Post by: sosotiit on January 12, 2007, 08:10:00 PM
Here are some quick info on the Pioneers ,
- Pioneer burners sets booktype (bitsetting) automatically to DVD-ROM for Double Layer +R, thus no need to change anything if you have a Pioneer.
- The firmware on your Pioneer 111 should not be a problem if it is 1.23+ (even prior version should work). Upgrade it only if you have a problem since it is much easier to upgrade than the opposite. You can find the firmwares for Pioneer at RPC1.org.
- It is also a good drive for those using wxripper with the emergency hole (like most Pioneer are).
The 111/112 series has three models: The 111/112D that burns +/-R double layer up to 8X (112 @ 10x (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ); The 111/112 which adds the DVD-RAM feature ; and the 111/112L which adds DVD-Ram and lightscribe. The additional features of the 111/112 and 111/112L will have little to no impact on X360 burning.
Previous Pioneer are also excellent burners, and the double layer burning started on the 108/A08 model.
Finally there is no way to stress enough the need for good media in support of your Pioneer and on that you must read this post by Jesterrace777. When a system reads a dvd there is a limit to the number of errors it can correct without calling it quit and declaring the DVD unusable. Below are two quality scans (Lower errors is better!!). You will find the performance of a Verbatim (top) and a Ritek (marketed under RiData, memorex, TDK, Some of Sony...) and as you can see the the Ritek is off the chart I use. It does not mean it will not work, but it certainly increases the chances of a problem. In conclusion threat your Pioneer (and your X360 drive)well by feeding it decent food (as perceived by a burner obviously!!!).
With the Pioneer 111/112, burning your verbatim at 4X appears to be an adequate choice. The Pioneer will burn them at all speed from 2.4X to 8X: Slower speed (2.4X) do not seem to produce better burns and higher speed (6X and 8X) apparently introduce slghtly longer loading time.
(IMG:http://www.geocities.com/sosotiit/scan3.png)
NOTE: I recieved a PM as to why I used the Liteon 165H6S in the scans above. It is the only little weakness I see of the Pioneer 111, not being a good scanner. You should not care about this unless you are real serious about doing quality scans of your burns, see posts 2 and 3 here.
*Yes, the Pioneer 112/212 is also performing very well. The firmware delivered with the unit seems to support well burning for X360 games. Also note that the 112/212 will burn single layer dvd up to 18X (as opposed to 16X by the 111).
Hope it helps,
rgds, soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Apr 15 2007, 05:27 PM
Post by: jabroniekilla on January 13, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: DXK on January 22, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Gonna test if I can burn games now
Post by: klinsek on February 03, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(DXK @ Jan 22 2007, 12:23 PM) 
Thanks for the info I bought a 111D today
Just ordered myself.
Late to the party on the 360 scene, and this tutorial provided me with one less thing to research.
Thanks!
Post by: jon_jon on February 04, 2007, 12:49:00 AM
This post has been edited by jon_jon: Feb 4 2007, 08:51 AM
Post by: tchak on February 21, 2007, 06:13:00 AM
I have an old and good LG GSA-4120B, works fine for XBOX, PS2 and DVD, all with RITEK media, but for DL... ok thats fine, let him rest in peace in the DVD burns heaven.
Im get out to buy an Pioneer right now.
[]s
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 21, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Either as the OEM drive the 111D or the retail model the DVR-710.
Post by: City Ninja on February 22, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: Mysteriouskk on February 23, 2007, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 23, 2007, 09:02:00 PM
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=201109
Given the fact that every Pioneer model since the 108 has done well with the 360, I don't see why the 112 would be any different but then again I have been surprised before.
Post by: sodiumba on March 03, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Mysteriouskk @ Feb 24 2007, 02:04 AM) 
Anyone use it yet?
Absolutely fantastic burner!
I bought one two days ago as my lite-on was having trouble burning any game on any media . So far I have had no problems with it yet. It definately overpowers my old lite-on LH-18A1H drive and he booktype (as always with the new pioneers) is auto set as DVD-Rom. Working straight out of the box...
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 03, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: poots on March 08, 2007, 06:12:00 AM
Just ordered a Pioneer DVR 112D - and was wondering if anyone had any experience with it?
I have read as much as possible about the 111, but they were unavailible so i got the one up from it.
Do you think it will be pretty much the same? (which is what i expect)
Just so its not all take - i will be posting my personal experiences with it so you guys can add it to a list or something
peace.
poots
Post by: gtavegas on March 08, 2007, 06:26:00 AM
Do I need to update to latest firmware?
Post by: sosotiit on March 08, 2007, 06:40:00 AM
QUOTE(gtavegas @ Mar 8 2007, 09:26 AM)
Do I need to update to latest firmware?
here we go again!!!
try it, if it does not work, upgrade. As a general rule generic FW on pioneer is fine.
and zero research, it was just down the page (merge now)
soso
Post by: gtavegas on March 08, 2007, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: Theldren on March 17, 2007, 03:47:00 AM
I recently got a Pioneer 112D and it has successfully burned 4 backups with no problems. It's stock firmware and no other changes made, just installed, stuck a DL Verbatim in and away it went, happy as pie.
Ciao
QUOTE(poots @ Mar 8 2007, 02:12 PM)
Hi guys
Just ordered a Pioneer DVR 112D - and was wondering if anyone had any experience with it?
I have read as much as possible about the 111, but they were unavailible so i got the one up from it.
Do you think it will be pretty much the same? (which is what i expect)
Just so its not all take - i will be posting my personal experiences with it so you guys can add it to a list or something (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
peace.
poots
Post by: poots on March 17, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
The 112D is a fantastic burner, my backed up discs actually read better than the originals!
(thanks to a little brasso (metal polish - brings discs back from the dead) and XBCr's error corrections
)peace
poots.
Post by: HJX on March 21, 2007, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Mar 8 2007, 08:47 AM)
here we go again!!!
try it, if it does not work, upgrade. As a general rule generic FW on pioneer is fine.
and zero research, it was just down the page (merge now)
soso
Agreed. My 112D worked fine right out of the box. Have successfully burned several games already (and they actually worked!) w/o any problems.
Post by: Roden on March 21, 2007, 01:52:00 PM
In my opinion, this burner is shit, and i will never touch a pioneer ever again.
You think you are buying a good burner, remember this thread when your lazer craps out after a few months, you have been warned, follow the crowd and buy shit, or get somthing else simple.
One word for pioneer, SHIT.
By the way, i also have an LG-4163B, that is like 2 years old, still going strong and burns 360 perfect, and guess what, im keeping it.
Post by: sosotiit on March 21, 2007, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Roden @ Mar 21 2007, 04:59 PM)
In my opinion, this burner is shit, and i will never touch a pioneer ever again.
everyone is entitled to an opinion, and you are fair enough to say it is that, an opinion.
Unfortunately, the fact that so many people are using them with success and by following the activities in the specialized forums like cdfreaks clearly demontrates that for most users it is the opposite . Not only has it remained a top burner in terms of the burn quality but also for its reliabiliity.
Sorry
to see that it has not served you well.rgds, soso
Post by: DuBob4432 on April 16, 2007, 07:10:00 AM
as a refernce i have the dts-ex version of gladiator, which when you look at it can see there are no scratches on the disc, and it scored a 93 in quality in the same benq 1655 drive, being tested in the same manner. so i would definately recomend the 1.29 rpc1 f/w over the pioneer 1.29 f/w
Roden - sorry to hear about your issues w/ the drives. i have personally used just about every manf out there and have little to no failure rate with them. in fact the last burner that died on me was a "fast" 8x4x32 yamaha scsi cd-rw that ran me $300 back in the day...
do any other drives fail you whether hard drive or optical or do you get random reboots on your machine? if you keep having failures maybe look at your computer power supply as a lot of failing drives could mean an issue with the psu - not keeping V where they need to be.
Post by: Bigal344 on April 21, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
I can't see a great deal on pioneers site comparison,the 111 still burns DL discs, just waiting for my 360 to come back from having its chip fitted so i can start testing my backups.
While i'm here can someone point me in the direction of a good external drive for use with wxripper, or a relevent thread.............
Post by: Harry Paratestes on April 21, 2007, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: sosotiit on April 21, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Bigal344 @ Apr 21 2007, 04:46 PM)
Mine is a 111 not a 111D, whats the difference?
I can't see a great deal on pioneers site comparison,the 111 still burns DL discs, just waiting for my 360 to come back from having its chip fitted so i can start testing my backups.
While i'm here can someone point me in the direction of a good external drive for use with wxripper, or a relevent thread.............
Man, you need to make the effort to read, pinned, post above (especially the main post) in a thread...
difference between 111 and 111d from the first post!!!
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jan 12 2007, 11:41 PM)
The 111/112 series has three models: The 111/112D that burns +/-R double layer up to 8X (112 @ 10x
); The 111/112 which adds the DVD-RAM feature ; and the 111/112L which adds DVD-Ram and lightscribe. The additional features of the 111/112 and 111/112L will have little to no impact on X360 burning. plse do not buy a drive to do wxripper, it is like buying misery. you would still need to extract the ss.bin with your x360 drive. Again in the pinned, you can get drives like the shd162c that will do the entire backup with one click.
suggest you start a thorough reading of Backup Faq - Everything* You Need To Know PLEASE READ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS! .
rgds, soso
Post by: R155 on April 25, 2007, 09:48:00 PM
plug and play via usb caddy
pioneer all the way - nice and simple
Post by: sosotiit on April 26, 2007, 05:05:00 AM
rgds, soso
Post by: J_star on May 05, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
is there any difrence between, Pioneer DVR-112DBK or Pioneer DVR-112D.
I think they BK stands for black?
Post by: sosotiit on May 05, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
-soso
Post by: omar_rawashdeh on October 10, 2007, 04:22:00 AM
I got a DVR 212d (sata) and burned 2 discs. Both of them work fine and I was able to finish the first game without any real problems. The issue I am having is when running a disc quality check with nero's cd/dvd tool I end up with a quality score of zero. Its 99 up until about 50% ( I guess first layer) and then drops down to zero and lists a big number of errors. I wonder what is happening here? Upgraded to latest firmware (1.22) and using imgburn , anyone else having similar problems?
Forgot to add , this is on verbatim media burned at 2.4x , connected to an nforce 4 board.
This post has been edited by omar_rawashdeh: Oct 10 2007, 11:26 AM
Post by: sosotiit on February 03, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 12, 2007, 03:11:00 AM
Post by: warlock110 on November 04, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
QUOTE(omar_rawashdeh @ Oct 10 2007, 11:22 AM)
Well I just wanted to add my experience here,
I got a DVR 212d (sata) and burned 2 discs. Both of them work fine and I was able to finish the first game without any real problems. The issue I am having is when running a disc quality check with nero's cd/dvd tool I end up with a quality score of zero. Its 99 up until about 50% ( I guess first layer) and then drops down to zero and lists a big number of errors. I wonder what is happening here? Upgraded to latest firmware (1.22) and using imgburn , anyone else having similar problems?
Forgot to add , this is on verbatim media burned at 2.4x , connected to an nforce 4 board.
Quality scores depends on highest PIE amount, it's not really accurate in a sense that if you have a spike of high PIE it drops the number down to 0. What that means is that even though 99.9% of the disc is great, there's gonna be that .01% that's probably not readable. With that being said, 8.7GB of data, it really depends on that .01% and where it is, most of the time it probably won't matter.
The other thing to look at is the "average PIE". it really tells you over all how good the burn is.
The reason you get a spike @ 50% is that all DL behaves like that, at and after the layer break the error just sky rocket. pretty wierd IMO.
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 05, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
Post by: Caelum on November 14, 2007, 07:58:00 AM
The layer break itself is not where you'll find problems, as there is no data stored in the layer break at all.
It all depends on a number of factors, parity for sure is ONE such factor, but then you have Jitter etc come into play aswell.
Some liteon burners can read back jitter, beta, etc readings, but not all. I'm guessing it is the same in the plextor came.
BenQ burners are up there aswell, personally i find them better for scanning than the liteons, when we're talking the 1620, 1640, 1650(and 1655) burners.
the 1670 changed to a panasonic chipset however, from memory.
Post by: chem reliant on November 15, 2007, 12:46:00 PM
My problem is that I only have a laptop available to me. I was thinking about the external version of the pioneer 112.. or potentially enclosing a drive properly.
even though i dont know anything about the topic, it just feels as though an external drive would preform pretty poorly.
opinions?
I can't keep relying on my friend to help me create backups any longer!
thanks!
-Adam
PS: if there is a different external that is successful, please let me know
Post by: vtikha on February 12, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
I got the Pioneer DVR-115DSV, went to try straight away to backup an XBOX360 game as people say pioneers should not need firmare upgrade but failed. I tried using Schtrom360Xtract_V3.4 but did not achieve anything.
I m not quite sure what to do, on the rpc1 site for firmwares mentioned in the first post i could only find Pioneer DVR-115 - 1.18 RPC-2. I m pretty sure this would not work with mine.
Any ideas on how I can proceed? other software/firmware and so on?
Many thanks
Post by: finalfantasy7 on February 13, 2008, 08:47:00 AM
QUOTE(vtikha @ Feb 12 2008, 05:34 PM)
Hi guys,
I got the Pioneer DVR-115DSV, went to try straight away to backup an XBOX360 game as people say pioneers should not need firmare upgrade but failed. I tried using Schtrom360Xtract_V3.4 but did not achieve anything.
I m not quite sure what to do, on the rpc1 site for firmwares mentioned in the first post i could only find Pioneer DVR-115 - 1.18 RPC-2. I m pretty sure this would not work with mine.
Any ideas on how I can proceed? other software/firmware and so on?
Many thanks
I have a similar question. Can this DVD writer actually backup games too or will I need a diffrent DVD reader to create backups and then use this writer to burn backups.
Post by: EZYESS57 on February 14, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: xCAUSALITYx on February 28, 2008, 02:05:00 AM
QUOTE(chem reliant @ Nov 15 2007, 08:22 PM)
Hello. This is a great thread!
My problem is that I only have a laptop available to me. I was thinking about the external version of the pioneer 112.. or potentially enclosing a drive properly.
even though i dont know anything about the topic, it just feels as though an external drive would preform pretty poorly.
opinions?
I can't keep relying on my friend to help me create backups any longer!
thanks!
-Adam
PS: if there is a different external that is successful, please let me know
Hi,
I had the same issue as you, I tried the Pioneer 111 which always gave me mixed results.
Over the last week I have been trying out a new setup for my laptop and I did my first burn yesterday.
Check my post out here: New Setup
Hope it helps...!
Post by: X-hacker on March 03, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(poots @ Mar 8 2007, 02:41 PM)
Hi guys
Just ordered a Pioneer DVR 112D - and was wondering if anyone had any experience with it?
I have read as much as possible about the 111, but they were unavailible so i got the one up from it.
Do you think it will be pretty much the same? (which is what i expect)
Just so its not all take - i will be posting my personal experiences with it so you guys can add it to a list or something
peace.
poots
Yes, unfortunatley I have both the 111D & 112L. The 111D works flawlessly with pretty much any media (apart from the 10x datawrite that were complete $hite - never buy DL's on special offer)
My 112L fails every burn at 50% - even with verbatims. I've only had it since November last year, but I lost the damn receipt for it, so no return! Maybe just my luck to get the dodgy one outta the batch.
Just a quick one, has anyone else had this problem with the DVR-112L?
I've tried the following media:
Verbatim 2.4x
RiDisc
ZeroDefex
AONE & Mirror Media
All fail at 50% just as the drive is switching to the second layer.
AND FINALLY, another question. I see lots of people using Nero CD/DVD speed to test the quality of their burns/drives, and all seem to read the entire disc (layers 0 & 1).
I have 4 Pioneer drives, DVR-108, DVR-109, DVR-111D, and DVR-112L and none of them will run the test past the first layer, the program just gives me an error and seems to halt reading at exactly 3737Mb into the disc. I know that my DVR-111D is fine, not had any trouble. I just can't get Nero to read past the first layer ----- STRANGE!
Anyone any ideas?
Post by: X-hacker on March 03, 2008, 05:23:00 AM
QUOTE(EZYESS57 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:27 PM) 
Can someone point me to a pioneer 112L burner with lightscribe. All I've been able to come across are the 112 and the 112d. Pioneer's site has a lightscribe burner but it is a 113kg. Thanks in advance!
113Kg? Jeez, thats weighs more than me! You can just buy either the DVR-112 or DVR-112D and cross-flash the drive with the DVR-112L firmware which has lightscribe capabilities, I still have the firmware flash pack on my desktop. I've found that most of the DVR-112 (D)(L) & (DBK) can be cross-flashed between the different drive firmwares. Check out http://www.rpc1.org, or search google for "The Dangerous Brothers"
QUOTE(enfolded @ Feb 25 2008, 01:29 PM)
Does anyone know the difference (specifically for purposes of burning backups) between the Pioneer 112D and the Pioneer 112BK?
I see a lot of recommendations for the 111D and 112D, as well as mentions for similar models 112 and 112L, but the only Pioneer models I can find at my local electronics store are the 112BK and 212BK.
Any idea if either of those would do the job just as well as the usual models?
Like I said above, most of the 112 series burners can be cross-flashed between different firmwares, meaning you can buy a 112D and cross-flash it to the 112L firmware. There are only a few small differences between the types, eg. one firmware causes windows to detect the drive as a DVDRAM. The firmware I use on my dead/dying 112L has lightscribe capabilities. I've done quite a bit of firmware tinkering with DVDRW and have a fair knowledge of Pioneers right back from the DVR-A03 (God rest its soul).
If anyone wants to try a different firmware on their DVR-111 or DVR-112, gimme a shout as I have some cross-flash packs for these drives.
Anyways, enough rambling, back to work for now... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Post by: korgoth on July 09, 2008, 03:04:00 AM
Post by: juggy273 on January 18, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
any ideas - is there a newer firmware?
what do you figure the issue is??
here is imgburn log
burning at 2.4x
verbatim are rated to 0x but are the 2.4x discs (mkm-001-000)
>>>
I 15:20:27 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 started!
I 15:20:27 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
I 15:20:27 Total Physical Memory: 1,048,096 KB - Available: 589,512 KB
I 15:20:41 Initialising SPTI...
I 15:20:41 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 15:20:42 Found 1 DVD±RW!
I 15:20:53 Operation Started!
I 15:20:53 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\Kevin\Desktop\image.dvd
I 15:20:53 Source File Sectors: 4,155,840 (MODE1/2048)
I 15:20:53 Source File Size: 8,511,160,320 bytes
I 15:20:53 Source File Volume Identifier: image
I 15:20:53 Source File File System(s): None
I 15:20:53 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-116D 1.09 (D (ATA)
I 15:20:53 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 15:20:53 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 15:20:53 Write Mode: DVD
I 15:20:53 Write Type: DAO
I 15:20:53 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 15:20:53 Link Size: Auto
I 15:20:53 Test Mode: No
I 15:20:53 OPC: No
I 15:20:53 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 15:20:54 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,084,960
I 15:21:15 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 15:21:16 Writing LeadIn...
I 15:21:17 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4155839)
I 15:21:17 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4155839)
I 15:21:17 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2084959)
I 15:42:59 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2084960 - 4155839)
W 15:49:18 Failed to Write Sectors 2638752 - 2638783 - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 15:49:18 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 15:49:18 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 17:00:22 Failed to Write Sectors 2638752 - 2638783 - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 17:00:22 Next Writable Address: 2638032
I 17:00:22 Synchronising Cache...
W 17:00:25 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
E 17:00:25 Failed to Write Image!
Post by: sosotiit on January 18, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(juggy273 @ Jan 18 2009, 12:58 PM)
I 15:20:54 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,084,960
??? How have you done the backup?
-which software,
-and drive to rip?
soso
Post by: Skylarkman on February 09, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
QUOTE(enfolded @ Feb 25 2008, 07:29 AM)
Does anyone know the difference (specifically for purposes of burning backups) between the Pioneer 112D and the Pioneer 112BK?
I see a lot of recommendations for the 111D and 112D, as well as mentions for similar models 112 and 112L, but the only Pioneer models I can find at my local electronics store are the 112BK and 212BK.
Any idea if either of those would do the job just as well as the usual models?
All the BK means is that the drive is Black
Post by: Benzetzu on February 12, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
The drives are relatively cheap, so I have a 116D on the way, just in case it really is just this 216D drive that is faulty, but maybe I just have the wrong FW or something...?
Post by: DimitroffVodka on February 14, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
Not sure of your problem but I also own a DVR-116D with its firmware updated to 1.09 and can burn Verbatim media fine at 2.4x with no problems.
Post by: Delta Charlie on May 10, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jan 18 2009, 01:20 PM)
??? How have you done the backup?
-which software,
-and drive to rip?
soso
It says "user specified" but its not actually specified by the user itself. I think this value is calculated by ImgBurn itself (since it always says something like this message in the log when the setting in the Build> Page 1 is set to Layer Break for DL Media > Calculate Optimal).
Post by: Delta Charlie on May 11, 2009, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: 27 on October 20, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
so tell me - have any of you had experience with this particular model of pioneer dvd drive ? will it work ?
edit: i just found this on the poineer website, some spefications
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/archive...-108/index.html
-27
This post has been edited by 27: Oct 20 2009, 10:55 PM
Post by: OooNANDOooO on February 04, 2010, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Benzetzu @ Feb 13 2009, 02:29 AM)
I recently purchased a Pioneer DVR-216D (Firmware 1.09) and started having burning problems right away. I didn't know if it was the media I was using (Verbatim) or the drive itself, so I tested burning CD and DVD data discs, which worked fine, but with DVD+R DL, I'd get the 'power calibration' error before much of anything was written. I tested it out with ImgBurn, CDclone, and Nero with DL discs from two different Verbatim spindles, with the same results. Is it possible that the drive can burn CD and DVD formats, but not DL? Has that come up before?
The drives are relatively cheap, so I have a 116D on the way, just in case it really is just this 216D drive that is faulty, but maybe I just have the wrong FW or something...?
Hi Benzetzu,
I also got this drive (DVR-216DBK) and I am now getting "Power Calibration Area Error, CDB: Send DVD Structure"
I currently can't burn any type of media or data. I tried the latest firmware, google, etc.
Did you get it to work?