Post by: Xbox-Scene on September 27, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
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Post by: enderandrew on September 27, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: bigshooter13 on September 27, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: cliffy88 on September 27, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: DaddyO21 on September 27, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: enderandrew on September 27, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
QUOTE(bigshooter13 @ Sep 28 2006, 02:35 AM) 
I really hope they listen to consumer demand and figure out some kind of digital HDMI solution. I will pay good money for that cable.
It wouldn't be simply a cable. There would be a small "box" on it to convert the signal to a digital one. And I'm not sure if they'd be doing just video on it, since component and VGA just carry video, or if they'd throw the audio in as well.
It wouldn't be cheap.
I'm glad Sony caved in and is offering HDMI on both versions. Honestly, I can't think of any good reason to get the $600 version now.
Post by: cliffy88 on September 27, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
QUOTE(DaddyO21 @ Sep 28 2006, 02:57 AM)
anybody knows of a good HDTV that accepts 1080P by VGA or Component?
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1138084694260
Used to be 1599.99, great great price. I own this monitor, and I love it! You can't go wrong doubling this as a computer monitor/xbox 360 tv! The black levels could be better, but I honestly can't complain because of the price and size! All in all I can't say enough about how much I like this monitor. Setting a few feet from one of the bad boys...it just puts a smile on my face!
Post by: Boydster on September 27, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
If yes, make the flippin dongle.
If no, then I guess we're out of luck.
1080i/720p is still pretty damn good.
Post by: bigshooter13 on September 27, 2006, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: ubiman on September 27, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
QUOTE(bigshooter13 @ Sep 27 2006, 10:47 PM)
Can someone clairify this for me. It sounds like the HD-DVD drive will either play in 1080p or 480p if you don't have a 1080p capable display. What about 720p and 1080i? Will the 360 be able to play HD-DVD movies at those resolutions? Or am I stuck with 480p? Because that is no different from current DVDs. This is all despite the cable issue. For this scenario, let's just pretend I have my 360 hooked up via component to a 720\1080i display, which I'm sure is a vast majority of us here. Thanks
HD-DVD = 480p, 720p, 1080i
DVD = 480p
Games = 480p, 720p, 1080i/p
VGA:
HD-DVD = 480p, 720p, 1080i/p
DVD = 480p, 720p, 1080i/p
Games = 480p, 720p, 1080i/p
That is what I understood from the last MS news update.
Post by: epsilon72 on September 27, 2006, 09:10:00 PM
QUOTE(cliffy88 @ Sep 27 2006, 06:56 PM)
My westy supports 1080p through vga...but my computer looks better through a dvi or hdmi cable. I think my monitor is one of the very few that could support this...and even though it does, I'd much rather have hdmi!
I have the 37" version of your display, and as it supports 1080p through VGA I don't have anything to worry about. HDMI would be nice, but I'd rather have 1080p through VGA than none at all.
Post by: jaygould30 on September 27, 2006, 09:12:00 PM
The only part of that whole thing I agree with is that HDMI has in fact been choosen as the connection for future television sets due to HDCP/AACS which is a big issue with trying to use any other type of connection (excluding VGA). Also that HDMI is nice for it's audio integration. But then again it is so far from being a completed format. Look at all the versions it's already gone through...what is this software we are dealing with? More ways to milk money out of people? I think it is also funny how they don't mention how many 1080p sets don't even accept a 1080p signal over HDMI.
There is just to much that is left out of this discussion though. To much to even try to go over in a simple forum post. In the end, after looking at ALL the facts, people will realize that 1080p will mean nothing in this generation of gaming. I predict it to be a bigger issue the next generation when the format has time to evolve (which will take the next 4-5 years).
Microsoft is very smart and completely right on this topic. You can tell that the only reason there going to talk about it is to shut up Sony since there tired of hearing the topic from people who don't understand. Sometimes trying to be at the cutting edge isn't the best or right thing to do. This IMO is one of those cases.
EDIT: The more I read there questions the more I see how retarted they are. Some of there questions aren't even correct assumptions. They need to go back and do there homework.
Post by: MeanMF on September 27, 2006, 09:22:00 PM
QUOTE(jaygould30 @ Sep 28 2006, 04:19 AM)
Microsoft is very smart and completely right on this topic. You can tell that the only reason there going to talk about it is to shut up Sony since there tired of hearing the topic from people who don't understand.
1080p is undoubtedly overhyped, but the real issue to me is lack of HDMI or DVI support in the 360. There's a big difference in quality between an analog and a digital connection. Compare the picture on an LCD monitor using a standard VGA cable to one using DVI. The difference is plainly visible. Sure a lot of older HD sets don't have a digital input, but almost all current models do. MS likely didn't include an HDMI output to keep the cost of the unit down, but that's no reason not to offer one as an add-on...Although once you bought a 360 + HD-DVD + HDMI the PS3 would be a bargain.
Post by: blah101 on September 27, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: Lunar Aura on September 27, 2006, 09:43:00 PM
Now 360 + HD-DVD drive + means to get 1080p on movies (i.e. VGA adapter or HDMI addon) versus a $500 PS3 doesn't sound so one sided anymore.
Sony and Nintendo screwed up on the graphics card power.
MS screwed up on the media format (they can't force games to utilize HD-DVD or even the hard drive to it's fullest).
Whether I like it or not, IGN does have a point. And from my perspective, this PS3/360/Wii generation of gaming looks rushed and underplanned compared to PS2/Xbox/GC. The saving grace this gen would be Xbox LIVE imho. Unless Sony can match or exceed it...
Post by: #XboxBoy# on September 27, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Fishtank on September 27, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
I'm not saying it won't happen, there are plenty of brilliant people in the world, but as of right now, I don't think they can do it. I'm only more convinced based on their weak attempt at a software upgrade that is causing more controversy than anything else.
Personally...who cares...I have a rp-crt that does 1080i...looks awsome. When you don't have an optimized $8,000 1080P sitting beside it like in the big box stores, you really can't tell.
Post by: -Spud- on September 27, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
The first generation of 1080p signals is 1080p\30hz not 60hz like 720p is atm. This means its only good for watching movies and video. For gaming you need 1080p at 60hz for proper gameplay. I could be wrong but Im pretty sure the Xbox 360 will never be able to do this. PS3 on the other hand could be a different story.
The article is good and sound. Microsoft really didnt think this one out. Another reason why I believe the Xbox 360 was rushed out way too quickly.
Post by: spinr34 on September 28, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on September 28, 2006, 01:58:00 AM
just to clarify ya all know that they make VGA to DVI adapters then they have DVI to HDMI adapters, most people would think that that would work (in a perfect wrold) but HDMI uses DVI-D and useing a VGA to DVI adapter wouldent work do the the fact that the adapter is a DVI-I standerd
HDMI: is digital audio (5.1 or what ever) and DVI-D in one cable. (Newer TVs)
DVI-D: is Digital only and makes up half of HDMI (Older DVI standard)
DVI-I is analouge and digital (backwards compatable with DVI-D) and has 4 more pins for RGB (this is what all the new video cards come with) (new standerd)
VGA: analouge and its been around for almost 20+ years
EGA:
just playingok now if your was to houck up a vga adapter to a DVI adapter and then to a hdmi adapter it WILL NOT WORK!! because from the beginning it was analouge then in the dvi adapter it was using the DVI-I standered and in analouge and i dont have the adapter for this but i do beleve that you wouldent be able to atach the dvi adapter to the hdmi adapter because of the 4 extra pins (RGB)
well im tiered and dont feal like going in to resalutions right now its almost 5 am and i got to get up early tomarrow
mark
Post by: redwolf on September 28, 2006, 03:04:00 AM
Micro$oft should just release a transcoder adaptor, they are usually expensive. but those who have 1080p capable TV can most likely can afford it.
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 28, 2006, 04:01:00 AM
I agree that HDMI would be great, but i guess that's the price you pay to have the 360 a year before the ps3.
There is always a work around with transcoders, but if the already very few who have 1080p displays are even fewer with vga or component 1080p, then the likely hood of native 1080p 360 games is next to none....of which i'm not too disappointed about; i'd rather trade 1080p for better graphics and effects in 720p.
Post by: fahrenheit on September 28, 2006, 04:42:00 AM
Lets be reasonable. If 720p games at 60fps are currently hugely outweighed by 720p games at 30fps on the 360, then you have to question how much of a struggle 60fps is for these developers. If they can't get 60fps at 720p as standard, then they have no business chasing 1080p pipedreams.
It annoys me that this resolution pissing-match has cast aside more important qualities that make for a great gaming experience.
Post by: DV8ORMODS on September 28, 2006, 05:07:00 AM
the 360 to cater to the masses not just the guys with 1080p monitors or hdtv on the high end. and for the most part sony is saying most of there games are using 720 across there platform for optimal performance, 1080p possible on ps3 will it be used all the time no! don't worry wait till you see gears of war running on your component enabled 360 you be impressed and for those pissed about 1080p
Post by: Textbook on September 28, 2006, 05:36:00 AM
QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Sep 28 2006, 06:49 AM)
Resolution isn't everything. Framerate on the otherhand...
Lets be reasonable. If 720p games at 60fps are currently hugely outweighed by 720p games at 30fps on the 360, then you have to question how much of a struggle 60fps is for these developers. If they can't get 60fps at 720p as standard, then they have no business chasing 1080p pipedreams.
It annoys me that this resolution pissing-match has cast aside more important qualities that make for a great gaming experience.
Post by: The Bat on September 28, 2006, 06:37:00 AM
QUOTE(bigshooter13 @ Sep 27 2006, 09:47 PM)
Can someone clairify this for me. It sounds like the HD-DVD drive will either play in 1080p or 480p if you don't have a 1080p capable display. What about 720p and 1080i? Will the 360 be able to play HD-DVD movies at those resolutions? Or am I stuck with 480p? Because that is no different from current DVDs. This is all despite the cable issue. For this scenario, let's just pretend I have my 360 hooked up via component to a 720\1080i display, which I'm sure is a vast majority of us here. Thanks
HD-DVD will be able to output a 720p display through the 360 HD-DVD adapter, unless the movie studio encodes the HDMI lockout which would downgrade the signal to 480. However, the movie studios which were asked said that they likely wouldn't do this for at least 5 years. Since there are various types of HDMIs, with many HDTVs already purchased not having the right format or any HDMI at all, the HDMI lockout would give any next gen DVD player hooked up to those HDTVs a 480 display if they had the wrong type of HDTV hooked up to their blu-ray/HD-DVD player. So it'll be a while before we have to worry about that, by my guess.
QUOTE(Lunar Aura @ Sep 27 2006, 10:50 PM)
Sony including HDMI on the $500 "gimped" version was a right move.
Now 360 + HD-DVD drive + means to get 1080p on movies (i.e. VGA adapter or HDMI addon) versus a $500 PS3 doesn't sound so one sided anymore.
I'm one of the majority who is sitting out of the HDTV battle until there's an established format, and the prices drop enough. I'm also one of the larger majority which doesn't really care for a DVD format replacement yet, since I'd hate to spend $1,500 or more on a player and movie library which might become the next BetaMax, which could be either format at this point. IMHO, the "right move" was not forcing the majority to pay for something that only the minority wants, especially when it may become the failed format.
In the off chance that a new DVD format becomes the new standard by late 2010, would you be saying that forcing blu-ray on all PS3 owners was a smart choice if blu-ray loses out? Remember, it also meant paying $599 in Fall 2006 instead of $399 in Fall 2005. HDTVs with an HDMI 1.3 input and which are capable of displaying 1080p are the minority of HDTVs owned and on the market. And in most parts of the world, HDTVs overall are the minority of the TVs owned and on the market.
When I do get a HDTV, my 360 games will look a lot better. And assuming that any similar PS3 game is running at the same framerate with the same polygonal builds in the exact same environment to a 360 game, I doubt that I or anyone that I know would be able to tell one from the other without being told which was which.
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on September 28, 2006, 06:38:00 AM
Post by: jwarburton on September 28, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
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We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution, in the face of consumer demand........
like they did with the demand for divx support on the 360
Post by: ubiman on September 28, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: epsilon72 on September 28, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Sep 28 2006, 05:45 AM)
All this HDTV talk...I just wish I could afford one of those mofos. I've never even seen what a 360 looks like on anything other than my 19" TV w/ RF adapter.
You have my condolences, sir.
Now go start saving for an HDTV!
Post by: GiveItUp4VOS on September 28, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: grim_d on September 28, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:45 PM)
All this HDTV talk...I just wish I could afford one of those mofos. I've never even seen what a 360 looks like on anything other than my 19" TV w/ RF adapter.
well im just getting round to getting my hands on one.
but i still wont have 1080p, infact ill be stuck at 720p. So itl be crap and old as soon as i get it
sigh
Post by: kidkinetix on September 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
The value of 1080p in todays market is next to none, and will cause more harm than good for gaming (sacrificing FPS and performance). It would be hilarious of this was the first generation of Console games where you could set the resolution in the games to toggle up to 1080p
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Post by: gsharpshooter on September 28, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(cliffy88 @ Sep 28 2006, 03:18 AM)
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1138084694260
Used to be 1599.99, great great price. I own this monitor, and I love it! You can't go wrong doubling this as a computer monitor/xbox 360 tv! The black levels could be better, but I honestly can't complain because of the price and size! All in all I can't say enough about how much I like this monitor. Setting a few feet from one of the bad boys...it just puts a smile on my face!
I got that tv for 100 dollars yes dead serious and well im not tellin u how sorry but i love the site thats gonan destroy ebay for this and yeah i bought that tv for 100 dollars o a sitel ike ebay but will crush ebay lets just say !!!!!!
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on September 28, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: hignaki on September 28, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Sep 28 2006, 11:12 AM)
I got that tv for 100 dollars yes dead serious and well im not tellin u how sorry but i love the site thats gonan destroy ebay for this and yeah i bought that tv for 100 dollars o a sitel ike ebay but will crush ebay lets just say !!!!!!
AHAHAHAHA! And you have how many posts? Are they all like this? Did you trade drugs for the television?
Post by: trey85stang on September 28, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
QUOTE(FUCKMICROSOFT @ Sep 29 2006, 12:45 AM)
dude, if you are microsoft or sony or any company that wants to use the HDMI standard, you must pay ALOT of royalties to carry the HDMI symbol and conncetor. Just like the Compact disc and DVD. This shit ain't opensource. i don't know the exact numbers but if i recall microsoft would probably have to give a $ percentage of every sold console with HDMI.
The royalty fee is $15 per device.
Post by: badtazz33 on September 28, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
With this new information in mind, consider us relatively mollified. A future HDMI cable for the 360 will resolve the problems we outline in our discussion of 1080p compatibility. Let's hope Microsoft decides the market demands it sooner rather than later.
Microsoft Xbox 360 currently doesn't include a digital out connection for video. Our platform is flexible enough to allow support of a digital connection in the future should we choose to do so. When the Xbox 360 was being developed HDMI was nascent and with our current connections we support what the overwhelming majority of consumers have available to them. It's important to note that the market penetration of 1080p displays is in the single digits. Regardless, for those early adopters who have displays and projectors that support 1080p over VGA and component we have a solution and it is a free upgrade for them. We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution in the face of consumer demand, but have no announcements regarding additional cables or connections.
Post by: Dexter Harvey on September 28, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
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Stop all your crying and get a hdtv that supports 1080P true its analog connections like this one.
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42" 1080p LCD HDTV
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$1,548.86
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Westinghouse LVM-42w2 LCD HD Monitor
Adrienne Maxwell, May, 2006
A true HD monitor.
Some of you may think that I call the LVM-42w2 a "true HD monitor" because I've finally acquiesced to the HDTV conspiracy theorists who insist that only 1,920-by-1,080 displays like this one should be labeled HDTVs. Don't worryI plan to support 1080i and 720p a bit longer.
No, I've used the description "true HD monitor" for two reasons. For one, the LVM-42w2 is indeed a monitor, not a television. This LCD has neither an ATSC nor an NTSC tuner, so don't bother looking for an RF connection or onscreen program guide. They are of no use here. It also lacks a CableCARD slot or any bonus connections, such as a card reader or USB port. At least the monitor has built-in speakers and a subwoofer, discreetly hidden within the small frame, and they're capable of surprisingly robust audio.
Secondly, this monitor isn't meant to ease you into the HDTV era the way some TVs do. It was built for HDTV, and its input panel reflects that. The LVM-42w2 has a mere two entry-level video inputs (one composite, one S-video), but it's loaded with HD-capable inputs: one HDMI, two DVI, two component video, and one VGA.
The remote control has pseudo-dedicated buttons for the various inputs. By that, I mean it has dedicated buttons for VGA, S-video, and composite, plus one to toggle through HDMI and DVI and another to toggle through component video. It also has up/down buttons to scroll through the sources and an input button to move through them sequentially. I'd say that pretty much covers the input-selection process. There are only two screen sizes (standard and fill) to choose from and no automatic aspect-ratio detection.
Where It Counts
Obviously, Westinghouse chose to make the above sacrifices in order to offer this 42-inch 1080p LCD for the low price of $2,799. Just be glad they chose to sacrifice peripheral features and not the necessary staples to produce a higher-quality image, like an adjustable backlight and 3:2-pulldown detection. Although the display's internal processor didn't pick up the 3:2 film sequence on Video Essentials, it did pick it up on the Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark test disc and did an excellent job with my demo scenes from Gladiator and The Bourne Identity. Likewise, it did a poor job with video-based signals on the test discs but looked more than respectable with real-world video-based signals.
One feature that's surprisingly absent from the first crop of 1080p displays is the ability to actually accept a 1080p source. Many can only accept 1080i and 720p and then upconvert them to 1080p. That's not the case with the LVM-42w2, which can supposedly accept 1080p through all of its HD-capable inputs. To test this, I fed a 1080p signal from the NeuNeo HVD2085 DVD player to the monitor's component, DVI, and HDMI inputs. The picture looked great with DVI and component; however, with HDMI, I saw noticeable picture errors (blue, Matrix-like lines) in dark colors. We also tested the monitor's digital inputs with our reference HTPC. Again, the DVI signal looked great, but we did not get an image through HDMI. Westinghouse says that the HDMI input accepts 1080p, but we were unable to verify this with our equipment.
I also tested whether or not this monitor passes the complete 1080i interlaced signal or cheats by only passing 540 lines and then upconverting them. (See Gary Merson's article in the March 2006 issue for more information.) Happily, the LVM-42w2 passes the full signal; combine this with its excellent detail, and you'll be able to enjoy all of the information in the HDTV signal.
I should note that the monitor's HDMI and DVI inputs didn't work well with my Motorola HD cable box, which has a DVI output. I got no picture through DVI, and the HDMI input consistently lost the picture when I first powered up the monitor or changed channels. I tried multiple cable types and lengths with the same result. I had no such problems with any of the DVD players I used, so it may just be an issue with my cable box.
It Performs Well, to Boot
The LVM-42w2 looked quite good right out of the box. It offers three picture modes, vaguely labeled Color 1, Color 2, and Color 3. The default Color 1 setting is also the most accurate. Within this mode, I only had to make minor adjustments to the contrast, brightness, color (called saturation), and tint (called hue) using Video Essentials' test patterns to render a pleasing, natural image. When we measured the monitor in our lab, the results confirmed that the color temperature tracks close to 7,000 Kelvin across the board, with excellent red and blue color points. The green color point is more greenish-blue, but it's not oversaturated, so it doesn't throw the overall color balance off in a noticeable way. Calibration isn't a necessity; however, should you choose to have it done, we were able to calibrate the LVM-42w2 to track right at 6,500 K throughout much of the range.
You can adjust the LCD's backlight in increments from 0 to 100. We measured the monitor's black level and light output at the 0, 50, and 100 backlight settings; much to our surprise, the contrast ratio was excellent in all three (894:1, 824:1, and 879:1, respectively). This gives the LVM-42w2 some valuable flexibility in terms of suitable viewing environments. If black level is your primary concern, this display bests many of the LCDs we've reviewed, producing 0.064 foot-lamberts at the 0 backlight setting. If you want a bright monitor for a bright room, it puts out a ridiculous 158.3 ft-L at the 100 setting. If you're looking for a monitor to take with you to the park on a sunny afternoon, this is the one.
Like most LCDs, viewing angle is an issue, as the black level rises when you move even 45 degrees off-axis. The picture is still watchable but loses depth and color saturation. This is especially true when you view it from below, so you don't want to mount this LCD too high on the wall. On a positive note, the screen does not suffer from light- or color-uniformity issues.
As for my favorite test, Video Essentials' quantization test pattern, the light-to-dark ramp was one of the smoothest I've seen in an LCD flat panel, be it through the component, HDMI, or DVI input. I did see some slight banding, but there were no large jumps in the grays, which means that the LVM-42w2 is capable of producing most of the needed steps between white and black to render a clean, noise-free image.
All of these positive performance characteristics combine to create excellent TV and DVD images. Maybe a third reason to call this a true HD monitor is that HDTV in particular looks so good on the LVM-42w2. Yes, that 1080p resolution has something to do with it, bringing out every bit of detail in the picture; but let's not forget about good color balance, excellent depth, and the nondigital nature of the image. They all work together to produce a beautiful picture.
Its screen size puts the monitor in an interesting market position; 42 inches is usually a plasma screen size, while LCDs reside at either 40 or 45 inches. This monitor is certainly less expensive than any 40- or 45-inch LCD on the market, most of which are still 720p, but it's also comparably priced with many 42-inch plasmas, again at 720p. That'll certainly make the plasma-versus-LCD battle more interesting.
Regardless of where your loyalties lie, it's difficult not to be impressed by the LVM-42w2's performance. Just make sure you're ready now to enjoy all of the benefits of high definition. Get yourself an HD cable or satellite package, an upconverting DVD player, and an Xbox 360. Then your only concern will be what to do with all those extra HD inputs.
Highlights
A noise-free, highly detailed 1080p image
A ton of HD inputs
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2
Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!
Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42 Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.
HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Dont be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.
Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. All display, this 42 display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37or 32 TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now thats art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.
Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.
Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
1000:1
Brightness
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
8 ms
Audio
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
Connectors
QTY
TYPE
FORMATS SUPPORTED
1
HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1
S-Video+ L/R Audio
480i
1
Composite Video + L/R Audio
480i
1
L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
Physical Dimensions
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
Cabinet Color
Silver/Black
Installation Options
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2
Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!
Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42 Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.
HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Dont be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.
Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. All display, this 42 display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37or 32 TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now thats art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.
Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.
Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
1000:1
Brightness
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
8 ms
Audio
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
Connectors
QTY
TYPE
FORMATS SUPPORTED
1
HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1
S-Video+ L/R Audio
480i
1
Composite Video + L/R Audio
480i
1
L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
Physical Dimensions
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
Cabinet Color
Silver/Black
Installation Options
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.
Specifications are subject to change without notice.
Extendable Wall Mount
Flat Wall Mount
Tilt Wall Mount
User's Manual
Quick Connect
LVM-42w2
Prices on these tvs are dropping like crazy if you can not afford now maybe in 6 months when its half or 1/3 the price.
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$1,548.86
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Westinghouse LVM-42w2 LCD HD Monitor
Adrienne Maxwell, May, 2006
A true HD monitor.
Some of you may think that I call the LVM-42w2 a "true HD monitor" because I've finally acquiesced to the HDTV conspiracy theorists who insist that only 1,920-by-1,080 displays like this one should be labeled HDTVs. Don't worryI plan to support 1080i and 720p a bit longer.
No, I've used the description "true HD monitor" for two reasons. For one, the LVM-42w2 is indeed a monitor, not a television. This LCD has neither an ATSC nor an NTSC tuner, so don't bother looking for an RF connection or onscreen program guide. They are of no use here. It also lacks a CableCARD slot or any bonus connections, such as a card reader or USB port. At least the monitor has built-in speakers and a subwoofer, discreetly hidden within the small frame, and they're capable of surprisingly robust audio.
Secondly, this monitor isn't meant to ease you into the HDTV era the way some TVs do. It was built for HDTV, and its input panel reflects that. The LVM-42w2 has a mere two entry-level video inputs (one composite, one S-video), but it's loaded with HD-capable inputs: one HDMI, two DVI, two component video, and one VGA.
The remote control has pseudo-dedicated buttons for the various inputs. By that, I mean it has dedicated buttons for VGA, S-video, and composite, plus one to toggle through HDMI and DVI and another to toggle through component video. It also has up/down buttons to scroll through the sources and an input button to move through them sequentially. I'd say that pretty much covers the input-selection process. There are only two screen sizes (standard and fill) to choose from and no automatic aspect-ratio detection.
Where It Counts
Obviously, Westinghouse chose to make the above sacrifices in order to offer this 42-inch 1080p LCD for the low price of $2,799. Just be glad they chose to sacrifice peripheral features and not the necessary staples to produce a higher-quality image, like an adjustable backlight and 3:2-pulldown detection. Although the display's internal processor didn't pick up the 3:2 film sequence on Video Essentials, it did pick it up on the Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark test disc and did an excellent job with my demo scenes from Gladiator and The Bourne Identity. Likewise, it did a poor job with video-based signals on the test discs but looked more than respectable with real-world video-based signals.
One feature that's surprisingly absent from the first crop of 1080p displays is the ability to actually accept a 1080p source. Many can only accept 1080i and 720p and then upconvert them to 1080p. That's not the case with the LVM-42w2, which can supposedly accept 1080p through all of its HD-capable inputs. To test this, I fed a 1080p signal from the NeuNeo HVD2085 DVD player to the monitor's component, DVI, and HDMI inputs. The picture looked great with DVI and component; however, with HDMI, I saw noticeable picture errors (blue, Matrix-like lines) in dark colors. We also tested the monitor's digital inputs with our reference HTPC. Again, the DVI signal looked great, but we did not get an image through HDMI. Westinghouse says that the HDMI input accepts 1080p, but we were unable to verify this with our equipment.
I also tested whether or not this monitor passes the complete 1080i interlaced signal or cheats by only passing 540 lines and then upconverting them. (See Gary Merson's article in the March 2006 issue for more information.) Happily, the LVM-42w2 passes the full signal; combine this with its excellent detail, and you'll be able to enjoy all of the information in the HDTV signal.
I should note that the monitor's HDMI and DVI inputs didn't work well with my Motorola HD cable box, which has a DVI output. I got no picture through DVI, and the HDMI input consistently lost the picture when I first powered up the monitor or changed channels. I tried multiple cable types and lengths with the same result. I had no such problems with any of the DVD players I used, so it may just be an issue with my cable box.
It Performs Well, to Boot
The LVM-42w2 looked quite good right out of the box. It offers three picture modes, vaguely labeled Color 1, Color 2, and Color 3. The default Color 1 setting is also the most accurate. Within this mode, I only had to make minor adjustments to the contrast, brightness, color (called saturation), and tint (called hue) using Video Essentials' test patterns to render a pleasing, natural image. When we measured the monitor in our lab, the results confirmed that the color temperature tracks close to 7,000 Kelvin across the board, with excellent red and blue color points. The green color point is more greenish-blue, but it's not oversaturated, so it doesn't throw the overall color balance off in a noticeable way. Calibration isn't a necessity; however, should you choose to have it done, we were able to calibrate the LVM-42w2 to track right at 6,500 K throughout much of the range.
You can adjust the LCD's backlight in increments from 0 to 100. We measured the monitor's black level and light output at the 0, 50, and 100 backlight settings; much to our surprise, the contrast ratio was excellent in all three (894:1, 824:1, and 879:1, respectively). This gives the LVM-42w2 some valuable flexibility in terms of suitable viewing environments. If black level is your primary concern, this display bests many of the LCDs we've reviewed, producing 0.064 foot-lamberts at the 0 backlight setting. If you want a bright monitor for a bright room, it puts out a ridiculous 158.3 ft-L at the 100 setting. If you're looking for a monitor to take with you to the park on a sunny afternoon, this is the one.
Like most LCDs, viewing angle is an issue, as the black level rises when you move even 45 degrees off-axis. The picture is still watchable but loses depth and color saturation. This is especially true when you view it from below, so you don't want to mount this LCD too high on the wall. On a positive note, the screen does not suffer from light- or color-uniformity issues.
As for my favorite test, Video Essentials' quantization test pattern, the light-to-dark ramp was one of the smoothest I've seen in an LCD flat panel, be it through the component, HDMI, or DVI input. I did see some slight banding, but there were no large jumps in the grays, which means that the LVM-42w2 is capable of producing most of the needed steps between white and black to render a clean, noise-free image.
All of these positive performance characteristics combine to create excellent TV and DVD images. Maybe a third reason to call this a true HD monitor is that HDTV in particular looks so good on the LVM-42w2. Yes, that 1080p resolution has something to do with it, bringing out every bit of detail in the picture; but let's not forget about good color balance, excellent depth, and the nondigital nature of the image. They all work together to produce a beautiful picture.
Its screen size puts the monitor in an interesting market position; 42 inches is usually a plasma screen size, while LCDs reside at either 40 or 45 inches. This monitor is certainly less expensive than any 40- or 45-inch LCD on the market, most of which are still 720p, but it's also comparably priced with many 42-inch plasmas, again at 720p. That'll certainly make the plasma-versus-LCD battle more interesting.
Regardless of where your loyalties lie, it's difficult not to be impressed by the LVM-42w2's performance. Just make sure you're ready now to enjoy all of the benefits of high definition. Get yourself an HD cable or satellite package, an upconverting DVD player, and an Xbox 360. Then your only concern will be what to do with all those extra HD inputs.
Highlights
A noise-free, highly detailed 1080p image
A ton of HD inputs
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2
Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!
Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42 Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.
HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Dont be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.
Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. All display, this 42 display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37or 32 TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now thats art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.
Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.
Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
1000:1
Brightness
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
8 ms
Audio
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
Connectors
QTY
TYPE
FORMATS SUPPORTED
1
HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1
S-Video+ L/R Audio
480i
1
Composite Video + L/R Audio
480i
1
L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
Physical Dimensions
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
Cabinet Color
Silver/Black
Installation Options
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2
Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!
Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42 Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.
HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Dont be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.
Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. All display, this 42 display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37or 32 TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now thats art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.
Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.
Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
1000:1
Brightness
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
8 ms
Audio
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
Connectors
QTY
TYPE
FORMATS SUPPORTED
1
HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
2
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1
S-Video+ L/R Audio
480i
1
Composite Video + L/R Audio
480i
1
L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
Physical Dimensions
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
Cabinet Color
Silver/Black
Installation Options
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.
Specifications are subject to change without notice.
Extendable Wall Mount
Flat Wall Mount
Tilt Wall Mount
User's Manual
Quick Connect
LVM-42w2
Prices on these tvs are dropping like crazy if you can not afford now maybe in 6 months when its half or 1/3 the price.
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http://www.amazon.co...i...EF&v=glance
$1,548.86
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Post by: FUCKMICROSOFT on September 28, 2006, 11:34:00 PM
Post by: RX3 on September 29, 2006, 12:14:00 AM
Post by: djjsin on September 29, 2006, 01:35:00 AM
Please Microsoft, just give us what we want and take more of our money. Why are you so reluctant to answer the questions?
IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible?
Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection.
IGN: Could Microsoft theoretically release an HDMI dongle-cable like the various other cables already available for the console? Is the current 360 hardware able to output a digital signal, or is it restricted to analog?
Microsoft: Xbox 360 supports HD Component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD ready TV on the market today. That's not yet true for HDMI. We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution, in the face of consumer demand.
that right there is the mian questions i want to know, and Microsoft can't seem to answer them. He didnt ask if the 360 support component, he didnt ask if its more compatible. He simply asked is it possible to release hdmi and if its possible for a digital output. Answer the questions dont skirt around it! I'm really starting to get frustrated with the lack of information microsoft is giving us, and there attempts to try to convince us that hdmi isnt needed, probubly because they screwed up and cant implement it. Its the same thing as Sony trying to convience us that we need something like blu ray, which we dont. I thought this whole xbox 360 was about choice. Where's my choice in the connector?
Post by: The Bat on September 29, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
I am only bumped about MS not giving the component users DVD upscaling to 720p. That is it!!! GIVES US 720p OR BUST!!!
No idea if they could or not with the HD-DVD drive, but I don't see why it would be disabled on the regular 360 DVD drive.
Now correct me if I am wrong but how hard would it have been to add HDMI port to the 360 at the get go? I don't think it would alter the final cost of the 360 that much and it would have made things a lot easier. Maybe they considered this but did not look at the big picture and consider things down the road. But maybe when things get "worked out" and HDMI is the standard, the Xbox 720 will be out.
I imagine that Sony held off on HDMI until version 1.3 because they didn't believe that the earlier versions would be final, and therefore might not be fully compatible with whatever the HDMI standard becomes. (And it's not 100% certain at this point that Sony's decision on that matter was right, either.) That format could only be produced as of August of 2006, 9 months after the 360 launched. Like you said, once the HDMI standard is known (and also when 1080p HDTVs are more common, of course), it'll be time for the next round of consoles.
Post by: zombie4rave on September 29, 2006, 06:26:00 AM
Post by: Dexter Harvey on September 29, 2006, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: Caldor on September 29, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
Many people, including myself would not pay for a LCD TV. This is due to the image quality problems LCD displays have.
It is possible to use objective tools to measure display quality. And more experienced people can subjectively compare as well. In general, for the latest generation examples of each technology the list is like this:
1. CRT No HDMI as far as I know, and not available in large screen sizes. Most limited to component 1080i. No doubt best image quality of all types though/
2. Plasma. The true 1920 x 1080P panels are way out of my budget - in country good ones are around $US10 000. If you have ten grand US, which models actually have a vga 1080P input? I dont know of any....
3. LCos. Sony are lead the way with this technology and for, it represents the best picture quality at a good price I can afford. Though, the VGA Input does not support 1920x1080P input.
http://reviews.cnet....32.html?tag=lst
4. LCD
5. DLP
SED is vapourware and has been since 1998. Maybe it will come in 2008 and dominate, but who knows.
When you start considering narrowing down the TV choices by technology and affordability, the actualy number of true 1920x1080P *NATIVE* displays that actually support a VGA native of 1920x1080P are thin on the ground.
HDMI is the standard video connection method now and anyone who thinks otherwise is not being fair to themselves and reason.
Post by: Dexter Harvey on September 29, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
Dexter, respectfully I think you mistake consumer demand for compaint, when it is demand, and secondly I think it's wrong to see HDTV's as commodity items.
Many people, including myself would not pay for a LCD TV. This is due to the image quality problems LCD displays have.
It is possible to use objective tools to measure display quality. And more experienced people can subjectively compare as well. In general, for the latest generation examples of each technology the list is like this:
1. CRT No HDMI as far as I know, and not available in large screen sizes. Most limited to component 1080i. No doubt best image quality of all types though/
2. Plasma. The true 1920 x 1080P panels are way out of my budget - in country good ones are around $US10 000. If you have ten grand US, which models actually have a vga 1080P input? I dont know of any....
3. LCos. Sony are lead the way with this technology and for, it represents the best picture quality at a good price I can afford. Though, the VGA Input does not support 1920x1080P input.
http://reviews.cnet....32.html?tag=lst
4. LCD
5. DLP
SED is vapourware and has been since 1998. Maybe it will come in 2008 and dominate, but who knows.
When you start considering narrowing down the TV choices by technology and affordability, the actualy number of true 1920x1080P *NATIVE* displays that actually support a VGA native of 1920x1080P are thin on the ground.
HDMI is the standard video connection method now and anyone who thinks otherwise is not being fair to themselves and reason.
Thats old thinking lcds have come along way in the last couple of years.
Response times are now good enough for gaming on good lcds.
Post by: awake33 on September 30, 2006, 01:48:00 AM
DD+ and TrueHD is designed to be sent to an AV receiver to be amplified, not to the display. In fact many higher end displays have no speakers or audio capability.
The legacy sony phillips digital interface does not have the bandwith required for lossless audio and video. HDMI v1.3 has over 10Gbps of bandwidth....Yes there are fibreoptic technologies in WAN solutions like OC-256 that have over 13 Gbps that I see at work. The point is these types of fibreoptic technologies are not used for consumer audio applications and the ones that are, are now legacy solutions next to HDMI v1.3.
As for the debate about resolution well there was a good study done by the British broadcasting mob who concluded that depending on viewing distance from the display 720 could be intisnguishable from 1080. Distance from display makes a difference.
I totally agree with you that these new formats are meant to be sent to a receiver. That is the one of my main concerns with HDMI, even if someone plunks down the cash for a display that can do 1080p the majority of them (at least at this point in time) are not going to drop an additional $1k+ on a receiver capable of switching HDMI inputs.
As for the viewing distance points, again, well said. The average consumer sits far too close to a display device for it's given size, not to mention they generally have the picture settings overdriven.
Post by: epsilon72 on September 30, 2006, 09:21:00 AM
I think everyone needs to relax a little on this 1080p thing. If you have a 1080p tv you are getting 1080p RIGHT NOW. Your tv is upscaling it just like the 360 would be doing. And think about it. What device would you rather have doing the scaling? Your Xbox that cost a few hundred or your multi-thousand dollar tv? What if they make a game in native 1080p down the road? So what? Send it to your tv at 1080i, your set will deinterlace it to progressive and you end up with the same thing. As long as your tv has a decent deinterlacer you'll see little to no difference in picture quality. The whole thing is over rated at this point. If you can take advantage of it over component or VGA now or MS releases an official HDMI cable then great. If not, you really aren't missing anything. Now I'm not saying that I don't think they should offer HDMI. They clearly should. Most modern displays look their best when they are fed this way. I'm just saying all the 1080p drama is getting out of hand.
I would rather have 1080p upscaled at the source than by my display. (it's kindof like the difference between playing Halo 2 on an xbox1 in 480p on a 720p tv then playing it on the 360 on the same tv, with the 360 upscaling it to 720p)
1. CRT No HDMI as far as I know, and not available in large screen sizes. Most limited to component 1080i. No doubt best image quality of all types though/
Many CRT's have HDMI. Avoid the budget models that don't, like Sanyo and Insignia.
Post by: kidkinetix on October 04, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Well... I don't think it will. Hopefully the price point won't be too similar to a plasma elite 1080p ($8000). Anyhow, I'm boycotting 1080p until flat panel LCDs are in the 50s with good response time, or plasma 1080p sets (1920 x 1080p, not that 1024x1080p nonsense) are a good price, or SED comes and proves itself. I'm sitting happy right now with a 42" plasma that was a pretty reasonable price, and can't see any reason to need more picture quality.
Post by: Caldor on October 09, 2006, 12:39:00 AM
LCD's suffer from a range of problems :
1. Poor contrast levels in comparison to other technologies
2. Viewing angle not as good as other technologies
3. Problems with dead pixels
5. Screen door effect problems
6. Colour control with deep blacks
People tend to make the mistake that because they own it, its therefore the best. The fact is, using proper measurement tools, it is objectively and conclusively been shown time and again that the best display technology for picture quality is high end CRTs. Next is plasmas, and then down into the other technologies.
SED will rule the future, if they ever come to market. SEDs have been supposed to be coming since the late 1990s.