Post by: sosotiit on February 26, 2007, 11:31:00 AM
Tutorial On Making Backup With Xbc / Imgburn
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This tutorial will help you do your X360 and Xbox1 backup using Xbox Backup Creator v2.8 (XBCr). This new version of XBCr will also burn you X360 Backup using the XBCr burning engine or with imgburn v2.4 by calling Imgburn for you with all the adequate parameters. (note that this Tutorial was prepared with v2.4 and Imgburn 2.2 but the same applies to v2.8 and Imgburn 2.4)
If you require to install these applications see the second post of this thread.
RIPPING
1-Open XBCr* ,
2-Select your ripping drive like SH-D162C (other model in the pinned topic) or Samsung/Benq drive**(FW xtreme800). Note that Hitachi do not allow to extract SS and therefore games
3-Place your game in the drive, (It will see the small video partition of a few MB)
4-Press Start , select the directory and enter a name
5-When completed, you will get a 7 651 848KB ISO ( or 7.29GB) or 7,651,262KB depending on the x360 games. If you use a version prior to 2.5 or do not activate the Splitvid then the files will be 7,395,392KB or 7.05GB. The .iso for Xbox1 will be 7,258,816KB (or 6.92GB) without splitvid.
6-You can verify the stealth/iXtreme compliance as per Media Stealth: What is needed and How To Verify, (DMI, PFI, Video Partition, Samsung SS) . It is not absolutely required since all is extracted with the adequate method and tools, but you can still make sure all is fine.
ALL DONE, TIME TO BURN.
*The real application looks much better without the watermark
, but to the guys who took pictures here last time and did not mention the source, SHAME on them.BURNING METHOD A: WITH XBCr **
1-Open XBCr* , select XBC as burning engine
2-Select your burning drive ,
3-Place a blank DVD+R DL the drive, and select writing speed (if the start button remains grey, you have not selected the proper drive or do not have a DVD +R DL in the drive)
4-Press Start , select the .ISO file you have just created (or the .DVD which will not make a difference here)
5-When completed, enjoy
**Not all burners are supported (but close
)BURNING METHOD B: WITH IMGBURN
1-Open XBCr* , select IMGBURN as burning engine
2-Select your burning drive ,
3-Place a blank DVD+R DL the drive, and select writing speed (if the start button remains grey, you have not selected the proper drive or do not have a DVD +R DL in the drive)
4-Press Start , select the .ISO file you have just created (or the .DVD which will not make a difference here)
5-Imgburn will start and tell You should have selected the dvd file , click OK
6-When completed, imgburn will close, enjoy
VERIFYING A BURN
1-You can validate that the burn was done with the appropriate layerbreak, booktype and that the image burnt corresponds to the image file on HD. The method is presented in the thread How to verify a burn . Note that this is not required and simply a validation.
2-You can also verify the stealth/iXtreme compliance as per Media Stealth: What is needed and How To Verify, (DMI, PFI, Video Partition, Samsung SS) .
QUOTE( Which Drive to extract @ )
**The lastest iXtreme FW will not allow you to rip (extract) games with any software (XBCreator, schtrom, IsoBuster...). You will need to reflash xtreme800 or acquire a Sh-D162C(ide)/SH-D163A(sata) for your PC in order to backup games.
QUOTE( SPLITVID Explained @ starting with XBC 2.6/Schtrom 3.3)
Video Partition On your original disc you have a small dvd partition that will show the famous message 'to play this disc put it in a Xbox 360'. It is what you will see if you put a game in your PC or if you have the wrong key in your modded X360. That small partition on an original disc is in fact divided between layer 0 and layer 1 of the dual layer disc.
Before Splitvid: Splitvid is in fact an adapted version of the traditional Xtreme format used up to XBC 2.6/Schtrom 3.3. The traditional Xtreme format backup have both part of the video partition on layer 0. Current hacked firmware will manage the request for the video partition sector of layer 1 such that they appear as being in their right place even if in fact recovered from layer 0 (thks to C4Eva). As a result, if the disk is queried for the various sectors, they appear at their proper place.
Splitvid: The new splitvid format respects the format of an original disc by having the video partition on layer 1 as per the original. It also maintain a copy of the layer 1 video partition on layer 0 such that it respect the traditional Xtreme format. Both format are included so you lose nothing by using it.
Current Hacked Firmware: None of the hacked firmware (including iXtreme 1.2) currently used the splitvid format so it is not required at this point. When queried for the sectors of layer 1, the firmware gets it on layer 0 thus making it transparent outside the DVD drive where the sector really is.
About The Future: No speculation plse, will the firmware eventually use the video partition from layer 1 as per original disc ? no way to know!!! Since the remapping of the sectors makes this transparent it does not seem to make a big difference. It does not hurt to have the splitvid in your backups if it ever gets implemented in the firmware then you will be ready (remember everyone currently redoing their backup with stealth
)Detection: Now as per the pinned topics, no one knows what MS will next try or can detect or not.
This thread is not to be turned into a speculation debate as it happened on this subject previously (i'll be watching
)Post by: sosotiit on February 26, 2007, 11:42:00 AM
You can download Imgburn at imgburn v2.3 , and use the installer.
- When used through XBCr do not set the layerbreak to manual, XBCr will manage this for you. In Tools/Settings/Write/Options Layerbreak should be Calculate Optimal.
- With the latest firmware (Hitachi v2.3 and Samsung 3.1+) the booktype setting at DVD-ROM is not required, but it does not hurt. You can set it in Tools/Drive/Change Book Type/'Your burner Brand' select 'change For:' to a 'DVD +R DL MEDIA' and in 'New Setting' choose DVD-ROM + hit Change.
- Some LG and Samsung burner do not have permanent bitsetting (stored in the Burner memory) like for most burner. They require the software to do it before each burn, this can be selected in Tools/Settings/Write/check Auto Change Book Type.
You can get XBCr from the link at the top of the thread and extract it in a directory, nothing more to do. Simply run Xbox Backup Creator.exe.
- Imgburn (and Nero) if they are already installed on your PC will show in the scroll window when XBCr starts (1). If imgburn is not listed in the windows, you can open the selection window by using the
button (2) and indicating the location of the ImgBurn.exe file (3).
- If you have problems loading XBCr make sure you have .NET installed (windows updater), and VB6 runtimes + mscomctl.ocx which are included in the installer as Xbox Backup Creator v2.4.exe. Only do this step if you have problems.
- Vista: Plse use the included installer. Some people had to turn on User Account Control (UAC) and make sure it was run as admin.
- Not seeing your TS-H943A: Turn off the "FW Branding Check" on the options tab unless you need it (A hitachi branded as samsung or opposite). For those using a VIA6421 card, you should try using the version 5.2 of the Via drivers (here)
- Ripping is extremely long (30+ minutes): Your Drive is probably not in DMA Mode (Went in PIO Mode). You can change that in Device Manager and can easily be found via Google .
- Getting an error during the rip
-You have this with all your games then it is probably a setup problem, if you are using a SH-D162C you can try moving it Primary/Secondary IDE and Master/Slave.
-You have that with only one game then clean your disk very well. If that does not resolve it could be your original is damage or marginal (see this post). - You are getting Unknown Partition size. Used bytes = 5.32 MB then upgrade to XBCr 2.4.
- During the burn if you are getting Session Fixation Errors, Optimum Power Calibration failures, or Invalid Write Address failures, they are usually due to low quality media or a defective burner if you were using adequate media (look at this post).
Post by: sosotiit on March 08, 2007, 07:52:00 AM
after you have completed the RIPPING section:
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_03_08/16_44_45_nme.jpg)
- method 1: you open the NME-360 aSSociat0r.exe, select convert, choose the file and hit Convert.
or - method 2: reopen XBCr/drive tools/securitysector save as SSnme.bin, open the NME-360 aSSociat0r.exe, select merge, choose the game file & SSnme.bin and hit Create.
-that this is for X360 games only as indications are that NME chips do not support Xbox 1 Backups.
-You must first make sure that your chip is functioning properly ( Modchip Development / Research ).
Single Layer Backups
Only Xbox 1 titles can be made on SL disc and it requires FW 5.3 or prior on your X360 samsung Drive (iXtreme does not support Sl anymore and Hitachi drive never supported that feature)
- Do your iso like you would do it for a dual layer backup (xbox 1) as per tutorial above
- Instead of burning, open Xdvdmulleter,
- select Build an ISO, Next
- Load from file, select the ISO, next
- select Create DVD5 ISO, next
- region, next
- For SS file , Load from source iso (you may have to select generic for DVD5), next
- Sealth sectors, Use source ISO, Next
- layout, optimize for Disk or load a layout file if you have one
- make iso
rgds,soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jun 13 2007, 11:51 PM
Post by: dice4206 on March 09, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
I've tried 2 backups of Oblivion using Xbox Backup Creator 2.4.
My ripper is a DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.81, and the burner is a CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 at [J].
They both appeared to rip/burn okay. I'm only burning the large 7gb + iso. I put in my 360, I get a message on the tv from the 360 of "To play this disk, put it in an xbox 360 console".
I'm missing something, just not sure what.
Any assist would be appreciated.
Thanks, dice4206
Post by: sosotiit on March 09, 2007, 05:52:00 PM
original is playing fine?
if so what media? x360 drive/fw
rgds, soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Mar 10 2007, 01:54 AM
Post by: dice4206 on March 09, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Soso:
This was my 1st attempt backing up, I didn't think to make 1 with another title. I'll try that.
The original Oblivion plays okay, just checked. The media I'm burning onto is a Matrix brand 2.4x certified, DVD +R DL
The tutorial for Creator 2.4 mentioned a small 1kb file, I got 1 similar to that, but it's a 4kb file.
Do I need to combine that with the iso. perhaps?
Ty, dice
Post by: sosotiit on March 09, 2007, 08:17:00 PM
QUOTE(dice4206 @ Mar 9 2007, 11:14 PM) 
The tutorial for Creator 2.4 mentioned a small 1kb file, I got 1 similar to that, but it's a 4kb file.
4 kb ???, it is usually two lines of text, you can trytoblivion with Schtrom.
also those media are not the best.
Try with verbatim (at least until you have it going)
rgds, soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Mar 10 2007, 04:20 AM
Post by: tonemgub on March 11, 2007, 07:18:00 AM
I´ve done some backups with this tutorial: http://team-underdog.com/howto.html
For all backups this works fine. Now with the game "test drive unlimited" I´ll get the information
on the screen: "Please insert game into a 360 box"
What else can I do? I don`t want to destroy lot´s of dvd´s (Verbatine)
1) try again with schtrom 3.2 (my last one was 3.1)?
2) backup creator 2.4?
I`ve got the chip NME, SH-D162C+Kreon 0.81
Thanks in advance for your help
Post by: sosotiit on March 11, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
It seems the SS is not good so it is either
1) extraction of the SS (how was it done)
or the
2) transfer to NME SS position (method 1 or 2)
if your other backup are working that is all I see (you could try backup another game)
rgds,soso
Post by: tonemgub on March 11, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Mar 11 2007, 10:41 AM)
you can try the two method above, as good as I can give you because I do not have a NME to test.
It seems the SS is not good so it is either
1) extraction of the SS (how was it done)
or the
2) transfer to NME SS position (method 1 or 2)
if your other backup are working that is all I see (you could try backup another game)
rgds,soso
Thanks for the quick reply Soso,
The SS was done by the program (Schtrom, Version 3.1), then the iso blown up with the program NME_aSSociat0r, vers. 0.3. I´ve burned it with the imgburn. All other backup works fine, done like written before.
I´ve now done another backup with schtrom 3.2 and one with the backup creator 2.4.
Actually I´m off Verbatim. After receiving them I will inform all, if it works.
Best regards.
Post by: tonemgub on March 13, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
Now it works
I´ve used the Schtrom 360Xtract V2.3, then the NME-360 aSSociatOr and burned it with the imgburn.
I also tryed a cheaper dvd (Memorex).
So if somebody have a problem with test drive, he should use the upper mentioned programs.
Best regards.
Post by: STEye on March 16, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
"There was an error reading the XDVDFS file system. The app will only loose minor functionality and should be able to continue normally. Do you want to continue without using the Sector Mapper?"
What does this mean? What causes it? Can I fix it?
Post by: sosotiit on March 16, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
If it does not wrok you should try report this in XBCreator , but most people had no problem with it.
rgds,soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Mar 16 2007, 07:21 PM
Post by: wlintek on March 16, 2007, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on March 16, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
QUOTE(wlintek @ Mar 16 2007, 08:03 PM)
just wondering if any one has come across this prolem. i tried to rip the Winning11 JAP version using xbc 2.3 and sh-d162c, all i get after ripping is 7.05 GB image. surely it's not correct but what i have done wrong?
what is the question exactly?
-is it that the image is always 7.05BG (if so they are all that size)
rgds, soso
Post by: wlintek on March 17, 2007, 03:03:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Mar 17 2007, 01:46 AM)
what is the question exactly?
-is it that the image is always 7.05BG (if so they are all that size)
rgds, soso
if i'm not wrong, the image after ripping should always be 7.3GB but mine is always 7.05gb so it does not work. tried the burnt disc at both native JAP and PAL consoles same result. this is my first back up game that does not work using xbc and sh-d162c. i just want to know if there is a special method to back uop this game?
Post by: sosotiit on March 17, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
That 7.05GB is mentionned often, a bit of research plse
rgds,soso
Post by: wlintek on March 17, 2007, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Mar 17 2007, 02:05 PM)
you are wrong, it is suppose to be 7,395,392KB (not 7.3GB). Since converting from KB to MB to GB requires to divide by 1024 (not 1000 since it is binary based) that gives 7,395,392KB /1024/1024=7.05GB.
That 7.05GB is mentionned often, a bit of research plse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
rgds,soso
Post by: kbracing6 on March 29, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: JooV on April 03, 2007, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: ScrewinGates on April 03, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Inspector9 on April 09, 2007, 06:04:00 PM
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at [0:0]
Getting media info [0:0]
Media Type: DVD-ROM
Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
also
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at [Z]
Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.81
Nero v7.5.7.0
ImgBurn 2.2.0.0 is available
ImgBurn - The Ultimate Image Burner! by LIGHTNING UK!
Getting media info [Z]
I've tried reinstalling the program twice. Am I missing something?
TIA
Post by: Inspector9 on April 11, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
Good luck to all
Post by: chucky_1873 on April 19, 2007, 02:58:00 PM
Xbox Backup Creator v2.5 Build:0230 By Redline99
Found ODD: HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GWA-4165B DG01 at [E]
Additional Info:
Nero API is not available
ImgBurn executable not found
thanks
Post by: sosotiit on April 19, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
not a problem since you can still brun by selecting XBC engine.
rgds, soso
Post by: sosotiit on April 22, 2007, 06:05:00 AM
rgds, soso
Post by: chucky_1873 on April 22, 2007, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: sosotiit on April 22, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
also in the tutorial above "Select your ripping drive like SH-D162C (other model in the pinned topic)"
There are only 4 PC drives that can do backup (shd162c and 3 others) with xbcr, also the x360 samsung.
otherwise you need to use wxripper.
time for some reading in the pinned section
rgds, soso
Post by: sosotiit on April 30, 2007, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(nhoj_yelbom @ Apr 29 2007, 10:10 PM)
check the pinned for the pioneer 112 thread,
pretty sure this is a the retail version of the pioneer 112, anyway the pioneers all do good for x360 backup.
rgds, soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Apr 30 2007, 03:29 PM
Post by: somacast on April 30, 2007, 05:35:00 AM
my question is : can i just burn this .iso file with imgburn or nero or any other without the .dvd file ???
plz help me .....
(note : ive tried to read using 2 different drives one is LG extrnal DVD writer model GSA-E10L , and the other is philips DVD writer , and using both i got only one file )...
thnx aloooot
Post by: sosotiit on April 30, 2007, 06:23:00 AM
second why would xbcr not give you a .dvd file.
redo you backups from the original with XBCr or schtrom and you will have all you need.
rgds, soso
Post by: somacast on April 30, 2007, 06:36:00 AM
thnx for the quick answer , and sorry 2 trouble u , but wht is schtrom ???
thnx again
Post by: sosotiit on April 30, 2007, 06:44:00 AM
also very good Schtrom.
only for extraction, must burn separately with Imgburn.
-soso
Post by: nhoj_yelbom on May 02, 2007, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: haihuy_2000 on May 13, 2007, 10:04:00 AM
I am a newbie and want to know if I use XBC 2.5 and Imburn to backup my original xbox1 game, can the backup game play on the XBOX1 (hack one)? Thanks in advance for the info.
Post by: sosotiit on May 13, 2007, 10:51:00 AM
xbox1 requires patched xbe files
if you are looking for a way to backup a Xbox1 game with XBCr/shd162c for use in a Xbox1, then look at How To Do Xbox 1 Backup From Your Pc Only.
good luck
soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 13 2007, 05:52 PM
Post by: RONTEK on May 20, 2007, 09:08:00 PM
Thanks,
Ron
Post by: novak2k7 on May 21, 2007, 05:06:00 AM
I used xbc2.5 and imgburn 2.3 to make backups of both my nhl2k7 and college hoops 2k7. No problems at all reading and making images, but when burning i'm getting crc write errors.
first 2 burns lasted until 2% and 15% before crc errors
third burn I used xbc to write, it resulted in a failed write.
everything done according to tutorial. I using a pioneer 111d, kreon drive, and verbatim +r dl
2.4x write speed, burner is only a couple months old. I tested by burning a full data dvd is it was good
any suggestions? I might install a new hard drive and fresh copy of xp tomorrow
This post has been edited by novak2k7: May 21 2007, 12:14 PM
Post by: novak2k7 on May 21, 2007, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: downset on May 22, 2007, 05:56:00 AM
i burned 8 backups (read with a kreon fw drive) with no problems and have used both imgbrn and xbcr, just wondering what is supposed to be the best if any difference at all
Post by: muzzy123 on May 24, 2007, 05:08:00 AM
Post by: sosotiit on May 24, 2007, 06:06:00 AM
If you burn without xbc and do not set the layerbreak manually, then you need it to say where to split.
When using XBC engine or XBC to call imgburn, all of that is manage by XBC so it is more or less useless.
-soso
Post by: Firf on May 24, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
Is there a way to check a current backup for SS, Stealth, PFI, etc... from the backup (already on a DVD DL and working) without having to re-extract it first? I tried to simply use XBOX Creator v2.5, however after loading it simply shows basic info... Anything else I try to do seems to require an ISO or the vid files and will not seem to look to the DVD DL backup in the drive for the additional information.
With all the talk as of late, just want to go through backups and ensure they were done correctly...
Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!
Woops, think I just found a link on how to do it... I'll ask again if I'm wrong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by Firf: May 24 2007, 03:46 PM
Post by: jmandrak on May 25, 2007, 11:00:00 AM
I have a xtrm0800.bin file which came along with my Xtreme 5.2 package. If I flash this file into the drive, will I be able to make a 100% copy (DMI, PFI, SS, Video)?
Post by: sosotiit on May 25, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
-soso
Post by: jmandrak on May 25, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
So I just burn a normal dvd with this file on it and leave it runnig for 20-30 secs? I also have a Enable0800 disk, but once I insert the game DVD, the drive disappears from windows.
I'm using Xtreme 5.3 now, and there is no xtrm0800 in the 5.3 package. So I guess this file I have is not even part of the 5.2 version either... maybe some earlier version.
Post by: sosotiit on May 25, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
-soso
Post by: Logi7 on June 14, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(novak2k7 @ May 21 2007, 12:42 PM)
im new to backing up, first 3 discs failed on write.
I used xbc2.5 and imgburn 2.3 to make backups of both my nhl2k7 and college hoops 2k7. No problems at all reading and making images, but when burning i'm getting crc write errors.
first 2 burns lasted until 2% and 15% before crc errors
third burn I used xbc to write, it resulted in a failed write.
everything done according to tutorial. I using a pioneer 111d, kreon drive, and verbatim +r dl
2.4x write speed, burner is only a couple months old. I tested by burning a full data dvd is it was good
any suggestions? I might install a new hard drive and fresh copy of xp tomorrow
maybe your drive is dying
Post by: sosotiit on July 02, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
not a matter of firmware, but as a newcomer you should read the pinned Backup Faq - Everything* You Need To Know PLEASE READ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS!
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Apr 22 2007, 11:15 AM)
Well , respectfully , you should do a lot more reading. Because all tutorial and the smallest amount of reading of the pinned Backup Faq - Everything* You Need To Know PLEASE READ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS! would have told you that you cannot use your regular burner for that.
also in the tutorial above "Select your ripping drive like SH-D162C (other model in the pinned topic)"
There are only 4 PC drives that can do backup (shd162c and 3 others) with xbcr, also the x360 samsung.
otherwise you need to use wxripper.
time for some reading in the pinned section (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
rgds, soso
as well as previous post ^^ of a thread. Both would have told you that your drive cannot extract games from original disc.
also, as per our rules, no backup of backup, plse do not discuss extraction from existing backups, only from original.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 3 2007, 01:10 AM
Post by: Spartiku5 on July 04, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Cheers for any help
Post by: sosotiit on July 04, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
yes if you use SH-D162c +kreon f/w and XBC (or schtrom), you will get full stealth,
-soso
Post by: klideas on July 07, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on July 07, 2007, 06:30:00 PM
is it your first? our you have others successful before?
also how was the image extracted: software, Drive/fw..?
-soso
Post by: hg_gt on July 14, 2007, 09:53:00 PM
Ripping is extremely long (30+ minutes): Your Drive is probably not in DMA Mode (Went in PIO Mode). You can change that in Device Manager and can easily be found via Google "
My ISO's are taking 60+ minutes to make... and i have googled and tried many of the suggestions to switch to DMA from PIO
1. Tried the script that changes and then u reset
2. Tried uninstalling the IDE primary and secondary and then resetting to have windows find
3. I have not tried bios but they say bios but not WHERE in bios
lastly i found that once a drive messes up 6 times or something it reverts to PIO permanently till something is done supposebly. I go to device manager and put DMA when available but the current transfer mode is constantly set at PIO....any suggestions?
Gt
Post by: sosotiit on July 15, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
also
http://winhlp.com/WxDMA.htm
-soso
Post by: hg_gt on July 16, 2007, 08:32:00 AM
i think the only thing i can do to change it is just get an external enclosure and plug it via usb to subside this PIO horror....unless anyone knows any other ways to surpass it....i think ive tried everything except BIOS which i didnt see anything in there. If anyone is familiar with the intel chipset motherboard bios and knows how to change to DMA i guess lemme know. I think im going to get an external enclosure from best buy today (one that it used for hard drives with an IDE interface) and jsut rip out the wiring and use that for my drive.... i imagine that should work. Ill keep you all updated and if anyone thinks up anything in the meantime please post or PM me here
Gt
Post by: hg_gt on July 17, 2007, 08:53:00 AM
Get and External Enclosure for your Kreon drive. By going through USB 2.0 you surpass the PIO and DMA modes. It was taking me 75 minutes to make an ISO before and now i making an ISO at this very moment and im @ about 40% in 6 minute leaving a total burning time of anywhere from 15-20 minutes down from previously 75 minutes!
Is it worth it to you to save those extra minutes? Hehe im glad i have supplied some information to the scene. It may not be BIG news but i guarentee many will be happy =)
Edit:Total ISO making time:14 minutes at 15 seconds =)
Gt
This post has been edited by hg_gt: Jul 17 2007, 04:01 PM
Post by: maynerd on July 22, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: sosotiit on July 22, 2007, 11:50:00 AM
your dirve is not one of them, you may burn with it but only very specific model can rip
-soso
Post by: maynerd on July 22, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
Great tutorial by the way.
Post by: luckysock on July 25, 2007, 10:20:00 AM
i'm having a problem with xbox backup creator v2.5.. I have a sammy with the kreon firmware v0.81. and just got me a 112d burner.
now the problem is I cant actually press the start button on the read tab, it's not highlighted.
the sammy is recongised along with the disc, 360 disc by the way.
I've unistalled and reinstalled countless times and no change.
I'm working off a laptop, got an ide to usb adapter for the sammy, dont know if this is the problem
I know its going to be somthing obvious but i need help please...anyone?
cheers
Post by: sosotiit on July 25, 2007, 10:59:00 AM
-soso
Post by: pan1c on August 12, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(maynerd @ Jul 22 2007, 06:59 PM)
i was hoping someone could help me with my problem. I follow this tutorial up to step 4, but i am not able to push start, it is not an option. The ripping drive i hav selected is my only one, so it could be my drive. My drive is "NEC DVD+-RW ND-6650A 102C". I have tried xbox backup creator 2.4 and 2.5 and the same problem. O ya, and i'm trying to burn 360 games. please help.
ive tried it all as well but I still cannot push the button, my drive is on the compatibility list liteon SOHW 1693s and I just upgrade the firmware as well to KCB4.
Post by: sosotiit on August 12, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
where you find
QUOTE
The only PC DVD-ROM models the can be used with Kreon FW to rip entire games (including SS, DMI, PFI,Video and game partitions) with XBCreator (or Schtrom) are: IDE = SH-D162C and TS-H352C; SATA =SH-D163A and TS-H353A.
And every letter in the designation is important (i.e. SH-D162A is not good)
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Aug 12 2007, 10:36 PM
Post by: pan1c on August 12, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Aug 12 2007, 10:36 PM)
have you really read my answer to him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ? It refers to step 2 and the sticky at the top of the forum saying Backup Faq - Everything* You Need To Know PLEASE READ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS!
where you find
-soso
yes, I did...excuse me for being completely retarded but it got to be harder to understand especially after reading in the compatibility list that my drive was in fact one that was used and working ( burned 45 copies)
so are you saying that my drive will not work for the task? is there another way?
Post by: chorizo1 on August 12, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(pan1c @ Aug 12 2007, 04:51 PM) 
yes, I did...excuse me for being completely retarded but it got to be harder to understand especially after reading in the compatibility list that my drive was in fact one that was used and working ( burned 45 copies)
so are you saying that my drive will not work for the task? is there another way?
you can't burn the game if you can't rip it first.
The only drives that allow you to do that are already listed for you. you need one of those to rip the game first.
Post by: sosotiit on August 12, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
in order to extract the game from the original disk you need a drive with Kreon FW (the four drive in the sticky) or a x360 samsung flashed back to 5.3 for ripping.
-soso
Post by: pan1c on August 12, 2007, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Aug 12 2007, 11:45 PM)
it works to burn, but not to rip.
in order to extract the game from the original disk you need a drive with Kreon FW (the four drive in the sticky) or a x360 samsung flashed back to 5.3 for ripping.
-soso
ok, sounds good, i guess ill go buy a new drive.....thanks
Post by: jay_Z_100 on August 17, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
I can rip it fine and I get the correct size ISO but when I then follow the OP on step number 7 I always get an error saying unhandeled exception. I'm not sure what an SS file is or what it means when it says "You may have to select generic for DVD5"
I put the steps below so if anyone has any ideas. I'm also using Version 1.0.0 of Xdvdmulleter Beta 8.
"Single Layer Backups
Only Xbox 1 titles can be made on SL disc and it requires FW 5.3 or prior on your X360 samsung Drive (iXtreme does not support Sl anymore and Hitachi drive never supported that feature)
1 - Do your iso like you would do it for a dual layer backup (xbox 1) as per tutorial above
2 - Instead of burning, open Xdvdmulleter,
3 - select Build an ISO, Next
4 - Load from file, select the ISO, next
5 - select Create DVD5 ISO, next
6 - region, next
7 - For SS file , Load from source iso (you may have to select generic for DVD5), next
8 -Sealth sectors, Use source ISO, Next
9 - layout, optimize for Disk or load a layout file if you have one
10 - make iso"
Post by: Pickle_mole on August 19, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: jay_Z_100 on August 20, 2007, 01:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Pickle_mole @ Aug 20 2007, 12:45 PM)
Ive searched the FAQ and this thread for an answer and i can not find one so please dont shoot me if i missed it! Any ways, to the point, Ive burned a game and i put it in my 360 and it says put it into a xbox 360. My xbox is not modded or flashed, is it required? o and i burned with xbc and img burn, same results. the media is memorex (made in taiwan) dvd+r dl.
You need to have a modded 360. but if you mod it, it will probably not function on Xbox live.
Post by: ATI-SPY on August 21, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: jay_Z_100 on August 22, 2007, 10:33:00 PM
QUOTE(ATI-SPY @ Aug 22 2007, 05:40 AM)
ok probably a dumb question.. so im to the understanding to use a SAMSUNG SH-D162C DVD to rip/imagefile and then use Pioneer DVR-111 to burn the the image back to disc. besides these 2 drives and software and of course the verbation Media disc.. is there anything else that is needed before or to burn a backup of a 360 game?
No that's all I use.
Make sure you use DVD+R DL because 1 time I bought a pack of DVD-R DL and then it went to waste.
Also make sure the original discs are clean and don't have scratches otherwise it might not rip it. That happened 2 me 1 time so I then used Schrotom(?) to rip it.
And If anyone knows any ideas to my problem up above please help out.
Post by: kefp on August 29, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
While I am able to backup using Schtrom360Xtract V3.3 very nicely, I have never been able to backup with Xbox Backup Creator v2.5. It always stop ripping around 25%.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Post by: sosotiit on August 30, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
-soso
Post by: kefp on August 30, 2007, 08:39:00 PM
Was hoping some had a similar problem.
Post by: Ruined on September 05, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
I have the SH-163A drive flashed with the Kreon Firmware.
It comes up fine in xbox backup creator. It recognizes the disc, and it even says it has the Kreon firmware. But for the love of God, I can not click start. It doesn't give me the option. I have the right drive selected, I have a xbox original disc in the drive. I have searched everywhere and I can't find shit about it.
The flashing software, SDFNWIN I believe it's called, has all my drives listed in the pulldown menu, but none of the drives info pops up when I select them. When I try to flash the firmware again (although it is already flashed) it gives me an incompatible firmware error.
I thought it might be my onboard SATA (I have an ASUS A8V mobo), so I bought the RC-212 Rosewill SATA controller card. It has the 6421 chipset I've seen is recommended, so I figured it would work. I get the SAME exact error.
I've tried reinstalling XBC. I've tried switching sata ports, I've tried updating the SATA drivers, I have tried every damn thing I've been able to find, but I am having no luck. It's driving me nuts.
When I hook it up to the onboard SATA on another computer with an A8V-XE mobo, it works flawlessly. It is driving me fucking BANANAS. Does anyone have any suggestions? Anyone ever experience this before?
I've also tried Schtrom and XDVDMueller (I think those are the names). Is there another program that might work that someone could link me up to?
I also read somewhere that someone had this problem because their IDE driver was outdated. I can't find an updated driver for my motherboard anywhere. Any suggestions as to that?
I've purchased the 162-C to avoid the SATA problem, but I get the feeling that's not going to help.
For the love of all that is good, PLEASE help me!
Post by: sosotiit on September 05, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
hopefully the 162c will go better
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Sep 5 2007, 11:33 PM
Post by: Ruined on September 05, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
My 360 isn't reading it (YES it's flashed). I followed all the instructions... I mean, not too hard, put the disc in, hit start, burn the resulting iso. I didn't change the booktype on the drive I used to burn, however. Would that make it not work?
Sorry. I'm just getting into this.
Post by: dmatrix on September 07, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Ruined @ Sep 5 2007, 11:48 PM)
Alright, this is my absolute last resort.
I have the SH-163A drive flashed with the Kreon Firmware.
It comes up fine in xbox backup creator. It recognizes the disc, and it even says it has the Kreon firmware. But for the love of God, I can not click start. It doesn't give me the option. I have the right drive selected, I have a xbox original disc in the drive. I have searched everywhere and I can't find shit about it.
The flashing software, SDFNWIN I believe it's called, has all my drives listed in the pulldown menu, but none of the drives info pops up when I select them. When I try to flash the firmware again (although it is already flashed) it gives me an incompatible firmware error.
I thought it might be my onboard SATA (I have an ASUS A8V mobo), so I bought the RC-212 Rosewill SATA controller card. It has the 6421 chipset I've seen is recommended, so I figured it would work. I get the SAME exact error.
I've tried reinstalling XBC. I've tried switching sata ports, I've tried updating the SATA drivers, I have tried every damn thing I've been able to find, but I am having no luck. It's driving me nuts.
When I hook it up to the onboard SATA on another computer with an A8V-XE mobo, it works flawlessly. It is driving me fucking BANANAS. Does anyone have any suggestions? Anyone ever experience this before?
I've also tried Schtrom and XDVDMueller (I think those are the names). Is there another program that might work that someone could link me up to?
I also read somewhere that someone had this problem because their IDE driver was outdated. I can't find an updated driver for my motherboard anywhere. Any suggestions as to that?
I've purchased the 162-C to avoid the SATA problem, but I get the feeling that's not going to help.
For the love of all that is good, PLEASE help me!
Man I have the exact same problem with a similar mobo, Asus K8V SE. It is also driving me bannanas. I have upgraded my bios to the latest, tried different sata drivers and different sata ports and I still cannot get XBC or Schrom to rip from the drive. XBC just has the Start button grayed out and Schrom doesn't even list the drive, yet it lists my Pioneer burner just fine. I am going to try a fresh install of XP and play with different SATA drivers again. I have searched and searched now for weeks and have found others with the exact same problem and have tried their fixes. ie. upgrading bios, making sure sata is plugged into the VIA and not the promise raid sata ports, disabling the onboard sata bootrom in the bios and ensuring the operating mode is set to onboard IDE. Nothing has changed, it still doesn't work.
If anyone has any other ideas I am game to try them. My last resort after reinstalling and playing with drivers is to try an usb enclosure.
Post by: sosotiit on September 07, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(dmatrix @ Sep 7 2007, 02:37 PM)
If anyone has any other ideas I am game to try them. My last resort after reinstalling and playing with drivers is to try an usb enclosure.
probably a good idea, check around to find one that is compatible with x360 backup, some people posted on that.
Post by: xtacybyme on September 12, 2007, 02:06:00 PM
I been backing up my sons games for almost a year now with now problems. the last 4 games ive tried to do WILL NOT WORK, spiderman 3, def jam icon, Overlord, gears of war. I test XBC with the my burgerking xbox 360 game to make sure software was working. cause that one has always been able to read
Was using XBC 2.3 then went to 2.5.
Have also tried newest version! just yesterday
reason im here, well i cant even get the burger king game to rip anymore.
I open XBC put disc in, and start button is greyed out. (same issue many others are having)
this is what i get, i have always done everything from with in XBC. (I've backup over 40 games) Am i missing a plugin? Is my firmware on the D162c to old? (it can't be the version of my firmware cause then the burgerking game would read and i could hit start\My theory...since it has worked from day one of doing backups) I have never had Image burn installed on this machine. i tried intalling that to see if it would help me get the start button back, i have rebooted machine MANY TIMES, Only other thing i have done is installed new version of nero 7.10.00 i always uninstalled that and went back to old version 7.5 to test and that didnt help either. I've checked google and well this is where its being mentioned so thought i'd throw a post out there.
Any ideas\help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Also ive yet to recieve email from xbox scene so will have to check back periodically. my junk folder is empty. so not sure wh im not recieving them.
(IMG:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/Xtacybyme/xbcerror.jpg)
This post has been edited by xtacybyme: Sep 12 2007, 09:13 PM
Post by: dmatrix on September 14, 2007, 01:55:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Sep 8 2007, 02:11 AM)
probably a good idea, check around to find one that is compatible with x360 backup, some people posted on that.
ya i got a usb/sata adaptor and it works just fine with both tools. damn via sata chipset gave me so much grief, should have just got a usb/sata adaptor in the first place.
Post by: xtacybyme on September 15, 2007, 03:15:00 PM
i'm still working on it here but have had no headway.
Post by: sosotiit on September 15, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
usually in XBC you will get (IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_09_15/18_15_41_cbc.jpg)
and in schtrom you get
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_09_15/18_16_11_sch.jpg)
I would reflash the SHD162C with Kreon FW
also I would used XBC burning engine or XBC to call imgburn (free)
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Sep 15 2007, 10:49 PM
Post by: xtacybyme on September 16, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
ive had this drive flashed since the players have been out. over a yr now??...
I have not reformatted computer or anything. is it possible the firmware just disappears? all i have done was upgraded nero versions thats it. can software programs change the firmmware with out me knowing?
Thanks for Reply sosotiit.
Post by: sosotiit on September 16, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: xtacybyme on September 16, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
But again Thnak you sosotiit for your help and fast replies
I'm back and running.
And for those others that may run into the same issue. now ya know what fixed it for me.
Take Care.
Post by: zenkiS14 on September 26, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
I was using an older version of imgburn that worked great then I started to get errors 3/4 burn. So I wanted to try the current method with xbc, but when I open the iso, I get the stated error. Any help??
EDIT: Ive made coasters with both Verbatim and Memorex DL. I get the error with games I have backed up before. My drives are a NEC 3500ag and a LiteOn SHW-160p6s
Thanks
This post has been edited by zenkiS14: Sep 26 2007, 04:38 PM
Post by: erebay on September 28, 2007, 09:37:00 PM
the resultant files are a 1kb dvd file and a 7,651,848 kb file (7,835,492,352 bytes). The same for bioshock.
Is this the correct file size??? What may I be doing wrong?
I used the search function and could not find an answer.
Post by: sosotiit on September 29, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
QUOTE(erebay @ Sep 29 2007, 12:13 AM)
I am using the SH-D162C drive with Kreon 0.81 fw + xbox backup creator v 2.6 to rip Halo3 and
the resultant files are a 1kb dvd file and a 7,651,848 kb file (7,835,492,352 bytes). The same for bioshock.
Is this the correct file size??? What may I be doing wrong?
I used the search function and could not find an answer.
yes it is OK, updated the tutorial
Post by: Toddler on September 30, 2007, 04:49:00 AM
QUOTE
5-When completed, you will get a 7 651 848KB ISO ( or 7.29GB) for x360 games. If you use a version prior to 2.5 or do not activate the Splitvid then the files will be 7,395,392KB or 7.05GB.
Is there any place with further explanation of this in more detail? Obviously, a change was made for a reason. Are older rips more vulnerable to detection?
Post by: sosotiit on September 30, 2007, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE( SPLITVID Explained @ starting with XBC 2.6/Schtrom 3.3)
Video Partition On your original disc you have a small dvd partition that will show the famous message 'to play this disc put it in a Xbox 360'. It is what you will see if you put a game in your PC or if you have the wrong key in your modded X360. That small partition on an original disc is in fact divided between layer 0 and layer 1 of the dual layer disc.
Before Splitvid: Splitvid is in fact an adapted version of the traditional Xtreme format used up to XBC 2.6/Schtrom 3.3. The traditional Xtreme format backup have both part of the video partition on layer 0. Current hacked firmware will manage the request for the video partition sector of layer 1 such that they appear as being in their right place even if in fact recovered from layer 0 (thks to C4Eva). As a result, if the disk is queried for the various sectors, they appear at their proper place.
Splitvid: The new splitvid format respects the format of an original disc by having the video partition on layer 1 as per the original. It also maintain a copy of the layer 1 video partition on layer 0 such that it respect the traditional Xtreme format. Both format are included so you lose nothing by using it.
Current Hacked Firmware: None of the hacked firmware (including iXtreme 1.2) currently used the splitvid format so it is not required at this point. When queried for the sectors of layer 1, the firmware gets it on layer 0 thus making it transparent outside the DVD drive where the sector really is.
About The Future: No speculation plse, will the firmware eventually use the video partition from layer 1 as per original disc ? no way to know!!! Since the remapping of the sectors makes this transparent it does not seem to make a big difference. It does not hurt to have the splitvid in your backups if it ever gets implemented in the firmware then you will be ready (remember everyone currently redoing their backup with stealth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )
Detection: Now as per the pinned topics, no one knows what MS will next try or can detect or not.
This thread is not to be turned into a speculation debate as it happened on this subject previously (i'll be watching (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )
original thread updated ^^
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Sep 30 2007, 02:46 PM
Post by: Runt on October 01, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
(IMG:http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/239/239414/folders/254665/2225204Error.JPG)
Post by: Toddler on October 13, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Runt @ Oct 1 2007, 04:28 PM)
Can anyone tell me why I started getting this error recently? It's happening with all my games.
This post has been edited by Toddler: Oct 14 2007, 05:49 AM
Post by: Toddler on October 15, 2007, 11:06:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Feb 26 2007, 02:07 PM)
5-When completed, you will get a 7 651 848KB ISO ( or 7.29GB) for x360 games. If you use a version prior to 2.5 or do not activate the Splitvid then the files will be 7,395,392KB or 7.05GB.
Using XBC 2.6 I am getting 7,651,848 on most games, but I am consistently getting 7,651,262 on some others (Viva Pinata, Rainbow Six Vegas). I've found a few Google links saying others have seen the same thing. These rips pass all tests, but I wish I knew whether this is valid/expected result on some discs. Anybody know?
Edit: Same exact results with Schtrom360Xtract V3.3.
This post has been edited by Toddler: Oct 16 2007, 06:23 AM
Post by: X360power on October 17, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
my backups dont work with splitvid...
Post by: sosotiit on October 17, 2007, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(X360power @ Oct 17 2007, 02:30 PM)
how can i remove splitvid from a backup?
my backups dont work with splitvid...
no backup on a backup if you want to keep your account here.
yes, easily done, rerip from the original and remove the splitvid options in the option menu of XBC
Post by: aznprid214 on October 17, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
I have the ms28 flashed with xtreme 5.3. Iam connecting it to my pc using the via card. my 0800 disc is on a dvd -r . my 360 is not reading the correct size of the games.... any suggestions?
Post by: aznprid214 on October 20, 2007, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: anhvandoiem on December 20, 2007, 11:37:00 AM
I also experiencing issue with call of duty 4 360...when I open XBC on the read tab it said this is not a 1 to copy therefore I can not read the disc to put onto my desktop...so im stuck and I can not backup the disc because the start buttton is faded out and cant be clicked...
Post by: samerali2 on April 27, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
still when I place the backup dvd!
I get a small video to tell me use this cd in an xbox or something like that!
there are no mistakes made while backing up the game...
the problem is with burning it
any advice please
edit*
all images seems to be broken!
Post by: test84 on June 04, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
I'm trying to backup a xbox1 game with XBC but whenever I put it in my drive, the read button gets disabled but that button works with my regular x360 backups.
anyone knows why?
Post by: Nicky Carts on June 04, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
-nick
This post has been edited by Nicky Carts: Jun 5 2008, 12:39 AM
Post by: Chimp5000 on June 23, 2008, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on June 24, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Nicky Carts @ Jun 5 2008, 10:14 AM)
what does "IPB Image" stand for. im gonna try this method of burning using XBCr cause im running out of options. if already tried burning 2 games using imgburn (and loaded the .dvd file) but both arent being read by my console. any suggestions and if you could explain what that means i would be thankful.
-nick
IPB Image just means that the image that was shown there, now cannot be found. it may have been deleted or moved from the website its pointing to
QUOTE(Chimp5000 @ Jun 24 2008, 01:43 PM)
Hey. I read somewhere that I need to set the layer break in ImgBurn. Is this true, because I didn't set the layer break and my Ninja Gaiden 2 backup didn't work. I tried twice without doing the layer break thing, and both time it didn't work.
yes the layer break needs to be set, but if you select the .dvd file to burn instead of the .iso, then its setting the layer break anyway
Post by: sosotiit on December 21, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
Tutorial On Making Backup With Xbc / Imgburn
soso