Post by: Xbox-Scene on March 15, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Analyst: Halo 3 Back in the Frame?-- Posted by XanTium on March 15 14:29 EST
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Hiroshi Kamide, analyst at KBC Securities in Tokyo said, "The Xbox 360 will now have had a year's head start. The danger is that they could target very big-hitting titles at the launch of the PS3 just to sabotage it. If they release Halo 3 - Microsoft's biggest selling game - timed to PS3, that will be quite damaging for Sony."
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Post by: Altima NEO on March 15, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
It brings up a good argument that only time will answer.
Post by: 21cwSpanky on March 15, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Considering halo 2 just being a rehash and MGS2-4 evolving quite a bit with each game I honestly think one might sell slightly better then the other since alot of gamers won't want to see a 3rd version of the same exact game.
Post by: woofis on March 15, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on March 15, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
as for the whole stupid MSG vs. halo thing, that is pointless. totally different genres and markets, also MGS3 didnt sell nearly as well as the previous entry while with halo, the fans still want more. but again pointless.
as for the topic, that couldnt be further from the truth. NOTHING MS does will sabotage the PS3 launch, nothing. the revolution launching earlier then the ps3 will impact the ps3 launch more then any game MS can launch. why? because those who were going to get a ps3 will get one regardless, and if MS releases some killer games at launch (halo 3, shadowrun, GoW, Mass Effect, etc.) chances are anyone getting the ps3 at launch has already got a 360 at/near launch as well so they will get a ps3 and then any 360 games they desire.
sony tried the same thing with the sega and the dreamcast launch. they released FFVIII the same day and date and it had NO impact on the DC sales at all. peter moore knew before the DC launch while still with sega that the FFVIII would have little, if any at all, impact on the DC launch and it didnt. also in an interview or atleast a quote not too long ago, peter moore said again that they are powerless to stop the ps3 launch stating that there is nothing they could do and that the ps3 will sell out regardless.
point being, all this analyst BS is just that BS.
This post has been edited by KAGE360: Mar 15 2006, 09:39 PM
Post by: Terrier on March 15, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
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Considering halo 2 just being a rehash and MGS2-4 evolving quite a bit with each game I honestly think one might sell slightly better then the other since alot of gamers won't want to see a 3rd version of the same exact game.
Halo 2 while similar to the first was not a re-hash - and the appeal to most people was the multiplayer anyway and lets be honest MGS 2 and 3 while decent games didn't live up to the first, Halo 2 on the other hand bettered halo 1 in the opinion of most gamers I talk to.
I think Halo 3 along side all the games out this year and (probabaly) a lower price tag might cause some people sitting on the fence to go with the 360 next xmas.
This post has been edited by Terrier: Mar 15 2006, 09:40 PM
Post by: metaldevil on March 15, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(21cwSpanky @ Mar 15 2006, 02:53 PM) 
Xbox has halo 3, Playstation has metal gear solid 4.
Considering halo 2 just being a rehash and MGS2-4 evolving quite a bit with each game I honestly think one might sell slightly better then the other since alot of gamers won't want to see a 3rd version of the same exact game.
MSG4? Where'd that come from? That's like comparing the Legend of Zelda series with the Final Fantasy series. Both are excellent franchises, but they share few similarities. Considering halo 2 just being a rehash and MGS2-4 evolving quite a bit with each game I honestly think one might sell slightly better then the other since alot of gamers won't want to see a 3rd version of the same exact game.
Post by: jizmo on March 15, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(21cwSpanky @ Mar 15 2006, 09:53 PM)
Xbox has halo 3, Playstation has metal gear solid 4.
Considering halo 2 just being a rehash and MGS2-4 evolving quite a bit with each game I honestly think one might sell slightly better then the other since alot of gamers won't want to see a 3rd version of the same exact game.
Halo 2's graphical engine used in the cut scenes is pretty phenomenal when compared to Halo. In fact, it still looks gorgeous when run on x360 in 720p, even when compared to many current x360 games. So, basically Halo 2 was much more advanced graphically than the first Halo. It's just too bad the Xbox didn't have the horse powers to run the whole game with same effects. If it did, it would've been far from being just a rehash.
With Halo 2's cut scenes Bungie has shown that only the hardware is slowing them down, they have all the gfx and coding talent to wow the world again. They've had two additional years to develope that engine further and they've probably had the unofficial PowerPC betakits much before they were delivered widely to developers.
While I confident that Halo 3 will rock, I honestly don't think that it has what it takes to rain on Sony's parade, PS3 will sell like hotcakes no matter what MS does. But I'm confident MS is aware of this.
MS' plan is that after PS3 launches they'll have a system that's considerably cheaper and runs a game that will look every bit as good as whatever PS3 has to offer - if not better. And for many in the buying audience it might be enough to tip the scale for x360's favour.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on March 15, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
i was completely let down with halo 2, and played it a total of maybe 3 hours online, the community was horrible and the game was just awful in my opinion.
funny how this story follows an announcement of the ps3 story on the news page though.
hope master creep chokes on a plasma grenade.
Post by: bonevichio on March 15, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: Hack_Bird on March 15, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
halo 3 for me!!! and maybe ...... a ps3 for me 2.Maybe MS will come with a 40 GB HD and im not buying a ps3 at all !
Whateffer, just wait and see, the big companys will make there calculations and speculations. ....
I love Console wars
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 15, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
Halo 3 I have no doubt to outsurpass previous sales of Halo 2. Hands down. I still don't see that stopping people from going into the store and with 3-500 $ in hand and looking at the ps3 console, then at halo 3 and thinking.. I'm not buying ps3.
On the outside chance.. they were going in to buy a ps3 and see halo 3.. and buy the halo 3. I have no doubt they will reutn a week later whne they can afford the ps3.
Fans are already well aware there is only 2 real ways to play the halo franchise.. and that is with Xbox or PC.
Fans won't be dumping on Sony to grab Halo 3. Those that want Halo 3 will grab it. It should set new records.
Ps3 in November.. Halo 3 around that same time.. I'll be buying both.
Post by: kidkinetix on March 15, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
Bring on the Revolution
It will be an exciting and interesting year to say the least :]
Post by: 21cwSpanky on March 15, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(metaldevil @ Mar 15 2006, 09:09 PM)
It's way too early to even bother speculating about this. I'll think about it when either one is released first.
MSG4? Where'd that come from? That's like comparing the Legend of Zelda series with the Final Fantasy series. Both are excellent franchises, but they share few similarities.
Considering that MGS4 is one of the major PS2 selling points for some people, they're easally comparable. Different genre's but both exclusive to their console.
Post by: PuckX on March 15, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: mathias on March 15, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
I don't see halo 3 hurting ps3 sales if released at the same time....
if halo 3 and other great games was released for the xbox 360 before the ps3 that will hurt more and get parents to buy thier children the xbox 360.....
its foolish to think that the mass of video game and console sales are individuals when I think its parents or families that say over and over again they will only own one console per generation......
Post by: esc1 on March 15, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
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Post by: kidkinetix on March 15, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
A nice little sideline while the Halo name is still hot.
Post by: pbkill on March 15, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on March 15, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 15 2006, 05:05 PM)
M$ isn't going after Sony zombies so I don't understand where that assumption is coming from
Saying that Halo 3 won't steal some of the PS3's steam is jumping the gun a little early.
You cats forget that you speak for yourselves. There's plenty of people out there still on the fence, trying to decide what console to buy next. They didn't buy the Xbox 360 because they want to see what Sony and Nintendo have to offer. If Halo 3 is as big a hit as Halo 2 was, then M$ has a good chance to cash in on these "on the fence" gamers and keep them from purchasing a competitor's console.
Also, this would be a great way for M$ to counter Sony's PS3 marketing campaign.
Are you kidding me? This would make it much tougher for Sony since they're not only fighting for the spot light with Nintendo, but they will be fighting against Halo 3.
You better believe that Sony wants no part in fighting against Master Chief this Christmas, they have their hands full with Mario already....
My two cents....
PS.... I'd rather have Bungie take it's sweet time before dropping H3.
H3 would help the X360 but it doesn't NEED it. Gears of War, Too Human, and Mass Effect can easily tripple team Sony
there is a flaw in your opinion of this. those who get a system at launch (wait out in a line or pre-order months in advance) are not considered "on the fence" people. they are either hardcore gamers or sony zombies, either one will get the system at launch regardless. the "on the fence" people are the ones who get systems after launch when the hype/demand slows down. anyone here who got a 360 at launch can be considered a hardcore gamer or fanboy so its all relative.
i do agree however that nintendo releasing around/before the ps3 launch would effect the ps3 launch far more then any game MS could launch.
Post by: Foe-hammer on March 15, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
QUOTE(21cwSpanky @ Mar 15 2006, 02:05 PM)
Considering that MGS4 is one of the major PS2 selling points for some people, they're easally comparable. Different genre's but both exclusive to their console.
Ya, kind of like MGS2: substance
.........Not only are they completely difference games, but you'll never see MC on a sony console, unless MS tanks, whereas solid snake has already been on the xbox and gamecube.Post by: KAGE360 on March 15, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 15 2006, 05:27 PM)
I thought about the "hardcore gamers" but I figured you guys would realize that they're on the same boat as the Sony fanboys as I did. Obviously, M$ isn't targeting these individuals either.
Again, releasing H3 during the PS3 launch is aimed at the "on the fence" people/gamers.
(who knows what the percentage of these gamers is, are they waiting for prices to do down or are they waiting to see what the 3 consoles have to offer? I'm willing to bet its 50/50 at the very least)
I know its hard for cats to understand this because as you said, we're hardcore gamers.
well to me there is a difference between a hardcore gamer and a sony zombie. a hardcore gamer will more then likely buy all/most of the systems at/near launch. however a sony zombie would buy shit wrapped in tin-foil as long as it had the sony logo on it with kenny k. saying magical words of wonder about it.
either way there are more zombies or hardcore gamers then sony can keep up with for launch, so either way they will sell out with little control from MS. i wish it would be so easy to divert buyers but the ps3 will sell out as good if not better then the 360.
Post by: darkhunter121589 on March 15, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on March 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
while those type wont be buying a PS3 on launch day, they can certainly have access to it then enough to make a decision. They go in and see a good start to a 360 catalog and a line of crappy launch titles on the PS3, then play Halo 3 on a 360 kiosk and FantaVision 2 on a PS3 kiosk.... the decision becomes "buy a 360 right now, or wait a few months/another year to buy the PS3"
seriously if the PS3 drops in november we'll see kiosks in october and that would be more then enough for on the fencers to decide to ask for the soon to be readily available and lower priced 360 for the holidays.
I agree that it WONT effect PS3 sales one bit at launch. the PS3 will be sold out for months. What it will do is steal away more of the long term market from one console households who decided it was easier to get a 360 sooner rather then wait for a PS3 later.
Post by: hamwbone on March 15, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on March 15, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 15 2006, 06:15 PM)
They go in and see a good start to a 360 catalog and a line of crappy launch titles on the PS3, then play Halo 3 on a 360 kiosk and FantaVision 2 on a PS3 kiosk.... the decision becomes "buy a 360 right now, or wait a few months/another year to buy the PS3"
Post by: IllusiveX on March 15, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
1. I WANT TO KNO A PRICE
2. Id like to see some real gameplay footage
3. Id really love for them to change the controller design...
4 What are they going to have game wise for launch metal gear solid 4....isnt gonna be a launch title in my oppion
Also we cant count out nintendo with there revolution its gonna be a huge seller to alot of homes because the price will be alot more reason able to familys who dont have 500 or so bucks to spend on a system for say there sons birthday. If anyone has real amazing fanboys its nintendo...
But in the end ill get the rev and ps3.
And i have to agree with alot of you i dont think halo 3 would destroy sonys launch but i think nintendo could bring some damage so lets just wait til e3!
Post by: CrystalXBOX on March 15, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: miggidy on March 15, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Mar 15 2006, 11:39 PM)
well to me there is a difference between a hardcore gamer and a sony zombie. a hardcore gamer will more then likely buy all/most of the systems at/near launch. however a sony zombie would buy shit wrapped in tin-foil as long as it had the sony logo on it with kenny k. saying magical words of wonder about it.
either way there are more zombies or hardcore gamers then sony can keep up with for launch, so either way they will sell out with little control from MS. i wish it would be so easy to divert buyers but the ps3 will sell out as good if not better then the 360.
Very true, hardcore gamers will buy as much as they can.
I agree with you and Twisted (and just about everyone else) that M$ has very little to gain by dropping H3 around the PS3 launch. Very little to gain and everything to lose if H3 turns out to be rushed.
With that said, how many of you current X360 owners are planning on buying a PS3 at launch?
Post by: iLLNESS on March 15, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
but since some dude said it on a wbesite i guess its breaking news lol
Post by: Deftech on March 15, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 15 2006, 07:30 PM)
I tend to think that once you're a Halo hater, you'll always be one.
That goes for gamers who like the first game but hated Halo 2.
Unfortunately, I agree as do others(they just wont admit it in fear of getting flamed).
I dont hate Halo per say, its Bungie that irritates me.
Cortana still visits me nightly and sits on my face, but thats for another time....
Out of the 5 people who were here for a week long(yes week long) Halo 2 launch party, Kage and my cousin Jim are the only 2 that would pick up Halo 3 at launch. The remaining 3 of us want nothing to do with part 3 unless it resembles part 1, and COOP ISNT JUST FUCKING SPLIT SCREEN, BUT SYSLINK AND LIVE ARE SUPPORTED!
You see that Bungie?
I felt the same about all Tomb Raiders after part III, and its taken from 1998 to 2006 to even want to bother trying another TR.
Halo 2 had the best soundtrack ever, and at the same time it was the single biggest letdown Ive ever witnessed. The only constants for me in gaming are Recons and Splinter Cells, long live Clancy titles!!!
sorry for the rant, Im at the end of Recon and in typical fashion, the piece of shit ghosts decide to waltz around on their own and irritate me
Post by: rasstar on March 15, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
How on earth can sony be eliminated? that's just not possible ...
Post by: esc1 on March 15, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Tripme on March 15, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
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Halo 2 had the best soundtrack ever, and at the same time it was the single biggest letdown Ive ever witnessed. The only constants for me in gaming are Recons and Splinter Cells, long live Clancy titles!!!
Chaos Theory is by far the best game I have ever played on live(Single player was very awesome too). I have prob clock more hours on that game with my friend than any other game i have ever played.
Post by: Deftech on March 15, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
and Yes Chaos Theory is awesome, my #1 game of all time, heres hoping part 4 takes it a step further
Post by: mgamer20o0 on March 15, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
QUOTE(CrystalXBOX @ Mar 15 2006, 03:51 PM)
Perhaps it's not as much as to steal potential ps3 buyers from Sony, but just to take some of their thunder away by releasing Halo 3, with a movie in the works as well. Basically, you'll have two top news stories, not one
i think the same thing as CrystalXBOX. i think it has to do more about marketing. people here it really doesnt matter when halo 3 or ps3 is launched. we know what we are going to buy. if the news and mags are talking about ps3 sony will get so much free marketing. when a parent goes into the store to get their kid what they have heard being talked about. companies spend so much money to make there items seem cool and popular. if ms doesnt have a "halo 3" or some other big hit all the attention will be on ps3.
Post by: chuxterofdoom on March 15, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Mikeizzle @ Mar 15 2006, 08:24 PM)
if sony is eliminated from the gaming market this would be bad, realy bad. we'd see some real shitty games and whatnot from Miicrosoft and they'd just pritty much monopolize the market.
If that were the case then why are there still quality games on the PC. Don't know anybody that plays Battlefield 2 on a High End Linux rig. I think competition is good but I am a former Piece of Shite 1 and GayStation 2 owner. Once I got into the Xbox I never looked back. Now after being so loyal to Sony for so long and then being able to drop them instantly tells how much MS knows. They have the money, the power, and the knowledge to destroy in any venture they think is profitable.
my $.02
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Post by: Deftech on March 16, 2006, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 16 2006, 03:36 AM)
That dirty filthy cheating whore!
I thought I was her one and only!?
As for Sony, if Bush can say that the world is better off without Saddam,
then I can say the same about Sony.
I can live without Ico and God of War....
yeah shes dirty but we love her.
Ive been saying that about sony for years and will say it forever as they wont ever go away
Id be happy if just Kutaragi vanished, he makes me sick. Hes the problem I have, the festering pile of pond sausage that he is. Post by: IllusiveX on March 16, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
ya another thing to think about is alot of the games are coming to both the ps3 and the 360. Also NINTENDO IS JUST NINTENDO DONT count them out. The rev will be a huge seller exspecially in Japan Besides all that stuff lets just grab a snack and sit back and watch what is to come
Post by: The_Xenocide on March 16, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on March 16, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
QUOTE(The_Xenocide @ Mar 16 2006, 10:13 PM)
honestly, all this is crap, nothing can be said or done until sony has a working system out in the public, you cant say what it will do or look like when you dont even have actual screanshots of final products or a final system, MS might have messed up by launching the x360 so early compaired to other systems giving the other companies time to go over what MS has done by looking at what the X360 has to offer and making it better, but there is again no way to say or tell, with how the ps2 came out it the ps3 might bomb, it might do better then anything with all the asian and 3rd world supporters but again, no way to tell. i like halo and am a die hard fan of the xbox but what i have seen form the 360 dissapoints me, not the games but the horriably setup online service inside the game. i have yet to see a better online setup then halo2's and the only two games on 360 i play online and would consider playing online are COD2 and GRAW, but both have very poorly put together online with the lag and connnection problems, i sony can get a system with online that works great they got it, but MS is too concerned on their market place and what they can put out on it that they are over looking the games setup online.....its sad but im just gonna jump on for the ride and not say anything either way until ps3 is out and ive played it
Youre entitled to youre opinion, as am I, and I say youre confused. Recon offers you thousands of variants for matches and its all done better than past recons, which were already very good.
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Post by: miggidy on March 18, 2006, 12:07:00 AM
Bungie's Halo announcement:
http://news.teamxbox...-Graphic-Novel/