Post by: Xbox-Scene on July 08, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
| We received this image from a source who wishes to remain anonymous. An Xbox 360 motherboard with a HDMI-port, interesting ... Our source has seen 3 of these motherboards already, so it looks like Microsoft might be working on a new Xbox 360 version with a HDMI-port. However it's totally unknown when/if it'll be released to the public and if this will be included with all packages or only on the Premium. Or, who-knows, maybe it'll be for a 3rd package ... maybe even with an internal HD-DVD drive after all, to compete with the high-end PS3? (but that's pure speculation and MS PR recently denied working on an internal HD-DVD). A digital output would certainly come as good news for those out there with new HDTV-sets and it could be pretty useful for the HD-DVD addon too, certainly if those movies will ever be HDCP-protected (Image Constraint Token flag). However people who already paid $400 for their 360 might feel less happy if Microsoft releases this soon. |
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Funkadelik on July 08, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: xboxexpert on July 08, 2006, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Funkadelik @ Jul 8 2006, 12:04 PM) 
I need that. It kinda pisses me off, though. I just layed $400 for a 'premium' xbox, and its not the best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
Agreed.
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 08, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
If thats real thats cool, but i was thinkin MS would have released an add on, as they said they dont want to force anything uneeded onto people. Plus it'd suck the ammount of people who would have to buy another 360 just for the HDMI port.
Post by: fasmanza on July 08, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(jk009 @ Jul 8 2006, 06:03 PM)
The sad news is, what about the people who have old 360's with out?
Agreed a 100% this really bites for current 360 owners,but something gives me the idea that all the 360s that will have this port will also have a Philips drive that doesnt currently have a hacked firmware (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: j666* on July 08, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(j666* @ Jul 8 2006, 11:07 AM) 
at least they listened to there users maybe they will offer people wit old 360s sum kinda adaptor if its possible
I'm not exactly sure if this is possible as the current output is not digital with HDCP (I believe) so the only way to do it would be throught the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Add-On, Right? Or would it be possible to go USB-HDMI (USB Not Fast Enough I believe). Unless they offer a not digital to digital conversion box, I don't think it is possible.
Oh and I noticed, a third package could that mean a HD-DVD built it package; even though MS denied it? And then the rest bundled seprate with a coupon of some sort to redeme it?
Post by: prplehz on July 08, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Jul 8 2006, 11:14 AM)
Those bastards better let me exchange mine for a new one. That just sucks, but is good at the same time.
Could MS really make make an exchange program, it seems SO unlikely at this point. Maybe if you go to where you bought it they could exchange it.
Post by: Player_X on July 08, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: pCeSlAyEr on July 08, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: JimmyHACK on July 08, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
hey lets screw over early adopters
Post by: tutu on July 08, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
It was short sighted of MS in the first place not to offer a HDMI port on the 360. Not that it makes much difference (in picture quality) compared to component. Perhaps you need a HDMI port now for the HD-DVD addon?
Post by: crispwarez on July 08, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
PROBS WONT BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
QUOTE(crispwarez @ Jul 8 2006, 11:23 AM)
ITS PROBABLY ONLY A DEVOPERS MACHINE
PROBS WONT BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC
And what makes you think that? Sony is going for it, and component is out of date...Where do ya go, to HDMI...And why would devs build on HDMI and then sell their products on lower end machines?
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 10:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Hoescout @ Jul 8 2006, 11:27 AM)
Thats a nice dream, exchaging the Consoles... LOL so what do you suppose M§ will do with non-HDMI mobos with expensive transistors/memory chips/graphic chips etc. on em?? Throw away? Solder them out and put in the new HDMI mobos? Yea keep dreaming..
M§ is a gay company wanting to rip off as much bucks as possible from poor customers, by making them pay for every single shit (optical audio/vga/hdmi/yuv cables...) same as xbox 1, didnt even have a digital optical audio output and stuff..
I hope that firmware flashing stuff gonna ruin those mofos.
Um, you have quite the argument...Now, we made mod chips for X1, and did it affect anything....Um NO. Will the 360 be any different, NO... MS could most likly care so less about mods. All they have to do is upgrade the software to out-di modders... It is that easy...
Post by: willgonz on July 08, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: pash on July 08, 2006, 10:29:00 AM
MS never will...
Post by: splitface on July 08, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: pike on July 08, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
What I'm getting at: surely they can't remove support for the old output system ?
Post by: CreziB on July 08, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
I'm glad I have a slew of friends that don't care about HDMI. I'll sell to them at some point. Kinda lookin forward to a PS3 at some point instead.
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(pike @ Jul 8 2006, 11:38 AM)
wouldn't a 360 with just hdmi connector only be usable with hdmi devices ?
What I'm getting at: surely they can't remove support for the old output system ?
If you look at the pic, below the HDMI is a regular connector.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on July 08, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
QUOTE(splitface @ Jul 8 2006, 11:38 AM)
Has that picture been flipped? everything is on the wrong side.
Hmm yeah it is...
unless this new HDMI-360 will be completely backwards, dvd drive on the other side, HDD, RoL, etc...
Post by: 0794 on July 08, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
Anything from here on is pure s p e c u l a t i o n . . .
So, argue a bit, then hop on the 360 and enjoy. Time will tell.
Post by: bonevichio on July 08, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 08, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Jul 8 2006, 04:43 PM)
Hmm yeah it is...
unless this new HDMI-360 will be completely backwards, dvd drive on the other side, HDD, RoL, etc...
Lmao, the console would literally be upside down then
Post by: Diontae18 on July 08, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Funkadelik @ Jul 8 2006, 01:04 PM)
I need that. It kinda pisses me off, though. I just layed $400 for a 'premium' xbox, and its not the best
Tell me about it. I just bought a premium 360 4 days ago, and now this
Post by: pdottz on July 08, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
in case no one bought this i'll expliain how bestbuys plan works. if at anytime during the 2 years your prodcut breaks, they exchange it in-store.
this means, if the old product is no longer made or carried by them, they exchange your product for the next model up.
so if this is true and if it comes out within the next 2 yrs, i'll be replacing my 360 with the HDMI models.
but like the last few 360 RUMORS this one might not be true either.
Post by: chedabob on July 08, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
you know why?
well, MS have never released any form of a console with a standalone port, always done through the a/v multi out.
and secondly. the network ports is always on the right. it is on the current 360s and on the xbox 1.
and thirdly, that heat sink is on the wrong side, same goes for the pcb. the pcb should be on the left, cos the av multi and the network is always on the far right hand side of the xbox and 360s motherboards.
only plausible reason for the wrong way round is that someone horizontally flipped the image, but why? and if they were in some image editing software, they could easily photoshop it.
Post by: mksoftware on July 08, 2006, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on July 08, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
"MS says no hdmi port"
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Jul 8 2006, 12:45 PM)
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkE.
you know why?
well, MS have never released any form of a console with a standalone port, always done through the a/v multi out.
and secondly. the network ports is always on the right. it is on the current 360s and on the xbox 1.
and thirdly, that heat sink is on the wrong side, same goes for the pcb. the pcb should be on the left, cos the av multi and the network is always on the far right hand side of the xbox and 360s motherboards.
only plausible reason for the wrong way round is that someone horizontally flipped the image, but why? and if they were in some image editing software, they could easily photoshop it.
1. Good point, but with HDMI you can't have both on the same port, just can't happen.
2. So who is to say that it can't be changed.
3. See Number 2
4. Could they remake the system physically on the back, yes.
Post by: mksoftware on July 08, 2006, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ Jul 8 2006, 07:58 PM)
just like all the recent speculation news threads, im sure tomorrow there will be a news post
"MS says no hdmi port"
Lol, yeah...
We had quite much responses from them lately
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(mksoftware @ Jul 8 2006, 12:59 PM)
Lol, yeah...
We had quite much responses from them lately
So true, but they will eventually need a HDMI as the old ports go away. The best way is to upgrade, not that it sucks ass for those who got one now till a new version comes out, but that's just the way it is.
Post by: STICKY_BUD on July 08, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Jul 8 2006, 10:45 AM)
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkE.
you know why?
well, MS have never released any form of a console with a standalone port, always done through the a/v multi out.
and secondly. the network ports is always on the right. it is on the current 360s and on the xbox 1.
and thirdly, that heat sink is on the wrong side, same goes for the pcb. the pcb should be on the left, cos the av multi and the network is always on the far right hand side of the xbox and 360s motherboards.
only plausible reason for the wrong way round is that someone horizontally flipped the image, but why? and if they were in some image editing software, they could easily photoshop it.
i definitely agree - this is a fake
the horizontal transposition is a dead giveaway, but you can tell also by the xbox1 molex fan connector in the faked picture - it is a xbox1 mobo
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(STICKY_BUD @ Jul 8 2006, 01:09 PM)
i definitely agree - this is a fake
the horizontal transposition is a dead giveaway, but you can tell also by the xbox1 molex fan connector in the faked picture - it is a xbox1 mobo
Your logic is flawed, this is how.
take a look at your X-Box (If stock back) and look at it.
1. Since when does the Xbox (even if moded) have a USB/Ethernet on the same expansion slot of the motherboard...NEVER
2. The orginal Xbox could NEVER have HDMI
3. The pic shows HDMI/Regular MS connection....Can't buy it or even solder it in...
4. The only way to be fake is PS...
5.
6. MORE: The Xbox does not use the same video connector!
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
Even so here is my logic that I had to modify so many times:
1. Since when does the Xbox (even if moded) have a USB/Ethernet on the same expansion slot of the motherboard...NEVER
2. The orginal Xbox could NEVER have HDMI
3. The pic shows HDMI/Regular MS connection....Can't buy it or even solder it in...
5. <VOID>
6. MORE: The Xbox does not use the same video connector!
7. The rear of an Xbox does not look even close to that.
Post by: Edy on July 08, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: pcsguy88 on July 08, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
I want this to be fake. MS better release an A/V out to HDMI cable. Please don't f*** us MS, I've been supporting you for 4yrs.
Post by: skarekr0 on July 08, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: cooljerk_dv on July 08, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE(pcsguy88 @ Jul 8 2006, 01:37 PM)
Umm..... So if this is true, how will we get our sound? I don't know about you, but I don't want to play games or watch movies using Dolby 2.0 from HDMI thru the speakers on my plasma. I certainly don't have a receiver with an HDMI swith built in and last time I checked, HDMI was not able to support anything higher than 2.0 at this time (yes, I know it will support 7.1 at some point, I just don't know if it does now).
I want this to be fake. MS better release an A/V out to HDMI cable. Please don't f*** us MS, I've been supporting you for 4yrs.
How would it be currently possible? You would need a box, am I right?
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on July 08, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: AfGhAnGsTa on July 08, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: tNCecil on July 08, 2006, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: chedabob on July 08, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
in reply to whoever said my ideas were wrong:
7 xbox versions have had the ethernet on the right of the a/v and on the right side of the board.
Post by: Biaz on July 08, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
God dammit....
Post by: DonkeyBeliever on July 08, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
I highly doubt MS would provide a second version of the x360, unless it was some type of "Media Center Edition" as previously stated. More Sony Fanboy trolling, do not feed!
Post by: MaTiAz on July 08, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: rihgt682 on July 08, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE
they're redoing the case
I HOPE so!!!!! Xbox 360 is relly ugly. They should make it black like the regular xbox with clear X on the side.
Post by: jk009 on July 08, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(rihgt682 @ Jul 8 2006, 02:25 PM)
I hope this is true. I also hope they will put HDMI 1.3.
I HOPE so!!!!! Xbox 360 is relly ugly. They should make it black like the regular xbox with clear X on the side.
That would be more than sweet! Completly modable out of the box!!!
Post by: 10001110101 on July 08, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Jul 8 2006, 11:45 AM)
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkE.
you know why?
well, MS have never released any form of a console with a standalone port, always done through the a/v multi out.
and secondly. the network ports is always on the right. it is on the current 360s and on the xbox 1.
and thirdly, that heat sink is on the wrong side, same goes for the pcb. the pcb should be on the left, cos the av multi and the network is always on the far right hand side of the xbox and 360s motherboards.
only plausible reason for the wrong way round is that someone horizontally flipped the image, but why? and if they were in some image editing software, they could easily photoshop it.
very good point. and to the guy above me(jk009)... shut up and go read your playgirl
Post by: Hack_Bird on July 08, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Yes I buy ed a X360 Premium !
But my wish is M$ will give a great discount on buying a new Xb360 with HDMI when i bring my old X360 back...
And they resell it for 250 Euro (Or i buy a second 360 for 299 With a hdmi port and keep my first 360)
What ever, i wait till MS replies to this image or for what is to come
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 08, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(pcsguy88 @ Jul 8 2006, 06:37 PM)
Umm..... So if this is true, how will we get our sound? I don't know about you, but I don't want to play games or watch movies using Dolby 2.0 from HDMI thru the speakers on my plasma. I certainly don't have a receiver with an HDMI swith built in and last time I checked, HDMI was not able to support anything higher than 2.0 at this time (yes, I know it will support 7.1 at some point, I just don't know if it does now).
I want this to be fake. MS better release an A/V out to HDMI cable. Please don't f*** us MS, I've been supporting you for 4yrs.
Its not too hard, see what you do is, you put your current AV connecter in then use you optical cable to connect to your Dolby Digital surround system. Not exactly hard is it?
Post by: m00nstone on July 08, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
How tragic would that be? I would say some sort of HD pack adapter is necessary. Why not just release it with the player itself??
Post by: STICKY_BUD on July 08, 2006, 03:03:00 PM
QUOTE(jk009 @ Jul 8 2006, 11:16 AM)
Your logic is flawed, this is how.
take a look at your X-Box (If stock back) and look at it.
1. Since when does the Xbox (even if moded) have a USB/Ethernet on the same expansion slot of the motherboard...NEVER
2. The orginal Xbox could NEVER have HDMI
3. The pic shows HDMI/Regular MS connection....Can't buy it or even solder it in...
4. The only way to be fake is PS...
5.
6. MORE: The Xbox does not use the same video connector!
umm, actually if it is a fake, none of what you just typed here matters now does it?
if you have never bothered to look at the inside on a xbox or xbox360, then do us all a favor and stick to what you know... others have already agreed that the picture was obviously transposed and all i added to the conversation was one additional point about the molex fan connectoer, which also points to it being fake, but you did not bother to address either of thoise points.
Post by: badbob001 on July 08, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
QUOTE(quarky42 @ Jul 8 2006, 06:23 PM)
I can see people that have absolutely no space in their entertainment center or college students possibly wanting an "all in one" device, but keep in mind you sacrifice a lot, usually, to get "all in one" functionality. I doubt that games will look very different at HDMI versus Component video.
I just imagined these college students with a 42" HDMI screen crying for an all-in-one because they just can't fit anymore into their sliver of a living space.
Post by: CerealKiller741 on July 08, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
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Post by: krims0n on July 08, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Landlocked on July 08, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
QUOTE(krims0n @ Jul 8 2006, 07:52 PM)
I don't understand why people get so upset about MS trying to move forward and improve parts of the 360 to stay competitive. Adding an HDMI port to a new revision does no harm to current owners. It's not like games will be "HDMI Only" or something, it's just an a/v connection. So why should MS hold back from updating the console? To not hurt our feelings? If my 360 ever breaks and I have to buy a new one I'd be more then happy if that new one had an HDMI port and internal HD-DVD player!
If one or both of mine break, I'll glady buy a new HDMI unit if they're around. The beef is with XBOX shipping before it was ready for primetime so it could get a leg up on PS3.
Post by: rihgt682 on July 08, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: paranoia4422 on July 08, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Manya @ Jul 9 2006, 01:00 AM)
i'd love one with HDMI. I mean, even though my plasma has component, using the DVI port gives way better picture. You notice it when watching DVD's with an upscaled DVD player.
Also, you don't have to setup any colour settings when using DVI/HDMI, you only have to adjust the brightness.
My sets the oppisite, component deliver superior quality compared to digital....all depends on your set
Post by: Reaper527 on July 08, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Manya @ Jul 8 2006, 08:00 PM)
i'd love one with HDMI. I mean, even though my plasma has component, using the DVI port gives way better picture. You notice it when watching DVD's with an upscaled DVD player.
Also, you don't have to setup any colour settings when using DVI/HDMI, you only have to adjust the brightness.
DVI == HDMI for the most part as far as interchangability goes, you can get an adaptor make the end pin out differantly and there will be no quality loss
Post by: Foe-hammer on July 08, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
VGA can handle resolutions over 1080p, and has been doing so for over a decade. And there is argueably no difference in image quality, from vga to hdmi.
The only reason for hdmi is for copy protection, and not the 'better connection' that the PR try to make it out to be. What a joke.
Post by: jtom617 on July 08, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: STICKY_BUD on July 08, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
QUOTE(jtom617 @ Jul 8 2006, 07:08 PM)
did anyone happen to notice the normal 3pin fan connection next the the port? i thought the 360 had the p4 style power for the fans. Tell me if im wrong, but it sure looks like a normal 3pin fan connector, that you would find on a PC motherboard..
yes, i pointed that out this morning and to me it looks an awful lot like a transposed and obviously fake photo of an xbox1 mobo. possibly someone went through the trouble of glueing the parts onto an old xbox1 mobo, but i fail to see why someone would do that when they could photochop it(there are plenty of online photos to find the right parts needed to do this).
Post by: heraldoffailure on July 08, 2006, 11:24:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on July 08, 2006, 11:50:00 PM
In the Xbox 360, all the GPU's outputs and stuff are in a purely digital form, they then get converted to an analog singal in the video encoder. Similarly, a HDTV takes in the analog signal and converts it abck to digital, to control the screen itself.
I work at a comapny that designs audio amplifiers, I know first hand the effects of converting from analog to digital and back, you lose quality. Unlike digital signals, there is a degree of uncertainty in an analog signal, and it often does not get correctly interpreted on the other end.
However, if you have a straight digital signal from the output device all the way to the TV, you are certian that the signal is getting there properly, without any distortion from outside sources, like RF interferance and other noise that plagues analog signals far worse than digital.
So, for the average joe, the difference is not that noticable, the data is the same (the onyl difference is the way it is transmitted), but for an A/V nut/audiophile like me, i can very easily see the diffrence
Post by: Anastrophe on July 09, 2006, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: DrTek on July 09, 2006, 12:30:00 AM
It always pays out in the end. I am pretty sure M$ WILL integrate HD-DVD
and HDMI in the next "facelift" of the 360 - they have to.
I bought my Xbox 1 4 four years after its release and I am enjoying a full hacked,
super scene-supported console with tons and tons of games.
Just my 2-Cents!
Tek
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on July 09, 2006, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: chedabob on July 09, 2006, 03:19:00 AM
QUOTE(downlowfunk @ Jul 8 2006, 10:10 PM)
Or maybe the entire board is redesigned you ignorant fool.
or maybe they wouldnt bother. they never did it any of the xbox versions, so why start doing it now?
look at all you people, like "OMFG I HATE MS, i want HDMI", does it really matter? MS are covering all their bases. look at the HD-DVD drive, its not internal, so people have a choice over whether they have it or not, and for early adopters to have it.
i bet most of the people moanin are people without HDMI tvs, or people who it wouldnt really benefit. component gives the best picture, only benefit HDMI has is that the copy protection doesnt upscale, so you get native resolutions. but so far it looks like HD-DVD wont do this, the full res will be outputted through component, so theres no need to worry.
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jul 9 2006, 08:44 AM)
This will cause big issues, due to any people who actually want/need a HDMI port have a 360 already.
NEED? who needs HDMI? all tvs with HDMI come with component, so wheres the problem? and if you dont have a component input, use a hdmi to dvi convertor.
Post by: matthunter3 on July 09, 2006, 05:43:00 AM
oh nd just think about it, why would ms want to internalize a hd dvd drive, think about it wht if that format failed, and the 360 didnt sell well because the public thought it was inferior, think about it, internal hd dvd would be a bad idea.
Post by: halofun121 on July 09, 2006, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(matthunter3 @ Jul 9 2006, 07:50 AM)
oh nd just think about it, why would ms want to internalize a hd dvd drive, think about it wht if that format failed, and the 360 didnt sell well because the public thought it was inferior, think about it, internal hd dvd would be a bad idea.
Well then make a hybrid HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive
. Sounds like a good dream to me.
Post by: 10001110101 on July 09, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ Jul 8 2006, 03:13 PM)
I bet %80 of the people here bitching don't own a HDMI tv and won't for quite some time......
I will only buy it if it support 1080p(not even that important....but when I upgrade my Hitachi 51F59 in 2 years it would be nice to have)
Get your panties out of a bunch, if you were smart and saved your box just return the console to walmart.....
it already supports 1080p
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on July 09, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Spectro @ Jul 9 2006, 08:28 AM)
I remember MS saying the 360 was fully capable of outputting through HDMI if the need arises, simply by MS releasing a HDMI-cable. I haven't researched this any further, but it sounds feasible to me.
I'm pretty familiar with the pinout of the A/V port on the 360, there are nowhere near enough unused pins on that plug to have a HDMI out, if they did decide to support HDMI, it would look like, well, like that pic right there! Hmmm
What they meant, was probably that the chipset/video encoder supports HDMI, so all they have to do is add a plug and hook it up.
Which means, is once this comes out (or if this "anonymous source" releases some higher res pics on the traces on the board), one could "upgrade" their 360 to have a HDMI out, similar to my VGA output mod. Hell, with some better pics, I could have HDMI on my 360 tomorrow...
Im gonna be doing some poking around on the ana chip to see what I can find
Post by: StepsAscend on July 09, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: Shadow of Light on July 09, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 10, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Shadow of Light @ Jul 10 2006, 01:24 AM)
You have to wonder if MS might have jumped the gun with the release of the XB 360. In the market of video games, timing is just as important as the technology that is put into the system. Now, while they do get a head start with thie early release of the 360, they have also boxed themself into a corner. The competition (namely Sony) now has the advantage to incorporate newer technology as development progresses, making it easier to outshine MS. This forces MS into making a decision. They either have to wait for the next generation of consoles or they have to redisign the one they have out now. The one thing MS can NOT afford to do at this point is fall behind- that's how the Dreamcast was killed. Releasing a new and improved media console with technology that better rivals the upcomming PS3 makes sense.
FUD FUD FUD and more FUD
HDMI was around long before the Xbox 360 was released, the time they released the console had nothing to do with them not incorporating an HDMI port. Questions about HDMI support started right from the moment the thing was announced. They made a conscience decision NOT to include it. Whether it was a good or bad decision was beside the point. Being that HDMI is based off of the DVI spec they could have implemented it in the Xbox 1 if they really wanted to.
Most likely their decision to not include it has to do with this: http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#q2_4
The only "technology" MS missed out in incorporating by releasing when they did was a blue laser disc format. And they only reason they DIDN'T include it was because they would have had to delay their launch until an unknown date when it would have become available (never mind affordable). Sony decided that including the tech was more important then launching on time so their console is now launching about year later then originally anticipated. The rest of the tech isn't any more advanced because they started their design work at the same time as MS. So far the blue laser drives haven't even proven to be an advantage. the 360 seems to be getting along fine without one and the stand alone players are selling like crap not to mention that they're proving to be an enormous let-down in terms of picture quality and media reliability (with Blu-Ray being worse then HD-DVD in both of those departments).
Finally it wasn't technology that killed the Dreamcast it was poor management and a history of let downs. If the last # consoles your company released were huge disappointments even when you release a good product the industry and consumers alike will be extremely hesitant.
The Sega CD... tanked
The Sega CDX... tanked
The Sega 32X... tanked
The Sega Neptune... failed to launch
The Sega Saturn... tanked
Even the hand helds:
The Sega GameGear tanked and
The Sega Nomad tanked as well
Then Sega releases the Dreamcast... based on their prior history over the previous decade, coupled with probably the worst marketing and even more horrible company management It's amazing the Dreamcast sold as well as it did Regardless of how good, bad, or appealing the Dreamcast actually was developers and consumers alike turned up their noses based purely on the consoles history.
Sony on the other hand had the best received console of the previous generation huge financial backing and un-arguably one of the best marketing departments on the face of the planet.
It doesn't take a market analyst to see WHY the Dreamcast failed and WHY MS's situation is NOTHING like that of the Dreamcasts.
MS is coming off of a fairly competitive last generation, even better is their fantastic track record for success in other fields
MS is one of the few companies on the planet with the management and bigger financial backing then Sony.
MS might not be a hype machine but their Xbox advertising is actually AWARD WINNING.
When the PS3 comes out the only thing Sony will have over MS is HDMI and brand loyalty.
... and apparently MS is working on fixing their previous mistake of not including HDMI.
Post by: troyBORG on July 10, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: Shadow of Light on July 10, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 10 2006, 05:28 AM)
FUD FUD FUD and more FUD
HDMI was around long before the Xbox 360 was released, the time they released the console had nothing to do with them not incorporating an HDMI port. Questions about HDMI support started right from the moment the thing was announced. They made a conscience decision NOT to include it. Whether it was a good or bad decision was beside the point. Being that HDMI is based off of the DVI spec they could have implemented it in the Xbox 1 if they really wanted to.
Most likely their decision to not include it has to do with this: http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#q2_4
The only "technology" MS missed out in incorporating by releasing when they did was a blue laser disc format. And they only reason they DIDN'T include it was because they would have had to delay their launch until an unknown date when it would have become available (never mind affordable). Sony decided that including the tech was more important then launching on time so their console is now launching about year later then originally anticipated. The rest of the tech isn't any more advanced because they started their design work at the same time as MS. So far the blue laser drives haven't even proven to be an advantage. the 360 seems to be getting along fine without one and the stand alone players are selling like crap not to mention that they're proving to be an enormous let-down in terms of picture quality and media reliability (with Blu-Ray being worse then HD-DVD in both of those departments).
Finally it wasn't technology that killed the Dreamcast it was poor management and a history of let downs. If the last # consoles your company released were huge disappointments even when you release a good product the industry and consumers alike will be extremely hesitant.
The Sega CD... tanked
The Sega CDX... tanked
The Sega 32X... tanked
The Sega Neptune... failed to launch
The Sega Saturn... tanked
Even the hand helds:
The Sega GameGear tanked and
The Sega Nomad tanked as well
Then Sega releases the Dreamcast... based on their prior history over the previous decade, coupled with probably the worst marketing and even more horrible company management It's amazing the Dreamcast sold as well as it did Regardless of how good, bad, or appealing the Dreamcast actually was developers and consumers alike turned up their noses based purely on the consoles history.
Sony on the other hand had the best received console of the previous generation huge financial backing and un-arguably one of the best marketing departments on the face of the planet.
It doesn't take a market analyst to see WHY the Dreamcast failed and WHY MS's situation is NOTHING like that of the Dreamcasts.
MS is coming off of a fairly competitive last generation, even better is their fantastic track record for success in other fields
MS is one of the few companies on the planet with the management and bigger financial backing then Sony.
MS might not be a hype machine but their Xbox advertising is actually AWARD WINNING.
When the PS3 comes out the only thing Sony will have over MS is HDMI and brand loyalty.
... and apparently MS is working on fixing their previous mistake of not including HDMI.
Ok, you beat mehttp://images.xbox-scene.com/forums/style_images/oldx/folder_post_icons/icon4.gif
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But the Dreamcast (a MS-Sega project) was also released right before the PS2, which was way above it's weight-class in terms of everything. My actual main point was to give a nudge to the reality of the HDMI port, not knocking MS for thier decision wether to include it or not. Anyways, its all just my $.02
Post by: vandensd on July 12, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Oh, and I just thought of this so you can compare the length of the board versus the length of the 360. The back part of the board shown sticks out as I said and would go into the bay of the hard drive. This bay alone is an inset and would take away a few inches of the space available in the box and further prove that this HDMI connector would never fit in that area because there wouldn't be enough space.
Post by: fahrenheit on July 12, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: vandensd on July 13, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
http://www.anandtech...doc.aspx?i=2611
The link below show the ports of the motherboard
http://www.anandtech...aspx?i=2611&p=2
One thing I do notice and you can leave this up to your imagination I guess. The spokes on the sides which will contact with the casing when it's inside the unit are on all pieces EXCEPT the HDMI. Look at the ports section of the above link and you will see that these pieces of metal appear on the USB and ETHERNET ports that are stacked on each other. But you do not see the metal on the HDMI which the AVI port is stacked on.
Post by: samsbak on July 13, 2006, 12:40:00 PM
That clears it up...
NO INTERNAL HD-DVD Drives ... the usb hd-dvd addon has HDMI output on it!
Post by: cerberus414 on August 30, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
http://www.gamestop....oduct_id=802523
I really don't know what it is but the fact that it costs $99 tells me there is more to it than just an HDMI cable. Also it will ship on 12/1/06. I'm pretty sure that this isn't fake. So... discuss?
Post by: sicknasty413 on August 30, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: cerberus414 on August 30, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: redwolf on August 31, 2006, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(cerberus414 @ Aug 31 2006, 05:23 AM)
wtf, so it's just a cable. Why so expensive? and why put it under the xbox 360 accessories category if it doesn't even have an HDMI......
you can NOW buy Component to HDMI transcoder in the market or something like VGA to DVI or similar and they are VERY expensive. here is some info http://www.sewellsup...mponent-to-hdmi
Post by: epsilon72 on September 03, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(cerberus414 @ Aug 30 2006, 09:23 PM)
wtf, so it's just a cable. Why so expensive? ....
Price gouging. Most people think an HDMI cable is supposed to be $100, when in reality you probably shouldn't be paying more than $30 or so (i guess if you have a cable longer than 6', it'll probably be more than that though). Just as a $3 optical audio cable is just good as a $150 one, the same applies to all other digital formats, including HDMI.
Post by: Ronu on September 04, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: ben1989 on December 16, 2006, 05:29:00 AM
Post by: Morninglight on December 16, 2006, 05:45:00 AM
I have a Philips HDTV TFT with DVI-in, so I had to buy a component to DVI cable....
Post by: appleguru on January 05, 2007, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: viper091 on February 26, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(RubberShoes @ Feb 26 2007, 03:27 AM)
Although Microsoft has not officially announced it, they WILL be introducing a new Xbox 360 later this year. With that is includes:
-Digital Out port, including DVI,HDMI, and all the rest of them.
-Built in HD-DVD drive
-New 65mm processor cores, providing the same 3 core power but producing much less heat and more energy efficient.
-120GB or higher 2.5' HDD
-IPTV to stream over content through the console
Microsoft is also pushing many things with the online TV concept and also pushing for new controllers, "he" wouldn't tell me everything about the controllers, but just hold your money before you buy any more.
As for the rest of us with the standard consoles, unless you have a 1080p TV or still haven't cracked open your console, this really doesn't effect you unless you just bought it. As for me I've got a 160GB 3.5' HDD duct taped to the top of my console, along with 5 fans to keep the damn console cool, so yes I'll miss an HD-DVD drive and digital out, but for my 1980 20' (dunno if its even 480i, did they ever make 320i?) Toshiba TV, these new specs really wouldn't help me, so don't fuss over it.
BTW, all of this information is from a guy who works for Microsoft, so unless they change something I can almost guarantee most of this is true.
i feel so ripped off
Post by: jabroniekilla on February 26, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: JustDanMI on February 28, 2007, 05:07:00 PM
Possible Confirmation?
And then this a week afterwards:
Closer to confirmation?
Post by: Darkjasper on March 03, 2007, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 03, 2007, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: THC Kuma on March 21, 2007, 08:56:00 AM
Xbox 360 Elite: new, black limited edition Xbox with HDMI and 120GB drive
>> From engadget.com:QUOTE
We've confirmed with trusted sources that the black Xbox 360 is indeed coming, and will be dubbed the Xbox 360 Elite. Here's what you need to know about it:
* The Elite will be limited quantities only; that may be as much or as little as a couple hundred thousand.
* The case, controller, and Live headset will all be black. It will have all new packaging.
* Elite will cost $479, and will be a 3rd SKU; it will be sold alongside Premium and Core packs.
* Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
* Elite models run cooler than normal 360s, but they are not yet confirmed to have 65nm chips.
Full Story: engadget.com
Game Informer Magazine is also confirming the black Xbox360 in their upcoming issue
Fake huh? Looks like some will be eating there own words......lol
Post by: Nemo[ on March 22, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
"We will provide HDMI when it makes sense"
Not
"We will provide a HDMI CABLE when it makes sense"