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Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 10:02:00 AM
http://www3.shopping...le_for_Xbox_360

Can the 360 output a digital signal, or will these cables only convert the signal?

thank you
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
Does anyone know for sure? I can't seem to find a solid answer to this.


thanks
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
?

If it does not have a digital output then it won't. I can't seem to find any info at all on this.

I want to buy a hdmi cable, but not if all it is is a converter. I want to know if the 360 will send a digital signal out, to the digital cable, to my tv.

I don't want to buy the cable if all it is doing is converting a analogue signal into digital.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on November 30, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
Well someone from M$ DID state that it would be capable of it... whether or not they will actually produce a DVI/HDMI cable has yet to be mentioned.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
my question has nothing to do with it being able to use a hdmi cable.

it's about the signal the 360 sends out. Will it send a digital signal or is it only a analogue signal?

There are already hdmi cables for pre-order, I don't care about the cable. i'm wondering about the 360 itself.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on November 30, 2005, 12:11:00 PM
HDMI/DVI IS digital....  dry.gif
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
I know.

Again, simple question, can the 360 output a digital signal, as from what I have read it is only a analogue signal and any hdmi cables will just be converting the signal.

Will the 360 be able to output natively a digital signal?

Can anyone confirm this? Or will this only be something if there is a hd-dvd rom version?

I was thinking if they are wanting to stream true hd content from a pc it would out digital
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Perplexer on November 30, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
For $25 for that cable, I seriously doubt the cable is doing any conversion.

So chances are good that you're getting a true digital signal from the Xbox.  And I've also heard that MS stated the 360 would be "capable" of HDMI out which makes me think it's native.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Shawn_ on November 30, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
I'm being told that the chip on the 360 iself only outputs a analogue signal.

I hope not, but no-one can seem to confirm or deny it.

I would think they would out of the box for streaming high def content.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Arakon on November 30, 2005, 01:49:00 PM
the video encoder in the 360 is programmable, so a bios update via live could enable digital output, like they added the 1280x1024 resolution via an update.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: CrisK on November 30, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
The Xbox 360 does not output a digital signal at this time.  I believe that it is a misprint because Amazon lists the same product, but they call it "Xbox 360 Live Wire 10' HDMI Component Cable".  The picture shows the standard component cable.

http://www.amazon.co...ce&s=videogames

Both sites list the model number as "PL3618", so i think it is just a mistake in the product name.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: hamwbone on November 30, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Mikeizzle @ Nov 30 2005, 09:55 PM) View Post

Its high def, it outputs at 1080i in HD, i'd assume that its pritty much digital, cause i've never seen an analauge system do that.


just because the source is highdef does in no way mean the signal being tranferred of the cable is digital
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on November 30, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Mikeizzle @ Nov 30 2005, 12:55 PM) View Post

Its high def, it outputs at 1080i in HD, i'd assume that its pritty much digital, cause i've never seen an analauge system do that.

The video that goes through component cables is an analog signal.  There's no digital information being transmitted.  Whereas a DVI or HDMI cable transmits a digital signal to ur TV which ur TV then decodes.  That's why most TVs that have HDMI or DVI with DHCP cost more than the latter; it requires the right harware and software.


Anyways, what I was gettin' at was if you can find a DVI/HDMI cable for the 360 that actually works, then it's digital.  A conversion of that signal would require a little more than just a cable... it's not like a headphone jack to RCA plugs.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: hamwbone on November 30, 2005, 06:56:00 PM
vga isnt digital........................right?
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on November 30, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Mikeizzle @ Nov 30 2005, 05:49 PM) View Post

So then its like really really good, bad quality. Ha, and this things suppose to be a next-gen console. So then the VGA and HDMI cables that we use for the monitors are digital, but the ones we use for are TVs arnt? hmm i thought they were.

I said component is not digital.  And you use VGA or DVI for monitors... I don't think you use HDMI.  HDMI carries audio and monitors don't have speakers.

What does not being able to broadcast in digital have anything to do with next-gen?  It's still HD.  DVI/HDMI makes minimal difference for HDTVs.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 30, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
You all need to Go REREAD the sticky and re-educate yourselves

HDMI and DVI are the ONLY digital video cables available today

VGA is NOT digital

Component is NOT digital

etc etc etc

The equipment required to convert an analog video signal into a digital video signal costs about $250 AT THE CHEAPEST... considering that cable is 1/10th the price I HIGHLY doubt it's doing one iota of conversion on anything. Even if it WAS converting the signal it would still be higher quality then VGA and the cable is half the price of a VGA cable (so buy the damn thing already)

MS stated pre-launch that the console would be capable of digital video output in HDMI...

I've yet to see any digital video cable for any console ever made... if one becomes available for the 360 it will be a first.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: DWells55 on November 30, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
Whoa!  I want one!  I've got that HDMI port begging to be used.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on December 01, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
So in short, nobody fuckin' knows yet.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: CrisK on December 01, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(asnpcwiz @ Dec 1 2005, 04:13 PM) View Post

And someone said that  "The Xbox 360 does not output a digital signal at this time"...what would you call the fiber optic audio output?


I meant video signal.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: asnpcwiz on December 01, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(CrisK @ Dec 1 2005, 04:27 PM) View Post

I meant video signal.


Doh, my bad...I re-read it, and I misunderstood the first time....my bad.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on December 01, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
QUOTE(asnpcwiz @ Dec 1 2005, 01:13 PM) View Post

Regardless of whether or not the system will provide the ability to use HDMI, there's no gaurantee that HDMI will look better on your display.

I already stated that.  Hooking up a DVI cable in place of component on our TV (61" DLP) showed very little improvement.  Yes I saw a difference (gradients blended better... there was less grain), but no one would notice had they seen it before and never knew I changed the cable.
Title: Hdmi- Can The 360 Output Digital?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on December 03, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox nkotb @ Dec 1 2005, 10:19 PM) View Post

i think this answer the question clearly already. wink.gif

No it doesn't answer a damn thing... all that means is that we don't really know.