Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 02:40:00 PM
27" flat screen: The stylish flat screen increases the viewing angle and minimizes distortion and glare for a great picture from anywhere in the room.
HDTV monitor: Just connect an optional HD receiver to experience the brilliant clarity and detail of high-definition programming.
Improved picture: The 4-line digital comb filter, velocity scan modulation and Dynamic Focus features combine to deliver a perfect picture every time.
A/V versatility: S-video and component video inputs help deliver the best possible picture from DVD players, satellite receivers and other home theater components.
Enhanced audio: MTS stereo delivers 16 watts of sound for soundtracks that are as crisp and clear as the picture. Bass and treble controls make it simple to tailor the sound to your liking.
So I assume it does
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on January 17, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: lileclerc20 on January 17, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
but any way that would work and its nice
Post by: tommiwan on January 17, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
I'll bet it's an EDTV which does 480P. (just a guess though)
Edit: if you go to the accesories tab it lists component cables, does that mean it has a component input? this is the problem, I would not be able to buy a tv offline without being able to see it in action.
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Mjkthirdeye @ Jan 17 2006, 03:47 PM) 
A/V versatility: S-video and component video inputs help deliver the best possible picture from DVD players, satellite receivers and other home theater components.
Ehem
Post by: linkpwns on January 17, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
Toshiba...
Philips...
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(adfinder23 @ Jan 17 2006, 03:53 PM)
Doesn't HDTV have to be widescreen?
No, It will just have the horizontal bars across the screen when in a widescreen resolution
Post by: lileclerc20 on January 17, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
you need an HD Receiver wich means you have to spend another $250.00 for that to get hi def on that televison.. i googled it and that tv only has the red white and yellow plugs..
its not "HD ready" hi def tvs say that it should say that!
Post by: deadparrot on January 17, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
If you want a nice plasma/HDTV, get a Pioneer PDP436XDE or similar in their range. Amazing picture on those.
Post by: lileclerc20 on January 17, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: lileclerc20 on January 17, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
QUOTE(linkpwns @ Jan 17 2006, 04:13 PM)
did u see the two other tvs? do i need recievers for them? i know that an hd monitor will let me play my xbox360 in hd, but not normal tv...
That toshiba one isnt a bad deal, and its got a built in hdtv tuner so you'd be ready to go...
and only 300 bucks
Remember if it's refurbished by the manufacturer it has to meet certain standards, so it'll be ok...
Still the word refurb usually make alot of people hesitant to just jump in to buy it.
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on January 17, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on January 17, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(linkpwns @ Jan 17 2006, 04:31 PM)
this tv is mainly gonna be used for the 360 anyways, i dont really care about watching G4TV on an hd tv lol
Plus, if you ever want to watch anything besides your locals; Over The Air ATSC (HD), you'll need a reciever (or cable card connection) anyway. So if the TV is lacking a tuner (which many are), it's not such a bad thing.
EDIT: I forgot to add. I have a 27" Zenith HDTV CRT monitor bought a couple of years ago for the bedroom,and let me just say full screen HDTVs are not worth it, IMO. I don't mind watching movies with black bars (actually even prefer it sometimes) but games; it's just annoying on an already small screen.
Post by: thursdayniac on January 17, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: linkpwns on January 17, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on January 17, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(linkpwns @ Jan 17 2006, 04:44 PM)
so wait, i dont really wanna watch locals, im subscribed to direct tv, ill still be able to watch normal tv from direct tv, right?
yes, through your DirectTV reciever via your svideo or composite video cable. What I'm saying is TVs with built in HD tuners allow you to watch ONLY your locals in high def via an antenna.. that's it (exception cablecard, which consequently sucks in its own right because you lose many on screen funtionalities, though it's a step in the right direction).
Post by: linkpwns on January 17, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: linkpwns on January 17, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on January 17, 2006, 04:49:00 PM
QUOTE(linkpwns @ Jan 17 2006, 05:17 PM)
really? Your probably right...it is widescreen, major plus, but the advent is flat screen (crt or lcd, idk), which would make it good for my small room...ehh ill wait for some more opinions, and if toshiba wins, my full trust is in u
What is right to YOU is the question? There is no "one size fits all" right or wrong. If space is a factor then obviously a smaller form factor weighs heavily in your decision. I wouldn't buy a single one of them, but that's just me. Some people don't mind black bars while gaming, but I do so I think the Advent is no good. The Philips you won't even be able to hook up to your 360 (in HD), unless you find some sort of HDMI to component Video adapter (if there even is one). The Toshiba is big, as are all CRTs.
For me:
Based on everything available now, I'd go with a plasma. Hopefully SED is released this year at a reasonable cost, in the 40-52" range, then my decision will be even easier.
EDIT: I'm pretty sure they're all flat screen.
Post by: linkpwns on January 17, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
QUOTE(babanoosh @ Jan 17 2006, 06:56 PM)
What is right to YOU is the question? There is no "one size fits all" right or wrong. If space is a factor then obviously a smaller form factor weighs heavily in your decision. I wouldn't buy a single one of them, but that's just me. Some people don't mind black bars while gaming, but I do so I think the Advent is no good. The Philips you won't even be able to hook up to your 360 (in HD), unless you find some sort of HDMI to component Video adapter (if there even is one). The Toshiba is big, as are all CRTs.
For me:
Based on everything available now, I'd go with a plasma. Hopefully SED is released this year at a reasonable cost, in the 40-52" range, then my decision will be even easier.
EDIT: I'm pretty sure they're all flat screen.
well, im short on cash, im gonna go with the toshiba, it seems like a good starter, i just hate black bars...yuck...so im gonna go with the toshiba. Size is an option, but i have enough room for a 26 inch where my 19 inch is now...that shouldnt be much of a problem...so thats fine, but if it were 30 inches or more, id be with trouble for space...
but i think the philips has hd component imputs too, but i like the toshiba for its price...
Post by: Vlad the Impaler on January 17, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: thax on January 17, 2006, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Vlad the Impaler on January 18, 2006, 12:24:00 AM
QUOTE(thax @ Jan 18 2006, 06:16 AM)
If you can't find the native resolution on a set then assume the worst, 480i. You might as well just buy a cheapo TV.
My friend has a 30" HDTV Sony Widescreen CRT TV and the XBOX 360 look AMAZING on 1080i. No black bars.. nothing. With this TV, the 360 is truely next generation. The TV was 799.
Post by: thax on January 18, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Vlad the Impaler @ Jan 18 2006, 08:31 AM)
My friend has a 30" HDTV Sony Widescreen CRT TV and the XBOX 360 look AMAZING on 1080i. No black bars.. nothing. With this TV, the 360 is truely next generation. The TV was 799.
Sounds good to me, you can't really go wrong for 800 dollars if you are impressed by the output when compared to SDTV.
Post by: babanoosh on January 18, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(thax @ Jan 18 2006, 11:28 AM)
Sounds good to me, you can't really go wrong for 800 dollars if you are impressed by the output when compared to SDTV.
My 27" Zenith CRT HDTV monitor is a piece of shit. I paid close to $700 for it
It's a full screen The OSD goes in an out, requring me to slap the side of it from time to time Zenith opted for a VCR button on the remote instead of a DVD I'm not telling anyone about the OSD when I sell it, just gotta make sure I give it a good kick before they check it out
Post by: Vlad the Impaler on January 18, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Jan 18 2006, 06:28 PM)
Sounds good to me, you can't really go wrong for 800 dollars if you are impressed by the output when compared to SDTV.
Well I cracked and bought this Sony 30 inch widescreen high def TV from best buy for 799! Oh my god it is INCREDIBLE! The widescreen, the 1080i output, the XBOX 360. The games look AMAZING.
I was alone moving it into my house and I had to get it down the stairs. In the process I dropped the TV and it went BOOM. I said "NOOOOOOOO" I just broke my TV... but I hooked it up and it worked fine... a couple plastic pieces broke off the bottom but it works thank god.
Widescreen makes ALL the difference in the world... I'm psyched... Can't wait to get home and play this. I got that new game Condemned, at it looks like real life.
GET THE SONY 30" WIDESCREEN TRINITRON for just 799 it's amazing! Here it is!
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1077628885856
I'm in love. Who needs a girlfriend.
And make sure you set your xbox 360 settings to 1080i output. No black bars or anything.
This damn XBOX 360 is breaking me. First it's the XBOX itself. Then the games for 60 a piece. Then you want a good TV. What the hell is next? Can I pay my bills next month? Being a gamer is like being addicted toa hardcore drug. What's next, a high priced surround sound system? The sad part is I'll ONLY be using this TV for the XBOX 360. I need help!
Post by: thax on January 18, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 18, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
QUOTE
I was going to say go witht the Philips because of the 1 HDMI, but it appears that's all the HD inputs it has. That's garbage. Between the three, Toshiba will def. be your best bet.
QUOTE(babanoosh @ Jan 17 2006, 05:56 PM)
What is right to YOU is the question? There is no "one size fits all" right or wrong. If space is a factor then obviously a smaller form factor weighs heavily in your decision. I wouldn't buy a single one of them, but that's just me. Some people don't mind black bars while gaming, but I do so I think the Advent is no good. The Philips you won't even be able to hook up to your 360 (in HD), unless you find some sort of HDMI to component Video adapter (if there even is one). The Toshiba is big, as are all CRTs.
For me:
Based on everything available now, I'd go with a plasma. Hopefully SED is released this year at a reasonable cost, in the 40-52" range, then my decision will be even easier.
EDIT: I'm pretty sure they're all flat screen.
PRODUCT FEATURES
Vivid, natural and razor sharp images
Progressive Scan for razor-sharp and flicker free images
3D combfilter separates colors for a razor-sharp image
HDTV Monitor for the highest quality display of HDTV signals
3:2 Pulldown eliminates artefacts when watching movies
Active Control with Light Sensor optimizes picture quality
Superb sound reproduction
Virtual Dolby Surround for a cinema-like audio experience
One touch convenience
Auto Sound uses pre-defined sound settings for better sound
Auto Picture to personalize your viewing
A choice of widescreen modes to adjust the picture shape
Leading interface for digital quality audio/video
Component Video Input for top quality playback and recording
Side stereo AV & headphone jacks
Can't you read? Even if you looked at the bottom you had to wonder what CVI stood for. Anyways I think the Philips is the best choice there having seen one in person.
Post by: marauderrt10 on January 18, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
QUOTE(babanoosh @ Jan 18 2006, 11:01 PM)
Totally missed it. Actually wondered what CVBS stood for, and saw that it was composite... Did seem strange that a set would only have HDMI
You kick ass Coolio
Get the New samsung, i have it and its the best tv i have ever used period.
Post by: babanoosh on January 18, 2006, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(marauderrt10 @ Jan 18 2006, 10:09 PM)
Get the New samsung, i have it and its the best tv i have ever used period.
I'm not the one... but If I were to by a TV right now, I think I'd go with this bad boy...
LG Plasma
But... I'll wait for the model with the soon to be released (updated) CableCard spec, ethernet, and more HDMI inputs.
Post by: babanoosh on January 19, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Jan 19 2006, 12:07 AM)
One thing you need to remember with a Plasma is that if you watch a good amount of 4x3 programming then you will want to view it stretched in the display so that you don't dull a 4x3 cube in the center of the display.
Some people may not want to watch 4x3 stretched. The same problem can occur with CRT, but the CRT is less prone to burn in effects so you can get away with more viewing unscretched.
DLP and LCD generally don't have these problems.
Thanks for the info. What bothers me about LCDs are the brightness, contrast, and refresh rates . Further I don't know if it's the channel or the signal but everytime I go to Best Buy or elsewhere, the LCDs just have a artifacting and pixelation problem. Also bad color banding.
I was dead set on a DLP awhile back, until I recently read about the upkeep cost with the lamp. Does that problem you state affect most recent plasmas? I guess it's kind of hard to say unless some company has done an accelerated life test right... but I've heard the the previous problems with plasmas (such as life span) have really all been perfected in recent months.
In any case, with all the recent innovations that continue to transpire, I'll all about waiting a tad longer... would love to wait longer then June but I move around then so... not sure what I'll do. Maybe by a cheapo (less then a g) or wait a little longer.
Post by: thax on January 19, 2006, 03:01:00 PM
There are different ways of expanding 4x3 footage, one way actually keeps the correct aspect ration in the middle which doing a fisheye effect on the sides. You would think that the manufacturers could do a grey box instead of a black box, possibly eliminated the 4x3 burnin effect.
Post by: babanoosh on January 19, 2006, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: bonkers255 on January 20, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on January 20, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(bonkers255 @ Jan 20 2006, 01:20 PM)
FYI, most newer receivers allow you to select between grey and black pillar bars. For CRT and plasma, grey should definitely be used. For LCD/DLP, you can choose which ever you like better. The grey pillar bars do not necessarily eliminate burn in, but will reduce it significantly. And for the how long it takes question, most people with CRT or plasma will tell you that they do not have a problem. Any newer sets have safety features designed into the set to reduce burn in. It depends on what you do with the set. If you leave a game or still image on the screen for a few days, you may begin to have a problem. Or, if you use the set for 80% 4:3 material and 20% 16:9, you may see burn in related problems after many months (depends on how often the tv is on too). Basically, if you have a CRT or plasma set, be smart about what you do with it. Do not leave it on and paused for long periods of time, and vary your viewing material. Burn in is turning in to a thing of the past.
What about Rear Projection 4:3 SDTVs? I've always practiced everything you said (that applies to 4:3) for awhile now (just good "electretiquette" I suppose). But I wonder, is there an inverse effect with watching 16:9 a great deal on a 4:3 RPTV?