Post by: skindogg on January 01, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
The newer ones came from Sams Club 50pk, and BB 20pk. The older ones also came from BB but have the older label style. All of 'em MIS.
I used a samsung SH-S183 SATA burner and all are kreon rips.
So i'm wondering if even though the newer 2.4x verb packages say MIS, are they really? Or should we stick with 8x discs?
EDIT:pic attached. older label on left, newer on right.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10145113@N07/...photo3156981631
This post has been edited by skindogg: Jan 2 2009, 12:37 AM
Post by: Min on January 01, 2009, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: gotloveforall on January 02, 2009, 12:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Min @ Jan 2 2009, 12:36 AM) 
Only difference I've noticed between the older ones and the newer ones are the newer ones burn great at x4 for me , but not so great at 2.4. Burnt at 2.4 my samsung clicks three times before spinning them up , at x4 it doesn't. Also newer ones at 2.4 just give open tray on my hitachi machine , but no probs at x4.
Interesting...
I burned all my backups on the new MIS 2.4x(20pk) and they all work fine in my brand new Lite-On 360. Even my friends work too no problems.
We all got the 360 for each otherfor Christmas to finally get the LIVE experience.
Our 5 player LAN parties kick @ss!
*except for my one friend who uses his 20" 16:10.On another Note, will check to see if Sam's Club in Vaughan Canada has them 50pks.
Post by: skindogg on January 02, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
I've also ordered a pioneer 216d since it's cheaper than chucking a $60 spindle of blanks, hopefully.
Post by: skindogg on January 02, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
EDIT: I also just noticed the labels on the discs themselves are different. Older on the left, newer on the right.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10145113@N07/3159446253/
This post has been edited by skindogg: Jan 2 2009, 06:31 PM
Post by: gotloveforall on January 02, 2009, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(skindogg @ Jan 2 2009, 12:51 PM)
no joy at 4x either on the new ones. well the 50pks from sam's are out for me unless the pioneer works for them. lesson learned, don't buy in bulk until you've tried a sample.
EDIT: I also just noticed the labels on the discs themselves are different. Older on the left, newer on the right.
http://www.flickr.co...N07/3159446253/
Well, I'm using the new 2.4x and 2x or 2.4x burn speed works just fine. No coasters as of yet.
And I've backed up over 20 of my games so far.
Post by: squig on January 03, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
used with verbatim dvd+r rated 8x. Works well with my liteon. I read in a review that this burner (samsung sh-s183l) has problems writing to dvd+r dl :/
Post by: DWells55 on January 03, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
I hear the discs in the individual jewel cases are still made in Singapore. The good news is that the discs I've been using have been reading in both modded drives I have, although on one system some games don't read as well (noticeable texture pop) as originals. Haven't tried them on the other system, so my Hitachi's laser might just be mediocre.
This post has been edited by DWells55: Jan 3 2009, 08:04 PM
Post by: squig on January 03, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
spindle says made in india and jewel case say made in singapore. May just be my imagineation but im pretty sure the jewldisc turned out better than my spindle. Installing to hd tho so it shouldnt effect the laser much,. still annoying tho since they cost me alot compared to other brands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
This post has been edited by squig: Jan 3 2009, 09:04 PM
Post by: skindogg on January 03, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
Thx for all the suggestions everyone. I'll update when the pioneer 216d comes in next week, but i have my doubts.
EDIT:yeah squiq I would install to the HD but it always craps out and tells me to clean the disc on these newer blanks.
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Post by: skindogg on January 06, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: lilpaul on January 15, 2009, 02:18:00 AM
Post by: MastaFlyMason on January 15, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Go here:
http://www.samsung.c...p;menu=download
for the newest firmware, install it, and report back. I have the same DVD drive, it seems to be a very popular choice of computer builders. My disks burnt fine with my Sony, but not so great with my Samsung. This may very well be the problem.
Let me know how it works out,
MastaFlyMason
Post by: skindogg on January 15, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
QUOTE(lilpaul @ Jan 15 2009, 04:54 AM)
skindogg what speed you burnin at?
2.4x in imgburn
MastaFlyMason: Actually I did upgrade the firmware in the samsung but it made no difference with the newer verbs. Pioneer 216d solved it though. It likes the older and newer MIS verbs.
Post by: MastaFlyMason on January 15, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on January 16, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(skindogg @ Jan 16 2009, 12:03 PM)
Honestly I think the 50pks are all actually made in India since they are 2.4x rated since Singapore is making the newer, higher speed blanks, but that's just my theory.
based on what ^^ , why is it impossible to have production in two places?
A theory must have at least some supporting fact
, sorry but this mostly sound like a baseless shot. Unless some real info came out on this. It would be nice to have it.Why would Mitsubishi , who honestlyy indicated early its move of some of the production to india, now lie about this?? Their 2.4 media (MKM001) are indecently underrated (at 2.4x) in terms of specs, people have been buning them at 4x, 6 x even 8x with incredible results.
Even their MII media are way better than other manufacturer, in fact their only issue is not being as consistent as the MIS, but even in that category the predictability of a MII is still better than any other Ritek, Ricoh... by an order of magnitude. They are the only brand that wroks for 99.9% of the setup, with others you may get lucky or not.
If I missed some info, sorry about that, but if not this is the type of comment that starts endless rumors.
Here is scan of Burn on MII and MIS respectively, any who know how to read this will tell you it is pretty good
and finally a compare to a Ritek
BTW not saying that other brand will not work , just that statistically you increase your chance greatly.
soso
Post by: woody21_1 on January 16, 2009, 01:38:00 PM
the ritek on the other hand is not so great, i wouldnt be happy with them.
soso, have you had good success with mii media, i havent tried it yet as i have always been able to find mis..
for me 4x and 6x appear to read better than 2.4x writes, yet to try 8x... i use the 8x printable mis with a 115d writer...
im gonna burn one at 8x just for the fun of it, if it works well i might try 10x as the choice is offered... unfortunately my scanning drive died a while ago.
Post by: sosotiit on January 16, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
MIS 2.4x (MKM001) have been extremely good to me except one batch about a year ago that was about at the same level as the MII.
MII have been good to be honest, but not as exceptional as the MIS ( I write at 4x or more BTW).
The PIF is usually a little higher with some peak at 3 (vs 2 for MIS) but all in all good. The TRT (transfer rate test) is clean for both.
Still much better, predictable and compatible to almost any setup of burner/pc/reader than any other brand.
Since I love that techy stuff I always search to find MIS so I rarely use MII, and now that MKM003 are cheap (FShop in canada have quite often the 15 pck on sale for 20$ ) I will use only that
It is also important to note that with the Play from HD, all this takes less importance now. You can do the transfer using your original and use the BUp for the boot. very little is read from the disk itself!!!
soso
Post by: skindogg on January 20, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jan 16 2009, 03:31 PM)
based on what ^^ , why is it impossible to have production in two places?
A theory must have at least some supporting fact
, sorry but this mostly sound like a baseless shot. Unless some real info came out on this. It would be nice to have it.You're right soso, it was a theory based on observation on my small sample size and the compatibility of my older burner with the discs. I'm sorry.
At the time, it just seemed to me that singapore was putting out the high-end, small pack 8x discs and india was putting out lower-end, lower speed, big packs of discs. It was a theory of observation based on packaging as well.
I've never tried anything other than verbs, I'll have to give the mitshubishis a shot if I can find some cheap. Thanks soso!