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Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 05, 2007, 08:56:00 PM
I have been trying to Backup my 360 game ever since I scratched the hell out of it, and replaced it for a new one, but I have had no luck.

I'm using a DVD that is 7.8 GB in size I don't have anything bigger, but I wouldn't think that after finding the magic # that it would be because of the DVD, and I use the pin hole to swap out the disc rather than the other way. I will here the drive spin, and make a load sound then spin and make a loud sound, over and over again untill WX Ripper gives me an Error @ 0 Drive redundancy. I figure its the drive since its an error at 0 which means its not liking the disc from the beginning. Any Layouts that might work. I hope its not my drive. I have another Drive DVD-RW DL Lite On, but when I hit the pin hole the dame thing doesn't open and stay open. The drive lites up, and closes again, and I have to start all over again, which in this case I can't use the drive because it dosen't give me the chance to swap, and it resets itself. The other drive I use is a Lite On DVD Drive, no burner.

I know I've said a mouthfull and should probably shut up, but I am lost.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 06, 2007, 06:11:00 AM
yes, @0 is usually a sign that the swap was detected by the drive.
Emergency hole does not work with most drive (pioneer are the best), I was not able to make liteon work.
You mention liteon is you second drive, but what is your primary drive?

moved to backup
rgds,soso
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: monkeyflungpoo on February 06, 2007, 11:11:00 AM
Yeah the emergency hole most of the time doesn't work for me. If I were you, why not buy a SH-D162C drive. They are very in expense.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 06, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
My Primary Drive is a Lite On DVD-ROM/CD-RW Burner. This is the one that lets me eject using the emergency Hole.

My Secondary is a Lite On DVD-RW DL Burner, but when I use the emergency hole it sucks the tray back up. It just dosen't work.

I tried opening the Secondary drive up but its built to where I have to cut metal. I haven't tried opening the Primary. I will give that a try and just hot swap with it open (If I can)and see what happens. Thanks for the help guys.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 06, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
liteon are usually pretty tough for the emergency hole.
Pioneer are the best.
Good luck with the hot swap.

rgds,soso
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 07, 2007, 06:11:00 PM
I have suceeded to get WX Ripper to start coping, and of course there are some sectors that the drive dosen't like.

· C19408 <- Same as orignal
· D1072 <- Same as orignal
· C91135 <- Original used to be C109344, which I split into 2
  parts, stopping at 1 byte before my CRC error @ 91136
· D18209 <- Dummy the remainder of the part that gives the
  error. 18209 (this line) + 91135 (previous line) = 109344
  (original number)

This is a passage from Textbook.pdf

I did the same thing for GOW, with the exception that the sectors are differant, and then ran WX Ripper again.

Then after running again It has another problem at a differant sector, so I have the edited layout from the first error, and then I edit the sector that had the error to the edited layout. and after all that WX Ripper manages to copy the ISO. It is 7.05 GB, but its off by a few Bytes. Xbox Backup Creator tells me that the ISO is to small for WX Ripper, but to big for extreme version. I even use SS merger to merge the Security Sectors, The PFI, and DMI.

By the way I don't know where to get the three, but there is an option in Xbox Backup Creator that allows you to extract them, and then I use SS merger to merge them, I figure this is not were I should get them since it gives a red indicator After I do that the ISO is 7.17 GBs

Xbox backup creator gives me a message about the SS, PFI, and DMI saying something like the SS isn't where is should be, or somewhere along that line. I can't remember. Same for PFI, and DMI.

I've said to much, but 15 bucks for 3 wasted DL DVD's is killing the wallet. I know i'm doing something wrong, but i'm to retarded to figure something so simple out. I have that feeling that its something I know i'm doing wrong, but can't see it.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 07, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
try it simpler at first simply change line 3 from C to D

C19408 <- Same as orignal
D1072 <- Same as orignal
D109344
the rest is the same as it was

after the rip it should be 7,572,881,408 bytes (I believe??)

then put it in ssmerger1.7b with the SS, DMI and PFI (you can extract them in  drivetool tab of XBCr with your x360 drive connected and seen in windows). The red bar are not important.
Select pad with blank for the video (or add one if you want) and deselect NME compatible, hit the big merge button. the resulting file should be 7,572,881,408 bytes again.

I havent done that in a while, so not sure, but you may even try the image tool in XBCr to insert the SS, DMI, PFI,

rgds, soso


Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 07, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
I will try changing the 3rd line from C to D, but do I still have to do the above that I mentioned before if it dosen't like the sectors in the next few line (which ever one it messes up on first) Plus the Magic Number, that Magic #. I used a DVD that is oh i don't know 7.85 GB I think (The Incredables) does it effect the process if its not 8gb + because I have noticed that every size/DVD has a differant Magic Number.


I think with GOW it was Line 4 that messed up right at 0 so since I couldn't go one byte back I just faked/dummy the hole sector for that Line, and it still came out 7.05 GBs but XBC said it was to small for WX Ripper, and To big for Extreme, but none the less I will try, and try again. I wish I had the details, but i'm not at my own PC. I have to use my friends.

By the way, what does it actually mean when it jumps. I'm taking a guess it just skips this sector without making it a dummy (no data)

This post has been edited by team_toyo: Feb 8 2007, 04:10 AM
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 07, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
not sure I am following you,


just take the layout that you get when you find the magic number, and only change the third line from C109344 to D109344. Change nothing else and reload the layout then extract...

I do it with 7.5G and it is working, so 7.85 is not an issue.

rgds,soso
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 07, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
I think I may have found the problem, but I'm not to sure. I was reading some tutorials from the links you have below your sig, and I read that you find the magic number on the X360 disc. I think I have been finding the magic number on the DVD Movie itself. I can't remember, I am so tired, but I am going to give it a try. Thats sad if I've been doing that, and sad because I can't remember if I have been doing it wrong. I really need sleep
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 07, 2007, 08:54:00 PM
usually find it on the movie, so you were ok
rgds
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 08, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
Cool. I got GOW to go no problems. I haven't burned the ISO yet, NO DVD's. Until then I will not know if I come up into some more problems.

Just to see if I was just lucky to have GOW go good, I tried to Copy Pocket Bike Racers (Burger King Game) Just to see if I would have success again, but in line 6 in had an error. Just curious but I'm not going any furture with that game. I really don't play it so I won't have a problem losing it, or scratching it, and if I did oh well.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 08, 2007, 06:50:00 PM
The burger king stuff has both a Xbox 1 and x360 version on it I believe, so very unsure how wxripper would digest it. Even XBCr has problem with it, so dont benchmark on that.
rgds,soso

This post has been edited by sosotiit: Feb 9 2007, 02:50 AM
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 10, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
Okay I have the Collectors Edition of Gears of War, and I have already scratched it up, replaced it, and now have the new copy. I was lucky enough to get it replaced since it was my fault to begin with, so I want to insure myself.

From this

C19408
D1072
C109344
C1783936
J342400
C1783936
J0

To This:   Bold Underline represents the change

C19408
D1072
D109344
C1783936
J342400
C1783936
J0

With the unchanged layout in WX Ripper Gears of wars usually has an error at LBA 129824 which is C1783936, but if I change the layout like you said (above) Gears of War has no problems going thru, I just can’t figure out why the error goes away when its LBA 20480 that I changed (which is C109344 to D109344) and not LBA 129824 ( C1783936 ) I’m just trying to learn how this works in a technical way, but none the less I have a raw dump of the game which is 7.05 GB (7,572,881,408 bytes) and SS Merger 1.7b tells me that the ISO is a WxRipper Style Length which is good since that is where I ripped it from. Then a box pops up saying current security sector MD5 : C99A74C555371A433D121F551D6C6398. Now I have no internet at my place, so I can’t calculate the MD5 checksum. I have to rely on my mother in laws computer for internet, and she would go anal if I ripped her DVD Drives apart, plus she has no DVD-RW DL burner. So I’m just shit out of luck.

About the SS. I’m having a problem with that. I use Xbox Backup Creator (XBC) to extract the SS, DMI, and PFI from the ISO, but why would I have to if I’m going to merge them back in with SS Merger, I’m just running a loop it seems. So I figure the SS.bin comes with SS Merger, but there is none in the Zip/Rar file.

So instead I use XBC to extract the SS, DMI, PFI from the ISO, and XBC tells me for all three unable to determine the validity of the Security Sector, Do you want to continue. I figure again that XBC needs an internet connection to find out. But then XBC has the option to merge the SS so I’m back to the conclusion that I need to download it from somewhere, like maybe Xbins, you know that kind of a file, but I’m not to sure because none of the tutorials that I have read specify where and how to get the SS, DMI, and PFI, they just say merge them with SS Merger. Needles to say I burn the game after using SS Merger to merger the SS.bin that I got from XBC, and I get my DVD file. then I use XBC to burn the DVD file, XBC tells me backup image doesn’t match expected filesize: Expected 7.05 GB (7,572,881,408 bytes) Actual 7.18 GB (7,705,657,344 bytes) so then XBC aborts, and I know then I can’t burn it but like a dumb ass I burn it anyway with image burn, and I load the game and it gives me the error and plays the video partition, so its all back to the Security Sector. I have a perfectly good dump, but the rest is history.

+
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 10, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
1)LBA 129824 is the last of (19408+1072+109344) so by replacing with D in line three,  allow you to go in first layer (first of C1783936)

2)about ss merger, forget the md5 and all that it is not needed and we do not support the use of such database at XS!
So say no  when it ask “Do you want to calculate… and verify online…” (not sure if the database even exist anymore, I never uses that).
It is not a problem if you have the two red fields at the bottom, I have never used the database (always got the two red fields) and it works.

But since you have a samsung, you dont need wxripper, connect your x360 xrive to your PC and use xbox creator one click the entire game is backed up.

You cannot extract the ss, dmi and PFI from your wxripper image, so there is no point for you using wxripper at all.

A lot of work opening your x360, you might want to consider a SH-D162c in your PC wink.gif ,



rgds,soso




Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 10, 2007, 12:25:00 PM
See thats what I figured, but when I connect the drive to the PC My Sata Adapter doesn't detect the Drive after I have inserted the 0800 Disc, and windows freezes at the windows logo loading window, after maybe a minute or two windows starts to load like nothing happend, and then the drive is still not detected, and I was reading that you have to hex edit MTK Flash to get it to recognize the drive when your going to flash it, but I have already flashed it with Xtreme5.2b. I have played backups of original Xbox games so I know it went well.

I was thinking maybe I should make my own Xtreme firmware with orig.Bin and then use xtreme boot maker to create the files using the firmware I created, but it tells me it doesn't recognize the firmware maybe I flashed it wrong. I know that my Adapter has a bios funtion, and when I connect the X360 drive to it it doesn't recognize it even after the 0800 disc, when I go into the bios it says there are not enough disk arrays to do yada yada, and it won't let me do anything, like mess with funtions, or the like. I have a VIA 6421L Chipset with two Sata ports and an IDE. I'm thinking I need to reflash my drive. Man I'm hopeless
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 10, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
carefull with the reflash,

do you have an addon card 6421, and have you installed the drivers 5.4?
if so you need to go back to driver 5.2 for your card.
rgds
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 10, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
I check the Driver version under device manager

Driver version:  5.1.2600.410

Driver Date:  7/5/2004

So there pretty old. These is what came on the CD, I'm going to look for drivers over the net


Okay I found old Drivers Here:

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...D=117&Old=1

They have 5.2A & 5.2C

5.20A Dated 30 November 2005

5.20C Dated 10 February 2006

I think maybe the oldest 5.20A
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 10, 2007, 01:53:00 PM
[Version]
CatalogFile=viamraid.cat
signature="$CHICAGO$"
Class=SCSIAdapter
ClassGUID={4D36E97B-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Provider=%VIA%
DriverVer=03/31/2006, 5.1.2600.530

This is the version info in the .INI for version 5.30C

5.20C & 5.20A is 5.1.2600.520 the website says 5.20A/C but the .ini, and Components manager under windows both say 5.1.2600.520, but differant dates. What is this spesific version for anyways. Its just the Card doesn't detect the X360 Drive from startup, so i'm wondering if I have to reflash it with an edited MTK Flash, because I never edited. I used xtreme boot maker, and it worked fine. I understand that this program edites the MTK flash for you right? I'm not looking to good.
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 10, 2007, 02:30:00 PM
you may have to return to the beginning until you have it detected, you are right.

probably not just a drivers issue,

goodluck,
soso
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 14, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
I figured it all out. I had to rethink the whole process. I mean I’ve read every tutorial about backing up your games, and there are so many different programs, and several different ways to go about it. At this point I didn’t know whether or not this program was meant for this type or drive, or this program was this old, or outdated, and so on. So I decided to start from scratch.

I’ve already flashed my MS28 according to “textbook. PDF” and had no problem backing up my original & hacked firmware using MTK Flash, all that I needed to do was figure out how to backup, but nothing I did worked. I first tried the Enable 0800 disc I burned but my SATA adapter wouldn’t detect the drive at startup, and windows would freeze during this process. So I figured I burned the ISO wrong, and used a different program to re burn it, but still nothing.  I then resorted in the hot swap method, but that didn’t work. I couldn’t extract the SS from the raw dump, and XBC wouldn’t burn the resulting file. Even SS Merger v1.7 would tell me this ISO was to small or to big for this type of style (read posts) So I gave up, or felt like giving up, but I didn’t let it stop me when I first got my Xbox 1, so I wasn’t going to let the 360 get the best of me.

MTK Flash will detect you SATA card when Hex edited for the appropriate adapter/chipset. Xtreme Boot Maker does this for you, and even has the boke’s Patch for MS28 Drives and the Bad Flash recovery option. So It’s a no brainier that this is how the SATA card was able to detect TS-H943 (MS 28) with the help of MTK Flash when I first flashed the drive. I even went the extra step and hex edited the MTKFlash.exe again, according to my chipset (VIA 6421). Knowing the 0800 Enable disc still didn’t work I had to trick my PC. At this point I knew the Flash went well due to the fact that I could play old Xbox 1 backups. So it had to be the adapter that didn’t care whether or not 0800 was enabled.

     1.   I went ahead and loaded DOS with Startup disk (with Hex edited MTKFlash.exe)
     2.   Turn on the Xbox 360 with SATA cable connected to the PC/adapter card, (After DOS loaded)       and power still going to the X360 DVD-Drive.
     3.   Next I loaded the Enable0800 Disc into the 360 and then took it out after listening to the laser stop.

At this point the enable0800 disc does its magic after the fact that the PC & SATA Adapters Bios have loaded up and enabled all system settings, were as before the bios would counteract the enable0800 disc and not detect the drive at all.  

     4.   Next type at the command prompt “MTKFLASH /SATA” without quotes

.You’ll notice that you come up to the part where it asks you to choose which drive to select and flash, but because I didn’t provide a hacked firmware with MTKFlash it can’t flash the selected drive, and it gives you an error. The Xbox 360’s Power Light starts to flash like the Tray is opening/closing

     5.   Next just power down the PC, and turn back on while keeping the Xbox 360 powered on, and let the PC Load up. The PC’s Bios loads, and detects Windows, then the bios utility for my SATA RAID Card. Now the card detects the X360 Drive, and windows loads up with the drive under My Computer.

So essentially I just loaded the enable0800 disc after loading DOS with Startup Disk and not Enable0800 will the PC is loading DOS. Reverse psychology in other words. Who says it doesn’t work.


Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: sosotiit on February 15, 2007, 05:09:00 AM
Thks for taking the time to share your solution,

rgds,soso
Title: Trouble Backing Up 360 Game With Wx Ripper
Post by: team_toyo on February 15, 2007, 05:30:00 PM
Well I'm not to sure there have been problems with other people detecting their Drives, but if there is a number of people out there, then maybe this will help them out, considering the fact that they have MTKFlash Hex Edited if that applies to their Adapter Card. sosotiit, thanks for helping along the way.