Post by: sosotiit on May 23, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
Tutorial On Making Backup With Xbc / Imgburn
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Backup and media stealth (DMI, PFI, Video partition) and how to check: After you extracted your image with XBCreator or Schtrom, you can check the stealth with XdvdMulleter
- How to test a burned DVD in post #2 below: If some of the components are missing or in the event that you are unsure how you built that backup, we suggest to redo it from the original with a samsung drive**/Kreon drive.
- Using Wxripper and a hitachi drive: Not recommended anymore. It seems the SS extracted with Hitachi drive should not be used because easier to detect. For those who want to prepare for the day the Hitachi FW supports media stealth, you should till extract your backups with a Samsung**/Kreon Drive using XBCreator/Schtrom. You would then be able to do a "Complete backup" so no point in extracting separate pieces and merging.
WHAT NOT TO ASK at XS - How to extract an image from a backup: NO image extraction from a backup. We do not care what the cute reason is, we heard them all and it is no.
- How to merge additional stealth components in an existing image. Redo them from the originals.
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**The lastest iXtreme Samsung FW will not allow you to rip (extract) games with any software (XBCreator, schtrom, IsoBuster...). You will need to reflash to 5.3 or acquire a Sh-D162C(ide)/SH-D163A(sata) for your PC in order to backup games.
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Dec 22 2008, 04:07 AM
Post by: sosotiit on May 23, 2007, 03:02:00 PM
Only you know how you prepared your backups, and if you always used the proper components. In doubt, we strongly suggest you redo your backup using XBCreator (or Schtrom) and a samsung/kreon drive. Obviously if any components are missing you should redo it as well.
*** EDIT NOTE***
Badsheepy issued a new version of XDVDMulleter which introduced many new features and a few corrections. At this point that seems like the easiest method to verify your burned DVD for stealth. See post below for how to use it.
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Updated version to come
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 4 2007, 02:37 PM
Post by: mace1337 on May 25, 2007, 03:20:00 AM
For this tutorial you will need:
-XDVDMulleter, currently version 9 (referred to as XDVDM from now on)
-A xbox backup
-A computer with a DVD drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
NOTE: As above, you can only verify the presence of the Video, SS, PFI, DMI and other factors required for stealth.
The validity of these can only be verified against the original, as always, when in doubt. re-rip it.
Also: This does NOT guarantee that microsoft is not able to see if you are running backups or not, it is simply an extra check for your own peace of mind.
I've verified results against the method described above and they give the same results.
Now let us begin.
Step 1
Here you can see the main screen of XDVDM, you can see a few options, the one we need is the top one.
Select that and click next.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_07_05/00_48_15_image1.jpg)
Step 2
If you haven't already, insert your backup into your DVD drive. Remember what drive letter the DVD drive has.
-Click on the "Load from DVDR" tab (if you have just done a rip and want to validate the file do "Load from File")
-Select your drive's letter with the drop-down box
-Now click "Load Disc"
-Loading takes a short while, don't worry. It will eventually say ISO loaded successfully*
-When it's done and the next button is active, click the next button for the stealth analysis to start
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_07_05/00_48_38_image2.jpg)
* if it does not load successfully the first time you press "Load Disk", it sometimes require a second "Load Disk" request to function properly.
Final step
If there are any stealth issues, then you will be prompted during the analysis.
In the final screen you can see all sorts of handy information, like game region, number of files etc...
The thing we're interested in is the "Xtreme Compatibility" and "ISO Type".
The top left checkboxes under "Xtreme Compatibility" tell you which elements of the backup is stealthed or not.
The bottom radiobuttons and checkbox tell you about compatability with the xtreme firmware.
Important is the "iXtreme Compatible" checkbox, it needs to be checked.
The ISO type needs to match with your game,xbox360 for 360 games and xbox for xbox game.
Below are two images I made of 2 games.
This is a backup, one I made "back in the day" of one that has DMI or PFI present but improper video files.
You can clearly see the checkbox that is unchecked. This backup is considered UNSAFE.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_07_05/00_48_58_image3.jpg)
This is a backup which I made later on, and it has all the stealth sectors present, this backup is theoretically safe,
but with all the recent bannings no-one can be sure. This method is purely for your own peace of mind.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_07_05/00_49_17_image4.jpg)
validating a redone image
For all the backup that are not adequate and must be redone from the original, you can verify the image before burning it by selecting "Load from File" instead of "Load from DVDR" in Step 2 adn then following the same step as above.
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Updated on july 4th by sosotiit with permission of mace1337
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 5 2007, 04:58 PM
Post by: sosotiit on May 25, 2007, 06:08:00 AM
great job on the tut (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
-------------------the old & long way to check (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ----------
Following is how to verify that each component is present on your backup DVD. The DMI/PFI part is adapted from information published by FuzzyLogic for at xboxhacker.net , all credits to him.
Samsung(fw 5.3 or before) /Kreon SS only
Another key point, it seems that SS extracted with Hitachi drive may be detectable and backup made with such ss files will not boot under the new firmwares. You will therefore need SS extracted with either a Samsung ms25/ms28 or a Kreon fw drive (SH-D162C/SH-D163A).
There is no way to test this, but you should know how you have made your backups. Note that the new firmwares will prevent you to boot from a SS extracted on a Hitachi Drive so that will tell you.
Until then we suggest you do not use backups if you are unsure the SS were made with Samsung/Kreon Drive
Video partition
Insert your backup in your PC DVD drive and if you click on that specific drive in Explorer you should see something like this.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_05_23/23_37_02_video.jpg)
If you cannot see that structure Audio_TS/Video_TS directory with similar files, then you do not have a valid video partition on you backup. Note that the file may vary in size (the two larger files should be typically in the 2000 to 4000KB). There is sometimes 1 or 2 additional files.
If you do not have a structure like that, or that there is no files in it then you do not have a valid partition and should redo your backup from the orginal.
Note that the label (in this case XBOX360) can vary.
For a more advanced validation, you can extract your video partition with XBCreator from your original. It requires ripping the entire image and extracting the video section (in Image Tools) The resulting file is in .bin format and can be mounted with Alcohol or daemon tools, and you can then confirm that you see the same files and label. In my case this is what I have
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_05_24/01_01_45_video2.jpg)
Backup done with XBCr (or Schtrom) and a Samsung/Kreon drive using the Complete backup methods, that section should present.
Physical Format Information
The PFI is relatively generic and only a few games have minor differences in it.
You can view the PFI info on your backup using DVDInfoPro: put the bakup in, select the proper drive, in the right-bottom corner choose Read blocks from media and enter 1FB1D and hit Read.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_05_24/01_15_40_dvdip1.jpg)
You will get the info currently at the PFI position displayed.
The first line (line 00000000) should contain some data and all the rest should be 00
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_05_24/01_19_15_dvdip2.jpg)
If the entire file is filled with zero, or not as per the pattern above, we suggest you redo your backup.
For a more advanced validation, you can extract your PFI with XBCreator from your original. The resulting file is in .bin format and can be open with an Hex editor allowing to compare to what your backup contains.
Backup done with XBCr (or Schtrom) and a Samsung/Kreon drive using the Complete backup methods, that section should present.
Disc Manufacturing Information
The DMI has significant differences from one game to the next.
You can view the DMI info on your backup using DVDInfoPro: put the bakup in, select the proper drive, in the right-bottom corner choose Read blocks from media and enter 1FB1E and hit Read.
You will get the info currently at the DMI position displayed.
The first 4 and the last 29 lines (lines 00000000 to 00000030 and lines 00000630 to 000007F0) should contain some data and all the rest should be 00.
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_05_24/01_34_24_dvdip3.jpg)
If the entire file is filled with zero, or not as per the pattern above, we suggest you redo your backup.
For a more advanced validation, you can extract your DMI with XBCreator from your original. The resulting file is in .bin format and can be open with an Hex editor allowing to compare to what your backup contains.
Backup done with XBCr (or Schtrom) and a Samsung/Kreon drive using the Complete backup methods, that section should present.
If you have more information, comments or suggestions, plse post them (while respecting the XS posting rules and the one in the first post above)
Hope it helps,
thks, -soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 4 2007, 10:11 PM
Post by: badsheepy on May 27, 2007, 03:49:00 AM
It actually never occured to me to have it test the data in the video partition until someone mentioned it, because generally i just put the disc in and see if windows bugs me with the 'do you want to play this dvd' dialog.
So whilst there is a video checkbox in xdvdmulleter atm, it checks for the presence of a video partition, not for the presence of video files. If you want to check the video files, pop it in the drive/mount it and see if there is files on it
Oh and Xdvdmulleter, and xbox backup creator i think, both check the content of ss/pfi files also in an attempt to validate them. So you can be pretty sure if the files are marked there that they are there and genuine stealth files. (Although a perfectly valid set of stealth files for a different game will pass the test too, but obviously not contain the same data)
And people who are considering rebuilding their ISOs, it may well be worth waiting a little longer for new releases of xbc etc which will have support for split video files. (Although non split video isos will still supposedly be supported in ixtreme fw, and perhaps indetectable?) Or at least for the next fw and a bit more information
Post by: sosotiit on May 27, 2007, 06:54:00 AM
Currently the video partition in original is split between the two layers, whereas current backups with XBC (and schtrom) where all made with the entire video partition on the first layer.
It seems that according to C4Eva this is not a big issue and that there might be a feature in the new fw that will compensate for that in the new FW.
Xbcreator can do a backup as per the splitvideo format with an entry in the register. But just after your post (
it is always like that), Redline issued a warning at Xboxhacker that a conflict between the splitvid and the new C4Eve Ixtreme firmware was identified and that people should stick to current XBC format with stealth.It seems for all of you avid of hacking, some challenging times and your SH-d162c/burner will see some actions.
Another key point, it seems that SS extracted with Hitachi drive may be detectable and backup made with such ss files will not boot under the new firmware
QUOTE( Conclusion & Recommendations, May 27th 2007 @ 9am)
X360 with Samsung Drive
- Your backups already have all stealth components (DMI, PFI, Video, samsung/Kreon SS)
- Keep them like that until the situation with splitvid is clarified
Your backups DO NOT have all stealth components - For all those you want to play offline now, you should redo them with all components (DMI, PFI, Video, samsung/Kreon SS)
- You may have to redo them when the situation with splitvid is clarified
- Wait for the new firmware before playing any backups (even with stealth backup) as the current FW do not use the stealth components.
It will be interesting time
-soso
Post by: MPA on May 27, 2007, 01:48:00 PM
Noticed the XDVDMulleter sometimes gives inaccurate responses concerning video patched backups.
I was wondering if video patching is the least important of the security issues. I understand it is highly recommended backups have all procedures in place but was wondering if the pfi and dmi sectors where of more importance than the video?
Post by: sosotiit on May 27, 2007, 02:22:00 PM
It is not difficult to check put it in you pc and check if the video_TS directory has files as described above, no need of any soft for that.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 27 2007, 09:23 PM
Post by: lukebe on May 27, 2007, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: Pinion on May 27, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on May 28, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Pinion @ May 28 2007, 12:39 AM) 
What should be done about older backups with the fake video partitions? Is it necessary to inject the actual video360.iso with schtrom or are they ok with the padded/false video partition?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) In the pinned, even in the first post of this thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) , REDO from originals
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- How to extract an image from a backup: NO image extraction from a backup. We do not care what the cute reason is, we heard them all and it is no.
- How to merge additional stealth components in an existing image. Redo them from the originals.
WHAT NOT TO ASK at XS
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 28 2007, 03:46 PM
Post by: sosotiit on May 28, 2007, 10:20:00 AM
Currently the video partition in original is split between the two layers, whereas current backups with XBC (and schtrom) where all made with the entire video partition on the first layer.
According to C4Eva this am, the new fw that will compensate for that.
Xbcreator can do a backup as per the splitvideo format, but it is not recommended at this point.
It seems for all of you avid of hacking, some challenging times and your SH-d162c/burner will see some actions.
Another key point, it seems that SS extracted with Hitachi drive may be detectable and backup made with such ss files will not boot under the new firmware
QUOTE( Conclusion & Recommendations, May 28th 2007 @ 1pm)
X360 with Samsung Drive
- Your backups already have all stealth components (DMI, PFI, Video, samsung/Kreon SS)
- Keep them like that. if ever the need for splitvid becomes clear we will post it.
Your backups DO NOT have all stealth components - For all those you want to play offline now, you should redo them with all components (DMI, PFI, Video, samsung/Kreon SS)
- You may have to redo them if ever splitvid becomes a requirement.
- Wait for the new firmware before playing any backups (even with stealth backup) as the current FW do not use the stealth components. Note that you will need SS made with a samsung or Kreon drive.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 28 2007, 05:29 PM
Post by: Graph on May 28, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
thanks
Post by: xnoelahg on May 28, 2007, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: Muzzakus on May 29, 2007, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(badsheepy @ May 27 2007, 09:49 AM)
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Oh and Xdvdmulleter, and xbox backup creator i think, both check the content of ss/pfi files also in an attempt to validate them. So you can be pretty sure if the files are marked there that they are there and genuine stealth files. (Although a perfectly valid set of stealth files for a different game will pass the test too, but obviously not contain the same data)
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I'm curious as to the actual purpose of the information the DMI, PFI contains, and why they may be different from one game to game. And as you mention - what if you have some kind of a Frankenbuild..E.g. an old image patched with these sectors from another game?
Can this result in a valid stealth check - yet detectable by M$ as something fishy ?
Cheers,
Muz
Post by: Chancer on May 29, 2007, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ May 29 2007, 08:59 AM) 
I'm curious as to the actual purpose of the information the DMI, PFI contains, and why they may be different from one game to game. And as you mention - what if you have some kind of a Frankenbuild..E.g. an old image patched with these sectors from another game?
Can this result in a valid stealth check - yet detectable by M$ as something fishy ?
Cheers,
Muz
# WHAT NOT TO ASK at XS
# How to extract an image from a backup: NO image extraction from a backup. We do not care what the cute reason is, we heard them all and it is no.
# How to merge additional stealth components in an existing image. Redo them from the originals.
Just a different way of getting info on the question not to ask in bold.
Don't ask.
QUOTE(Graph @ May 29 2007, 03:57 AM)
where can some one find (get)the pfi and dmi.bins of an specific game if they are missing when checked with xbc...
thanks
Definitely Don't ask
Post by: bebrewer1 on May 29, 2007, 10:48:00 AM
Crackdown - XDVDM shows that "PFI is present, but appears invalid" It does still show "stealth sectors present" as being checked but I guess I made a mistake somewhere.
NBA Street Homecourt - XDVDM shows "DMI is present, but appears invalid. Same as above on "stealth sectors present".
I know I just need to re-make the images but does anyone have an idea on what could have can cause those errors when extracting the image?
Post by: sosotiit on May 29, 2007, 10:51:00 AM
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 29 2007, 05:51 PM
Post by: lorosario on May 30, 2007, 09:29:00 PM
thanks
Post by: sosotiit on May 31, 2007, 07:02:00 AM
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 31 2007, 02:03 PM
Post by: jimbeam10 on May 31, 2007, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE(lorosario @ May 31 2007, 02:05 PM) 
in the latest xdvdmulleter beta 7 when I check a backup it never check video data present but if I check manually there are the folders. Also video partition present, security sector present, dmi/pfi present they all are checked. Xtreme compatible is not checked is this a bug?
thanks
There is a newer one that fixes that its xdvdmulleter beta 7 test 7
Post by: shadowth on May 31, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
When I try to run with ixtreme, it recognizes the disc, tries to boot it and gives me a dirty disc error! What else can I check with the backup to make sure it is ok?
Post by: sosotiit on May 31, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
-Drive /FW use for extraction
-software...
-merge method
Have you run SChtrom or XBCreator stealth check on the ISO?
are other backup running fine (not the first ???) on which media?
originals playing fine?
-soso
Post by: wolverinevseveryone on May 31, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on May 31, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
if they are already on dvd then mulleter (agreed^^ that you need version 7 test 7, not sure where to find it) or as per the tutorial you can use dvdinfopro.
Now I want to warn you that all these will tell you if there are components present (and in some case it they are valid). Only you know that you have made them from the originals and that all these component are from that game.
For example the dmi is very specific per game and if a DMI from another is used, then there is no way to know that this will not be identified at some point. Only backup your originals with the all components coming from the same original disc.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 31 2007, 09:44 PM
Post by: leeds1970 on June 01, 2007, 12:12:00 AM
QUOTE(mace1337 @ May 25 2007, 10:56 AM)
Tutorial: Verifying media stealth using XDVDMulleter
For this tutorial you will need:
-XDVDMulleter, I used beta 7 (referred to as XDVDM from now on)
-A xbox backup
-A computer with a DVD drive
NOTE: As aboce, you can only verify the presence of the Video, SS, PFI and DMI.
The validity of these sectors can only be verified against the original, as always, when in doubt. re-rip it.
Also: This does NOT guarantee that microsoft is not able to see if you are running backups or not, it is simply
an extra check for your own peace of mind.
I've verified results against the method described above and they give the same results.
Now let us begin.
Step 1
Here you can see the main screen of XDVDM, you can see a few options, the one we need is the top one.
Select that and click next.
Step 2
If you haven't already, insert your backup into your DVD drive. Remember what drive letter the DVD drive has.
Click on the "Load from DVDR" tab, and select your drive's letter with the drop-down box.
Step 3
My DVDROM drive is K:\ K for Kreon (It's coincidence
)Select yours from the list.
Step 4
Now click "Load Disc"
Step 5
Loading takes a short while, don't worry.
When it's done and the next button is active, click the next button.
Final step
In the final screen you can see all sorts of handy information, like game region, number of files etc...
The thing we're interested in is the "Xtreme Compatibility" and "ISO Type"
The top left three checkboxes under "Xtreme Compatibility" tell you if a backup is stealthed or not.
Video partition and Security sector basically speak for themselves, the other "Stealth Sectors" are the PFI and DMI sectors.
The Security sector needs to be present for a backup to work, but it is theoretically detectable by microsoft.
The video partition and DMI and PFI need to be present for a backup to be stealthed, in theory undetectable by microsoft.
The bottom radiobuttons and checkbox tell you about compatability with the xtreme firmware.
The ISO type needs to match with your game,xbox360 for 360 games and xbox for xbox game.
Also important is the "Xtreme Compatible" checkbox, it needs to be checked.
Below are two images I made of 2 games.
This is a backup of Oblivion, one I made "back in the day" and one that has no DMI or PFI present.
You can clearly see the checkbox that is unchecked. This backup is considered UNSAFE.
This is a backup of GoW which I made later on, and it has all the stealth sectors present, this backup is theoretically safe,
but with all the recent bannings no-one can be sure. This method is purely for your own peace of mind.
cheers m8 nice post many thx
Post by: Serj on June 01, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
My question is simple, even with the incorrect SS/PFI/DMI files, as long as it has the files, with iXtreme firmware, would they be able to tell the difference? and also, is there a way to verify that the SS/PFI/DMI files are correct for a particular game?
Thanks =)
EDIT: Forgot to mention, it passed the stealth checks of Xbox Backup Creator, DVDMulleter, and Schtrom360Xtract.
This post has been edited by Serj: Jun 2 2007, 06:06 AM
Post by: popballz on June 01, 2007, 11:20:00 PM
and if the backup is done correctly then are the stealth things(the pmi,and dmi) already in the image or do u have to put them in like the ss?(like extract them from the disk separately?
and will the pioneer 111d be able to check the disks with that dvd mutlinater program with out doing anything special?( like the paper clip?)
if these are bad questions to ask then i am sorry...it all pertains to originals
Post by: garyopa on June 02, 2007, 12:02:00 AM
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.
If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.
iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.
It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.
Another way to put this fact across, is to think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always
inspect your gear, and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know
how it should be packed, and make sure it is done right.
You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out of the plane.
You are asking for trouble, and certain death.
So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files.
And always always do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files,
grab yourself a compatible ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself,
and you will be fine on LIVE.
(EDIT: bad english & grammar, give me a break it is 3:30am in the morning)
This post has been edited by garyopa: Jun 2 2007, 07:57 AM
Post by: Lush on June 02, 2007, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: xnoelahg on June 02, 2007, 12:54:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 07:38 AM)
It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.
If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.
iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.
It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.
Anyway to put it is, think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always inspect your gear,
and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know how it should
be packed, and make sure it is do right. You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out
of the plane. You are asking for trouble, and certain deaf.
So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files, and always always
do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files, grab yourself a compatible
ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself, and you will be fine on LIVE.
But don't you need a samsung drive to grab the SS correctly?
Post by: garyopa on June 02, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ Jun 2 2007, 03:30 AM)
But don't you need a samsung drive to grab the SS correctly?
Currently yes, you need either an XBOX360 Samsung drive,
or one of the compatible Kreon's drives which are also Samsung.
The Hitachi F900 core is a little buggy and does not always return the correct SS.
The new iXtreme firmware will not boot the discs which have four missing bytes
starting at offset >200 (for 360 discs), or at >2D0 (for XBOX1 discs)
which were badly ripped containing all zero's instead of data from an Hitachi drive.
Maybe after all the new "iXtreme" firmwares are finished.
I will release a corrected ripping only firmware for use on a junked banned Hitachi drive.
Post by: Serj on June 02, 2007, 01:19:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 12:43 AM)
Currently yes, you need either an XBOX360 Samsung drive,
or one of the compatible Kreon's drives which are also Samsung.
The Hitachi F900 core is a little buggy and does not always return the correct SS.
The new iXtreme firmware will not boot the discs which have four missing bytes
starting at offset >200 (for 360 discs), or at >2D0 (for XBOX1 discs)
which were badly ripped containing all zero's instead of data from an Hitachi drive.
Maybe after all the new "iXtreme" firmwares are finished.
I will release a corrected ripping only firmware for use on a junked banned Hitachi drive.
I myself don't have a hitatchi drive, though my friend who travels quite frequently has one
which is why I was asking..
..and I'm thinking there's no way to completely verify a sector? whether it'd be SS, PFI, or DMI?
Post by: liqwidsky on June 02, 2007, 01:38:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 1 2007, 08:00 AM)
they are both good, and in fact there is a third model.
It just depends on the game, check which is on that original and use the same as your original.
In fact since you need a samsung(5.3 or prior) / Kreon then it is easier to do a "complete backup".
-soso
I would love to know the names of any games which have this third video partition, as I am well aware of the two wolfienuke described and by coincidence already replied to his post on xboxhacker, but I have never heard of or seen a third version. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Also I have been looking for some technical information on the so-called badly ripped hitachi ss. I am interested in knowing exactly what ixtreme looks for to determine valid ss. (the more detail the better)
Thanks
Post by: badsheepy on June 02, 2007, 02:18:00 AM
Firstly I would like to say for testing isos, please use
XDVDMulleter Download
until beta 8 is released. It is FAR better at detecting stealth, and detects things like the link between ss and xex, and between video and pfi.
(note to ops etc, theres nothing copywrited or illegal in that rar, please feel free to check (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE
Also I have been looking for some technical information on the so-called badly ripped hitachi ss. I am interested in knowing exactly what ixtreme looks for to determine valid ss. (the more detail the better)
The problem with the hitachi SS is truncated responses to (at least) challenges 5 and 7.
The original ss format can mostly be described on xbox hacker, and the one c4eva uses in his firmware is just that with the decrypted table shoved in it too (to the best of my knowledge anyhow)
Decrypted table appears to have its first entry at 0x661 in the SS file
9 bytes per challenge/response. Hitachi ss will most likely have the last 4 bytes of some challenges as all zeros.
Note: i have never actually had a hitachi SS file to verify this info, so any or all might be wrong. But its how i detect for it in xdvdmulleter, so if it IS wrong, please let me know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Wolfienuke: The correct video to be used can be worked out by looking at the PFI. 0x10 is the size of video on layer 0 before unlock (actually its a long int of the sector of the layer break starting at 0x0c, but the first logical sector on a dvd is hardcoded to 0x30000, and the number is just 0x30000 + size of layer 0 in blocks)
Anyhow, thats a terrible explaination and an unnecessary one.
If the 0x10 is 086f you need the 2724 block video file (2724*2048 = 5578752 bytes)
and if it is 0a8f then you need the 3519 block one (3519 * 2048 = 7206912 bytes)
Of course, if you ripped these video files using xbc or something, it will have ripped the ENTIRE video partition, even though the vast majority of it is padding (or security sectors on a retails disc)
If you want to see the actual size of the video files, mount the image in imgburn or something, or look at byte 0x8050, which should be the size of the video files in blocks.
Oh, and xdvdmulleter test checks the link between pfi and video, so for people who dont want to get all hex editory, you can just check it in that and if it complains about mismatched video, insert the other one. (only works on discs with a PFI)
Good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by badsheepy: Jun 2 2007, 09:19 AM
Post by: PacinoAllstars on June 02, 2007, 02:43:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 08:38 AM)
It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.
If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.
iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.
It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.
Another way to put this fact across, is to think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always
inspect your gear, and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know
how it should be packed, and make sure it is done right.
You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out of the plane.
You are asking for trouble, and certain death.
So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files.
And always always do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files,
grab yourself a compatible ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself,
and you will be fine on LIVE.
(EDIT: bad english & grammar, give me a break it is 3:30am in the morning)
And what if I want a correct Hitachi backup?
Am I also supposed to use a kreon drive?
I currently have a samsung, but I might buy another xbox in the future which could have a hitachi drive.
Post by: badsheepy on June 02, 2007, 02:51:00 AM
Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.
Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know
Post by: Serj on June 02, 2007, 03:46:00 AM
QUOTE(badsheepy @ Jun 2 2007, 02:27 AM)
I am mostly sure what you claim in the first post is a tad wrong.
Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.
Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know
test it yourself
I inserted sectors from 1 different game to another, and it booted. I'm not wasting more media to test this again, but you can if you want
Post by: garyopa on June 02, 2007, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(badsheepy @ Jun 2 2007, 05:27 AM)
I am mostly sure what you claim in the first post is a tad wrong.
Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.
Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know
When the first DVD hack was done by the Specialist, he found that some SS's are the same for
same games, not 100% the same, but it will allow the game to boot, it seems to be more like
the library build of the game xex not the game itself, so games builded from the same version
or suite of dev. tools will have SS's that are close enough to allow the game to boot.
The DMI/PFI is what M$ is checking so those must always always be from the actual game disc,
and best to always rip them from your original. Alltho of the so called "scene stealth" patchs don't
have the right sectors, and some even use the PAL version on the NTSC version and vice-versa,
there is really no way to verify these sectors are from the right disc by the firmware, it can only
do tests to make sure all three DMI/PFI/SS and video are present and at least containing valid
data, if you want to play around with using the wrong one's or untrusted scene patchs and get
yourself banned using the new iXtreme firmware, it is your own fault and not the fault of the
firmware, the firmware can only do so much and it already does enough by blocking the boot
of unstealthed or missing data discs, it is up the user to make sure he uses his originals to make
correct backups of his discs, and not to mix up what sectors go with what disc.
Post by: sosotiit on June 02, 2007, 05:01:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 02:38 AM)
It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.
so well said.
note that you do not need a prog to identify DMI when you make it from your origninal, that is only for people that have pieces coming from everwhere.
-soso
also read the pinned
no discussion on on injecting components in a backup, we know too well what this is used for. do it as garyopa said from the original and all will be there.
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jun 2 2007, 01:54 PM
Post by: popballz on June 02, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 2 2007, 12:37 PM)
so well said.
note that you do not need a prog to identify DMI when you make it from your origninal, that is only for people that have pieces coming from everwhere.
-soso
also read the pinned
no discussion on on injecting components in a backup, we know too well what this is used for. do it as garyopa said from the original and all will be there.
so all the backups i made myself have all the necessary files in them?
i dont have to get them separately from the iso?
and if i could pick up an xbox 360 samsung drive would that work better for the ripping than the Samsung SH-D162c ?
thanks
Post by: popballz on June 02, 2007, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(popballz @ Jun 2 2007, 07:29 PM)
so all the backups i made myself have all the necessary files in them?
i dont have to get them separately from the iso?
and if i could pick up an xbox 360 samsung drive would that work better for the ripping than the Samsung SH-D162c ?
thanks
well i figured out that none of my backups made with my pioneer 111d(for ripping) dont have any of that stealth stuff
but i am getting a keron drive from bong so its all good...except the $ i wasted on all those verbatims i wasted
Post by: sosotiit on June 03, 2007, 07:21:00 AM
options are to have (or reflash) a samsung 5.3 (or before) or a Kreon.
Reflashing to 5.3 everytime to rip then back to iXtreme to play is not practical, Kreon was the best solution and it is even more now.
-soso
Post by: sosotiit on June 03, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
Badsheepy just issued XDVDMulleter Beta 8 which introduced many new features and a few corrections. At this point that seems like the easiest method to verify your burned DVD for stealth.
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Post by: Truelaw on June 04, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
If I missed somthing please let me know.
Thank you
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This post has been edited by Truelaw: Jun 5 2007, 12:19 AM
Post by: sosotiit on June 05, 2007, 08:16:00 AM
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jun 5 2007, 03:17 PM
Post by: sosotiit on June 05, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ May 23 2007, 05:13 PM)
Backup and media stealth (DMI, PFI, Video partition) and how to check: After you extracted your image with XBCreator or Schtrom, you can check the stealth in the Schtrom/Tools tab and using the Acidflash stealth check. You can also use the Stealth check in XBcreator (if you get video questionable it is usually ok, but you can confirm with schtrom).
- At this point it only has value if you have a Samsung drive in your X360 (Hitachi hacked firmware does not support media stealth at this point)
- How to test a burned DVD in post #2 below: If some of the components are missing or in the event that you are unsure how you built that backup, we suggest to redo it from the original with a samsung drive**/Kreon drive.
- Using Wxripper and a hitachi drive: Not recommended anymore. It seems the SS extracted with Hitachi drive should not be used because easier to detect. For those who want to prepare for the day the Hitachi FW supports media stealth, you should till extract your backups with a Samsung**/Kreon Drive using XBCreator/Schtrom. You would then be able to do a "Complete backup" so no point in extracting separate pieces and merging.
WHAT NOT TO ASK at XS - How to extract an image from a backup: NO image extraction from a backup. We do not care what the cute reason is, we heard them all and it is no.
- How to merge additional stealth components in an existing image. Redo them from the originals.
For those that do not read the rules (no backups of backup), the pinned and previous post in a thread (including the first one
)no discussion about backups of backup (injecting components) , redo from original
post removed
-soso
Post by: ka-b00m on June 05, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
One quick question... Can we check an original disk with XDVDMulleter... Not just a backup... Using a Samsung Kreon drive... Right...
I ask this because i checked XBOX LIVE Arcade Unplugged Volume 1 Original and saw that there is no SS, DMI and PFI... Just Video Partition and Video Data present... In the ORIGINAL DISK... ????
Post by: sosotiit on June 05, 2007, 04:28:00 PM
-soso
Post by: ka-b00m on June 05, 2007, 04:59:00 PM
Thanks for the reply...
Post by: Havok on June 05, 2007, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Jun 5 2007, 05:42 PM)
Greetings...
One quick question... Can we check an original disk with XDVDMulleter... Not just a backup... Using a Samsung Kreon drive... Right...
I ask this because i checked XBOX LIVE Arcade Unplugged Volume 1 Original and saw that there is no SS, DMI and PFI... Just Video Partition and Video Data present... In the ORIGINAL DISK... ????
That is because when we rip we relocate the sectors... The firmware redirects requests to the new location..
Post by: sosotiit on June 06, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(mrhobot @ Jun 5 2007, 10:50 PM)
i dont know, my buddy gave it to me. i guess im going to have to ask him.
Forgot to read the rules on Piracy??
You should have!!
Post by: Truelaw on June 06, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 5 2007, 09:52 AM)
truelaw, not good , need to redo from original.
-soso
Ok thank you. I actually just ordered the sam drive. So that should help.
Post by: adachan on June 08, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on June 08, 2007, 04:50:00 PM
just IMHO, soso
Post by: ydgmms on June 11, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
I decided *NOT* to try my old backups at all - they were NME format.
I decided to re-rip Gears of War from my original to test for the time being...
However:
I ripped with Schrotm 3.2 and samsung shdwhatever Kreon .81 drive (used the Xtreme Stealth v3 option).
It passed acidflash test in Scrtom and appears to be ok in XDVDMulleter Beta 8.
I went to boot it this morning.... Open Tray.
I ejected the tray and reinserted it... Worked.
" " ... Worked.
Rebooted console ... "Gears of War" on the bottom and loaded.
Now, I'm worried if it was a fluke (bad read?)the first time and now its OK. Or if something is wrong with the image... What seems to be the consensus for ripping games now?
Post by: sosotiit on June 11, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
BTW for the bad read, if it is only once, may be just a glitch.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jun 11 2007, 11:04 PM
Post by: bboy_toronto on June 18, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
I have a couple of backups that I've stealth patched and everything and using XDVDMulleter it shows it as being patched and everything working fine however my 360 still does not read them! I put it in, I hear a small beep and then drive runs for a while and then starts clicking and in the dashboard I see "Open Tray" . I've wasted almost $20 on DVD's and I'm not sure what's wrong.
After upgrading to iXtereme 1.2 half my games won't work so I backed them up again making sure they are patched and yet they still don't work... am I doing something wrong?
Post by: sosotiit on June 18, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
how are you burning, media, burner, software
-soso
Post by: bboy_toronto on June 18, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 18 2007, 10:23 PM)
how are you doing the backup, drive, fw, software
how are you burning, media, burner, software
-soso
i'm pretty sure everything is rite.. all of these worked pre-ixtreme 1.2 but now they're not (well some of them are but there are a few that are giving me a headache - ex. forza 2 is working but doa 4 and fight night 3 aren't).
I burn them with Verbatims which were working perfectly before, not one bad disk, using cloneCD, my burner is a Toshiba one and it's also been working fine before...
Post by: sosotiit on June 18, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
how are you burning, media, burner, software
-soso
Post by: Johnwinger on June 21, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
I used and it showed me where the problem was. Only one of 2 games was proper.
Post by: sosotiit on June 22, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
QUOTE
*** NOTE***
Badsheepy issued XDVDMulleter Beta 9.2 which introduced many new features and a few corrections. At this point that seems like the easiest method to verify your burned DVD for stealth.
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Badsheepy issued XDVDMulleter Beta 9.2 which introduced many new features and a few corrections. At this point that seems like the easiest method to verify your burned DVD for stealth.
****************************
Post by: sosotiit on July 04, 2007, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: hg_gt on July 10, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
View ISO Details
Load From DVDR (I have the copy in the kreon drive and is detected in windows)
Load disk (Loads successfully)
Click next and it checks video and then i get this error
Microsoft.NET Framwork
Unhandled exception has occured in your application. If you click continue the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you quick, the application will close.
I can also select details of the error. The details follow, not sure if it is useful or not:
==========================================
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.IO.IOException: Error reading from specified disc
at DVDStuff.cdStreamer.doRead(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 count)
at DVDStuff.cdStreamer.Read(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 count)
at System.IO.BufferedStream.Read(Byte[] array, Int32 offset, Int32 count)
at XBoxISO.FileSystemSource.CheckPadding()
at XBoxISO.FileSystemSource.get_IsZeroPadded()
at XDVDMulleter.ShowDetails.PageUpdate()
at XDVDMulleter.ShowDetails.ShowDetails_SetActive(Object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.CancelEventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
at Wizard.UI.WizardPage.OnSetActive(CancelEventArgs e)
at Wizard.UI.WizardSheet.SetActivePage(WizardPage newPage)
at Wizard.UI.WizardSheet.nextButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
XDVDMulleter
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.10
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.10
CodeBase: file:///K:/Programs/Xbox%20Copy/Hitachi%20Directions/Stealth%20Verify/XDVDMulleter.exe
----------------------------------------
Wizard.UI
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///K:/Programs/Xbox%20Copy/Hitachi%20Directions/Stealth%20Verify/Wizard.UI.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
Wizard.Controls
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///K:/Programs/Xbox%20Copy/Hitachi%20Directions/Stealth%20Verify/Wizard.Controls.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
XboxDVD
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///K:/Programs/Xbox%20Copy/Hitachi%20Directions/Stealth%20Verify/XboxDVD.DLL
----------------------------------------
Accessibility
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Accessibility.dll
----------------------------------------
DVDStuff
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///K:/Programs/Xbox%20Copy/Hitachi%20Directions/Stealth%20Verify/DVDStuff.DLL
----------------------------------------
************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.
For example:
<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>
When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
===================================================
any idea? i just wanna verify media stealth to make sure i got this down right before i pop them in the 360. yeah i know the new hitachi version wont play it if its not media stealth but i want to verify it within this program first and understand why im getting an error. Thanks
Gt
Post by: sosotiit on July 10, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
or at microsoft site (google it)
-soso
Post by: hg_gt on July 10, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
I got to the same spot this time (after doing windows updates and i did see framework in there) and i get the same error except the title was DVDMulleter instead of microsoft framework. I have checked the original ISO with mulleter and everything checks out so i imagine the DVD will as well. Only thing is that when i try to check the DVD after its burned with the game file it gives the error still and then the DVD drive locks up and wont work until i restart my computer.
I burned another copy of the game from the ISO that checked up all the securities and such. Ill try and play that one and see if it works even though i get the same error and it shuts down my DVD drive...
think it could be the Media im using? They are the Dynex brand from Best Buy.
Gt
Post by: sosotiit on July 10, 2007, 06:28:00 PM
-soso
Post by: total_ass on July 13, 2007, 12:44:00 PM
But can 9.2 be trusted to confirm true stealth?
Post by: damam on August 09, 2007, 05:15:00 PM
I popped a couple of backups in to check to see if they are properly stealthed, and they report that they are. However, when i go to the crc popup and do a crc check of the "game data" it reports a bad rip. I tried re-ripping from the original using XBCr with kreon many many many times and kept getting this message with every iso created.
do i need to worry about it? if so, what am i doing wrong.
XDVDMulleter 9.2 used to check media stealth
XBCr 2.5 used to backup originals
162c w/ kreon fw
thanks
Post by: sosotiit on August 12, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
If you made you backup with kreon and that it pass the mulleter test, then you are OK.
-soso
Post by: DeVante on December 03, 2007, 03:01:00 PM
I have a game, turned out not to be in SPlitVid (according to XBC) and I'm tempted to let XBC convert it to SplitVid.
But if it's not SPlitVid because the original isn't, I'll just leave it like it is.
What do you think?
Post by: GKUltraMagnus on December 07, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: playboydee on October 07, 2008, 12:29:00 PM
(From the OP)
Post by: sosotiit on December 21, 2008, 08:07:00 PM
Tutorial On Making Backup With Xbc / Imgburn