Post by: jesterrace777 on January 08, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
Here goes:
Once again the first thing to learn about media (and D/L media in this case) is the fact that MOST LABELS DO NOT MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN DISCS!!!!!!!!!!! They outsource to one or more manufacturers. This can create serious problems as it is very easy for someone to say pick up Memorex D/L DVD+R and say that it worked great for them and someone else can pick up a different spindle of the same label and not have it work. There are a number of other factors which I will get into later but the fact is that one spindle of Memorex could easily be made by CMC Magnetics and one could easily be made by Ritek. Two different manufacturers with different quality standards for manufacturing media. So you could easily be buying two totally different brands even though they both carry the Memorex label. This is why a number of the media compatibility threads on this forum are so frustrating as they only list the external label and NOT who really makes them which is a much better indication of quality. The easiest way to idenitify the media manufacturer is to use a program such as http://www.dvdinfopro.com and select the media ID icon after popping in the disc that you desire to get the manufacturer information from. Before we go any further it should be noted that I will only cover D/L DVD+R here. D/L DVD-R as a whole is a format that is worthless and overpriced, NOT TO MENTION IT WON'T WORK ON ANY OF THE 360 DRIVES!!!!!!!!! Another thing that should be noted is that this guide not only applies to the XBOX 360 DVD-ROM drives but to ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS AS WELL!!!!!!!!!! Okay now let's start with the various media manufacturers:
THE ONLY D/L DVD+R MANUFACTUER I CAN RECOMMEND WITH CONFIDENCE:
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media -The current valid media ID codes from these gentlemen are MKM001 (official 2.4x rated media that will burn at up to 8x on most late model burners) and MKM003 media (official 8x rated media that will burn up to 10x on some burners). This is what you will find on Verbatim D/L discs at this point. Makes sense since Verbatim is owned by MKM. MKM has by far the most experience making D/L media and definitely stands out from it's competitors in this regaurd both in compatibility and durability. Part of this has to do with the fact that most burner manufacturers have used MKM (Verbatim) media to bench test their burners and help develop specs so it has the widest range of support from all burners. There are other labels besides Verbatim that carry MKM BUT THESE CAN BE REALLY DICEY!!!!!! Part of the problem is verifying authenticity. The easiest way to tell weather or not a given label is genuine MKM is to check the box/spindle and see which country produced them. ALL AUTHENTIC MKM IS PRODUCED IN SINGAPORE!!!!!!!! So if you see any other country on there then they are either some other manufacturer or FAKED. It is possible for Verbatim to outsource to other manufacturers in the future so keep an eye on the country of origin each time you purchase them. That being said as it sits right now Verbatim will offer you the least amount of hassle of any D/L media out there as they are currently all produced by MKM. For those of you who are convinced that these discs are too expensive just remember that they are still FAR CHEAPER than purchasing another original disc and sales on them often put them down into the range where there is very little difference in price between them and their cheaper quality counterparts. For those of you who would like some proof of what kind of results you can generally expect from MKM (Verbatim) have a look at the following collection of error rate scans from various users at cdfreaks:
http://club.cdfreaks...ead.php?t=97058
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=152852
THE FOLLOWING MEDIA ARE HIT AND MISS, SO USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!!!!! THE RESULTS OF THESE CAN VARRY QUITE A BIT DEPENDING ON BURNER/FIRMWARE AND THE DEVICE WITH WHICH YOU ARE PLAYING THEM ON. ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE HITACHI DRIVES IN THE 360 HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE MORE FUSSY THAN THE TOSHIBA-SAMSUNG DRIVES!!!!!!!!!!
RITEK-Outside of MKM they have been producing D/L DVD+R the longest. Unfortunately the quality standards and lack of firmware support from a number of burners makes them a real gamble. RitekD01 is the code found on their 2.4x official rated D/L DVD+R and unlike the Verbatim 2.4x they don't overspeed very well. The D/L Ritek D01 media ID code CAN BE found on the following labels: Ritek, Ridata, Memorex, Traxdata, Tuffdisc, Ridisc, Fujifilm. Ritek also has some official 8x rated media
Here is a scan thread at cdfreaks for those who are interested:
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=101326
RICOH-Manfactured by Ritek under standards and specifications by Ricoh, these media are becoming as widespread among the D/L media industry as the Ritek discs. Ricoh also has the same quality varriables as Ritek but they also have an additional thorn in their side. Ricoh JPN-D00-01, which is their media ID code for their official 2.4x rated D/L DVD+R, is the most widely faked D/L media ID code on the market. What this means is that cheap chinese and hong kong manufacturers such as INFOSMART are making their media and then stealing Ricoh's basic media ID code and putting it on their discs so that when you run such programs as DVD info Pro, you will see the Ricoh JPN-D00-01 code coming up under media manufacturer. Once again the surest way to avoid the fakes is to check the country of origin. ALL RICOH MEDIA IS PRODUCED UNDER CONTRACT WITH RITEK IN TAIWAN!!!!!!!! So if the discs are made in any other country and still claim the Ricoh media ID code then you know they are fakes. Ricoh CAN BE found on the following labels: Imation, Memorex, ANY CHINESE OR HONG KONG MANUFACTURER TRYING TO STEAL THEIR ID CODE. Here are a couple of tests of the media at cdfreaks:
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=127175
CMC MAGNETICS-Another D/L manufacturer that is on the rise is CMC Magnetics. As with the other two though, it's compatibility/quality depends on a number of variables. CMC MAG D01 is the official 2.4x media ID code and CMC MAG D04 is their official 8x media ID code. CMC MAG CAN BE found on the following labels: Phillips, HP, Bulqpaq, Datasafe, Ridisc. Here are the quality scans:
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=169283
The remaining D/L manufacturers are the likes of Infosmart in Hong Kong/China who manufacture the lowest quality garbage and then have to try to steal media ID codes from other manuacturers to sell their media. Simple rule is ANY media that is made in China/Hong Kong should be avoided at all costs.
FOR USERS IN UK/EUROPE YOU FOLKS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HEADACHE!!!!!!!! You have the lovely E-Net labels to content with. E-Net is a budget media distributor who grabs whatever media they can find and slap their own labels on it. The problem is not that the media is always crap, it's simply inconsistant. That and they will often grab B-Grade stocks from manufacturers, do overprints, ect. So in addition to the fact that you never know what manufacturer to expect from spindle to spindle you also have to worry about overprints, grade quality, ect. Seen it happen so many times where E-net will sucker people in by releasing some decent quality stuff to start a new media label/line and then when they hook a bunch of people they swap out to another manufacturer, lower grade, ect. This applies to both SINGLE LAYER AND DOUBLE LAYER DVD+R!!!!!!!!!!!! The lovely E-net labels to watch out for are the following: Datawrite, Datasafe, Ridisc, Rivision, Bulqpaq, Tuffdisc and White Label.
I have tried to be as comprehensive as possible here and if you happen to find one of the above store labels with a different ID code than I have listed or a new media manufacturer, please feel free to add it to the list. Unfortunately brand name labels have no loyalty so this will be a work in progress.
Post by: sosotiit on January 08, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
For all those interested in scanning your Dvd after a burn a good tool is Nero CD-DVD Speed (freeware available here and as part of NERO).
Not all DVD burners are good scanners, i.e. unfortunately the Pioneer is not recognize as a very reliable scanner.
Brands that are recognized for that ability are LiteOn, Benq (Up to the 1655 I believe), Plextor and a few others.
You can find a lot of info on what makes a good scan at http://club.cdfreaks.com/. Some good starter info in the Media Testing/Identifying Software and Blank DVD Media Tests forums
rgds,soso
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 08, 2007, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on January 08, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2007, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: bassv2 on January 09, 2007, 12:40:00 AM
A lot of stuff that say "MAde in Taiwan" are made in China...
They're made in China, shipped to Taiwan for a stamp, then shipped off again.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2007, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: darkside2911 on January 23, 2007, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 24, 2007, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: jon_jon on January 26, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
With Verbatim having announced they will produce their DVD+R DL discs out of India beginning February, are people stocking up on the MIS Verbatims?
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 26, 2007, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(jon_jon @ Jan 26 2007, 11:47 PM) 
MIS Sony's are hard to come by in North America. They probably are easier to find in Europe and Asia.
With Verbatim having announced they will produce their DVD+R DL discs out of India beginning February, are people stocking up on the MIS Verbatims?
Crap, didn't know about that. I would definitely stock up then. Sorry but I don't trust Moser Baer with something as delicate as D/L media production.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 29, 2007, 11:58:00 AM
Okay it looks as though it is confirmed that Verbatim will start outsourcing it's D/L media to Moser Baer in India, HOWEVER, MKM in Singapore will still produce SOME of the media that is out there. The easiest way to make sure of what you are buying before you purchase is to look at the spindles for the country of origin. MKM=MADE IN SINGAPORE, Moser Baer=MADE IN INDIA. Of course this creates a bit of a problem when you purchase online as you have no way of telling what you are getting before you purchase. The good news is that this is supposed to help drive the overall prices on the media down so you can get MIS Verbatim for cheaper, it just means you have to buy local and keep an eye out for the country of origin.
http://wesleytech.com/verbatim-outsources-...ction-to-india/
This post has been edited by jesterrace777: Jan 29 2007, 08:15 PM
Post by: kyza1 on January 31, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
Peace
Post by: twboy1999 on February 08, 2007, 10:51:00 PM
i am a newbie here
just wondering, anyone have any luck with philips Dual layer Dvd+R?
cuz is mad crazy cheap in canada rite now.. on sale at futureshop
thanks
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 09, 2007, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: KiDx on February 10, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
This post has been edited by KiDx: Feb 11 2007, 01:18 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 10, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
This post has been edited by jesterrace777: Feb 11 2007, 01:27 AM
Post by: kidman64 on February 13, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 14, 2007, 12:11:00 AM
Good to know about the manufacturer though as previously they have all been CMC produced.
Post by: damam on April 03, 2007, 11:45:00 AM
Has there been a serious decline in the quality of verbatim DL's or has verbatim made them stick to the same level of quality as there singapore plant?
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 03, 2007, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: ricflairandy on April 15, 2007, 02:46:00 PM
Going to call into the local media shop tomorrow and get some cheapish disks to tide me over. What would you guys reccomened from the following
MediaRange MR460 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (10 TUB)
£7.35 inc VAT
RiDisc Xtreme 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (25 TUB)
£19.95 inc VAT
Datawrite Titanium 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (10 TUB)
£9.10 inc VAT
RiDisc 8x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (10 TUB)
£7.40 £8.70 inc VAT
Arita RITEK 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (25 PACK)
£21.95
Bulkpaq 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (25 TUB)
£16.75 inc VAT
RiDisc Xtreme 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (10 TUB)
£8.95 inc VAT
RiDisc 2.4x Speed (DUAL LAYER+R) Branded 8.5GB DVD+R (10 TUB)
£8.70 inc VAT
thanks
Post by: swampy1111 on April 15, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 16, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
This post has been edited by jesterrace777: Apr 16 2007, 06:50 PM
Post by: ricflairandy on April 16, 2007, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Apr 16 2007, 06:20 PM) 
Actually I've seen plenty of complaints about them on cdfreaks and I trust their reviews far more than the scammers who frequent bigpockets (nice long list of complaints about that site as well). @ricflairandy, you need to read the first link in my sig and be patient and wait for the Verbs. None of those discs that you listed are worth wasting money on.
I got some printable bulkpaq. They seem ok, must have goten lucky. They are the 01 diye.
Also got some ridisc and they are the 04. Havent tried them yet
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 16, 2007, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: mirko on May 25, 2007, 06:23:00 AM
Post by: doityourself on July 30, 2007, 04:40:00 AM
Post by: phrane on July 31, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
A first class thesis clearly demonstrating not only why the "Mitsubishi Kagaku Media" discs are a must for the 360, but also the necessity of supplying our hardware good media in general.
Many times i've winced at the sound of dvd drives scratching and jerking back n forth just trying to read data of a freshly burned disc... wondering just how long before the drive collapased altogether!
After 8 or so years as a Ritek only disciple (from G03 days) blindy using it across all my hardware, its time to re-assess that approach, and instead start to optimize the media for the target hardware in hand.
For X360, the media of choice is clear.
Excellent post!!
(ps, i'm hearing some chatter regarding A1 discs, and that they great media for 360. Sound like they could also be MKM - singapore also...)
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 31, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 02, 2007, 03:48:00 AM
Post by: Trendsetta101 on August 06, 2007, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 06, 2007, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Trendsetta101 @ Aug 7 2007, 03:34 AM)
HP DL DVD work great. They are about as good as Verbs
Nice, I love how people don't even bother reading my first post before posting in this thread.
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 14, 2007, 02:05:00 PM
Okay in an effort to keep up with the on-going changes in manufacturing here are a couple of new additions:
1. As has been mentioned elsewhere, Verbatim has started outsourcing SOME of it's production to Moser Baer in India. Thus far the majority of the Made in India (MII) discs are being found in the 50 packs at Sam's Club but they have started showing up in other quantities elsewhere. The MII discs do carry the MKM dyes and codes like their Singapore produced counterparts but unfortunately the manufacturing and quality standards seem to be falling short of their Singapore produced counterparts. So at this point I still recommend only buying the Singapore produced Verbatims.
2. On the upside there is a new quality alternative to the Verbatims. The deal is that SOME of the Sony DL DVD+R 25 packs are now being produced by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media (MKM) in Singapore. So they are the EXACT SAME DISCS as the Verbatim Made In Singapore (MIS). The catch is that you will have to go to the store and actually search for the MIS DL Sonys, ordering them online at this point is too much of a gamble since it is still very likely that you would end up with the Taiwanese produced junk (ie Ritek or Ricoh). The country of origin can usually be found on the spindle right around the UPC symbol. When BB had a sale on them a week or two ago, I went down and sifted through about 20 packs and ended up finding only 2 that were MIS. Others from around the country are reporting similar findings. Since they have just started outsourcing to MKM in Singapore, it will take a while before most see them in any large quantities at their local stores. However, when they go on sale for $30 it is well worth the effort to sort through the discs.
Post by: emcdemc on August 25, 2007, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: emcdemc on August 25, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 26, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: brilliantdonkey on August 30, 2007, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 31, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
QUOTE(brilliantdonkey @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 AM)
How much worse are the Made in India Verbatims compared to the ones made in Singapore? I just bought some from BB that are Indian-made, but I don't know if they're still worth using. :-/
Honestly it all varies from spindle to spindle and there really is no way to tell for 100% sure until you crack it open and look at the discs. There are some who have reported that there is precious little difference between the MII Verbatims and the MIS Verbatims. On the other hand there are a number of people who have reported finding a number of visible defects (ie discs that come from the factory badly scratched/spotted, fingerprints smudged all over them) and even worse are some of the error rate scans which are showing 2x-3x the number of errors than their MIS counterparts. Bottom line if you end up with a good MII spindle then there really isn't much to worry about, but if you end up with a bad one then you are almost better off getting lower quality media. It's all luck of the draw with MII Verbatim hence the reason why I tell so many people to stick to the MIS stuff.
Post by: totoz on September 04, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on September 04, 2007, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: drxgonzo on September 19, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
Since I started I have only ever used Infiniti 360 disks. I really have had no real issues but I am keen to remove any possible issues. I have just updated to the newer firmware for my 111d and am now considering a new type of disk. It is clear everyone praises the Virbs but they really are overpriced and I like the full face print of the 360. Anyone got anymore info? 'm keen to know what other members have experienced using these disks.
Post by: jesterrace777 on September 20, 2007, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: B4tm4n on September 20, 2007, 04:24:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Sep 20 2007, 07:00 AM)
Pop a blank one of your Infiniti discs in and use http://www.dvdinfopro.com so we could at least tell which manufacturer makes them. The reviews I have seen thus far on the Infiniti discs are pretty mixed but I will try to dig up some scans for them on cdfreaks for you.
I got this info off the SVP site:
Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (8x) DVD+R : ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01
Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (2.4x) DVD+R : ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND00
Post by: DarrenR on September 20, 2007, 06:31:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on September 20, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(B4tm4n @ Sep 20 2007, 12:00 PM)
I got this info off the SVP site:
Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (8x) DVD+R : ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01
Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (2.4x) DVD+R : ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND00
So they appear to be Ricoh made. That being said the media ID code is widely faked, so you would also have to check the country of origin to be sure. If they aren't made in Taiwan, THEY ARE NOT RICOH!!!!!
Post by: jesterrace777 on September 23, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
http://www.ricohpmmc.../technology.asp
Post by: sosotiit on September 23, 2007, 06:55:00 AM
The SL on the left, middle would be Verb DL, and right is DL for all other manufacturers
(picture taken from ricoh site as per link above)
thks, soso
Post by: jesterrace777 on September 23, 2007, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: Bahnzo on October 13, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: rhlblue on October 13, 2007, 10:07:00 PM
haha this is really funny.....
yesterday i bought my first DVD+R DL to burn a xbox360 game (original backup
)some time back the dual layer blank discs used to be very expensive......but now they are gettin really cheap...
i got it for $3.2 US
$12.5 US for 5 discs pack
now today i finally started to burn the backup.....but i'm not able to do that...
I used everything from XBC to CloneCD to DVD Decrypter etc.....
but when i start the burning it gives me this error :
QUOTE
Power Calibration Area Error
so no hope......... I have a Sony DVD RW Q-120A PY3
and i never burned a Dual layer disc before with this!
now the funny part is that i live in new delhi......and i bought the Moser Baer dvd...
after looking at the first post of this topic the first thing i saw was that my disc is made in India
now i did the dvdinfo scan and this is what i get :
CODE
Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNID0
Media Product Revision Number 43h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 4253024256
Free Capacity 7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type DVD+R DL
Media Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Layer 0 end sector 22D7FFh
Linear Density 0.293um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 2
Layer Track Path direction (OTP) Opposite track path
Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF ......2.........
00000010 00 22 D7 FF 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 .".....RICOHJPND
00000020 30 31 43 40 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 01C@%%7..,l.,l .
00000030 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 ....... . ......
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNID0
Media Product Revision Number 43h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 4253024256
Free Capacity 7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type DVD+R DL
Media Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Layer 0 end sector 22D7FFh
Linear Density 0.293um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 2
Layer Track Path direction (OTP) Opposite track path
Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF ......2.........
00000010 00 22 D7 FF 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 .".....RICOHJPND
00000020 30 31 43 40 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 01C@%%7..,l.,l .
00000030 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 ....... . ......
so i thought that my disc is FAKE.......but then after reading more i saw that its official manufactured here.....
so this means that I have an original RICOHJPND dvd ? .....and also that its very much near to Verbatim?
i know its my dvd writer which is giving the error......but just want to make sure that what i got is original......oh yea and btw......i also got 100% replacement warranty with the disc !
so......what i have is original ? .......and do u think that its really my dvd writer which is not able to burn the dvd or does it have any manufacturing defect?.....because its still in warranty period !
thanks
EDIT: i forgot to mention that after so many unsuccessful tries to burn the disc......i expected it to get corrupt and stop working.....but i see its still empty and working fine.....that means my dvd is not wasted and i saved 3 bucks or its gonna give an error when i try to burn something else on it ?
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 14, 2007, 01:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Bahnzo @ Oct 13 2007, 02:07 PM)
So I got some verbs the other day mail order, they are MII, but dvdinfopro reports them as MKM 001. Are these still quality disks, or MIS *only* for the verbs?
While they are the same dye and they are supposed to be similar quality standards, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME as the MIS stuff produced by MKM's home plant in Singapore. Deal is that some of the spindles are actually pretty comparable to the MIS stuff, but the others are actually worse than some of the budget quality media (ie Ritek, CMC Mag, Ricoh), so it's kind of luck of the draw on MII stuff. Here is an interesting read on some personal experiences with MII DL Verb media with the scans to boot.
http://club.cdfreaks.....ks Sam's Club
Post by: Toddler on October 14, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 14, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: rhlblue on October 14, 2007, 08:42:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Oct 15 2007, 01:48 AM) 
Quite frankly unless you can find one that is MIS, there is no option worth spending money on. Verbatim and Sony are the only two labels that I know that carry MIS MKM as a DL Media Manufacturer.
so that means the one i bought here is useless ?
or not enough for a xbox360 game ?
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 15, 2007, 12:42:00 AM
QUOTE(rhlblue @ Oct 15 2007, 03:42 AM)
so that means the one i bought here is useless ?
or not enough for a xbox360 game ?
It means you bought cheap quality media and are taking a gamble with all of the following:
1. A disc that may or may not work
2. Killing your 360 DVD-ROM drive early
3. Getting a disc that works great now but fails a few months down the road
4. The possibility of getting fakes
Post by: lachyzee on October 15, 2007, 11:40:00 PM
I bought these in Australia from the same guy who I got to flash my drive.
The website for the discs is http://www.intactmedia.com.au/.
They appear to be CMC Magnetics discs, media code CMC MAG D02 (which I do not see in the original post?).
10 burns so far at 2.4x on an LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N with no coasters, also tested on a Pioneer DVR-212. My 360 drive is a Hitachi 079.
Best thing about them is how cheap they are, I got 10 for AUD $17 (which is even cheaper than the listed online wholesale price, hmm).
So if you are in Aus and can find them, consider giving them a try.
Full DVDInfoPro info:
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID CMC MAG D02
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 4253024256
Free Capacity 7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type DVD+R DL
Media Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Layer 0 end sector 22D7FFh
Linear Density 0.293um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 2
Layer Track Path direction (OTP) Opposite track path
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 16, 2007, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: greg0u812 on October 28, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
QUOTE
Honestly it all varies from spindle to spindle and there really is no way to tell for 100% sure until you crack it open and look at the discs. There are some who have reported that there is precious little difference between the MII Verbatims and the MIS Verbatims. On the other hand there are a number of people who have reported finding a number of visible defects (ie discs that come from the factory badly scratched/spotted, fingerprints smudged all over them) and even worse are some of the error rate scans which are showing 2x-3x the number of errors than their MIS counterparts. Bottom line if you end up with a good MII spindle then there really isn't
much to worry about, but if you end up with a bad one then you are almost better off getting lower quality media. It's all luck of the draw with MII Verbatim hence the reason why I tell so many people to stick to the MIS stuff.This is just fan-freakin'-tastic!!!!
I finally get everything together......3 of my first 5 burns made wonderful coasters (didn't have the software set up properly). Changed up some software and used my last 2 Verb's to make two good backups. Went down to BB and picked up a 20 pack of Verbs (hey......know what I doing now
).Got to reading this thread and checked the 5 pack box (the one with 3 coaster in it now
) and find that box was MIS. Checked out the nice shiny new spindle of 20 (minus 4 working backups) and find that they are MII. 
I went through and did a "visual" on all the rest of the spindle and no smudges, scratches, fingerprints, etc....
So far so good. Guess I am going to be testing for longevity on this set (not trusting them now though). Looks like I will be going back to BB next week to find a spindle of MIS discs.
Thanks for all the info jester!!!!!
Post by: fatc2k3 on November 03, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 03, 2007, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(fatc2k3 @ Nov 3 2007, 04:19 PM)
So overall how do the Verbs MII MKM001 compare to the cheaper media. I have used quite a few Verbs MII and only had 1 Disk mess up but I dont want to pay over the odd prices if I would be to get the same results with a cheaper media??
As mentioned above it varries from spindle to spindle. Some of the MII stuff is much better than the cheaper media and some are much worse. If you decide to give some cheaper media a shot, Pick up some Ritek produced DL media. I wouldn't touch it myself but if you are bound and determined to go with cheaper media then it would probably be your best option.
Post by: warlock110 on November 03, 2007, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Nov 3 2007, 10:07 PM)
As mentioned above it varries from spindle to spindle. Some of the MII stuff is much better than the cheaper media and some are much worse. If you decide to give some cheaper media a shot, Pick up some Ritek produced DL media. I wouldn't touch it myself but if you are bound and determined to go with cheaper media then it would probably be your best option.
that's probably quality control issue, i bet in a few months when they solve those issue the MII will be as good as the MIS. anways virbatim is really good, their PI errors are very low (like in the .02 .03 average). compare to others sitting at .2 or .3
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 04, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
Post by: RichMR2 on November 05, 2007, 04:29:00 AM
I've been using Ritek discs for making my backups, the first 25 were great and not a single problem. So I ordered 100 more of them thinking they would be fine. Now, out of the first 25 of the new batch I have had a lot of bad writes, games which aren't recognised by the 360, games which boot then get stuck at the loading screens... Looking at the disc it seems to show finger print marks which wont come off, closer looking, to me, looks like it hasn't burnt to a few small places close together and is not actually a finger print, would this be right?
Post by: xier on November 06, 2007, 04:39:00 PM
Would you say they are Equal or just as good - or are the Verb's still better?
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 07, 2007, 03:04:00 AM
Post by: sportsgamer1984 on November 07, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: warlock110 on November 07, 2007, 11:32:00 PM
QUOTE(sportsgamer1984 @ Nov 8 2007, 07:11 AM)
I think he got that price from outpost.com (fry's electronics' website). If you have a fry's in your area, you can try calling them and there's a good chance it's the same price in-store. BTW, the price is $40 plus tax for a 25 pack.
I already checked, i made up a list of DL media + stores + prices, then I drive around town n check it out, it's really on luck, most of the Sony are made in taiwan around my place (about 4-5 different stores that carry them). so again, just your luck.
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 08, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: xier on November 08, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
I must have Several of "BAD ISO's" (Viva P, Conan and Ralley Revo) - becuase i'm haivng problems where I burn all is successful on the burn but disks are not readable on the 360. I don't think its the media -but I plan to test with a few Verb's to ensure.
I used mullet to check ISO's prior to burn and they come up OK -so weird...
Post by: sportsgamer1984 on November 08, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(xier @ Nov 8 2007, 10:28 PM)
Just got back on town - Yes Fry's is where I found them - They had 30+ Taiwan - but I was able to find 8 packs made in Sing.
I must have Several of "BAD ISO's" (Viva P, Conan and Ralley Revo) - becuase i'm haivng problems where I burn all is successful on the burn but disks are not readable on the 360. I don't think its the media -but I plan to test with a few Verb's to ensure.
I used mullet to check ISO's prior to burn and they come up OK -so weird...
What program are you using to burn the games and have u played other backups that have worked? The Sony's made in singapore are the exact same as verbs made in singapore, so you may want to find out if you're doing anything wrong before you use your verbs because you'll just end up with more coasters.
Post by: DeVante on November 08, 2007, 08:30:00 PM
After reading this entire thread, I have one question:
Does this mean that any DL discs made in Singapore are equally as good as the Verbatim (MIS)?
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 09, 2007, 01:54:00 AM
Post by: xier on November 09, 2007, 08:30:00 AM
I'm using Image Burn - have a Pioneer 112D - I have 15 GOOD burn's - that are a combo of Verb's and 10 Sony's -- but all of a sudden I got 2 in a row that stuck at 81%.... then said Buffer Overflow and died. These were burned at 2.X so I'm pretty sure it was not a buffer overflow - PC is a QuadCore etc... and was doing nothing but burning. I get my stuff from the News Groups - and Conan is one that I have tried 2 times now with the same result. TConan has the .dvd file and the .iso file.
Then I got a few that burned successfully and xbox would say "Cant Read - Clean Disk" and a few that would come up as bad on the Xbox.
Question - What do you do if the Download only has a .dvd file and a 000 file vs a ISO file? Do you need th change it or will it work?
Question - Also if a file does not have the .dvd file - is that also a prolblem? I have VIVA Pinata that only has a .iso file and I tried twice to burn and got "CLEAN DISK" error.
Post by: warlock110 on November 09, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(xier @ Nov 9 2007, 04:30 PM)
Sports -
I'm using Image Burn - have a Pioneer 112D - I have 15 GOOD burn's - that are a combo of Verb's and 10 Sony's -- but all of a sudden I got 2 in a row that stuck at 81%.... then said Buffer Overflow and died. These were burned at 2.X so I'm pretty sure it was not a buffer overflow - PC is a QuadCore etc... and was doing nothing but burning. I get my stuff from the News Groups - and Conan is one that I have tried 2 times now with the same result. TConan has the .dvd file and the .iso file.
Then I got a few that burned successfully and xbox would say "Cant Read - Clean Disk" and a few that would come up as bad on the Xbox.
Question - What do you do if the Download only has a .dvd file and a 000 file vs a ISO file? Do you need th change it or will it work?
Question - Also if a file does not have the .dvd file - is that also a prolblem? I have VIVA Pinata that only has a .iso file and I tried twice to burn and got "CLEAN DISK" error.
i'm pretty sure this is pirating?
Post by: xier on November 09, 2007, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: J_star on November 11, 2007, 06:54:00 AM
Now i read that the are rebranded disk, so the quality are littlebit worse, but if you look at the price, i wonder is it worth the risk, if ells im going to stay with ritek's frome philips and memorex.
I find memorex to expensive.
Burning with a Pioneer 112D.
Link to the reseller: http://www.opus.nl/p...?...=310&gid=29
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 11, 2007, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(xier @ Nov 9 2007, 10:25 PM)
Really - I donated to Image Burn so I think I'm ok - but thanks for your insight.
He's talking about DOWNLOADING, which is strictly forbidden to be discussed here. IMG Burn is freeware so there is no issue there, but the way in which you obtained the game is.
QUOTE(J_star @ Nov 11 2007, 03:30 PM)
I want to buy a Arita double layer DVD+R 8.5Gb 2.4x / 25-pack for 18,40 . These are Ritek D01, thats the same as mamorex, Witch are also Retek D01 and workt o.k.
Now i read that the are rebranded disk, so the quality are littlebit worse, but if you look at the price, i wonder is it worth the risk, if ells im going to stay with ritek's frome philips and memorex.
I find memorex to expensive.
Burning with a Pioneer 112D.
Link to the reseller: http://www.opus.nl/p...?...=310&gid=29
If the Ritek discs work so well for you, then why not track down some unbranded ones. You should be able to find them for that price. I for one will not touch anything other than MKM in Singapore for a manufacturer, but I understand that since you are in Europe you pay rip-off prices for any computer/electronic items.
Post by: $tate on November 11, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
I got a TS drive, which you say is not as 'fussy' as hitachi but I just want your opinion on them.
Here's a link:
http://www.take2.co.za/product.php?id=2708937
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 11, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE($tate @ Nov 11 2007, 07:07 PM)
@jesterrace777. What do you think of HP DVD+R DL media? I know obviously it not as good as Verbs, but are they alright?
I got a TS drive, which you say is not as 'fussy' as hitachi but I just want your opinion on them.
Here's a link:
http://www.take2.co.....php?id=2708937
They are manufactured by CMC Mag. Once again I will not touch ANYTHING other than a MIS MKM DL DVD+R disc for DL media simply because I refuse to play russian roulette with anything as pricey as DL media and I am anal retentive about having discs that last as long as possible and that I can use them with any burner/firmware, drive, application, ect. CMC Mag DL seem to fall below Ritek DL in general but there are some that for their particular setup CMC Mag DL works better than Ritek DL. Hence once again the problem with the lower grade of DL media manufacturers and why I don't trust or recommend them to anyone, since the results are virtually impossible to predict with any degree of certainty.
Post by: Mithradates on November 23, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
I'm burning with a NEC ND-3540, with the latest original firmware (1.04) btw.
Cheers,
Mithradates
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 23, 2007, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 23, 2007, 11:29:00 PM
http://club.cdfreaks...tml#post1938540
Post by: vampiro on November 27, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Nov 24 2007, 02:05 AM)
For those of you curious about the 8x official rated discs, I did a quality scan of an 8x official MKM003 disc MADE IN SINGAPORE. Pretty good considering I did actually burn this disc at 8x.
Have you used other namebranded DVD+R DL besides verbatim (for example Sony, with MKM made in Singapore technology), to succesfully work with a Hitachi Drive?
I've been looking for Verbatims made in Singapore for the past week with no luck, all made in India. I'm spending more money on transportation to find media than actually buying any media.
I have thouroughly read through all Threads regarding Hitachi, Samsung, Media, and Burner compatibilty for the past week but I have not seen anyone post anything about a successful backup with media other than verbatim but with MKM made in Singapore Technology. I did see someone mention sony with mkm but no word on whether it was used on Hitachi or Samsung or if it was successful or not.
Thank You for your knowledge. It is very well appreciated over here.
Post by: Bryan9129 on November 27, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
Thanks for the info!
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 27, 2007, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(vampiro @ Nov 27 2007, 12:51 PM)
Have you used other namebranded DVD+R DL besides verbatim (for example Sony, with MKM made in Singapore technology), to succesfully work with a Hitachi Drive?
I've been looking for Verbatims made in Singapore for the past week with no luck, all made in India. I'm spending more money on transportation to find media than actually buying any media.
I have thouroughly read through all Threads regarding Hitachi, Samsung, Media, and Burner compatibilty for the past week but I have not seen anyone post anything about a successful backup with media other than verbatim but with MKM made in Singapore Technology. I did see someone mention sony with mkm but no word on whether it was used on Hitachi or Samsung or if it was successful or not.
Thank You for your knowledge. It is very well appreciated over here.
1. Yes the MIS made Sonys are the exact same thing as the good 'ol MIS Verbatims that we all love and yes they will work just fine on the Hitachi since they are the exact same disc. I don't understand why people think that they are different since they both come from the exact same manufacturer and are built to the exact same qualifications. Just goes once again to prove the point that name brand labels MEAN NOTHING!!!!!!!!!! The reason why you haven't seen anything yet is that the outsourcing to MKM in Singapore has only started recently among the Sony DL DVD+R discs. Keep in mind that only SOME of the DL Sonys are being outsourced to MKM in Singapore so like the Verbatims you will have to check the country of origin before buying. Most of the DL Sonys are still produced by Ritek in Taiwan.
2. You can still get guaranteed MIS MKM discs under the Verbatim label if you buy the official 8x DL Verbatim discs. They are all still produced by the home plant in Singapore. Best Buy currently has them in 15 packs for $30 (All of the 8x official media is easily distinguishable by the orange label on the pack). A bit more expensive but then again I haven't seen any earth shattering sales on the 2.4x DL Verbatims these days. You might be lucky enough to find some MIS DL DVD+R Sonys but they are still pretty rare.
Post by: vampiro on November 28, 2007, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 28, 2007, 01:51:00 AM
Post by: SnoopKatt on December 01, 2007, 03:49:00 PM
I'll take a picture of the spindle wrapper later if you all want, but I have to find my good camera. But yeah, I thought Moser Baer made the MII discs.
Post by: Commex on December 01, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: SnoopKatt on December 01, 2007, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 02, 2007, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: SnoopKatt on December 05, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 05, 2007, 02:09:00 AM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on December 06, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: kseries on December 09, 2007, 05:09:00 AM
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK D01
Media Product Revision Number 01h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 4253024256
Free Capacity 7.96GB/8.55GB
Book Type DVD+R DL
Media Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed 2.4x 3324KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Layer 0 end sector 22D7FFh
Linear Density 0.293um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 2
Layer Track Path direction (OTP) Opposite track path
Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF ......2.........
00000010 00 22 D7 FF 00 00 00 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 44 .".....RITEK...D
00000020 30 31 01 40 25 25 37 0C 00 28 64 00 28 64 20 1F 01.@%%7..(d.(d .
00000030 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 ....... . ......
RE THESE ANY GOOD TO CONTINUE BUYING>
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 09, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: kseries on December 10, 2007, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: skoda1800 on December 10, 2007, 01:03:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 10, 2007, 04:47:00 AM
QUOTE(kseries @ Dec 10 2007, 08:28 AM)
What exactly is bad about the long term use.WIll the laser get waek and stop detecting my backup games.Also I bought today some tdk because they didnt have the sony I have purchased before I got the 25 pack for $27.99 at bestbuy are those any worse then the sony ritek that I have stated above.I dont want to open them yet they suck even more ill just take them back.
TDK are either Ritek, Ricoh, CMC Mag. Not sure which. either way none of them are the greatest media to be using. As for wearing out your laser, yes, it is possible. There is also the issue of the backups themselves deteriorating at a faster rate. Not to alarm you but Ritek has had one of their single layer lines (Ritek G05) that was notorious for becoming unreadable after less than a year. There is also some evidence of that happening on their DL media. The other manufacturers listed above aren't much better.
QUOTE(skoda1800 @ Dec 10 2007, 09:03 AM)
dl writers has been out for years, but the media is still expensive compared to single layer.
And your point is?
Post by: kseries on December 10, 2007, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 11, 2007, 03:52:00 AM
Post by: skoda1800 on December 14, 2007, 05:23:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 17, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
QUOTE(skoda1800 @ Dec 14 2007, 01:59 PM)
Ok, almost 1 year has passed since the original post, so there must be some changes in quality since then, so media should be more reliable. china/hong kong brands must have caught up by now and the stuff would be more widespread.
Guess again. NOTHING has changed in the DL media market. Other than the fact that now you can ONLY TRUST the 8x official rated DL DVD+R Verbatims. They are the only ones who have solid quality and compatibility standards on their double layer media. Made by MKM in Singapore (not to be confused with the MKM coded garbage coming out of India these days).
Post by: Albut35 on December 23, 2007, 08:10:00 PM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on December 24, 2007, 04:44:00 AM
http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html
Post by: cj2 on December 24, 2007, 06:50:00 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817130029
Post by: digitalman42 on December 24, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 24 2007, 12:20 PM)
Check the spindle near the UPC symbol and it will list the country of origin. How many times do I need to say it though folks. Stick with the 8x official stuff and it will be fine:
http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html
Holy cow, I stand corrected...... They are new packaging that I have never scene before, but yes they are only 2.4x My apology dude.
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 24 2007, 12:20 PM)
Check the spindle near the UPC symbol and it will list the country of origin. How many times do I need to say it though folks. Stick with the 8x official stuff and it will be fine:
http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 24, 2007, 10:19:00 PM
QUOTE(cj2 @ Dec 24 2007, 02:50 PM)
Depends on whether or not you make use of the google checkout at buy.com. $31 shipped for the 15 pack at newegg and $24.24 for 15 shipped at buy.com if you are a first time google checkout user.
Post by: digitalman42 on December 25, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 27, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
QUOTE(digitalman42 @ Dec 25 2007, 05:46 PM)
What was strange about the 20 pack of verbatim india discs was some of them worked great, some of them burnt but wouldnt read very well, and some of them were just coasters. It's like even in the spindle it was a mixed bag. I will always get the 8x ones from now on. I cant beleive Verbatim would release garbage like the 2.4 discs. Iv'e been in the pc scene for a looooong time and verbatim never released crap discs before.
That's because they have never really handed the total production of an entire line off to Moser Baer before (The company in India who makes them). This is the reason why it is so important to avoid name brand labels and to stay on top of the current manufacturers. They are far more indicative of quality than a label that outsources to 2 or 3 different manufacturers with varying quality standards.
Post by: carl25 on December 30, 2007, 07:35:00 PM
http://www.digitalfa...cedconcepts.htm
http://www.digitalfa...media/index.htm
its a pretty good understanding about media's and quality an such...but it is contradictory to some things of new...such as the outsourcing part
Its half informational and half BS
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 30, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: carl25 on December 30, 2007, 09:04:00 PM
I use the Verbatim 95123 printables and love them, I have used only quality media for long time, i did use Riteks a while back with mostly success, but we'll see how long those burns last...
Post by: stiller35 on December 31, 2007, 06:17:00 PM
Well I have had the same issue, bought the Verbaitem's on special at our local Futsure Shop, with the bluish and yellow paper ring, made in India discs. I have had nothing but problems. I have a Pioneer Dual Layer burner. I have been burning games for quite sometime. I never have coasters using previous Verb. dual layer discs. On a side note, the orange and blue 8X dual layers work PERFECT. It seems the pale yellow and blue paper label version are the shits.My dual layer burner makes a girnding noise like its having trouble trying to read most of the blanks on those 2.4x Verbaitem. Anyways, I was thinking it was my burner at first, so I bought a new one yesterday, same grinding noise with those Verb. discs. I then purchased som FUJI Dual Layers on special, burned 6 games so far, and they work perfectly
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 01, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
QUOTE(stiller35 @ Jan 1 2008, 02:17 AM)
Well I have had the same issue, bought the Verbaitem's on special at our local Futsure Shop, with the bluish and yellow paper ring, made in India discs. I have had nothing but problems. I have a Pioneer Dual Layer burner. I have been burning games for quite sometime. I never have coasters using previous Verb. dual layer discs. On a side note, the orange and blue 8X dual layers work PERFECT. It seems the pale yellow and blue paper label version are the shits.My dual layer burner makes a girnding noise like its having trouble trying to read most of the blanks on those 2.4x Verbaitem. Anyways, I was thinking it was my burner at first, so I bought a new one yesterday, same grinding noise with those Verb. discs. I then purchased som FUJI Dual Layers on special, burned 6 games so far, and they work perfectly
Once again that is because the 8x official ones are still all produced by MKM's home plant in Singapore which has the highest quality production standards of any DL media available to the masses. . . PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Toddler on January 02, 2008, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 03, 2008, 02:26:00 AM
1. My DVD Burner would have to be a late model Pioneer (109 or later)
2. My 360 drive would have to be a Samsung with the latest firmware
The reasons for doing so would be that in general the Pioneers are pretty flexible with a wide range of media in general and the Samsung 360 drive since they have long been known to be the most forgiving drives in terms of what they will read. Although I might go with a Benq once we have had a little more time to collect data on them. Thus far they seem to be great at getting along with media.
Once again I am not currently condoning the aforementioned option as a viable alternative at this point, I am just saying that if worse came to worse in the future, that would probably be your best shot at success.
Post by: Toddler on January 03, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
If I were to stray from MIS Verbatim, I really wouldn't know where to go. I work with videographers and digital photographers who do a lot of archiving to DVD. A year ago, most of them swore by Ritek based on the quality of their scans immediately after burning. Now those same guys avoid Ritek like the plague because their discs are now virtually unreadable without CD-Check. These are professionals who store their discs in a cool, dry place, stored vertically, etc., and now they are frantically converting their archives to other brands.
Seems that Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden and TDK are the popular "premium" alternatives. A couple of folks mention Princo as average media but it seems to resist deterioration well. Also some good things have been said about Gigastorage (never heard of them). One guy I know said he has tested his library and Gigastorage media shows virtually no deterioration in almost a year of storage.
Post by: King818 on January 04, 2008, 02:04:00 AM
Have a few questions though.
1. Are the Sony's still shipping in MKM quality? I want singapore's!
2. Are the Verbatim's at 8x (blue/orange) still ALWAYS MKM's? I don't want to get an india one if I order online.
3. Where on the spindle would it say if it is made in singapore, or made in India?
4. Any hot deals at the moment?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 04, 2008, 05:33:00 AM
QUOTE(King818 @ Jan 4 2008, 10:04 AM)
Great thread, just read pages 1-8.
Have a few questions though.
1. Are the Sony's still shipping in MKM quality? I want singapore's!
2. Are the Verbatim's at 8x (blue/orange) still ALWAYS MKM's? I don't want to get an india one if I order online.
3. Where on the spindle would it say if it is made in singapore, or made in India?
4. Any hot deals at the moment?
Thanks in advance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
1. Unfortunately no. They stopped since all of the production of the 2.4x official discs is now handled by the idiots at Moser Baer.
2. As long as they are 8x official variety and not the 2.4x-6x variety then you should be fine as all the 8x official ones are still always MIS MKM discs. They recently switched to a standardized color label so it's not like it used to be where the 2.4x official ones had the blue/purple label and the 8x official ones had the orange label (not unless you get some old stock).
3. Right below the UPC symbol you will find the country of origin
4. No really hot deals at the mo but buy.com has a decent deal on the 15 pack if you are a first time google checkout user. $15 pack for $24.24 shipped with google checkout.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Jan 3 2008, 09:15 PM)
Thanks, good discussion.
If I were to stray from MIS Verbatim, I really wouldn't know where to go. I work with videographers and digital photographers who do a lot of archiving to DVD. A year ago, most of them swore by Ritek based on the quality of their scans immediately after burning. Now those same guys avoid Ritek like the plague because their discs are now virtually unreadable without CD-Check. These are professionals who store their discs in a cool, dry place, stored vertically, etc., and now they are frantically converting their archives to other brands.
Seems that Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden and TDK are the popular "premium" alternatives. A couple of folks mention Princo as average media but it seems to resist deterioration well. Also some good things have been said about Gigastorage (never heard of them). One guy I know said he has tested his library and Gigastorage media shows virtually no deterioration in almost a year of storage.
Are we talking single layer or double layer here? Two totally different worlds when talking about the brands listed above. For DL media TDK is just another Ritek clone so not really worth paying for the "premium label" there. For single layer media I would definitely take Verbatim (MCC coded discs) and Taiyo Yuden over TDK as they all cost about the same price but TDK's own lines and the lines that they outsource to are definitely inferior to Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden. Princo is junk, I don't care what anyone says. It is one of the most commonly reported rapid deterioration medias out there and I have definitely experienced that first hand. Gigastorage also doesn't have the greatest long-term legacy so I wouldn't trust them. Specials on the single layer Verbatim often put them down in the 20-30 cents a disc range and Taiyo Yuden can regularly be had for under 40 cents a disc. At those prices why bother with any of the other variants? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: Toddler on January 04, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2008, 12:03:00 AM
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Post by: xacimo on January 14, 2008, 07:59:00 PM
I am wondering what manufacturer makes melody discs, and what manufacturer makes mitsubishi discs?
the mitsubishi discs cost a fortune and I am wondering if they are manufactured by the MKM that you recommend.
And just how long does a MKM singapore disc last?
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 15, 2008, 04:12:00 AM
QUOTE(xacimo @ Jan 15 2008, 03:59 AM)
hi, great thread
I am wondering what manufacturer makes melody discs, and what manufacturer makes mitsubishi discs?
the mitsubishi discs cost a fortune and I am wondering if they are manufactured by the MKM that you recommend.
And just how long does a MKM singapore disc last?
Bottom line stick to the 8x Verbatim DL DVD+R discs and don't bother with the rest. They really do provide the best deal. Never heard of Melody discs and I definitely wouldn't try them unless I knew who made them (or if I could get them for dirt cheap). I imagine the official Mitsubishi discs are MKM (provided they are 8x official) but you could probably get the Verbs for cheaper. As for how long an MKM disc lasts. If it is taken care of and stored in the proper conditions it could easily last well over 30 years.
Post by: aj316 on March 01, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
So now that all the Verbs are made in India, what do you guys suggest buying?
Post by: cory1492 on March 02, 2008, 05:25:00 AM
QUOTE(aj316 @ Mar 1 2008, 05:08 PM)
So now that all the Verbs are made in India, what do you guys suggest buying?
A rock for the window of the guy who decided to start that?
Sad to see this happen, a previously 100% reliable manufacturer outsourcing their brandname.I have had better burns with Fuji's Ritek D01 disks than I have had with any of the 20 MII Verbatims I had (sector failures and spikes around the layer break.) Perhaps if they (MBI) left the dirt out from between the disks (nearly 1/2 had concentric scratches due to them shipping with dirt between the disks) and got the dye consistent (about 1/8th had visible dye defects/runs/spots etc, before anything was burnt to them) that might have been different, though I guess I may have gotten an unlucky spindle too.
Supposedly though, they are now shipping mixed MIS/MII to retail. Hopefully they don't stop making MIS ones entirely.
Post by: ssj4android on March 03, 2008, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: cory1492 on March 03, 2008, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(ssj4android @ Mar 3 2008, 03:50 PM)
How well do MII Verbatims / Ritek Memorex discs work with a BenQ 360 drive? Will they be playable?
It's sort of a "try it and find out" situation, too many variables with most brands of disks (and how well a specific burner supports the brand/media code, verbatim generally are the first to provide reference data/media to the drive manufacturers thus they generally have better burns) to say anything for certain.
Post by: d-dot on March 12, 2008, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 13, 2008, 04:08:00 AM
Post by: roli on March 15, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
Problem is that I have only two choices.
1 - Traxdata DVD+R DL 8x -- 2.10 -- 2,77$
2 - Verbatim DVD+R DL 8x -- 6.29 -- 8,29$
These are prices for 1 medium!
I can get 3 mediums from traxdata or 1 from Verbatim. If my xbox will read mediums from Traxdata for a year then I will buy them. If not then I will have to buy mediums from Verbatim and that is not cheap.
Post by: Scan-C on March 15, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
If you're from germany or understand german you can order at edmedia.de. They sell 5 pack of Verb DVD+R DL 8x for 12.61€ and if you search around you'll find a 5€ rebate code somewhere.
Remember you may pay a little bit more now but if you use cheap media you'll get a lot of lockups and you will need to replace your laser sooner than later.
EDIT:
If you want to order at least 100 discs I can tell you numerous shops that sell genuine Taiyo Yuden (TYG03 series) for 2,60€ per disc.
Post by: cory1492 on March 15, 2008, 08:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Scan-C @ Mar 15 2008, 01:52 PM)
If you want to order at least 100 discs I can tell you numerous shops that sell genuine Taiyo Yuden (TYG03 series) for 2,60€ per disc.
As far as I know TY doesn't have any dual layers on the market... wish they did though, TY makes some great -R's.
BTW: TYG03 = 16x dvd-r (not dual layer)
edit:
also, if you are paying more than $0.50USD per disk (after shipping) on TYG03 in 100pc cakeboxes, you are getting seriously gypped
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 17, 2008, 02:53:00 AM
I would love to get some MIS discs at the current futureshop sale but I don't live in Canada.
Post by: penguinofdoom564 on April 26, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
Interestingly, the 5 pack were 10x, which I had not seen previously. I ended up getting the 20 spindle. On top and on the discs it says 2.4x but then on the side of the package it says they can go up to 6x. My drive does 2.4/4x and they're burning at 4x with ImgBurn set to AUTO.
Hopefully this will take care of my dirty disc errors with certain games.
Post by: penguinofdoom564 on April 26, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
So the MKM-001's I got at Best Buy made a world of difference. The same image I had burned onto RITEK-D01's (several burns just to be sure) and had produced DRE's every 5-10 minutes, ran for an hour and a half with no issue on the Verb. The only reason I stopped then was that I had to go to work but I expect it to continue to work this way.
Seems like load times are a little faster and my drive is definitely not making as much noise when it's accessing the disk. Even better is the fact that I burnt the Verb copy at 4x and it works flawlessly, the Ritek's were limited to 2.4x and were still crappy.
Moral of the story? Stick with MIS, if you can find em.
Also, for the record, I have a BenQ and I burn my backups on a NEC ND3520AW with ImgBurn.
Post by: 1nsan3 on July 17, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
gonna buy a new burner ( samsung ) piss on pioneer.
IN the july specials catalog.
Post by: mike315 on July 24, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Just came back from Bestbuy and they had Verbatim DVD+R DL 8x that were made in India. Had to search through the shelf to find the MIS's.
So just like the 2.4x media....check the labels!
Post by: CJM1682 on July 24, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 25, 2008, 03:22:00 AM
Post by: CJM1682 on July 25, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: gaboumafou on August 14, 2008, 07:09:00 AM
QUOTE(mike315 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:36 AM)
So the 8x that I saw that said "made in india" are just shipping from there? Seems strange. I didn't buy any, because quite honestly it scared me.
Yeah, wondering the same thing... I bought a 8X pack, but it was written "made in India" on it...
EDIT: Nevermind, they are 2.4x...
Post by: babypak on August 14, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
QUOTE(gaboumafou @ Aug 14 2008, 07:45 AM)
Yeah, wondering the same thing... I bought a 8X pack, but it was written "made in India" on it...
EDIT: Nevermind, they are 2.4x...
Does it really matter that the dvd box says 8x speed, because you are going to be burning it at 2.4x speed. I bought some 8x verbs from best buy and they dont work with my hp dvd640c.
Post by: TheBestXboxModder on August 15, 2008, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 18, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: LORDMASH on October 28, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
i think its ricohjpnG05
benq's seem to love these a-ones as well as hitachi's but sammy's seem slow to load but maybe its just me
please can somebody tell me who really makes these
and i've only ever burned a-one media a 4x
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 28, 2008, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(MistressDeath @ Oct 27 2008, 09:38 PM)
Hello,
I have a quick question about media. I just modded my X360 and tried to backup a game and all I had was Playo DL. Well, it worked great! My question is, since Playo is so cheap are there any problems with using them? I haven't had any problems or lockups. How about the laser, will it die sooner since I am using Playo? I was going to pick up 25 pack of Verbs for $64.99, but so expensive!
Thanks,
MD
There are no guarantees with cheap media and there is no such thing as consistency (ie knowing what manufacturer or quality standards to expect from pack to pack). As for Verbatims, where are you buying them? A BMW dealership? Verbatim can be had for so much less. Check out the prices at newegg. About $27 shipped for a 20 pack.
Post by: Kloud on November 03, 2008, 03:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Cory23 @ Oct 31 2008, 04:48 AM)
Whats up guys I am a little late finding this great site. Is there a certain ISO software that I should use and I should be buying the Verbatims made In Sangapore
Read the stickies man! And yes, you should be buying the Verbatims that are Made in Singapore.
Post by: von_braun on November 03, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
and they do say MIS, so i dunno
I told them about it, hopefully they offer me something.
Post by: Kalub on November 09, 2008, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(von_braun @ Nov 3 2008, 06:48 PM)
An entire pack of Verbatims i bought from newegg.com is crap. The packaging on them is different than the picture here newegg
and they do say MIS, so i dunno
I told them about it, hopefully they offer me something.
I've had some bad burns on two spindles that I recently got from Newegg that were MIS. Close to 50%. They had the same packaging as previous spindles though.
Post by: alef on November 09, 2008, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: enyceexdanny on November 11, 2008, 11:48:00 PM
Oh and are the Datalifeplus discs better than the standard ones?
Thanks.
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 13, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
Post by: Looped2 on March 22, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: thugstation on December 12, 2011, 08:14:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 9 2007, 12:37 AM)
D/L DVD-R as a whole is a format that is worthless and overpriced, NOT TO MENTION IT WON'T WORK ON ANY OF THE 360 DRIVES!!!!!!!!!
Ok people.. I'm gonna solve the issues about DVD-R DL this for once and for all..
It IS POSSIBLE to burn xbox 360 games to a DVD-R DL disc with the mRDL 1.1 program.
The program can be downloaded here: www.mediafire.com/?mnxmln2z5wj
Just click the -R tab when u open up the program.
Use Verbatim DVD-R DL. I haven't tried other brands so feel free to try... please report about it.
Since you cannot and won't have to set the layer break on DVD-R DL media you only need to select the Iso and burn in mRDL 1.1 without any changes in settings.
Important notes:
- It doesn't work on Hitachi xbox 360 drives. So if your xbox 360 has a Hitachi drive the game is over... stick to +DL then. Google to find out which drive you have.
This is confirmed working on Samsung, BenQ and Lite-On xbox 360 drives.
- Haven't tried the latest format XGD3 games on DVD-R DL, I'll edit this post as soon as i've tried it.
-My new burner, Lite-On IHAS124B will be delivered tomorrow with the Ixtreme Burner Max firmware so I'll try to burn XGD3 games with it and the mRDL 1.1 program.
Maybe I can get it to work with my current Samsung SH-S223 burner. I'll also report about it if that's the case.
For the record: I used the Samsung Sh-S223 burner when I burned Verbatim DVD-R DL discs.
Actually I think the burner is not such a big deal.. You people need to report about it I can't test every brand of media or burner. So it's up to you people to provide us with that information.
Unfortunately there are people who say it doesn't work and that is because:
- You people never tried it.
- You people have Hitachi xbox 360 drives --> IT WON'T WORK ON HITACHI
- You people are not using Verbatim DVD-R DL media.
I'm so sick and tired of convincing the world that I play at least 10 backups on DVD-R DL media from Verbatim because I ordered it by accident.
I'm a very determined person to make things work and I have now
For the complaining people:
- This is not bullshit, don't come up with that crap
- I don't care if it's posted before... it seems like nobody knows about it.
Just lettin' people know that it works.