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Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 30, 2005, 05:46:00 AM
In PDZ on the 4th stage, the oriental snow stage, during the beginning in-game cut-scene the frame-rate is terribly choppy.  Did anyone else experience this?  Just curious if it is my 360, or just the game.  Surprised if it is indeed the game chugging.

Also, please state whether your running in HD, or not.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: grkfire on November 30, 2005, 06:04:00 AM
Yeah sorta....the game engine hiccupped just a few times for me, no major slowdown though.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 30, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
These are major frame rate issues, slows down to about 3 fps as the camera spans up the mountain, until it reaches the guard taking a pee, then it stops having problems all together.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: prankfurter on November 30, 2005, 06:15:00 AM
yeah for me the game frequently slows down during cutscenes but never during gameplay...

gamespot mentioned it as well in there review of it. so i think its safe to say its not you just the game.... :/
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: richie579 on November 30, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
for me the camera stutters a bit panning upward....about the same as the other cutscenes so far in the game, HD 1080i crt over here...
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: wasting on November 30, 2005, 06:36:00 AM
same, choppy video as panning up in HD, could really care less though havent experienced anything ingame
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: crobar on November 30, 2005, 07:59:00 AM
ive seen the cut scenes get choppy a few times  
not this particular one but others...the first cut scene most notibly.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: violent_bong on November 30, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
Yeah, mine get's extremely choppy, it's really bad for me, and I have also had slowdown in game, and multiple freezes with this game, overall the game is very good, but I am very disappointed with these problems, but the game was rushed, so it's not Rare's fault..
Ohh yeah, and I'm running on a 51' 1080i CRT RP over here too.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: hugoboss1 on November 30, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
Are you guys plaing in hd...because when i first got the 360 i went to my cousins house and he doesnt have an hd we plaed fifa and pdo.

when i got home and plugged in the hd the soccer for ex.on his tv the crowed looked blurred and on my hd you can see the crowds way better before it was a blured but on hd you can make out the individual.720p native.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: spinr34 on November 30, 2005, 05:38:00 PM
i honestly skip all the cut scenes in PDZ, the game is too fun to play, i can't stand to wait and watch.  i'll check it out though when i get home and let you know.  the only major problem i've really noticed with PDZ are the damn lines in pretty much every level, every part, etc etc.  so annoying seeing those white lines on corners, only if they had more time to complete the game, i would cry at it's perfectness.  gameplay makes up for any issues with graphics though, when 2 people are playing and they are doing different parts of the mission - WOW, feels so covert op style ;p
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: violent_bong on November 30, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
Yeah I am on a 1080i HDTV and I get the same thing, horizontal 'tearing' or whatever it's called...it's not too bad, but at times it is. the worst I know of is mission 05 I believe? the one where you escape from the guys hideout place or whatever... anyways, when you first get outside, if you rush out there as fast as you can, the game lags really really badly, like worse than I have ever seen on XBL...also in this level, the part where you have to demo the wall....I had some sound glitches there too...high pitch noises and weird fucked up sounds..instead of gunfire, melee, and walking sounds...it was really fucked up.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 30, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
QUOTE(mikedavis2838 @ Nov 30 2005, 10:19 PM) View Post

i am playing it on samsung DLP 720p and the game runs very smooth even during cutscenes.

Try loading up stage 4 then, if you have gotten that far, and see if the in-game intro (when the camera pans up the mountain to where the guard is peeing) is choppy.  Because i didn't notice any framerate issues until this, and it was terrible.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: tonloc79 on December 01, 2005, 12:10:00 AM
QUOTE(mikedavis2838 @ Dec 1 2005, 06:19 AM) View Post

i am playing it on samsung DLP 720p and the game runs very smooth even during cutscenes.

Same as me and so far this game and all others look and run fine. No problems with PD0.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: mikedavis2838 on December 01, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
when i wrote that i was well past stage 4, all scenes play buttery smooth

This post has been edited by mikedavis2838: Dec 1 2005, 08:59 AM
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: biosehnsucht on December 01, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
I haven't hooked up to anyhting 1080i but I've noticed many of my games run worse (choppy / etc) at 480i than at 720p (at home I have VGA adapter, when I go to other places no one has HDTVs and I'm too lazy to disentangle my VGA adapter)

I'm more annoyed at FMVs in emulated games skipping tongue.gif (i.e. DOA3 - but damn if the actual game isn't beautiful at 720P! altho, there's this annoying nonstop audio echo in DOA3, everything else seems to work ok.. odd eh?)
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 01, 2005, 01:31:00 AM
QUOTE(mikedavis2838 @ Dec 1 2005, 12:27 AM) *

when i wrote that i was well past stage 4, all scenes play buttery smooth

I'm not referring to all scenes, i'm just referring to stage 4's beginning cut scene.

If you don't mind, could you please try loading up stage 4 again, just for my sanity sake, and see if the beginning cut-scene still runs perfect for you in 720p?

This post has been edited by Foe-hammer: Dec 1 2005, 09:31 AM
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: mlmadmax on December 01, 2005, 01:02:00 AM
I have a 55 inch Mitsubishi running at 1080i and I had the exact same choppiness on the cut scene of the level you are talking about. Everything else is normal except for I get some tearing.

It has to be normal

Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: pwcracker2002 on December 01, 2005, 01:30:00 AM
ive also experienced this choppy cut-scene and the tearing at that round entry way. ive played the level on 2 different displays, a crt running at 1080i and my 19" LCD running at 1280x1024 and it happends on both screens so it HAS to be the game.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: mikedavis2838 on December 01, 2005, 03:38:00 AM
Just loaded stage 4 again, had to really focus to see a few chops and the very beginning of the scene, but as soon as the bridge comes into view it is smooth.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: t_mac_ca on December 01, 2005, 09:24:00 AM
game runs smooth for me
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: bluegt21 on December 01, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
the games custscenes especially in stage 4 intro is very crazy.  It is like they are having framerate issues.  I have a friend here with me also and his 360 does the same thing.  Add 2 more to the list.   If i recall didnt halo 2 do this in intros also?  I was almost ready to ship mine out and get a new one to see if this problem was hardware related... could just be rare's code..  kameo is excellent????
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: TSOPrano on December 01, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
It runs fine for me on a 42" Samsung Plasma at 720p. Although I have noticed in all cutscenes that there is a stutter ever few seconds though. Not detrimental but its noticeable. Also, no motion-blur in the cutscenes make it look like its worse graphics than in game.

Man I love motion-blur.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: violent_bong on December 01, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
Well, if one of you (anyone) wouldn't mind loading up level 5 (the escape from the place) and go to the part where you demo out the wall, when you get to that point, could you rush outside towards the hover craft, and see if the game lags?...I want to be sure if this is the game or my xbox, because I noticed major lagging at this part, I guess they don't expect you to rush out like that....
thanks in advance.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Interfire on December 02, 2005, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE(violent_bong @ Dec 1 2005, 08:28 PM) *

Well, if one of you (anyone) wouldn't mind loading up level 5 (the escape from the place) and go to the part where you demo out the wall, when you get to that point, could you rush outside towards the hover craft, and see if the game lags?...I want to be sure if this is the game or my xbox, because I noticed major lagging at this part, I guess they don't expect you to rush out like that....
thanks in advance.


I just tried that several times and I didn't notice anything. Ran off in a few different directions and that didn't do anything either.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: violent_bong on December 02, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
Hmmm, well I wonder if playing Co-op also makes a difference, because me and a friend played on co-op in that part, and both ran out and it lagged horribly...I guess I will have to wait until he gets his new xbox to find out...thanks anyways though.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: terabeast on December 02, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
I have the same problem.  The cut scenes for every level are a bit choppy, nothing too bad.  I reached the 4th level last night and that opening cut scene was brutal.  I'm playing single player mode in 1080i HD.  From reading the thread, people playing in 720P aren't having this problem.  Maybe it's an issue with the 1080i upconversion, since PDZ's native resolution is 720P.  Remember 720P is 60 frames per second, 1080i is 30 frames per second.
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: violent_bong on December 03, 2005, 03:35:00 AM
Also, I remember reading in another thread, where twisted symphony (I think) said that microdisplays (LCD, Plasma, DLP...etc) instead of just going to the next frame, apparently they 'fade' to the next frame, and make these problems alot less noticeable...I am guessing the developers didn't test this game on 51' Rear Projection CRT's tongue.gif
Title: Pdz 4th Stage (oriental Snow Stage)
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 03, 2005, 04:13:00 AM
QUOTE(terabeast @ Dec 2 2005, 03:24 PM) View Post

I have the same problem.  The cut scenes for every level are a bit choppy, nothing too bad.  I reached the 4th level last night and that opening cut scene was brutal.  I'm playing single player mode in 1080i HD.  From reading the thread, people playing in 720P aren't having this problem.  Maybe it's an issue with the 1080i upconversion, since PDZ's native resolution is 720P.  Remember 720P is 60 frames per second, 1080i is 30 frames per second.


Nope, it runs like shit in 720p and every other res i've tried (the 4th mission beginning cut-scene).

Like you mentioned, every cut-scene is a bit choppy, but nothing terrribly noticable.  The 4th stage, on the other hand, was/is inexcuseably horrid.