release a firmware that fully defeats AP2.5 in all aspects, but not LIVE friendly... I'm sure he's got something up his sleeve!
I have a theory... but it's too complicated... since Samsung can't handle AP 2.5, using RGH we may alter the nand to believe the original drive is a samsung via OSIG, in other words, jump from OSIG 2 to OSIG 1 and that way any drive will ignore AP 2.5, but when updating it might get corrected... unless you have a spare samsung drive always there to update everytime, of course.... only applies to PHAT consoles.
No point in making a non-live firmware, you can just do the rgh. The only console you cant is on xenons and most have drives that doing support AP 2.5 anyways. And you wont need verbs anymore, i see alot of homebrew in the future.
Post by: blob_54 on November 17, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(krizalid @ Nov 17 2011, 12:41 AM)
Agreed, but you are missing 1 point.. and that is that there are some unglitchable consoles and the new Corona... so that will end sooner than later as well.
but the amount of systems out their that are will out way that lol
I'm seeing abgx releasing a new version soon with patch's.... just how fast can they figure out this crap? how many people are now going out and buying mw3 and other xgd3 games?... alot!! people are addicted now to their games and wont want to stop... microsoft was planning this from the beginning lol... they are getting sales again... just sux, but you cant blame them lol
Post by: spyder dogg on November 17, 2011, 01:03:00 AM
sorry for the noob questions been awhile since ive been banned
the games below still work i even did a disc update for some of them just now
rage
dead rising off the record
dead island
batman arkahm city
not working
mw3
black ops
driver san fransisco
gears of war 3
Post by: BigSteel on November 17, 2011, 01:12:00 AM
QUOTE(spyder dogg @ Nov 17 2011, 01:03 AM)
ok so i got hit by the silent assault microsoft is dishing out...what to do next?do i simply reflash the drive and be all good?is my console about to banned from xbox live 4-ever?will my gamertag acct be banned as well?
sorry for the noob questions been awhile since ive been banned
No one knows yet. The only thing certain is that reflashing your drive isn't going to help.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 17, 2011, 01:28:00 AM
The result:
Post by: jaroc on November 17, 2011, 01:38:00 AM
edit: just did a bit more readin, I have a samsung drive =/
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 17, 2011, 01:45:00 AM
actually....i seem to remeber seeing a NAND write protect switch mod a while back, this would prevent them writing to NAND atleast but suppose they could always switch to storing DAE on any memory device you have inserted at the time
Post by: Cybore on November 17, 2011, 01:46:00 AM
I guess it's time to say goodbye to live indefinitely. I should start looking RGH.
Post by: Mikemc87 on November 17, 2011, 01:47:00 AM
Post by: Quinton Rampage Jackson on November 17, 2011, 01:48:00 AM
I turned my system off and turned it back it on just now and it's asking me this time for an official update.
I declined. Is this the new dash already?
Post by: RRoD420 on November 17, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 17, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
Post by: rwcottrell on November 17, 2011, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 17, 2011, 02:11:00 AM
QUOTE(rwcottrell @ Nov 17 2011, 10:05 AM)
so how does this effect someone that dosent ever plan on going onto xbox live?
doesnt really apart from future updates may have a unique dae.ban for your console which you will need to dump, but for someone not planning to use live just do the RGH, much more useful that the dvd drive mod and no worries about re-burning disks or ap.2.5 errors
Post by: Quinton Rampage Jackson on November 17, 2011, 02:12:00 AM
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 17, 2011, 02:17:00 AM
QUOTE(rwcottrell @ Nov 17 2011, 04:05 AM)
so how does this effect someone that dosent ever plan on going onto xbox live?
It affects you because the games are being blocked as well. If they manage to implement this on games like system updates but also secret like this then it will eventually get you offline.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 17, 2011, 02:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Moddedfirm1 @ Nov 17 2011, 04:19 AM)
i have a noob question for the community Does it matter if i play my retail copies of XGD3 on my modded box? is it safe for live?
You should be safe because all the correct angles are pressed onto your disk. Meaning your disk contains the correct responses to the new challenges.
Post by: Moddedfirm1 on November 17, 2011, 02:27:00 AM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 17 2011, 03:21 AM)
You should be safe because all the correct angles are pressed onto your disk. Meaning your disk contains the correct responses to the new challenges.
thank you for that answer. i was kinda nervous. do you think its the end for us modders?
Post by: Mikemc87 on November 17, 2011, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Moddedfirm1 @ Nov 17 2011, 11:27 AM)
thank you for that answer. i was kinda nervous. do you think its the end for us modders?
As far as i read C4E doesn't think so. It's a new challenge to face
Post by: dialtone187 on November 17, 2011, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: tarektaha on November 17, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: evans05 on November 17, 2011, 03:38:00 AM
Post by: mammolo74 on November 17, 2011, 03:46:00 AM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Nov 17 2011, 12:38 PM)
fix being worked on says c4eva
what kind of fix? i think NOW we are all flagged! -__- i think we must resell our XBOX -.-
Post by: bluemimmosa on November 17, 2011, 03:46:00 AM
QUOTE
1) Dump your nand and make sure your nand is good.
2) Glitch your console to get the CPUKEY.
3) Use 360 multibuilder from Rogero to build a retail image so it uses the dae.bin from the my360 folder. Remember that ur nand dump must use provided dae.bin to build the retail image.
4) Now flash back your retail image.
5) If all goes good then you have replaced your new dae.bin with your old dae.bin letting you play your existing backups.
6) Now stay away off live..
2) Glitch your console to get the CPUKEY.
3) Use 360 multibuilder from Rogero to build a retail image so it uses the dae.bin from the my360 folder. Remember that ur nand dump must use provided dae.bin to build the retail image.
4) Now flash back your retail image.
5) If all goes good then you have replaced your new dae.bin with your old dae.bin letting you play your existing backups.
6) Now stay away off live..
Post by: thesonandheir on November 17, 2011, 04:06:00 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that grabbing the "current" set of ap25 responses, and burning em to a disk so they can be played back later is retarded? What happens when they update the challenge database in flash? What happens when they send an unknown ap25 challenge thru live?
To LOL it up, and say ap25 is beat, is in fact retarded.
You willl all be burning a bunch of new disks every time there is a dash update, maybe sooner if they send dynamic challenges through live. You slim guys aren't even gonna be running backups of ANY kind before long.
Remember you heard it here first
Tiros, the guy sure knows his onions alright.
P.S. was playing MW3 original last night and got an unsupported disc error. Had to eject to get the game to start again.
I updated to beta dash early on and then played MW3 online for a couple of hours when it spat the error out. This is on a stock slim.
Is this possibly when the new table was issued?
Post by: pinkerton on November 17, 2011, 04:11:00 AM
While there at it, why not unban all the old banned consoles?
Post by: ddxcb on November 17, 2011, 04:22:00 AM
SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BONED.
Sucks, MS had officially, Killed any "Current Xbox Live AP checks games." Right now.
THE HAMMER WILL FALL SOON.
BEWARE IT, as It will Screw YOU.
Also: The Dawn for backups offline, as it should of been.
Do not violate the TOS and COC for xbox.
Again the hammer will fall.
Post by: dr3yec on November 17, 2011, 04:44:00 AM
Post by: DrGremlin on November 17, 2011, 05:03:00 AM
I'm currently playing Driver and Skyrim and just wanted to know. Was playing yesterday evening for the last time, so my dae.bin wasn't updated last time i played.
Post by: pinkerton on November 17, 2011, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: pv3nomq on November 17, 2011, 07:01:00 AM
Also I know someone in the preview program on a legit console, should I keep my Gamertag off that console because it stated that my gamertag "last signed in on another console" message.
Post by: jackspud on November 17, 2011, 07:15:00 AM
QUOTE(pv3nomq @ Nov 17 2011, 04:01 PM)
So if your console got "sucker punched" by M$ will you get the "Game not supported" error?
Also I know someone in the preview program on a legit console, should I keep my Gamertag off that console because it stated that my gamertag "last signed in on another console" message.
yes, if it says "disc unsupported" then you have been silently updated
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(DrGremlin @ Nov 17 2011, 03:33 PM)
Are all XGD3 Titles affected or just some of them?
I'm currently playing Driver and Skyrim and just wanted to know. Was playing yesterday evening for the last time, so my dae.bin wasn't updated last time i played.
My Skyrim works too, I disconnected my console immediately after I heard the news. I believe it affects only some games, but there is no way to know. I bet that MW3 and GOW3 can flag you but I'm not gonna try that. Now it feels like sh*t, can't even test to know if I'm updated or not. Anyone with some first hand useful experience
?
Post by: jackspud on November 17, 2011, 07:36:00 AM
QUOTE(moh.sakhaii @ Nov 17 2011, 03:29 PM)
My Skyrim works too, I disconnected my console immediately after I heard the news. I believe it affects only some games, but there is no way to know. I bet that MW3 and GOW3 can flag you but I'm not gonna try that. Now it feels like sh*t, can't even test to know if I'm updated or not. Anyone with some first hand useful experience
?from what i can tell with my testing, once you are "silently Updated" by just being connected to live, it stops all (XGD3) games from working and you just get the (this disc is unsupported screen). like i have said in earlier posts i have 4 phat consoles 2 have been silently updated and none of the (XGD3) games work, but the other two work perfectly,just stay off live
Post by: pif001 on November 17, 2011, 07:39:00 AM
two of my systems are flagged, and findsecdata was not able to clean them. So I rebuilt a clean retail image since I have the CPU keys for both system (cpu glitch). Now they are clean...but who knows if they will be banned or not...
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(jackspud @ Nov 17 2011, 06:06 PM)
from what i can tell with my testing, once you are "silently Updated" by just being connected to live, it stops all (XGD3) games from working and you just get the (this disc is unsupported screen). like i have said in earlier posts i have 4 phat consoles 2 have been silently updated and none of the (XGD3) games work, but the other two work perfectly,just stay off live
Thanks, if it is as you say, mine is not updated and it's good news, but I heard some games like Batman Arkham city and Skyrim works for others too, can you try one of these, or did you already?
QUOTE(pif001 @ Nov 17 2011, 06:09 PM)
instead of trying to boot MW3 as a test. use XVAL to check if your system failed AP25 check, if it says your secdata is clean then you are not flagged...
My secdata is clean, I know it because I have memorized my previous X number from the start of times
and I have not failed a single disc even once.
Post by: pif001 on November 17, 2011, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(jackspud @ Nov 17 2011, 03:36 PM)
from what i can tell with my testing, once you are "silently Updated" by just being connected to live, it stops all (XGD3) games from working and you just get the (this disc is unsupported screen). like i have said in earlier posts i have 4 phat consoles 2 have been silently updated and none of the (XGD3) games work, but the other two work perfectly,just stay off live
Thats not true. The only affected game so far is MW3 since my brother was playing Arkham City on his system, he tried MW3 but wasn't able to play the game....
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
QUOTE(pif001 @ Nov 17 2011, 06:16 PM)
Thats not true. The only affected game so far is MW3 since my brother was playing Arkham City on his system, he tried MW3 but wasn't able to play the game....
MW3, Gears of war 3 and Driver could flag your system. What about Skyrim? someone please test this
It's a shame that even c4eva didn't provide the correct info.
Post by: jackspud on November 17, 2011, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
QUOTE(jackspud @ Nov 17 2011, 06:24 PM)
I have tried Skyrim, MW3, Saints Row 3,Halo Anniversary and they all come up with "Disc not Supported Screen"
Hmm, interesting, I wonder if this is different for different people too, now that would be an even harder kick to our balls
Post by: BrutalDrew on November 17, 2011, 08:13:00 AM
QUOTE(pif001 @ Nov 17 2011, 09:46 AM)
Thats not true. The only affected game so far is MW3 since my brother was playing Arkham City on his system, he tried MW3 but wasn't able to play the game....
I don't even own MW3 and ran into the issue. Played two matches in Halo CE Anniversary and then got "Disc unsupported" and failed AP25 verification in XVal.
Post by: Yafeu on November 17, 2011, 08:17:00 AM
This is with a BenQ running lt+ 2.0
Post by: Coolenpee on November 17, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
I have one original with retail games i use 4 live.
other 360 only 4 backups but i just put it sometimes online to watch gamemovies and so ...
so with bad luck I could also get this "disease" ?
Post by: Eidan on November 17, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
BTW...i was playin' mw3 last days...no one noticed that when you are about to play online the disc start spinning like crazy???? And I got it installed on my hd.
Post by: KKjustFlossin on November 17, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Achtung on November 17, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
I played my legit forza 4 last night around 10pm for about an hour online. That's the only XGD3 game I've played online as I was willing to wait for a new version of AGBX before I would trust anything was created properly.
Post by: guilleheat on November 17, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: jaroc on November 17, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: AdamasAterno on November 17, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
Assassin's Creed Revelations
Saint's Row 3
NFS : The Run
Battlefield 3
Rage
Batman Arkham City
Not working -
007 GoldenEye Reloaded
Dark Souls
Skyrim (arghhh!)
I didn't even bother trying Forza 4, Halo CE anniversary, MW3, Black ops, or Gears 3 because I'm under the impression that first and massive selling third party titles, such as the COD series, are major ways to incorporate new updates to, so more than likely they won't work. The reasoning behind the random other titles working/not working for people is beyond me. Good thing I still have my Limited edition gears console sitting pretty in it's unopened box
Post by: Gokussj5okazu on November 17, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(jaroc @ Nov 17 2011, 08:52 AM)
So just to be clear, once the LT+2.0 for hitachi drives comes out, 360's with a hitachi or a sammy will still be able to go on live without this being a problem right?
Correct! This new check is part of AP2.5. Those drives don't even acknowledge the existence of AP2.5 data, so they'll literally play anything.
Post by: boflc on November 17, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
oh, those bedroom eyes.
Post by: foolkiller on November 17, 2011, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: dangerouseddy on November 17, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(foolkiller @ Nov 17 2011, 05:23 PM)
I have an older Falcon model that has not been on since yesterday morning. After hearing this news i tried to switch out my liteon with a samsung. Got on live today and no ap25 work at all. Both original and backups don't work. Im not getting the "unsupported error" instead im getting "dirty disk error". I checked my secdata is clean. I can see backups not working but why the originals? Anyone else tried this?
the console has to come with a drive that cant do ap2.5 for a samsung to work. swapping a liteon for a samsung wont work since the console expects to able able to read the ap2.5 data from the disc.
Post by: foolkiller on November 17, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Nov 17 2011, 12:29 PM)
the console has to come with a drive that cant do ap2.5 for a samsung to work. swapping a liteon for a samsung wont work since the console expects to able able to read the ap2.5 data from the disc.
So by using RGH to get the nand and keys, can the OSIG be modified to tell the console that it originally came with a samsung drive?
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(KKjustFlossin @ Nov 17 2011, 07:06 PM)
.however my other games still work....Battlefield 3....Skyrim.....Saint's Row....Driver......only NFS doesn't work....so what does THAT mean? I have a slim with a 0225 LiteOn with LT+ 2.0.....
Skyrim got a strange behavior for me though, the game quests stuck and if I start a new game Rodolf does not speak, no one speaks
WTF
Post by: youngmann on November 17, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Thanks for all the info.
Is it considered as safe to play original AP2.5 and XGD3 on a flashed LT+2.0 Phat Benq?
Can I play originals Ap2.5 and XGD3 on live without getting flagged?
Thanks!
Regards
Post by: spyder dogg on November 17, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(youngmann @ Nov 17 2011, 11:53 AM)
Hey!
Thanks for all the info.
Is it considered as safe to play original AP2.5 and XGD3 on a flashed LT+2.0 Phat Benq?
Can I play originals Ap2.5 and XGD3 on live without getting flagged?
Thanks!
Regards
yes u will get the silent assault dae.bin error
and flagged
i have flashed LT+2.0 Phat Benq as well and got the unreadable disc error starting yesterday
stay off xbox live everyone!!
Post by: jjonty1 on November 17, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(spyder dogg @ Nov 17 2011, 04:58 PM)
yes u will get the silent assault dae.bin error
and flagged
i have flashed LT+2.0 Phat Benq as well and got the unreadable disc error starting yesterday
stay off xbox live everyone!!
We all know the top guys are working on this... Its only a matter of time till something new comes out
All i can say is STAY OF XBL.....
Post by: jackspud on November 17, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
the experts are dealing with it, just give them the respect and time they deserve.
Post by: spyder dogg on November 17, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
[2011-11-17 07:54AM UTC] #fw <c4eva> skynets:no
Post by: THAbomb82 on November 17, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
I was playing Skyrim yesterday and had no problems had some issues with frame-rate that looked like the disk was dirty and had a rough time loading the level and since the news I haven't tried to play because I'm scared....
Post by: dangerouseddy on November 17, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(foolkiller @ Nov 17 2011, 05:39 PM)
So by using RGH to get the nand and keys, can the OSIG be modified to tell the console that it originally came with a samsung drive?
from what i have read on xbox hacker no, if i remember correctly its stored in the keyvault on the nand and that cant be tampered with.
Post by: youngmann on November 17, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(spyder dogg @ Nov 17 2011, 06:58 PM)
yes u will get the silent assault dae.bin error
and flagged
i have flashed LT+2.0 Phat Benq as well and got the unreadable disc error starting yesterday
stay off xbox live everyone!!
Ohh Playing an original? I was hoping i could still play originals on live...
Post by: Mr.RedRing on November 17, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(dr3yec @ Nov 17 2011, 06:44 AM)
Whatever dude , life will go on and another hack will come out , that is the fun in this hobby.
Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge. I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind. I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much. It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
Post by: BoNg420 on November 17, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Bassie Von Adriaan @ Nov 17 2011, 11:22 AM)
Is spoofing a sammy to liteon safe?
I was about to buy a drive that can support burner max. So im still good. Dunno what to do now. Seems they got it right this time.
Wont work
System is expecting a drive that does AP25 to be in there.
Post by: slash007 on November 17, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: buster1395 on November 17, 2011, 10:59:00 AM
QUOTE(slash007 @ Nov 17 2011, 12:49 PM)
Is there a way to uninstall the silent update so that I can at least play the affected backups off-line?
no
Post by: WhyS on November 17, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
My backup of mw3 does not work as of today, but will an original mw3 load up, or not?
And if the original copy does work, should I still stay away from going online?
LT 2.0
Post by: Redline99 on November 17, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 09:37 AM)
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
Because ap25 challenges are nearly infinite depending on the exact challenges in the dae. If the dae changes, which it does, then the set of challenges changes too. When the challenges change then whatever has been recorded onto the backup is no longer valid. Also if the challenges are unique to your console then getting the dae bin is much harder, it is cpu key encrypted. You cannot just swap it out or use someone else's and you need the replies stored on the backup to match the challenges of the dae in your nand. So if you dont have your cpu key and you don't have a way to decrypt your dae file continually, then you now have issues with playing backups.
Post by: spyder dogg on November 17, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(slash007 @ Nov 17 2011, 12:49 PM)
Is there a way to uninstall the silent update so that I can at least play the affected backups off-line?
wouldnt that be the solution to all our problems lol,u make it sound so easy
Post by: crackalac on November 17, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 11:37 AM)
Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge. I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind. I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much. It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
There are millions of possible challenges. The retail disk can answer all of these challenges correctly as it is a true pressed disk. When you make an 0800 rip or patch in ap2.5 data, you are only giving your backup a very small portion of the possible challenge/response table. This worked until now because as long as we know what measurements ts checking, we can rip that same data. The problem now is that it might ask me for a different measurement than it asks you. And they can Change this on the fly. Your burned disk is still sitting in your Xbox with those old challenge/response tables.
Post by: totoz on November 17, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 06:37 PM)
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
+1 - need answer
Post by: XeoNoX on November 17, 2011, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: not2able on November 17, 2011, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: evildereck on November 17, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 12:09 PM)
Back ups and live..No more..Simple.
If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted that over the years
Post by: Aldrahn on November 17, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 08:37 PM)
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
Seriously, you are wondering if you're missing something? This has been explained a million times in this site alone, not mentioning the whole freaking internet! Come on guys, a bit more reading and a little more using your brain. The process of manufacturing a retail disc is quite different than making a copy/backup of it and every new challenge set "asks" for different responses. Your backup only has "answers" for the challenges it was burned with, while an original disc has every "answer" for any challenge. That's the reason why you need to reburn your backups every time MS changes the challenges with a new dae.bin. I can't explain this using more layman's terms...
Post by: MVPd on November 17, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: MVPd on November 17, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: crackalac on November 17, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(totoz @ Nov 17 2011, 12:07 PM)
+1 - need answer
Try reading the post directly above yours
Post by: djbastard on November 17, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 06:37 PM)
Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge. I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind. I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much. It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
FYI:
All those AP2.5 challenges are stored on the disc but on a special way and we don't know how to read those challenges at first. That's where the DAE.bin file is for. It tells us where to look for the challenges on the original disc so we can rip it from the disc. If that file is not there then we still don't know where to look.
If it gets ripped using 0800 firmware or any other means then the program still needs the DAE.bin file to know how to find the challenges.
If the DAE.bin file gets updated then it tells us more ways to find other challenges on the disc and we have to rerip and reburn the disc with the updated DAE.bin file to comply with the new challenges.
So this means if each console has like a shared section of 90% of the challenges and the other 10% (the part that gets silently updated) of the challenges are console specific you cannot share the DAE.bin file any more. That also means everyone has to rip a copy himself eachtime from an original disc.
And making every challenge possible would not fit on a disc that we can burn.
Possible solutions:
-NAND Write Protect (but this will give write errors that Microsoft can read)
-RGH and get CPU key. Decrypt the KeyVault and change the OSIG to Sammy. Encrypt it again and put it back on the nand and change your drive itself to a Sammy. (this can also give problems like Microsoft knowing which factory made batches contain a certain drive)
-Never on Live again
-Don't go online now and wait till there is a solution from the man/team who brought us 6 years of countermeasures against Microsoft
-Go buy a second hand Xbox with a Sammy drive or a pre Hitachi 78 drive.
Any other solutions will be highly appreciated!
Post by: jjonty1 on November 17, 2011, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(buster1395 @ Nov 17 2011, 05:59 PM)
no
Hope it dont take long to counter microsoft attempt of making us all unhappy.. We will always win
Post by: crackalac on November 17, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
QUOTE(MVPd @ Nov 17 2011, 12:19 PM)
Something I've slways wondered but never asked, is there a way to get all the responses from a disc. How does it work, is it just the way the disc is pressed, or is there a file/data within the disc that currently can't be ripped? If its the latter then the solution would be to obviously extract this info for each disc so rips are a true 1/1 copy. Although if this was the case I imagine this would of happened ages ago.
It's not even close to being possible. Way too much data to fit on a disk.
Post by: not2able on November 17, 2011, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(evildereck @ Nov 17 2011, 07:11 PM)
If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted that over the years
Vice versa...If I had a dollar for eveytime someone said we are safe on xbox live with back ups...I'd be as minted as you..
This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible. As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different. Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.
Post by: jjonty1 on November 17, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 06:24 PM)
This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible. As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different. Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.
its on it way lol
Post by: jbluford on November 17, 2011, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(slash007 @ Nov 17 2011, 06:49 PM)
Is there a way to uninstall the silent update so that I can at least play the affected backups off-line?
You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there. You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.
Post by: totoz on November 17, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(djbastard @ Nov 17 2011, 07:20 PM)
If it gets ripped using 0800 firmware or any other means then the program still needs the DAE.bin file to know how to find the challenges.
If the DAE.bin file gets updated then it tells us more ways to find other challenges on the disc and we have to rerip and reburn the disc with the updated DAE.bin file to comply with the new challenges.
my bad, I thought that c4eva, with 0800 v3 firmware, found a way to rip ALL ap25 info, but it can rip only ap25 checks known thanks to several dae.bin.
Post by: jjonty1 on November 17, 2011, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(jbluford @ Nov 17 2011, 06:28 PM)
You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there. You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.
Just tryed that still comes up with the same, lol ..... face it looks like i'll buy a new xbox tomorrow and mw3
Post by: dangerouseddy on November 17, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 07:24 PM)
Vice versa...If I had a dollar for eveytime someone said we are safe on xbox live with back ups...I'd be as minted as you..
This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible. As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different. Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.
no ban wave required. backups not working = job done.
Post by: ebscene on November 17, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: dradra on November 17, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
They just need to store sector coordinates and not angles responses for AP25. Angles can be calculated from the sector positions.
if for every coordinate you store two doubles (16 bits), or two qwords, that information will be 1/128 the size of the DVD. And if you're clever you probably can reduce the size a lot more. Like storing only deltas, maybe use dwords and words for storage and apply compression after.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 17, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(jbluford @ Nov 17 2011, 01:28 PM)
You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there. You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.
Can anyone confirm this? The DAE.bin file is stored in the NAND so why would this even work.
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Nov 17 2011, 10:10 PM)
no ban wave required. backups not working = job done.
Or to be more exact, no backups on live = job done
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 17 2011, 10:12 PM)
Can anyone confirm this? The DAE.bin file is stored in the NAND so why would this even work.
It's b****it, of course it won't work
Post by: crazygoldfish on November 17, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
Think I'll keep it
Post by: jaroc on November 17, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: not2able on November 17, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(jaroc @ Nov 17 2011, 07:54 PM)
To everyone saying "ohh this is it guys no more backups on xbox live this time is different" - I'm on xbox live with my xgd3 backups right now, samsung drives and hitachi drives when lthe new f.w comes out are still working.
Thats kind of stating the obvious though, we all know sammys and hitachi's are exempt..
Post by: Aldanga on November 17, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Nov 17 2011, 04:06 AM)
Tiros, the guy sure knows his onions alright.
He definitely does. People (read: C4E/#fw 'groupies') don't give him the credit he deserves. I think sometimes he's a little too definite in his proclamations, but he's no slouch when it comes to knowledge of this stuff.
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 10:37 AM)
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
If I can speak a little more on this topic: it's not that the responses are stored on the disc, but that they are calculated from angles whose result is known. Since the angles don't change as they are physical versions of highs and lows, 1s and 0s, they are constant and can be used in calculations to arrive at consistent results. If my understanding is correct (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this), there are theoretically virtually infinite combinations of challenges that can be calculated from each disc. The major limitation thus far has been the DAE table, and that is because it can't store an infinite number of challenges. If it could, it would be almost impossible to bypass or fulfill AP2.5 requirements with present implementations.
As for the Hitachi and Sammy drives: only those drives which don't support AP2.5 are free from these problems. Some Hitachis do support AP2.5, so you need to be sure that the drive your console has doesn't support AP2.5 before you try to use it for AP2.5 games.
Post by: vishdas108 on November 17, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 18 2011, 12:18 AM)
I see what you are saying BUT XGD2 still work right? and any non non AP 2.5 title...So why do you think they still won't ban modified consoles..I still smell it happening.
i just got banned now . i played mw3 last night when i tried to play this morning i was getting unsupported disc error . after checking c4eva's channel i understood every thing . i turned on my xbox ban message received . end of drama and praying that MS does not ban
Post by: jbluford on November 17, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(moh.sakhaii @ Nov 17 2011, 07:43 PM)
Or to be more exact, no backups on live = job done
It's b****it, of course it won't work
Ok, maybe I should have clarified my statement and thoughts. I have an xbox 360 model that is a little older. It came stock with a BenQ drive and DOES NOT have the 4GB memory built in. I also have been updated to the new dashboard via the preview program. Any time my hard drive is connected and I sign into live 3 titles fail to boot. If I turn on my xbox 360 WITHOUT a hard drive or flash drive these three titles boot fine. I've just tried it again to be sure. I have LT MAX 2.0 for benq on this xbox. Maybe, just maybe there is more to this than you guys are saying and you should see before calling b******t. I believe that SOMETHING is stored in the internal memory on systems that have 4GB and its not all in the NAND based on this.
Post by: stanleycup on November 17, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
" , i did a second backup of oblivion on a new verbatim , popped it in the same xbox slim upstairs "NO GO , after took the 2 different backups of Oblivion, went downstairs, popped it in the xbox slim in my basement "Both of them play just fine " , anyone has a theory on this !!! 
Post by: moh.sakhaii on November 17, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(vishdas108 @ Nov 17 2011, 10:29 PM)
i just got banned now . i played mw3 last night when i tried to play this morning i was getting unsupported disc error . after checking c4eva's channel i understood every thing . i turned on my xbox ban message received . end of drama and praying that MS does not ban
Wow, first ban is here
Post by: shtewps on November 17, 2011, 12:04:00 PM
QUOTE(dr3yec @ Nov 17 2011, 07:44 AM)
Whatever dude , life will go on and another hack will come out , that is the fun in this hobby.
holy f*ck you're still around!?
lets jump on kai and play some original rb6 RIGHT NOW!
haha, jesus it's been a while.
Post by: evans05 on November 17, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(vishdas108 @ Nov 17 2011, 07:59 PM)
i just got banned now . i played mw3 last night when i tried to play this morning i was getting unsupported disc error . after checking c4eva's channel i understood every thing . i turned on my xbox ban message received . end of drama and praying that MS does not ban
really?
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 17, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(shtewps @ Nov 17 2011, 08:04 PM)
holy f*ck you're still around!?
lets jump on kai and play some original rb6 RIGHT NOW!
haha, jesus it's been a while.
Don't laugh, my trusty xbox one still boots and we load kai and halo 2 from time to time, maybe more now!!
look for games in the latin america category it has the most games
Post by: jfpo on November 17, 2011, 12:11:00 PM
I don't play too much games in multiplayer I buy original games like GOW3 and MW3 (only those games this year) and played online the rest in my jtag, it's easy and less frustrating that been banned or dealing and waiting reactions of M$ against our Xbox Drives. it's only a recommendation an my own experience, at the end of the day you will lost less money and time.
Post by: shtewps on November 17, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(boflc @ Nov 17 2011, 12:08 PM)
oh, those bedroom eyes.
LOL holy shit that made my laugh.
'bedroom eyes' lmfao!.. yeah ms definitely f*cked us.
thats awesome! glad some people are still holding it down. i was heavy into the kai/rb6 scene as compact as it was.
hoping rgh will breath some new life into kai and maybe even some old school xbox original titles!
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 17 2011, 03:09 PM)
Don't laugh, my trusty xbox one still boots and we load kai and halo 2 from time to time, maybe more now!!
look for games in the latin america category it has the most games Post by: ochentay4 on November 17, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 02:37 PM)
Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge. I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind. I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much. It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks? It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week.. I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now. I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...
To put it simply: AP2.5 data that you burn is a RESPONSE of a QUESTION that DAE.BIN makes, and now, DAE.BIN changes in a way that its never the same, so your burned backup cant RESPOND and fails secuiryt check. The original, as an original copy, has all that it needs to respond actual and future DAE.BIN request because the disc is pressed in a factory and not burned in a pc burner. It has data that CANT be burned.
Post by: Dangoh on November 18, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Dangoh @ Nov 18 2011, 10:21 PM)
Well tried all TU files for ACB and none worked, so at least we know that ACB wont work with the method, then I will be patient then
Assassins Revelations confirmed not working either, but neither does the skyrim update from around same date although previously dated one does, so just thinking we need earlier TU if it exist, if not may be screwed on those.
Post by: Hoescout on November 18, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
I have a 256MB Jasper. Now with the HDD attached MW3 backup didnt boot.
With HDD deattached, the game boots and asks for Update. I saved the TU on the 256MB internal memory and the game plays fine.
Explanation/Thoughts: the new dae.bin security compares the disc authenticity to a file stored on the HDD. But because there are so many testfiles for many games, you can not store everything on the internal 256MB memory (probably just yet).
So I guess the only thing you need to do right now is:
1. connect USB stick to xbox, format it and turn off the xbox. Deattach HDD, turn on the xbox and start the game, it will ask to download the TU, save it on the USB stick.
End of the deal.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 18, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Post by: ra2shadow on November 18, 2011, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(TonyRage @ Nov 18 2011, 09:12 PM)
I didn't say it was complicated, idiot, I said playing the original is even easier - which it clearly is. Unless you consider opening a game case and inserting a disc more complicated than <insert your pathetic pirate avoidance workarounds here>.
Yes, I'm clearly trolling by pointing out the obvious log flaw in almost everyone who's posted here trying to get their quite obviously pirated backups working on Live. The mere fact nobody thought of using their original disc only further illustrates the real intent of users here....
The saving grace is that you're nearing the end of your time now. Pretty soon backups are going to be for offline use only, just how it should be and was on the original Xbox, and you'll be SOL. Enjoy it whilst it lasts
</end of my input to this thread, as the deluded pirates arrive to defend themselves>
I own every game I have a copy of bar cod4 as some little fool stole it, I much prefer playing copies due to kids I have a 7 year old that wouldnt know how to take care of a football never mind a DVD.
Its is a pain and could be costly to me, I know there a hole load of folks that do it for other reasons and with them I agree, the games are overpriced and on the hole not worth it.
A friend got MW3 and beat it in 3 hours, he doesnt have the net so a waste of cash. (Luckly we link up weekly)
That being said there are 1000s upon 1000s doing it for my reason, I know 4 off hand.
What I want to say really is F**K OFF TROLL.
Also some dude asked if you need CFW to use xkey360.
Does the Xbox 360 DVD drive need any custom firmware flashed to work with Xkey?
No, quite the opposite in fact. You need a dump of the original drive firmware to configure Xkey. The good news is that's all you need to configure Xkey.
Well you need your firmware and £90
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 18 2011, 10:45 PM)
thank god I bought an Xk3y. It got too messy with CFW, flashes, reflashes, burner firmware, buying new firmware.
Are you like the Xk3y spokesperson? How much they paying? I bet if I search your post you will see they call contain the word Xk3y.
>> Hey, what's for lunch?
badhabit >> I dunno but my sandwiches taste better with xk3y spread.
What reason should I buy an xk3y now that RGH is out?
Post by: Goldfinger515 on November 18, 2011, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 18 2011, 03:51 PM)
Are you like the Xk3y spokesperson? How much they paying? I bet if I search your post you will see they call contain the word Xk3y.
>> Hey, what's for lunch?
badhabit >> I dunno but my sandwiches taste better with xk3y spread.
What reason should I buy an xk3y now that RGH is out?
i would only assume because of this http://www.x360keyfo....php?f=5&t=1706.
if that link is true seems that the key will be able to be back on live before cfw. still cant go on live with rgh or did i miss something?
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Goldfinger515 @ Nov 18 2011, 11:00 PM)
i would only assume because of this http://www.x360keyfo....php?f=5&t=1706.
if that link is true seems that the key will be able to be back on live before cfw. still cant go on live with rgh or did i miss something?
ummm, are you saying the xk3y is live safe? If it's not, why wouldn't I just RGH? And i'm already back on live with most of the XGD3, just as flagged and unsafe as an xk3y...?? or did I miss something??
Post by: spyder dogg on November 18, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
QUOTE(evildereck @ Nov 18 2011, 04:58 PM)
Jesus, man, why advertise? You let everyone know when you're holding coke, too?
bro we all advertising it by just posting in this forum pretty much
i just got the balls to admit it ,im not in denial
and sorry im no coke head, im 420 homie
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 18, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 18 2011, 10:51 PM)
Are you like the Xk3y spokesperson? How much they paying? I bet if I search your post you will see they call contain the word Xk3y.
>> Hey, what's for lunch?
badhabit >> I dunno but my sandwiches taste better with xk3y spread.
What reason should I buy an xk3y now that RGH is out?
The video in the link shows Xk3y team playing all new XGD3 games, logged into Xbox Live Gold. Can you do that with rgh, Jtag or CFW as of Nov 18 '11?
No I'm not a spokesperson. Just got tired of constant reflashing, fw updating, and having to buy a new burner was the thing that did it for me. It just got too much.
Not bashing C4eva, the guy is clearly a genious, it's just me that got tired of the constant hassle.
Post by: Arturopol on November 18, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(burzum1 @ Nov 18 2011, 10:27 AM)
I think this is my first post in here (ok it is the second), first when i saw this "fix" But as you can see from my join date, it is not that i have been flooding this board with messeges so far i have only been reading.
I was sure that someone was trying to be funny.
But cause my friend my was so desperate to play mw3, he ask me to try this.
And i am shocked but it actually works, i know that i am still flagged for ban. But at least i can enjoy a few more days (maybe only hours) of gameplay. Super nice
And my xbox is not jtag, rgh or another hack.
Only latest firmware update from c4 and lite on burner max.
I took a standard usb flash drive.
1 First format it in your xbox (if you have not already done it)
2 Put it in your pc
3 Download Horizon (search google for horizon+xbox360)
4 Download latest update from here http://www.xbuc.net/
5 Drag the update you just downloaded into Horizon and it will copy too usb drive
6. in your xbox go to system settings => Memory => Hard drive. Press "Y" for Device Options and then last Clear System Cache
7. Start the game, it will ask you to download the lastest update. Accept it and now it is working online again
8. Every time you restart the game (meaning shut down the xbox or just go to the dashboard you have to repeat step 6
Could someone inhere please explain why it is working, cause i do not understand it.
But it is, i can even provide a video from my iphone if anyone needs proof.
my usb flash drive doesnt show up in horizon? it says 0 devices connected and I can't connect it for some reason, i followed the instructions...
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 18 2011, 11:10 PM)
The video in the link shows Xk3y team playing all new XGD3 games, logged into Xbox Live Gold. Can you do that with rgh, Jtag or CFW as of Nov 18 '11?
No I'm not a spokesperson. Just got tired of constant reflashing, fw updating, and having to buy a new burner was the thing that did it for me. It just got too much.
Not bashing C4eva, the guy is clearly a genious, it's just me that got tired of the constant hassle.
Ok, forget everything that is going on. I'm a potential xk3y buyer but I want to know one thing, Is the xk3y safe for xbox live? No flags? And i'm being serious. I mean you can log in to live with a jtag just a matter of getting console banned. You can DO a lot of things to play, just would appear nothing is safe on live for now.
QUOTE(Arturopol @ Nov 18 2011, 11:22 PM)
my usb flash drive doesnt show up in horizon? it says 0 devices connected and I can't connect it for some reason, i followed the instructions...
Did you format it with the 360 and not the PC?
Post by: Arturopol on November 18, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 18 2011, 05:27 PM)
Did you format it with the 360 and not the PC?
thanks, i was formatting it with the PC i just formatted it with 360 and works thanks!
QUOTE(Arturopol @ Nov 18 2011, 05:32 PM)
thanks, i was formatting it with the PC i just formatted it with 360 and works thanks!
well this trcik doesnt work for me, "Usupported Disk shows up again"
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Arturopol @ Nov 18 2011, 11:42 PM)
thanks, i was formatting it with the PC i just formatted it with 360 and works thanks!
well this trcik doesnt work for me, "Usupported Disk shows up again"
What game and what exactly did you do?
Post by: ra2shadow on November 18, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 18 2011, 11:26 PM)
rather than going through all this trouble you should just pay the $$ for the warranty on the disks from Best Buy. I think it is like $3 then you can give the kids all the originals that you have that don't really exist.
Yeah no games....want a picture of the kids....4th time this has been said to me, had to re-upload picture as I dont remember where else I uploaded it to pfft
UK doesn't have BB
Post by: Unregistered007 on November 18, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 18 2011, 06:26 PM)
rather than going through all this trouble you should just pay the $$ for the warranty on the disks from Best Buy. I think it is like $3 then you can give the kids all the originals that you have that don't really exist.
Come on dude, he is bullshitting.
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 18, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: Rileq on November 18, 2011, 05:10:00 PM
Is information on past disks played offline stored in the system as well? I've never played a backup online, but I have run Netflix.
Now I have a failed AP25 challenge.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 18, 2011, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 19 2011, 01:07 AM)
I def don't have stock in verbatim and I have wasted so many disc lately compared to none on your xk3y so congrats to you on that.. however, a BAN is a BAN. Be it CFW or Xk3y outcome will be the same if banned from live so I just get tired of people bragging they are on live with their xk3y when their own website says Live Support coming soon yet you all are on live. Atleast with the CFW it took a slipped in update to unravel it, so how can you say the firmware wasn't safe until the update.. That's my point, and if you can't understand that, whatever.
Yeah, being on live is really a gamble. I'm not saying Xk3y is safe. And probably never will be, I don't think Xk3y team will ever go from "xbox live support coming soon" to "Xbox Live safe".
Post by: HotKnife420 on November 18, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 18 2011, 11:47 PM)
And I wouldn't worry too much about being banned because of AP25/AP26 failures. MS has had a year with this and so far there has been no ban wave. MS is probably focusing on stopping piracy instead of banning paying Live customers.
I wouldn't put too much stock in it due to length of time - People were playing backups for over a year before the first banwave hit; MS is notorius for letting banned users be surprised by their actions.
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 19 2011, 12:07 AM)
For some reason Battlefield has continued to work through all this even though it's XGD3.
Perhaps BF3 is working because they charge you to play onlnie anyway.
QUOTE(Darkflame @ Nov 19 2011, 12:38 AM)
I think it all boils down to this.
You run CFW, you risk getting banned, You run xk3y, you risk getting banned.
Exactly. While we do take measures to avoid a ban, we've known since the first banwave that MS will do whatever they can to stop you from playing backups.
Post by: digipimp75 on November 18, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkflame @ Nov 18 2011, 06:38 PM)
That's like screwing a chick with aids with a rubber, and screwing a chick with aids without one. If you don't want to risk getting aids how about NOT screwing the chick with aids to begin with?
Yes that IS an option.Interesting analogy! LOL
Post by: danthaman673 on November 18, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: col12 on November 18, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: rwcottrell on November 18, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(ra2shadow @ Nov 18 2011, 05:52 PM)
Yeah no games....want a picture of the kids....4th time this has been said to me, had to re-upload picture as I dont remember where else I uploaded it to pfft
UK doesn't have BB
bloody hell how many games do you have lol. my take on this situation is this.c4eva will have a solution to this he always has and always will however what he sucks at for some reason is giving people faith in the future even though he always comes on top.if the next time something like this pops up ifc4 would come out and definitevely say im working on this crap and ill have it defeated in no time f u microsoft i own you instead of a 1 line sentence-its being worked on this thread wouldnt be 25 pages.what would be 25 pages if he said that is the c4 is an arrogant dbag thread,so this guy cant win no matter what he does.i own an xkey and use cfw both have pros and cons people.and thats my take on everything.
Post by: DodgeM4s on November 18, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 19 2011, 06:26 AM)
I want to see this picture with a current days newspaper and the scene it game next to the newspaper
Not sure if serious.
Post by: Mummyman on November 18, 2011, 11:06:00 PM
If you google "xbox 360 collection of games" and search images, "your" image is the 4th picture.
If you follow the picture, it was actually posted in Jan. 2010 by a guy in Milwaukee. Thread can be found here, image is about 3/4 down the page...
Real picture thread...
What's your story now? Did that guy somehow steal your picture 2 years ago? Or is that user actually you, but you accidently put Milwaukee instead of the UK in your location? Geez what a moron...
Post by: Aldanga on November 18, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
The piracy accusations stop here. Any more of this BS and I'm giving out warnings and vacations.
Post by: Paperstack.1 on November 19, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: echto on November 19, 2011, 02:23:00 AM
This is a BIG ISSUE! Lawyers, time for a hay-day!
Post by: Smok3y666 on November 19, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Kapz786 @ Nov 19 2011, 08:05 AM)
Silly question but just wanted to check once they eventually ban modded consoles its only the console that gets banned right and not the gamertag?
Just wanted to make sure
Yes, i've recovered my gamertag from a banned console before and am using it on a new, unmodded console.
Post by: djbastard on November 19, 2011, 05:19:00 AM
Yesterday morning i was still playing AC:R while connected to live so it got silently updated. In the afternoon i read the bad news about the new DAE file, when i came home i unplugged the network cable and removed the disc from my console by pressing the eject button while it was still off (powers up the xbox and ejects straight away).
Then i checked xval and it said i wasn't flagged. Then i made a multi backup of my nand with NAND-X.
Just popped in AC:R and got the unsupported disc message and my system got flagged.
I've put the nand backup back that i made yesterday and the flag is gone
.Now i downloaded the update of xbuc and put it on a testing memorycard.
The game boots fine and nothing is flagged in the last hour after repeatedly powering off, powering on, booting game, removing and reinserting disc etc..
And offcourse i was not connected to live while doing this..
So this may indeed be a temporary OFFLINE solution.
edit reason: mentioned AC:R and AC:B, must be AC:R
Post by: ruciz on November 19, 2011, 07:32:00 AM
was CB unaffected, or are we completely back to the drawing board?
guess we gotta wait for that fall dash to find out
Post by: ThroneTm on November 19, 2011, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 07:45:00 AM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 19 2011, 03:36 PM)
NFS: The Run still not working for me after doing the Horizon method
Make sure you used the NTSC and not the PAL, both are available.
Post by: djbastard on November 19, 2011, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 19 2011, 02:36 PM)
NFS: The Run still not working for me after doing the Horizon method
Did you clear your cache of the hdd or used a different storage device beforehand?
Als there are 2 different TU files, PAL and NTSC/U.
And there are 3 versions floating around the net if you didn't rip your own version. PAL, NTSC/U, NTSC/J.
Could also be that it is not working for that title...
Post by: ThroneTm on November 19, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
Yes Dj I cleared the clache also.
Would need a PAL player to test it on their Xbox to get a working confirmation.
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 19 2011, 04:25 PM)
I made sure I was using the PAL version, I've done it twice, no joy. Got Saints Row 3 working though :/
Yes Dj I cleared the clache also.
Would need a PAL player to test it on their Xbox to get a working confirmation.
Yea, thats the problem here. Can only confirm the NTSC working, sorry.
Post by: Dangoh on November 19, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: ThroneTm on November 19, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
So are people actually going back online using the Horizon method?
Post by: jaroc on November 19, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 19 2011, 10:25 AM)
I made sure I was using the PAL version, I've done it twice, no joy. Got Saints Row 3 working though :/
Yes Dj I cleared the clache also.
Would need a PAL player to test it on their Xbox to get a working confirmation.
Yes Dj I cleared the clache also.
Would need a PAL player to test it on their Xbox to get a working confirmation.
I had to unplug my storage device, try that
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 10:56:00 AM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 19 2011, 06:46 PM)
That's ok
So are people actually going back online using the Horizon method?
Yes. Recommend, No. I mean really, we're flagged. You can keep it offline a year and plug it in and online and be banned instantly. I would be more concerned with them slipping something else in that fixes this "loophole". BUT, if you clear cache after you return to the dashboard I don't see how it could execute and you'd still be ok. All that will change once the fall update launches because a fix can be included in it. Probably safer now than later, go get you some XP
Post by: ThroneTm on November 19, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
QUOTE(jaroc @ Nov 19 2011, 05:51 PM)
I had to unplug my storage device, try that
I need a PAL player to test, I guess your using NTSC.
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 19 2011, 05:56 PM)
Yes. Recommend, No. I mean really, we're flagged. You can keep it offline a year and plug it in and online and be banned instantly. I would be more concerned with them slipping something else in that fixes this "loophole". BUT, if you clear cache after you return to the dashboard I don't see how it could execute and you'd still be ok. All that will change once the fall update launches because a fix can be included in it. Probably safer now than later, go get you some XP
Hmmm, well I am flagged and your right maybe I should just go on and get some more XP on MW3
Post by: jaroc on November 19, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
For me, even on my JTAG the games won't boot if my flash drive is plugged in, once I unplug it they work fine.
Post by: ThroneTm on November 19, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
QUOTE(jaroc @ Nov 19 2011, 10:07 PM)
Why would it matter if you're PAL or NTSC? Just unplug your storage device and see if it works.
For me, even on my JTAG the games won't boot if my flash drive is plugged in, once I unplug it they work fine.
This is the whole reason people are using external storage devices....................................... To get the games booting.
I couldn't boot ANY AP25/XGD3 game until I found the Horizon method (Which requires a storage device)
Post by: milamber on November 19, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 20 2011, 12:36 AM)
NFS: The Run still not working for me after doing the Horizon method
QUOTE(r1tony @ Nov 20 2011, 12:45 AM)
Maybe a good thing.. game blows hard.
LOL
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on November 19, 2011, 08:39:00 PM
QUOTE
We just had a development meeting with C4E and he dropped a bombshell. Thanks to the recent silent DAE update he has been able to discover how to hit DAE/AP25 with the Silver Bullet and has developed iXtreme LT 3.0 which defeats DAE/AP2.5 reliance COMPLETELY.
A new FW and a new version of XBC will be released to get you up and running again in no time.
We can also confirm that C4E has finished the Hitachi LT 2.0 fw (not affected by DAE/AP25) and will be releasing that as soon as its gone through final testing.
You heard it here first
A new FW and a new version of XBC will be released to get you up and running again in no time.
We can also confirm that C4E has finished the Hitachi LT 2.0 fw (not affected by DAE/AP25) and will be releasing that as soon as its gone through final testing.
You heard it here first
http://team-xecuter.com/
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 19, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Nov 20 2011, 04:39 AM)
The man is a beast!!! So they decide to try something different this time with the silent update and it gives him what he's been looking for?? I swear this all makes for a good story!!
Post by: prophetxxx on November 19, 2011, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: prophetxxx on November 20, 2011, 12:55:00 AM
Post by: jaki_kisur on November 20, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: prophetxxx on November 20, 2011, 01:10:00 AM
Post by: ThroneTm on November 20, 2011, 06:25:00 AM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 20 2011, 02:12 AM)
Looky looky. There is a new NFS The Run PAL TU for download. Try it out and let us know! And its not that bad!
Ok I can confirm NFS: The Run is working using the new Need for Speed The Run TU PAL download dated 19/11/11
Thanks to Prophet for pointing out that the new one had been released.
Post by: TheGlow on November 20, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
I haven't been online since Wednesday night so from the eta's thrown around, I'm most likely safe.
Don't care about live as my gold expired last week anyway.
Post by: ThroneTm on November 20, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(TheGlow @ Nov 20 2011, 03:08 PM)
Anyway to check if you have the new dae.bin?
I haven't been online since Wednesday night so from the eta's thrown around, I'm most likely safe.
Don't care about live as my gold expired last week anyway.
Run an Xval and see if you can boot AP25/XGD3 games.
Post by: spyder dogg on November 20, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(prophetxxx @ Nov 20 2011, 03:10 AM)
thats fine and dandy but why the hell doesnt mine work
did u clear all caches on your xbox ?
Post by: QuVat on November 20, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: TheGlow on November 20, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(ThroneTm @ Nov 20 2011, 11:56 AM)
Run an Xval and see if you can boot AP25/XGD3 games.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if I did have the new dae.bin, wouldn't running one of those games flag me?
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 20, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(TheGlow @ Nov 20 2011, 02:00 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong but if I did have the new dae.bin, wouldn't running one of those games flag me?
Correct.
Post by: Coolenpee on November 21, 2011, 03:07:00 AM
These are retail and so no problems.
This weekend I decided to test my offline one but I use same HDD so I probably took the DAE with it?
It recognizes all disks but when trying to install to HDD it stops after X % giving an error on disk.
Same when playing, they start but after some time I get error.
Is this another problem than the DAE.bin as I do NOT get unsupported disk?
Anyway if I take a XDG3 game that was installed in the past, it works without a problem.
I tied the horizon method for all games but still no go for not installed ones. Maybe bad copies but tried on third console and there they install ...
Thanks for thoughts /solutions and otherwise we will wait 4 LT3.0
Post by: TheGlow on November 21, 2011, 05:46:00 AM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 20 2011, 03:23 PM)
Correct.
I'll stick to the retail skyrim then for now.
Post by: Quinton Rampage Jackson on November 21, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
Or do you have to do that anyway?
Post by: Quinton Rampage Jackson on November 21, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Has anyone else tried it yet though?
I did it with NBA 2k12 but I removed my hard drive and only had my flash drive with my profile plugged in.
I didn't want to try it with another game and my hard drive, in the event that I got lucky the first time.
If anyone tries, I'm sure there would be a few people anxious to hear your results.
Thanks
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 22, 2011, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: RRoD420 on November 22, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
Liteon 9xxx series phat
STOCK FIRMWARE
MW3 purchased disc from Gamestop
I'm experienced, I have a problem. I have 2 consoles, a jtag and a live console. My live console has stock f/w and I bought mw3 at gamestop. Ever since the dae.bin change i have random dirty disc errors. Before i looked deeper into the problem I went and bought a brand new laser hop114xx (whatever it is) for the liteon, same issue. I can ACTUALLY see the game continuing to play behind the message "Disc unreadable or dirty" or something like that. So now I know it's not the dvd drive, it's NEW! and the game is still playing! Again, the game is purchased! why is this happening? Is it worth it to call m$ and complain?? or am I going to get a generic answer? btw, i'm extremely experienced this is definitely not a hardware problem. I don't want to mess with that TU team-xecuter posted, I want to avoid use anything modified on this system hardware and software. Do some phat consoles have problems reading the new xgd3?? This disc was tested on 2 other consoles extensively, with NO problems. This is only happening on my console! I really believe they screwed up with this new dae/ap2.56789 shit, i'm pissed now at the company I spend a lot of money for this stuff for it to NOT work right and me have no control over it is extremely frustrating
Anything on my jtag i'll take full responsibility for
Anyone?
Post by: prophetxxx on December 02, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: flip2000b on December 02, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
http://digiex.net/do...e-download.html