Post by: SonnyMarrow on August 27, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: Juancster on August 27, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on August 27, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
I'm gonna let you guys run the gun on this one.
Well, keep shopping. There are some high end smasungs that can natively display 720p, check out the samsung website.
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on August 27, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: mr. newbie on August 27, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
thx elite. mine came from a friend with no box or anything.
Post by: VariableElite on August 27, 2005, 11:11:00 PM
QUOTE(mr. newbie @ Aug 28 2005, 12:14 AM)
how do you know if your crt supports 720p?
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on August 28, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
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I'm not an expert or anything on this, but I believe 1080i conversion will be done on the 360 encoder chip so your TV won't have to deal with it. Remember, 720p is the MINIMUM resolution devs have to support.
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Post by: Romps on August 28, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on August 28, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
Post by: Romps on August 28, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
QUOTE(SuicideUZI @ Aug 28 2005, 08:51 PM)
there are hardly any HD CRT's that display 720p natively, most of them upconvert to 1080i or downconvert to 480p, and there are of course some better at upconverting than others so as long as you get the right one you arent gonna notice any quality loss in upconverting to 1080i
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Post by: Carlo210 on August 28, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
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Lcd's better than CRT's for gaming? Let the flaming begin!
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Post by: lumpyhed on August 28, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
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Because they're alot easier to ship about, fit into the space and produce less heat?
I prefer my LCD for the above reasons anyways.
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on August 28, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on August 28, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: lumpyhed on August 28, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Aug 28 2005, 11:18 PM)
Why do you think all the display booths at E3 had LCDs and not CRTs?
Because they're alot easier to ship about, fit into the space and produce less heat?
I prefer my LCD for the above reasons anyways.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on August 28, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Aug 28 2005, 06:18 PM)
They're a lot better. That's why most computer gamers have switched from CRTs to LCDs.
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
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Wedding shirt..
Please don't take offense, as I have nothing against you and respect you otherwise...
but hardcore gamers who want the best pic quality out of their $600.00 video cards use CRT's my friend.
dont be all caught up in the "its thinner and more manageable" trend.
You sacrifice quality for size.
No self respecting pc gaming nut would be caught dead playing on even the top of the line LCD model.
Go check a hardcore Lan party, and ask the hundreds there why they lugged their heavy ass CRT monitors.
LCD does not compare to CRT, be it a pc monitor, a tv, or a projector..again, In picture quality comparisons.
Granted, LCD projectors are cheap and light, where as CRT projectors still cost tens of thousands, and weigh as much as a small child.
But the picture quality just does NOT compare.
Again, Im not here to start anything, this is not a lynching, just stating whats a known fact and will be for a loooong time until some new tech can compare to CRT's.
I hate to see people fall for the new tech hype and think its better than the old tech. In some cases, its simply not true, and this is one of those times.
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Post by: ZildjianKX on August 28, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
Please don't take offense, as I have nothing against you and respect you otherwise...
but hardcore gamers who want the best pic quality out of their $600.00 video cards use CRT's my friend.
dont be all caught up in the "its thinner and more manageable" trend.
You sacrifice quality for size.
No self respecting pc gaming nut would be caught dead playing on even the top of the line LCD model.
Go check a hardcore Lan party, and ask the hundreds there why they lugged their heavy ass CRT monitors.
LCD does not compare to CRT, be it a pc monitor, a tv, or a projector..again, In picture quality comparisons.
Granted, LCD projectors are cheap and light, where as CRT projectors still cost tens of thousands, and weigh as much as a small child.
But the picture quality just does NOT compare.
Again, Im not here to start anything, this is not a lynching, just stating whats a known fact and will be for a loooong time until some new tech can compare to CRT's.
I hate to see people fall for the new tech hype and think its better than the old tech. In some cases, its simply not true, and this is one of those times.
Post by: ZildjianKX on August 28, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Aug 28 2005, 02:59 PM)
Wedding shirt..
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on August 28, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Wedding-shirt on August 28, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Aug 28 2005, 05:24 PM)
I was under the impression that most computer users switched to LCD plat panels because they are thinner and take up less deskspace. That's why I switched. CRT's are way better for gaming, but I don't game that much on PC anymore so I don't need the refresh rates that video games demand. So, despite your incredulity, I prefer CRT's to LCD.
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on August 28, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on August 28, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Aug 28 2005, 05:59 PM)
Wedding shirt..
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Post by: SonnyMarrow on August 28, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
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dont want to turn this into a pissing match
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Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
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I want my 360
I entered my 1st code into the sweepstakes thing..what a waste. I could enter 5,000 and I wouldnt win shit
ahh well, I needed Pepsi
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Post by: mrpunchy on September 30, 2005, 05:33:00 AM
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Def is 100% correct.
THere are many great sites that are dedicated to this very topic.
http://www.avsforum.com/
That is my favorite and offers days worth of reading. Although they can be a bit unforgiving to the uneducated.
Really though the best bang for your dollar these days would be a high def CRT. It will not have all the features that you can have but like most thing in life it will have what you need.
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Post by: frenzy987 on September 30, 2005, 08:27:00 AM
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Not sure of the US equivilent but I have a Sony 86cm KVHR36M31 HDTV CRT, one of the models with super fine dot pitch.
It blows away any lcd, plasma, rp, anywhere near the price range.
PQ is exceptional and displays REAL 720p
Check out the pics on DavoNogo's post 4 posts down.
http://www.dtvforum....topic=22818&hl=
Note the pics don't do it enough justice, and the screen is not curved like the pics suggest.
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Post by: tayl0124 on September 30, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
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Post by: chilin_dude on September 30, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
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LCD>CRT.
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 30, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
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With the inclusion of HD cables as standard, Itagaki hopes that people will end up making the move to HDTV. He suggests standard CRT over other types, devoting a lengthy rant to his displeasure with LCD televisions. Itagaki states that Team Ninja has flagship class LCD televisions throughout its offices, and hes not impressed with any of them. The problem, he states, isnt so much with response time, but with inaccurate color. Combine that with the high prices, and he comes to the conclusion: buying a CRT is, as a gamer, a wise choice.
Itagaki is also sure to give some talk to sound, offering the hope that players will invest in a 5.1 system. Dead or Alive 4 is fully 5.1 compliant, and Team Ninja has even mixed separate surround and stereo tracks for some parts, including the ending movie. Itagaki was a bit surprised when the interviewer revealed that surround sound systems are down to about 200 bucks.
On the note of high definition televisions, Famitsu Xbox 360 poses a question that weve all been wondering: what happens when you play DOA4 on a standard 4×3 television rather than a wide screen 16×9 screen? Itagaki feels that black borders are horrible and not good looking, which is why current generation Xbox games support both 4×3 and 16×9. I could not take pride in using black areas on both sides of a wide television, he states, and I have no desire to have my fans play something in which I do no take pride. While hed like people to purchase a wide-screen television, he realizes that this is not an option everyone, and so DOA4 is being made to display in full screen on a standard 4×3 television. In other words, he jokes, the game is fully SD compliant (the joke is that current generation Xbox games were listed as being fully HD compliant).
The interview turns to a discussion of the Xbox 360 hard disk. Responding to the question of what kind of effect the lack of a standard hard drive in America and Europe will have on his games, Itagakis states that hes known for quite some time that MS was looking into releasing a version of the system without the hard disk. Without a hard disk, he explains, its difficult to do things like the Ninja Gaiden Hurricane Pack. There are also problems with caching. He suggests that smooth startup sequences for games would be difficult. Also regrettable, he states, is that, minus a hard disk, he wont be able to manage sound in the way Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball does now, where music is copied over from the game disk.
However, those who plan on buying the fully equipped hard disk neednt worry, as Itagaki adds The Xbox 360 I buy will have a hard disk equipped. I believe 80% will buy the hard disk model. And so, take solace that we will make games that fully utilize the hard disk, just as we have until now. Those without the hard disk are being taken care of, though, with Itagaki planning on tuning the game for the core system as well.
In closing, Itagaki asks that users make a couple of additional purchases for their Xbox 360. First up is a USB keyboard. DOA4 allows for keyboard chat. The game uses a lobby system that Itagaki refers to as House, where players can create their own avatars, which Itagaki refers to as a Doll. Itagaki also suggests purchasing a joystick. Team Ninja is overseeing the development of an official joystick with peripheral maker Hori, just as it did for the DOA3 stick.
Dead or Alive 4 is scheduled to launch with the Xbox 360, so we should be able to experience Team Ninjas latest and greatest in less than two months.
Source: IGN
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on September 30, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
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Post by: SonnyMarrow on August 28, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
dont want to turn this into a pissing match
Post by: Deftech on August 28, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
I want my 360
I entered my 1st code into the sweepstakes thing..what a waste. I could enter 5,000 and I wouldnt win shit
ahh well, I needed Pepsi
Post by: mrpunchy on September 30, 2005, 05:33:00 AM
THere are many great sites that are dedicated to this very topic.
http://www.avsforum.com/
That is my favorite and offers days worth of reading. Although they can be a bit unforgiving to the uneducated.
Really though the best bang for your dollar these days would be a high def CRT. It will not have all the features that you can have but like most thing in life it will have what you need.
Post by: frenzy987 on September 30, 2005, 08:27:00 AM
It blows away any lcd, plasma, rp, anywhere near the price range.
PQ is exceptional and displays REAL 720p
Check out the pics on DavoNogo's post 4 posts down.
http://www.dtvforum....topic=22818&hl=
Note the pics don't do it enough justice, and the screen is not curved like the pics suggest.
Post by: tayl0124 on September 30, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Aug 28 2005, 05:18 PM)
Post by: chilin_dude on September 30, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 30, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
Itagaki is also sure to give some talk to sound, offering the hope that players will invest in a 5.1 system. Dead or Alive 4 is fully 5.1 compliant, and Team Ninja has even mixed separate surround and stereo tracks for some parts, including the ending movie. Itagaki was a bit surprised when the interviewer revealed that surround sound systems are down to about 200 bucks.
On the note of high definition televisions, Famitsu Xbox 360 poses a question that weve all been wondering: what happens when you play DOA4 on a standard 4×3 television rather than a wide screen 16×9 screen? Itagaki feels that black borders are horrible and not good looking, which is why current generation Xbox games support both 4×3 and 16×9. I could not take pride in using black areas on both sides of a wide television, he states, and I have no desire to have my fans play something in which I do no take pride. While hed like people to purchase a wide-screen television, he realizes that this is not an option everyone, and so DOA4 is being made to display in full screen on a standard 4×3 television. In other words, he jokes, the game is fully SD compliant (the joke is that current generation Xbox games were listed as being fully HD compliant).
The interview turns to a discussion of the Xbox 360 hard disk. Responding to the question of what kind of effect the lack of a standard hard drive in America and Europe will have on his games, Itagakis states that hes known for quite some time that MS was looking into releasing a version of the system without the hard disk. Without a hard disk, he explains, its difficult to do things like the Ninja Gaiden Hurricane Pack. There are also problems with caching. He suggests that smooth startup sequences for games would be difficult. Also regrettable, he states, is that, minus a hard disk, he wont be able to manage sound in the way Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball does now, where music is copied over from the game disk.
However, those who plan on buying the fully equipped hard disk neednt worry, as Itagaki adds The Xbox 360 I buy will have a hard disk equipped. I believe 80% will buy the hard disk model. And so, take solace that we will make games that fully utilize the hard disk, just as we have until now. Those without the hard disk are being taken care of, though, with Itagaki planning on tuning the game for the core system as well.
In closing, Itagaki asks that users make a couple of additional purchases for their Xbox 360. First up is a USB keyboard. DOA4 allows for keyboard chat. The game uses a lobby system that Itagaki refers to as House, where players can create their own avatars, which Itagaki refers to as a Doll. Itagaki also suggests purchasing a joystick. Team Ninja is overseeing the development of an official joystick with peripheral maker Hori, just as it did for the DOA3 stick.
Dead or Alive 4 is scheduled to launch with the Xbox 360, so we should be able to experience Team Ninjas latest and greatest in less than two months.
Source: IGN
Post by: LowProfileWurm on September 30, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Mekapo @ Sep 30 2005, 02:16 AM)
I'm looking at purchasing the Sony KD30XS955. From what i've read on many sites is that this is basically the best 30" CRT that money can buy at the moment. Would this be a wise investment for the 360?
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Post by: SatanX2112 on September 30, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
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#2 Try it out. Most stores have the TV's set up so far off in color, contrast and brightness it's not even funny (Bright TVs seems to draw customers like moths). Feeding 20-25 TVs from the same line doesnt help. If you see something you like, ask them to either hook a dvd player up to it or if you have the HD pack for the xbox, ask if they mind if you bring it in. Most stores will let you. Play with the contrast, color and for the love of god, if it has anything like a 'vivid' setting, turn it off.
#3 DONT SETTLE. Dont buy an HD set cause it's HD. The cheap ones are exactly that, cheap. Don't waste your money.
I'm done.
BTW, the sony set you mentioned is actually not a bad set at all. If my memory serves me well, it's using the same XBR tube....
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 30, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
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CRT'S=higher resolution support inch for inch,oh wait there isnt native 1600x1200 19inch lcd's or 19inch lcds that support a good 2053x1536. i dont care what you say i still see a pinch of ghosting on 8ms lcd monitors,and i like my true blacks
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Post by: Mekapo on September 30, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
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Post by: SatanX2112 on September 30, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
)#2 Try it out. Most stores have the TV's set up so far off in color, contrast and brightness it's not even funny (Bright TVs seems to draw customers like moths). Feeding 20-25 TVs from the same line doesnt help. If you see something you like, ask them to either hook a dvd player up to it or if you have the HD pack for the xbox, ask if they mind if you bring it in. Most stores will let you. Play with the contrast, color and for the love of god, if it has anything like a 'vivid' setting, turn it off.
#3 DONT SETTLE. Dont buy an HD set cause it's HD. The cheap ones are exactly that, cheap. Don't waste your money.
I'm done.
BTW, the sony set you mentioned is actually not a bad set at all. If my memory serves me well, it's using the same XBR tube....
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 30, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: Mekapo on September 30, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Sep 30 2005, 11:55 AM)
I'm gonna be really honest with you because I spent months toiling over which 30" screen to get, including that one. Here's my first advice: Don't buy a Sony TV unless it's an XBR. That's their premium lineup and it's fantastic... but it costs alot more. Second advice: Buy Samsung. They are amazing and Samsung hasn't figured out to charge a shit load either. I bought a Sammy Slimfit 30" and it's the best CRT you can get. Considering it's $900 and comes with an HD ATSC tuner, you can't beat it.
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Post by: krazyshane on September 30, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
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Post by: krazyshane on September 30, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Mekapo @ Oct 1 2005, 04:50 AM)
Ya i've been going back and forth between the Sony KD30XS955 and the Samsung TXR3079WH for a while now. I'm thinking that i'll be best off w/the Samsung slim-fit as its quite thin for a CRT, much nicer spacewise for the area i'm looking at. Plus i hear the quality is great for the price. All these reviews and the back and forth is starting to hurt my brain. I'm about 99% sure i'm gonna get the Samsung now. Wish me luck 
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Post by: chilin_dude on October 01, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
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Post by: chilin_dude on October 01, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(frenzy987 @ Oct 1 2005, 04:33 AM)
Ummm aesthetics, thats about it
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Post by: dabigdilla on October 05, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
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Post by: dabigdilla on October 05, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Aug 28 2005, 01:36 PM)
You're not going to find a CRT that supports 720p natively. But even if you do, it will be more expensive and look WORSE than a similar sized LCD.
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Post by: TheSandman87 on October 15, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
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At our employee xmas parties guess what ill be playing my 360 on?! w00taGe!!
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Post by: Foe-hammer on October 17, 2005, 03:31:00 AM
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Eventhough lcd's have came a long way, i cannot believe that some people think their picture quality (black levels, color vibrance) is better then crt's.
I put my bro's brand new 17" widescreen sammy lcd next to my old 17" pos crt, play the same pc game (WoW), tweak both monitor settings to perfection, and my crt wins hands down.
EDIT: Hot damn! That is a freaking awesome HDTV!
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Post by: Plagued on October 17, 2005, 06:37:00 AM
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Post by: TheSandman87 on October 15, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
At our employee xmas parties guess what ill be playing my 360 on?! w00taGe!!
Post by: Foe-hammer on October 17, 2005, 03:31:00 AM
I put my bro's brand new 17" widescreen sammy lcd next to my old 17" pos crt, play the same pc game (WoW), tweak both monitor settings to perfection, and my crt wins hands down.
EDIT: Hot damn! That is a freaking awesome HDTV!
Post by: Plagued on October 17, 2005, 06:37:00 AM