Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 16, 2007, 09:38:00 AM
RedOctane Admits to Guitar Hero II Patch Problem Posted by XanTium | April 16 11:02 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: jeff10 on April 16, 2007, 08:25:00 AM
Mine is fine, but......I went to my buddies and played his yesterday, and his game gets jerky while playing, the screen sorta stops and goes in short burst...?????\\
Post by: Davek1013 on April 16, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: BipSmith on April 16, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
That's far from admitting to a problem.
Post by: bucko on April 16, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: JUANVAN on April 16, 2007, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: wweboy on April 16, 2007, 08:57:00 AM
Worst part is I had just got my 360 back from my co-worker who fixed my 3 red light issues and now it's doing it with GH2
THIS SUCKS I've spent so much on games and perf's to have a patch kill my box.
Post by: 1nsan3 on April 16, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: Nytemunkey on April 16, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: Midnight Tboy on April 16, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Unlikely, but still potential..
If it turns out their patch is indeed to blame, then it could be they have ways to replicate the issue that causes the 360 to overheat, which can then in turn prove that there is a physical hardware fault in the machines.....something that the 360 has no safeguard against going into a 100% cpu usage overload or something and then frying something that is obviously vital.
I'm sure it'll no doubt be denied as this seems to be the trend these days...but who knows
I was about to buy GH2 at the end of this week - I'm not so sure now tho - def hanging fire til I hear any responses and fixes etc
Post by: Kells on April 16, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
I was blessed with a crap guitar. My tilt switch was defective and I was having the whammy bar problem. I've seen all this talk about this so-called patch that fixes the whammy bar problem, yet it says nothing about "faulty" tilt switches. Needless to say, Instead of going back to buy a second guitar, I think i'm just going to return the whole game. I was on the fence until I saw those guitar hero 1 songs and the price of those downloadable packs .... screw it, I'll just keep my PS2 hooked up thanks very much.
It's just not worth the headache .... besides, in my opinion the PS2 version plays better. I've noticed sync problems with the 360 where during certain songs, during intense solo's the notes actually rush through the song ... completely destroying the guitar hero illusion.
Bad form Red Octane .... I guess Activision should have kept Harmonix on board.
Post by: psyantist on April 16, 2007, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 16, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
Honestly... RedOctane didn't admit to anything.
If I told you your house was burning down and asked what you were going to do about it and you replied with "Really? I need to makes some calls to find out what's going on!" you didn't admit to jack Sh*t, that is in no way is a confirmation that your house is burning down...
RedOctane isn't admitting anything, basically they saw that a lot of people were complaining about the update and they're going to check it see if there update is really doing anything (which I highly doubt it is).
10 bucks says in another week or so saying they didn't find anything wrong and that they're not to blame...
Post by: feflicker on April 16, 2007, 11:02:00 AM
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10 bucks says in another week or so saying they didn't find anything wrong and that they're not to blame...
Yep. I agree. How could a game patch brick the console, it doesn't make sense. I mean, maybe some rogue process maxed out the CPU and fried it, but I'm sure they would have caught something like that in debugging... They sit there and watch all of that while they play it to make sure nothing like that happens.
Post by: 0794 on April 16, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(feflicker @ Apr 16 2007, 12:09 PM) 
Yep. I agree. How could a game patch brick the console, it doesn't make sense. I mean, maybe some rogue process maxed out the CPU and fried it, but I'm sure they would have caught something like that in debugging... They sit there and watch all of that while they play it to make sure nothing like that happens.
exactly, more than likely this is a coincidence - and Red Octane has admitted nothing yet - and they shouldn't until it can be reproduced and proven that their patch is involved. i like hearing all the whiners - makes me realise how immature so many people are and how difficult their lives must be if a gaming console can make them lose complete sense and act out as such.
obviously if people are worried then they should just do the hardware fix and bypass the software patch for now...glad i could not care less about this game...
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 16, 2007, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Bizquick @ Apr 16 2007, 02:09 PM)
I've seen too many problems happen from the system updates for me to buy a 360 again. I will just play this game on a PS2 or get the controller and play on the computer. Besides whast this patch do run code before the game launches or does it actualy update your firmware. if its doing a firmware update I can totaly see why some people are getting the 3 rings of death. I mean we all know there is apparently a problem with MS's update program sense it fryed many other systems last go around. Red Octane is not to blame. its MS and its lousy update process it must be flawed.
it does nothing to the firmware... it's a game update it gets stored on your storage device and amends itself to the gamewhenever it boots... just like the 100s of other game updates on the 360.
The funny thing is... considering the game update doesn't even get used until you play the game, it seems kind of ridiculous that it would cause the console to frag on reboot.
That "update" screen just a download bar, the update doesn't even get run until the game is launched again.
Post by: feflicker on April 16, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
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The funny thing is... considering the game update doesn't even get used until you play the game, it seems kind of ridiculous that it would cause the console to frag on reboot.
That "update" screen just a download bar, the update doesn't even get run until the game is launched again.
That "update" screen just a download bar, the update doesn't even get run until the game is launched again.
EXACTLY.
It is not "impossible" to brick a 360 via software from a game patch, however, it would have to be maliciously designed to do so. The odds of "accidentally" creating such a scenario has to be super slim, more likely to win the lottery 100 times in a row.
Post by: gcskate27 on April 16, 2007, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(1nsan3 @ Apr 16 2007, 10:07 AM)
Thank god I hate this game. would be a bit more interesting if it had strings instead of buttons, buttons give it no challenge.
yeah, gh has abs no challenge... jordan on expert is so fucking easy if youve ever even looked at a guitar...
Post by: HSDEMONZ on April 16, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
If games patches are not certified.. then ignore this train of thought. But, if they are.. as sloppy as we suspect Harmonix/RedOctane might be, we gotta hold MS and their cert process to an even higher standard, as IT is supposed to maintain a certain standard and compliance.
i'm also in the they admitted to nothing camp. Now, if they come back in a week, and say.. our fix broke more shit than it fixed.. then that's something. If they come back and say, sorry folks.. it not only broke some shit, but it bricked some stuff too.. and we'll cover the repair costs of out of warranty items like the bricked consoles.
I don't expect them to admit to much if anything. I hope I'm wrong for those who feel they have been wronged in some way by the GHII. For those people, here's hoping I'm way off and that they get the help they thing they deserve.
Post by: 1starvingartist on April 16, 2007, 05:04:00 PM
bought after 7 hours in line on launch day november 05
worked absolutely fine the entire time - no problems whatsoever
modded it on 1 jan 07
worked absolutely fine ever since - no problems whatsoever
played Guiter Hero II for about an hour after getting the patch
(reached my 5000 gamerscore in the process)
now with 3 red lights MS says that they can do nothing for me since my seal is broken
after i lied and told them that it was broken because
"it had a cold solder joint failure after the 'warranty' ran out after 13 months" and "the local computer shop fixed it for 50$" instead of MS's 150$ + 6-infinity weeks turn around time
how the hell did NOBODY NOTICE THIS PATCH KILLING 360's IN EITHER RED OCTANE OR MICROSOFT QUALITY ASSURANCE ????
WHAT THE HELL DOES THE MS CERTIFICATION SEAL ON GH II REALLY MEAN?
Post by: neovader on April 16, 2007, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: gaming fanboy on April 16, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: jeff10 on April 16, 2007, 09:41:00 PM
QUOTE(neovader @ Apr 16 2007, 08:04 PM)
while mine wasn't bricked by the update, I have noticed by previous statements that the games does "hiccup" quite often as where it didn't before. where the notes pass, it will quite often, just lag for a second and doesn't recognize any notes being pressed, kind of upsetting when you are in the middle of a song I must say.
exactly what my friends is doing now,,,,,Mine however is fine
Post by: feflicker on April 17, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
My new theory is that 360's software (the dash) is interpreting a software problem caused by the patch as a hardware failure. Thus the 360 believes the hardware is failing, when in fact it is not. Even this theory is very far-fetched, just because of the way the game updates are handled.
I think, bottom line, this is just a coincidence. I know for the people who had their system die this is hard to believe... To prove the point, let's start a thread that says Fuzion Frenzy 2 crashes your 360 and see how many people reply
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 17, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(openxdkman @ Apr 17 2007, 05:54 AM)
Guys... I think console breakdown cause has been found :
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=595746
I thought it was :
"patch"=>"GPU pushed more"=>"excessive overheating"=>"soldering damaged"
But actually it's :
"patch"=>"GPU pushed more"=>"more heat"=>"motherboard more flexible under X clamp pressure"=>"motherboard flexes"=>"electric contact lost"
...
Mystery solved, I would say!
Exactly how does the Patch push the GPU more?
Lets put this in PC terms... you download and update to some application you run... the download is a zip file (for the sake of argument). whenever you run your application it will unzip and run the patch but not before then.
You download the file but before you run your app you reboot your computer... when you reboot your computer locks up.
How exactly did this effect the GPU?
Even if the patch was causing the problems I still don't see how changing the whammy bar controller algorithm would in any way what-so-ever would effect the GPU.
Post by: growlley on April 17, 2007, 07:34:00 AM
well the drummer might buy it - NAH !
Post by: openxdkman on April 17, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
So maybe patch includes some changes in shaders for smoother graphics... dunno.
I remember it was the same with the fall update. Once patch is applied, they played a bit (let's say one hour).
So, if all experts at MS and RedOctane bet their life that patch can't brick console by software mistake, the only remaining cause is heat. But now we know we don't need a lots of additional heat. Just a very little is enough, to soften a bit more motherboard and have it flexed by the huge X clamps pressure...
I smell a massive business coming for modders... with all these 'clamped' consoles out there... (10 Millions... exactly!)
Post by: Havok on April 17, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(cripsy @ Apr 17 2007, 01:14 PM)
It must be certain games that cause the 360 to run a little differently that fry the unit. I got my maching on launch day as well, and worked flawlessly for 13. Then I picked up a copy of Enchanted Arms really cheap. After playing for 30 mins the game kept freezing, then eventually 3 red rings. Luckilly I had the extra warranty with Best Buy, and after 6 weeks being away it came back repaired. On the repair slip it said "re-soldered connections" and my system has worked great since. I haven't picked up GH2 yet, but I want to. I should do it now since I only have 7 months left on my warranty.
Exactly the point of most of the people in this thread.. Did you blame Enchanted Arms fir breaking your console or was it just a cooincidence, that you played the game for 30 mins and it died.
I heard the same thing with Gears of War... and we will hear the same thing with Halo 3. When one million of people buy a game and 1% of xbox's failed cooincidentally, that is still 10,000 people complaining.
Popularity of a game is directly proportional to complaints.
Post by: openxdkman on April 18, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
List 100 people interested in purchasing GH2 but too afraid to do it for now.
Ask 50 of them to purchase it, update it, play it. Count bricked consoles.
Ask 50 of them to have the X clamps replaced to remove the pressure, purchase game, update it, play it. Count bricked console.
Post by: cripsy on April 18, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
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