Post by: Novahux on September 06, 2006, 10:44:00 PM
So I got myself a VGA cable and @#$@, its complete garbage looking at 1360x768 (or any of the other rez's).
My laptop or PC connected to the TV look razor sharp at 1366 x 768, Is there an update to get the xbox to support HDTV's via the VGA cable at 1366 x 768 ?
Any thoughts ?
Post by: Ranger72 on September 07, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: Novahux on September 07, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on September 07, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Novahux @ Sep 7 2006, 01:51 AM) 
So I got myself a VGA cable and @#$@, its complete garbage looking at 1360x768 (or any of the other rez's).
Is this the native resolution?
That may be why it looks like garbage.
And moving to 360 AV Chat...
Post by: Novahux on September 08, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
to summarize
My TV's native rez is not supported by the xbox 360
All HDTV's I had the option of buying were all 1366x768
So I guess, I want to know WhyTF the xbox does not support it ?
and if it can where is the patch to do so.
ta
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 08, 2006, 06:41:00 AM
Either your cable is bad or maybe you're missing a dash update (probably not the case if you're connected to LIVE or have played any recent games)
This post has been edited by twistedsymphony: Sep 8 2006, 01:41 PM
Post by: redwolf on September 08, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 8 2006, 01:12 PM)
The Xbox 360 VGA Cable DOES support that resolution... and AFAIK it has since the begining.
i don't have 1366x768 and alot of LCD HDTV has that as max.
Post by: sicknasty413 on September 08, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: redwolf on September 08, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Sep 8 2006, 08:05 PM)
Umm... afaik vga cables have always supported that resolution. hahaha, maybe pal 360s are getting jipped! (sp?)
it must be PAL
here's mine
no 1366
edit: wtf!!! how come it's not mentioned in this faq
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=415408
Post by: Sargentbash on September 08, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Novahux on September 08, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
would be nice if M$ could add the 1366 rez support as an update, i'm keen to see the DVD playback improvment with upscaling via VGA.
There really should be a disclaimer on the VGA cable packaging, "Looks crap on a 1366x768 HDTV"
This post has been edited by Novahux: Sep 9 2006, 04:12 AM
Post by: sicknasty413 on September 08, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
From xbox.com
QUOTE
*DB-15S Standard VGA Connector
*
Standard and High-definition gaming output in the following VGA formats:
640 x 480, 848x480, 1024 x 768, 1280 x 720, 1280 x 768, 1280 x 1024, and 1360 x 768
Notice..no 1366x768..(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
This post has been edited by sicknasty413: Sep 9 2006, 05:01 AM
Post by: paranoia4422 on September 09, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: Novahux on September 09, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ Sep 10 2006, 05:04 AM)
TVs at fault, not the xbox......it simply has a shit scaler that cant handle a 6pixel difference
I'ts a LA40R71BDX 40" Samsung $3.5KAU worth , And I tried it on my mates Sony Bravia 32" LCD and it still looks washed out and crappy. So I doubt it's the TV's fault
Post by: paranoia4422 on September 09, 2006, 10:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Novahux @ Sep 10 2006, 04:47 AM)
I'ts a LA40R71BDX 40" Samsung $3.5KAU worth , And I tried it on my mates Sony Bravia 32" LCD and it still looks washed out and crappy. So I doubt it's the TV's fault
Unless your xbox is un-updated, yeah it is.
Post by: Novahux on September 10, 2006, 06:52:00 AM
QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ Sep 10 2006, 12:53 PM)
Unless your xbox is un-updated, yeah it is.
Yeah right
and maybe I haven't plugged the power cable in ! or I've confused the xbox with my dreamcast.
Post by: hignaki on September 10, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 10, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Novahux @ Sep 8 2006, 08:39 PM)
Ah well then , its annoying Ive wasted $20 on a useless VGA cable...
The problem is you skimped and bought a POS vga cable. Next time spend the extra $20 to go with your $3.5K HDTV
, and get the MS $40 vga cable and i bet everything will be fine. Funny what people will do to save a buck.Post by: redwolf on September 10, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(hignaki @ Sep 10 2006, 04:42 PM)
This "washed out" shit has got to stop.
Post by: sicknasty413 on September 10, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: epsilon72 on September 10, 2006, 08:13:00 PM
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Sep 10 2006, 04:55 PM)
Yeah, my friend has his on 1240x1024 widescreen...and his tv's native res is 1366x768
wow i'd be interested to see how that looks. i use 1240x1024 (which rocks) on a 1920x1080 native res display.Post by: Novahux on September 10, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
I did exchange the "cheap cable $15USD with a M$ one, and it made no difference.
I'll go take some pics and post the diff, I guess with a cheap nasty LCD TV or Plasma there would be not much noticable difference. (will be back in 5 mins)
Post by: Novahux on September 10, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
And yes I have , applied all the latest XBL updates, spent 30min on the contrast/colour/brightness/sharpness etc settings,.
tried two different cables, expensive & more expense.
confirmed the blurry washed out problem on a Sony Bravia 32" LCD with the same results.
Post by: hignaki on September 10, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
Of course, I never tried it with my original 360, just the one that I got back from Microsoft when I had to send my orig. in.
Post by: Novahux on September 10, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 11, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 11, 2006, 01:45:00 AM
You mean 1366.....not 1360.
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 11, 2006, 07:08:00 AM
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Sep 8 2006, 11:31 PM)
Yeah, due my dislexicness.. I could have swore everyone was biatchin about 1360x768.. which i know for a fact is supported. (I believe twisted made this silly mistake as well)
From xbox.com
Notice..no 1366x768..
yeah you're right I got the two scrwed up.
QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ Sep 9 2006, 05:04 PM)
TVs at fault, not the xbox......it simply has a shit scaler that cant handle a 6pixel difference
That would be my guess. Any decent Faroudja scaller would be able to handle the 6 pixel difference without a problem Most LCDs on the market (yes even the new and expensive ones) use total rubbish for scaller chips, they're designed to scale TV resolutions to the screens native resolution, and that's about it.
A good test would be to put the VGA output into 1280x720 mode...
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 10 2006, 01:44 PM)
The problem is you skimped and bought a POS vga cable. Next time spend the extra $20 to go with your $3.5K HDTV
, and get the MS $40 vga cable and i bet everything will be fine. Funny what people will do to save a buck.Normally I'd agree but this problem doesn't sound like one that would be caused by a cheap cable.
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Sep 10 2006, 02:29 PM)
Perhaps he did buy the MS vga cable... spending 20 australian dollars is probably the same as spending 40 U.S. dollars
HAHAHA not quite, it's the other way around, the US dollar is worth more then the austrailian dollar $20AUS is = $15USD
QUOTE(Novahux @ Sep 11 2006, 01:35 AM)
Sharpness controls are inaccessable in VGA mode, I can plug my laptop in and it's perfect, as good as a normal PC monitor in tearm of sharpness. may there is a sharpness option in the xbox menu ?
The fact that your display doesn't offer any VGA adjustments tells me that the problem is probably in the TV it self. Most HDTVs just aren't made to accept a VGA signal from anything other then a PC (which has internal adjustments). The fact that it doesn't offer any kind of controls is a sure sign that VGA support was nothing more then an after thought.
Based on the pictures you've posted it looks to me like you've got the sharpness on component video cranked WAY too high. Not only that but based on the fact that the text in the 2nd picture is missing the outline it almost looks like the Xbox 360 is outputting in 720x480 mode.... IIRC it drops stuff like outlines in the lower resolutions to make it easier to read. Even still the first picture doesn't look "vibrant" so much as it looks like your adjustments are all way out of whack. I see blooming familiar with brightness/contrast being set too high and I see outlining familiar with sharpness being set too high. Also it looks like the gamma is too high in general. I could be wrong though, it is an edited photo of a picture of a TV being displayed on a completely different monitor here.
Try your Xbox VGA in 1280x720 mode and see if it looks similar to your component video cables.
try your PC in 1360x768 to see if it looks the same as your Xbox VGA
Just because your PC looks correct doesn't mean it's the console's problem PCs have a whole lot of software controls to adjust the picture, not to mention they could be using completely different color spaces which makes the way your TV accepts the signal act differently (and without an adjustment on the TV you're stuck with whichever one they designed it for).
Post by: epsilon72 on September 11, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 12, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Sep 11 2006, 02:37 PM)
Cuz obviously I would know since Ive been to/lived in Australia
I've never been to Australia either, but I knew the US dollar was worth more and it took me all of 20 seconds to google the official conversion rate.
Post by: redwolf on September 12, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Sep 12 2006, 04:33 AM)
Maybe do several hours of gaming with VGA, and see if you get used to it?
that just wrong...@ original poster.
what about other resolution? how are the quality? cos my HDTV res 1024x768 and up looks v.good when compared to component.
if you think they are bad. then you must be like one of my friend. he prefers component as it gives vivid(brighter) colour, sharper (jaggy) image.
Post by: epsilon72 on September 12, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(redwolf @ Sep 12 2006, 10:17 AM)
that just wrong...eh?
how?Post by: redwolf on September 12, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Sep 12 2006, 08:03 PM)
eh?
how?do you have HDTV...if yes, why did you get it? wasn't you used to standard TV
Post by: Novahux on September 12, 2006, 06:51:00 PM
I'd be tempted to blame my TV's VGA input, but getting the same 720p vs VGA results on a Sony 32" as well as my Samsung has me baffeled, maybe it's my 360 thats the problem ?
Or maybe the component input quality on the newer LCD TV's are shitloads better than what you guys have seen so far
(yeah I'll think I'll go with that hypothesis 
)Post by: DaGamePimp on October 05, 2006, 02:32:00 AM
--DGP--
Post by: BuyItModIt on October 31, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: Obveron on January 08, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
Nono, read again. They're talking about 1360x760 native resolutions. There is no problem with the 1366 native tv's.