Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 27, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
Which Version Of GTA IV Should You Buy? Posted by XanTium | April 27 23:33 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: Ranger72 on April 27, 2008, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: Molten Universe on April 27, 2008, 11:04:00 PM
After all, this is the question i've seen going around on many forums, and it just fuels the fire for fanboys who want to rant.
This post has been edited by Molten Universe: Apr 28 2008, 06:05 AM
Post by: PerfectGun on April 27, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
Wow, was that a stroke of genious or what?
360 for me, the technical problems are being blown out of proportion by the stupid masses of fanboys on the internet because I've seen the game in motion and it looks just fine. The DLC, controller, Achievements and the fact everyone I know who is getting the game on the 360 are the reason's. Then there is the little thing that I OWN A 360! lol
I'm getting sick of people saying the 360 version is full of problems when they are BOTH getting PERFECT scores just about everywhere. I don't think if one version stood out so far technically above the other that they would both be receiving 10/10 scores.
This post has been edited by PerfectGun: Apr 28 2008, 06:10 AM
Post by: Base8 on April 27, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: vgplayer on April 27, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on April 27, 2008, 11:14:00 PM
everyone who owns it will have fun playing it regardless, so its almost a moot point.
Post by: kiwicha on April 27, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 27, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: spivey8 on April 27, 2008, 11:21:00 PM
Post by: steveju on April 27, 2008, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: Elemino on April 27, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: liam82517 on April 27, 2008, 11:54:00 PM
oh and the people talking about the slow load times are the people that have hacked firmware running slower than 12x thats why it takes longer. it loads the textures and buildings and crap on the fly so it needs to accesss the dvd at 12x to keep up.
Post by: CeroSan on April 27, 2008, 11:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Elemino @ Apr 27 2008, 11:36 PM) 
The PS3 isn't exactly a super fast loading machine itself, so I don't see how load times for either machine is an argument. I will say there are way more reasons for me to get in on 360. Acheivements, points, live, content (when it becomes free lol), and i know no one else personally that owns a ps3. I'm not exactly sure why he likes the DS3 better than the 360's controller, but to each his own.
I will be getting the 360 version myself only because I have a lot of friends on LIVE that will be picking it up. Achievements are also a plus.
The PS3 version gives you the option to "Install" GTA on the hard drive. So the load times are shorter on the PS3 due to catching, etc. Also the draw distance is farther on the PS3 as reported by some of the more popular gaming sites.
Anyways, Enjoy your GTA everyone!
Post by: Shonk on April 28, 2008, 12:26:00 AM
also dvd-r dl doesnt read as fast as a pressed disk
i also think you will find the 360 version will look better
as the ps3 version has motion blurring to hide the lower texture quality and fps issues
Post by: kingatrock on April 28, 2008, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: MaulerX on April 28, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: gAm3 Fr3aQu3 on April 28, 2008, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: Flagg3 on April 28, 2008, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Apr 28 2008, 02:49 AM)
Both versions look great. Like IGN's head to head said, to notice a difference you have to put both versions side by side. So in that respect, any visual edge that the PS3 version might have gets drowned by all the 360 intangibles. XBL, Achievements and exclusive DLC.
And don't forget that awesome bonus that games that tax the Xbox 360 really hard like GTA IV invoke the super cool Jet Engine sound simulator on the Xbox 360! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
This post has been edited by Flagg3: Apr 28 2008, 08:12 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 01:07:00 AM
QUOTE(PerfectGun @ Apr 28 2008, 06:08 AM) 
How about you just buy it for the system you own??
Wow, was that a stroke of genious or what?
People like me own both...genius.
QUOTE(Base8 @ Apr 28 2008, 06:09 AM)
Wow.. that article was pretty biased.. I'm getting gta4 on he 360.. because i don't own a ps3. I think it is kinda cheesy that MS payed for exclusive content, but i guess if they hadn't it would seem like a ps3 game that is also on the 360. Good game though... I hope.
Biased? It doesn't even have a conclusion. It's more like a question with a slight opinion that still leaves you wondering what the result should be!
Personally, I'm waiting until the rumored "episodic" content has more information. They haven't dismissed that the PS3 will have the same or similar content, nor confirmed the 360's exclusive content as "completely unique".
They could very well release similar DLC for both systems, with minor differences, or DLC that's very (if not entirely) different to encourage people with both systems to buy both versions.
Post by: colt45joe on April 28, 2008, 02:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Molten Universe @ Apr 28 2008, 06:04 AM)
^^^ Do you honestly think it will be like 3 or vice city how you drive into stuff that wasn't there half a second ago, c
looking at some gameplay videos.. it does seem to happen kinda somewhat few times....
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Post by: irnchriz on April 28, 2008, 02:27:00 AM
LOL
Both versions are identical apart from AA which is on the 360 and the Angela Landsbury vaseline blur filter which the PS3 version uses.
Remember Kotaku are notorious Sony Fanboys and will not accept that the 360 version looks sharper and also does not hitch as much as the PS3 when things get busy onscreen. The PS3 also has to pre-load loads of stuff to the HDD (takes 12 minutes) again.
This runs exactly the same as the PS3 version on an Arcade 360, but runs smoother on a premium.
Of course, hardly anyone plays online on the PS3 so comparing the online is a non-starter.
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Apr 28 2008, 09:43 AM)
People like me own both...genius.
Biased? It doesn't even have a conclusion. It's more like a question with a slight opinion that still leaves you wondering what the result should be!
Personally, I'm waiting until the rumored "episodic" content has more information. They haven't dismissed that the PS3 will have the same or similar content, nor confirmed the 360's exclusive content as "completely unique".
They could very well release similar DLC for both systems, with minor differences, or DLC that's very (if not entirely) different to encourage people with both systems to buy both versions.
There is no DLC for PS3 and sadly no Home integration coming for GTA either.
Post by: ThaCrip on April 28, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
i would say neither, wait for the (superior) PC version cause of mouse aiming
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on April 28, 2008, 03:29:00 AM
If you have the choice I would go with the one with better online and known DC coming to it. But fuck it people, just get it
Post by: trey85stang on April 28, 2008, 03:36:00 AM
QUOTE(PerfectGun @ Apr 28 2008, 06:08 AM)
Wow, was that a stroke of genious or what?
No, it wasn't.. spelling mistake or not.
Post by: Chancer on April 28, 2008, 03:48:00 AM
Don't see online as an issue on either. It amazes me how people make a sweeping statement that every game is better online on the 360. I tell you for certain. COD 4 is a sgood on PSN as it is on the 360.(Was going to buy COD4 for the 360 but playing online at my mates there was no difference between the 2 ) Why would GTA be any different?? Online I usually like to play against and in conjunction with other people I don't know. If i want to play my mates, we all turn up at one house and play...much more social. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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The PS3 also has to pre-load loads of stuff to the HDD (takes 12 minutes) again.
Once. the first time you insert the game. Suddenly we go from people wanting to load everything onto the HDD (Xbox) to it being the worst thing ever.
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Of course, hardly anyone plays online on the PS3 so comparing the online is a non-starter.
Quite simply untrue in my experience and I play both online.
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360 version looks sharper and also does not hitch as much as the PS3 when things get busy onscreen.
Oh you have played both versions then?
The one thing that will swing many with duel systems to the 360 is the exclusive content.
But as stated which ever machine you get it for, it's just another sequel at the end of the day.
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Post by: beasty54 on April 28, 2008, 03:35:00 AM
QUOTE(steveju @ Apr 28 2008, 07:33 AM)
"The PS3 version is uncompressed and runs at a native 1080p Full HD resolution."
I'm afraid it doesn't, neither versions run at a native 1080p.
Post by: d-range on April 28, 2008, 04:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 10:48 AM)
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Don't see online as an issue on either. It amazes me how people make a sweeping statement that every game is better online on the 360. I tell you for certain. COD 4 is a sgood on PSN as it is on the 360.(Was going to buy COD4 for the 360 but playing online at my mates there was no difference between the 2 ) Why would GTA be any different?? Online I usually like to play against and in conjunction with other people I don't know. If i want to play my mates, we all turn up at one house and play...much more social. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Don't see online as an issue on either. It amazes me how people make a sweeping statement that every game is better online on the 360. I tell you for certain. COD 4 is a sgood on PSN as it is on the 360.(Was going to buy COD4 for the 360 but playing online at my mates there was no difference between the 2 ) Why would GTA be any different?? Online I usually like to play against and in conjunction with other people I don't know. If i want to play my mates, we all turn up at one house and play...much more social. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I think that's not really an 'excuse' for crappy online play. I don't really play online much anyway so I don't care that much, but saying matchmaking with friends is redundant because you can 'just all turn up at one house and play' is a bit stupid. It's not really an option for most people, it's not convenient, and there's not really a reason why the PS3 doesn't have friends lists etc. That said, the only game I tried playing online on my PS3 was Guitar Hero III and I can only say the online play sucks balls. It took me 10+ minutes for any game to start, there where virtually no other people and I was unable to connect to over half of the people present. If a simple game like Catan on the 360 works so well online, it's strange to see how terrible GH works, which (I think) is a direct consequence of the 360 having integrated libraries for online play, matchmaking etc, which makes stuff a lot easier for developers. It's definitely a BIG plus for the 360 over the PS3. Not even mentioning the crappy PS3 store and the problems I had downloading updates (slow, huge and fail a lot). I didn't manage to race online on GT5P either, but since I hate that game anyway (got fed up with the boring gameplay after only 4 hours) I've not tried that many times (only twice, in fact)
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 10:48 AM)
Once. the first time you insert the game. Suddenly we go from people wanting to load everything onto the HDD (Xbox) to it being the worst thing ever.
I've seen you make this comment before but I think this is a really bad argument as well. Only people who hacked their xbox 1 and put really big HD's in it wanted their games on the HD, and I assume most of which where downloaded illegaly which makes copying to the HD a lot more interesting. Since people are not really hacking the PS3 or downloading 'backups' for it, and seeing that some PS3's have only 20GB HDs and most of them have only 40GB, with installation to HD becoming the standard, this is going to suck a lot for average Joe or Jane who just buys a game console and finds out the HD runs out after they have more than 5 games. Call it whatever you like, but as soon as I will have to start cleaning my HD when I want to switch games and wait another 15 minutes to reinstall, I'm going to be very, very annoyed.
This post has been edited by d-range: Apr 28 2008, 11:33 AM
Post by: tummybanana on April 28, 2008, 05:05:00 AM
QUOTE(steveju @ Apr 28 2008, 05:33 AM)
"The PS3 version is uncompressed and runs at a native 1080p Full HD resolution."
and seeing as most people only have either a standard tv or 720 res tv, big deal
Post by: Hidari_Mak on April 28, 2008, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 28 2008, 12:51 AM)
I will be getting the PS3 version. I have heard too many complaints about the slow loading of textures on the 360 version. I want to see what I am hitting before I hit it instead of waiting for the texture to load after I have already hit the object.
Even though Kotaku made no reference to a difference in loading times, textures, and draw distances, saying that the only difference was DTS (instead of Dolby Digital) sound on the PS3 versus exclusive content on the 360? From what I've seen of the more professional websites, your claim doesn't hold up either, although I admit to not following this game that closely. Where have you seen claims of such drastic differences in graphics? Keep in mind that some professional websites are extremely biased, such as Gamepro for example.
QUOTE(Base8 @ Apr 28 2008, 01:09 AM)
Wow.. that article was pretty biased.. I'm getting gta4 on he 360.. because i don't own a ps3. I think it is kinda cheesy that MS payed for exclusive content, but i guess if they hadn't it would seem like a ps3 game that is also on the 360. Good game though... I hope.
Actually, Sony frequently had developers sign contracts to keep games off of competing platforms altogether with the PS1 and PS2. The only reason GTA3 and GTA:VC came to the Xbox at all was that the Sony contract forbid Rockstar from releasing those games individually for the Xbox, according to what was published on it. Paying for exclusives and exclusive content is common practice for this business. Potential profits from versions competing against Sony were just a lot easier to write off.
And as others have said, it's unknown how good the 360s exclusive content will be, and how well Sony's free online service will perform. If you love the series and have to choose, it might be a good idea to wait a few more weeks.
Post by: jimbobjim on April 28, 2008, 06:46:00 AM
I would like to try both versions but I doubt there will be much in it.
Post by: gAm3 Fr3aQu3 on April 28, 2008, 08:28:00 AM
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 28 2008, 03:30 AM)
I think that's not really an 'excuse' for crappy online play. I don't really play online much anyway so I don't care that much, but saying matchmaking with friends is redundant because you can 'just all turn up at one house and play' is a bit stupid. It's not really an option for most people, it's not convenient, and there's not really a reason why the PS3 doesn't have friends lists etc. That said, the only game I tried playing online on my PS3 was Guitar Hero III and I can only say the online play sucks balls. It took me 10+ minutes for any game to start, there where virtually no other people and I was unable to connect to over half of the people present. If a simple game like Catan on the 360 works so well online, it's strange to see how terrible GH works, which (I think) is a direct consequence of the 360 having integrated libraries for online play, matchmaking etc, which makes stuff a lot easier for developers. It's definitely a BIG plus for the 360 over the PS3. Not even mentioning the crappy PS3 store and the problems I had downloading updates (slow, huge and fail a lot). I didn't manage to race online on GT5P either, but since I hate that game anyway (got fed up with the boring gameplay after only 4 hours) I've not tried that many times (only twice, in fact)
I've seen you make this comment before but I think this is a really bad argument as well. Only people who hacked their xbox 1 and put really big HD's in it wanted their games on the HD, and I assume most of which where downloaded illegaly which makes copying to the HD a lot more interesting. Since people are not really hacking the PS3 or downloading 'backups' for it, and seeing that some PS3's have only 20GB HDs and most of them have only 40GB, with installation to HD becoming the standard, this is going to suck a lot for average Joe or Jane who just buys a game console and finds out the HD runs out after they have more than 5 games. Call it whatever you like, but as soon as I will have to start cleaning my HD when I want to switch games and wait another 15 minutes to reinstall, I'm going to be very, very annoyed.
I know this is an Xbox site and all... but how can the hell you say PS3 has crappy online play, especially since you don't even play many PS3 games online, and games online in general? Have you even tried COD4, WarHawk, etc..? I can get into matches within as early as 5 seconds. Your comment is pretty much null 'n void when you said that you've only tried a game online twice for the PS3...
And how do you know if most people have the 20/40gb version when most of the stores (at least the ones local to me) are always out of the 80gb version? Even if it is true, the PS3 accepts an external HDD... so again, your comment is null 'n void.
Post by: irnchriz on April 28, 2008, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 11:48 AM)
Oh you have played both versions then?
The one thing that will swing many with duel systems to the 360 is the exclusive content.
But as stated which ever machine you get it for, it's just another sequel at the end of the day.
Yes i have
To completion on both systems
Post by: JohnnyVegas on April 28, 2008, 09:21:00 AM
No mods, 12x, pressed.
there is not a single glitch in graphics. I grabbed a "qorvette" (corvette) and destroyed the city along with many others. There is a blur effect on the city in the distance. But the detail is outstanding.
There is no load time issue. Not at all. Thats just simpley made up and make-believe.
Post by: bucko on April 28, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Apr 28 2008, 09:27 AM)
There is no DLC for PS3 and sadly no Home integration coming for GTA either.
Source? Don't give me that BS joystiq article based off a "blogger's lunch" either.
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 28 2008, 11:30 AM)
I think that's not really an 'excuse' for crappy online play.
How do you know the online play will be 'crappy'? If you're meaning in general, I can't tell you how much happier I am with the PS3 version of COD4 over the 360 version, as finding a match is much faster. Maps load up a bit quicker, too, thanx to the install.
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Apr 28 2008, 08:43 AM)
Personally, I'm waiting until the rumored "episodic" content has more information. They haven't dismissed that the PS3 will have the same or similar content, nor confirmed the 360's exclusive content as "completely unique".
Post by: Ranger72 on April 28, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(bucko @ Apr 28 2008, 05:11 PM)
Thought about getting PS3 version but really want the exclusive content on ma 360. Does anyone know if there target system was PS3 for development? Hence the delay I'm assuming it was that may give the edge on the PS3 in terms of speed etc but I don't know I'm just guessing.
I am willing to bet that the PS3 version will have exclusive content as well. May not be the same content but there will be added content all the same.
Good thing is that since they have about 40GB of extra space on the Blu-Ray disk then all the extra content may already be on the disk and only needs to be unlocked.
So I say let the 360 people have to download their content and us PS3 people can just simply unlock the content already there.
Post by: dokworm on April 28, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
Not sure why you would buy the PS3 version unless you like the controller better.
Gizmodo's review stressed that the graphics were virtually identical, and that you wouldn't notice the benefits of one over the other in actual gameplay.
The 360 has downloadable content that the PS3 doesn't, and has matchmaking which the PS3 doesn't. I wish you had the option to pre-install on the 360, don't see why it can't be an *option*, the same way I can't see why pre-install is *mandatory* on the PS3.
But really, I don't see any tangible benefit to buying the PS3 version over the 360 version, it sounds pretty much like a wash, but the DLC on the 360 should extend the value of the game.
and as for the DLC already being on the PS3 disc, very funny!
Post by: Reaper527 on April 28, 2008, 10:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Molten Universe @ Apr 28 2008, 01:04 AM)
its a different advanced gaming generation now, and I'm (pretty) sure that the game will be flawless on both consoles.
you think so? for the reason you started that train of thought with, i think neither will be flawless. i think a year or two down the road we will get some kind of spin off with all the bugs fixed (Vice City 2? something gta that isn't gta5)
Post by: mercury187 on April 28, 2008, 10:57:00 AM
I'm torn between the two versions personally, only have warhawk on ps3 so another ps3 game would be nice but with all the hosting problems with the metal gear online beta the ps3 online play has me kind of worried. Ive also been reading about gt5p online gaming problems with cars ghosting and whatnot, will have to wait and see real world testing by individuals on the ps3 but without friends list and being able to private chat while gaming on the ps3 is a big drawback.
Post by: Ranger72 on April 28, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(dokworm @ Apr 28 2008, 05:39 PM)
and as for the DLC already being on the PS3 disc, very funny!
How so? Its not like it has never happened. It already does happen on many 360 games.
I have downloaded so called bonus content from Live for games that only end up being a 200kb download? That leads me to think this content was already on the disk and only needed to be unlocked.
It is entirely feasible that the current disk for GTA already has bonus content that cannot be accessed until its unlocked.
But since many PS3 games do have a lot of downloadable content then this is more likely will be the case with GTA as well.
But anyone who thinks there will not be any bonus content for the PS3 version we will see. It may not be the same content the 360 version will have but it will be something completely different and probably just as good.
But in the end I do believe this game is way overly hyped. Rock Star can release a box full of god poo and stick a GTA name on it and people will buy it like crazy and probably give it a perfect 10.
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 11:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 28 2008, 06:03 PM)
But anyone who thinks there will not be any bonus content for the PS3 version we will see.
It amazes me that some boards have people swearing the PS3 version will have NO content. TT would make lots of money with DLC.
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 28 2008, 06:03 PM)
But in the end I do believe this game is way overly hyped. Rock Star can release a box full of god poo and stick a GTA name on it and people will buy it like crazy and probably give it a perfect 10.
While it may be overhyped, it's still probably a great game. I'm sure the overhyping won't be as severe as the Halo 3 wars we've seen
Post by: lmaolmao on April 28, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Molten Universe @ Apr 28 2008, 06:04 AM)
^^^ Do you honestly think it will be like 3 or vice city how you drive into stuff that wasn't there half a second ago, come on, give Rockstar some credit on the XBOX360, its a different advanced gaming generation now, and I'm (pretty) sure that the game will be flawless on both consoles.
After all, this is the question i've seen going around on many forums, and it just fuels the fire for fanboys who want to rant.
it's happened to me already (360 version)!
Post by: kowrip on April 28, 2008, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(spivey8 @ Apr 28 2008, 06:21 AM)
i got my gta iv already and its awesome, i have no idea what these people are saying about LONG LOAD TIME....the game runs very smooth and fast
Agreed. I don't see any slow downs, long load times or glitches. It runs great and the graphics are a big step up from the GTA:SA graphics on the Xbox. Nice job Rockstar !
Post by: jimjom on April 28, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
ive been on the 360 version more than ps3, but i can honestly say it runs better on ps3.
there is some texture pop ups and shit going on, ala ps2 days, on retail and backup, modded and stock systems, on 360.
it really doesnt bother me at all. the game is totally ____________ awesome.
the ps3 version is very clean. just from a peek, i felt it looked slightly better.
but hey! we got the wicked DLC!!! makes up for it. ps3 got split screen though, not that im huge on that but....
and where did the 360 hard drive install option go? I coulda sworn I read something about 360 owners being able to get some hard drive boost. hmmmm..... oh well, cant wait to get out of work and get back on it.
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Apr 28 2008, 09:27 AM)
There is no DLC for PS3 and sadly no Home integration coming for GTA either.
I called Take Two & they didn't have info one way or the other on DLC for either system (though they could confirm DLC for 360 would be coming later this year) and did some web searching, and this is what I found:
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An article in the latest version of PlayStation World Magazine states that the PS3 will indeed be getting downloadable content. This information comes straight from GTA 4's senior developer, Jeronimo Barrera.
Source: http://www.gamecolli...ntent-confirmed
Post by: shadowlyrycal on April 28, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
Yes i own both ps3 and 360....
My ps3 sits there and collect dust.....IT only runs when i put a blueray movie inside....I have cod4 for both systems.....both versions are good but..online play on the ps3 is awfull...Strangle hold.. sometimes there's a 20 min even more wait....Armored Core 4 samething.. while i can put in my gears of war game right now....yes an very old game.. and still find matchs and play... im a huge sony fan but ps3 sucks. im waiting for the good games to come out. ..You have to understand...what your use to on the xbox360 and then what you get from the ps3 is a major downgrade....For this so called NExt generation machine....your suppose to be able to do everything and more.....but thats very unlikely... And for the people that say DLC is not needed...can you honestly say that. i mean it add more replay value to the game....so you can go home and say yes. my 60$ purchase was worth it.. can you say the same if you buy the ps3 version?
Post by: lostboyz on April 28, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: fuzzyfuk on April 28, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(jimjom @ Apr 28 2008, 11:25 AM)
and where did the 360 hard drive install option go? I coulda sworn I read something about 360 owners being able to get some hard drive boost. hmmmm..... oh well, cant wait to get out of work and get back on it.
The option was there in the beta, but it has been removed. Not needed anyway. The game runs great without it.
Post by: Merkaba on April 28, 2008, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: fuzzyfuk on April 28, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Merkaba @ Apr 28 2008, 12:12 PM)
im sure the game uses the hard drive to cache when it is present on the 360. i got the 120gb hard drive for my 360 arcade. and I swear mass effect runs worse with it, sometimes pausing for about 30 seconds in the menus and $%&. is there a way to defrag this thing? cuz i got a lot of downloaded stuffs.
Try reseting the 360 to defaults or deleting everything. Thats the only thing I can think of.
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowlyrycal @ Apr 28 2008, 07:41 PM)
XBOX360 version definetly...heres my reasons.
Yes i own both ps3 and 360....
My ps3 sits there and collect dust.....IT only runs when i put a blueray movie inside....I have cod4 for both systems.....both versions are good but..online play on the ps3 is awfull...Strangle hold.. sometimes there's a 20 min even more wait....Armored Core 4 samething.. while i can put in my gears of war game right now....yes an very old game.. and still find matchs and play... im a huge sony fan but ps3 sucks. im waiting for the good games to come out. ..You have to understand...what your use to on the xbox360 and then what you get from the ps3 is a major downgrade....For this so called NExt generation machine....your suppose to be able to do everything and more.....but thats very unlikely... And for the people that say DLC is not needed...can you honestly say that. i mean it add more replay value to the game....so you can go home and say yes. my 60$ purchase was worth it.. can you say the same if you buy the ps3 version?
I don't know what's more surprising: your unique "worse" COD4 experience, or the fact that you joined in '03 and this is your FIRST post (seriously, of all things that have happened from '03 until '08, THIS was what motivated you to join the conversation).
Not that I'm saying you're fibbing or anything, just that my experience is very different. Gears of War matches are scarce lately (most I can find is 3, and never all good connections), and I know there's still over a million people playing it. When I search by specific rounds, different matches show, but still maximum of 3 (past 2 weeks). YMMV, indeed.
Post by: Chancer on April 28, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 28 2008, 11:30 AM)
I think that's not really an 'excuse' for crappy online play. I don't really play online much anyway so I don't care that much, but saying matchmaking with friends is redundant because you can 'just all turn up at one house and play' is a bit stupid. It's not really an option for most people, it's not convenient, and there's not really a reason why the PS3 doesn't have friends lists etc. That said, the only game I tried playing online on my PS3 was Guitar Hero III and I can only say the online play sucks balls. It took me 10+ minutes for any game to start, there where virtually no other people and I was unable to connect to over half of the people present. If a simple game like Catan on the 360 works so well online, it's strange to see how terrible GH works, which (I think) is a direct consequence of the 360 having integrated libraries for online play, matchmaking etc, which makes stuff a lot easier for developers. It's definitely a BIG plus for the 360 over the PS3. Not even mentioning the crappy PS3 store and the problems I had downloading updates (slow, huge and fail a lot). I didn't manage to race online on GT5P either, but since I hate that game anyway (got fed up with the boring gameplay after only 4 hours) I've not tried that many times (only twice, in fact)
I've seen you make this comment before but I think this is a really bad argument as well. Only people who hacked their xbox 1 and put really big HD's in it wanted their games on the HD, and I assume most of which where downloaded illegaly which makes copying to the HD a lot more interesting. Since people are not really hacking the PS3 or downloading 'backups' for it, and seeing that some PS3's have only 20GB HDs and most of them have only 40GB, with installation to HD becoming the standard, this is going to suck a lot for average Joe or Jane who just buys a game console and finds out the HD runs out after they have more than 5 games. Call it whatever you like, but as soon as I will have to start cleaning my HD when I want to switch games and wait another 15 minutes to reinstall, I'm going to be very, very annoyed.
It's not an excuse for crappy online play. I didn't say the online play was crappy. As for you not being able to get a match on GH, I can't comment I don't have it, but every game I play online which is nearly every game I have, I have never, repeat never had a problem finding a team or opponent. Are you actually suggesting there will be no online players for GTA 4?? Surely not.
Your comment on integrated libraries means nothing to me. Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close, I get on with them all so having them round for a beer and a game is not inconvenient or stupid. You ought to try it. Why would I want to play them online if I could simply phone them and say fancy coming round for a game and a chat and a laugh. It's good to interact with humans face to face, seems a bit impersonal doing it via the console.
As for your comment about all the people who backed up games onto the Xbox only liking it because they are all pirates, you must be speaking for your own experience because I did it with my genuine games to save the disc and better still to save having to get the disc out every time.
Oh and if you are worried about your HDD so much fit a 250GB. Personally I have 17 games for the PS3 and I don't need a bigger HDD yet, that includes loading patches for Pro Evo as well.
Post by: El3M3nT on April 28, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
but not only that but give us exclusive DLC.If you read it you can tell, who would forsake DLC for minor graphical differences and a Dual shock controller <== I fucking hate the thing.
Post by: lostboyz on April 28, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
I agree with most of what you said, just didnt have to be an ass about it
Also, your sig is too big
Post by: Chancer on April 28, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Apr 28 2008, 04:18 PM)
Yes i have
To completion on both systemsWhy do I find that not at all believable
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I dont know if you are calling chancer a sony fanboy but that isnt the case.
I think he means the article writer. If not I don't know many Sony fanboys that also own 2 360s
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Also, your sig is too big
Not any more
Post by: Reaper527 on April 28, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 04:11 PM)
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close,
if i can comment on this one, i have friends who are around over the summer (live in the same city), but during the fall and spring, they all go off to distant parts of the state (or other states) for college. online play lets us play together.
(also, i despise split screen on games other than guitar hero/ddr)
Post by: Chancer on April 28, 2008, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Apr 28 2008, 10:08 PM)
if i can comment on this one, i have friends who are around over the summer (live in the same city), but during the fall and spring, they all go off to distant parts of the state (or other states) for college. online play lets us play together.
(also, i despise split screen on games other than guitar hero/ddr)
yes we all have distant friends and we play online against them but that is not the point I was making....but I suspect you know that
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 28, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 09:11 PM)
Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
He did mention the only game he tried online with his PS3 was Guitar Hero 3. I believe he's under the impression that since there's no in-game XMB yet, that you can't send invites to friends, in which case I can lay that to rest. Every PS3 game I have with multiplayer (which is most of my library), allows you to invite your friends; you aren't required to use the XMB to invite them. When we do finally get the in-game XMB (fw 2.4; should be soon), it'll add the ability to send and read messages as well as chat with other people (that you're NOT playing with at that time) while you're in a game.
It seems the majority of bad things people attribute to the PS3 simply aren't true. I believe they think "if it doesn't do it exactly like the 360, it must not do it", which is just being ignorant.
Post by: blitz240sx93 on April 28, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on April 28, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Apr 28 2008, 04:18 PM)
Yes i have
To completion on both systemsPost Sunday night (UK) time, I smell BS big time.
Go with whatever. Just GET IT
Post by: Looouky on April 28, 2008, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 09:11 PM)
It's not an excuse for crappy online play. I didn't say the online play was crappy. As for you not being able to get a match on GH, I can't comment I don't have it, but every game I play online which is nearly every game I have, I have never, repeat never had a problem finding a team or opponent. Are you actually suggesting there will be no online players for GTA 4?? Surely not.
Your comment on integrated libraries means nothing to me. Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close, I get on with them all so having them round for a beer and a game is not inconvenient or stupid. You ought to try it. Why would I want to play them online if I could simply phone them and say fancy coming round for a game and a chat and a laugh. It's good to interact with humans face to face, seems a bit impersonal doing it via the console.
As for your comment about all the people who backed up games onto the Xbox only liking it because they are all pirates, you must be speaking for your own experience because I did it with my genuine games to save the disc and better still to save having to get the disc out every time.
Oh and if you are worried about your HDD so much fit a 250GB. Personally I have 17 games for the PS3 and I don't need a bigger HDD yet, that includes loading patches for Pro Evo as well.
Chancer I am very happy for you that you live very close to all your friends. Unfortunatley this is not true for a lot of us. My friends are over 300kms away; I can not meet them in a pub for drinks or go down to their place for a nice game of halo or GT5.
Now I have both systems and most of my friends have ps3. Now I like the ps3, but the fact of the matter is that their online service was not thought out from the start. It feels tackled on, like if it were a response to xbox live. That is at least that the way it feels to me. The service by no means is horrible. It is actually pretty decent from my experiences though it has a lot of shortcomings. In my opinion here are its shortcomings:
1) No universal friend list. This makes it though to play your friends through out different games. Ghost Recon 2 is a great example I have to play a game with an individual before I can add them as a friend.
2) No cross game chat. My friends and I dont have the same taste for games, but why cant I talk to them as they have their own unique experience.
There are more, like that fact there is no private game setup for GT5 that is just dumb. Both services are great, but the fact is that it would be a lot easier for me if the PSN were more like live.
Post by: _GhOsT_ on April 28, 2008, 05:37:00 PM
personally im getting it for the 360 but not for the looks or the special content. im getting it for the game play. i have played every gta that has come out and i love the series (i dont care what other people say)
360 special edition is what i paid for and i am happy with my decision
Post by: MaulerX on April 28, 2008, 06:22:00 PM
That's right folks, the PS3 version's native resolution is 630p. If the sacrifice in resolution is what makes
the PS3 version run "slightly" better, then it proves how identical both versions really are.
Post by: Elemino on April 28, 2008, 06:30:00 PM
QUOTE(CeroSan @ Apr 28 2008, 12:59 AM)
The PS3 version gives you the option to "Install" GTA on the hard drive.
Oh great, another game to "install" on the PS3. It's a good thing I don't have like 10 games on the PS3 like I have on the 360, because these 2GB installs would eat up that 20gb of usuable space before i can even save anything to the system.QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Apr 28 2008, 02:11 AM)
And don't forget that awesome bonus that games that tax the Xbox 360 really hard like GTA IV invoke the super cool Jet Engine sound simulator on the Xbox 360! 
That is completely drowned out by my surround sound system.
Post by: wmxp on April 28, 2008, 08:53:00 PM
PS3: 630p with 2xAA at FP16 Lighting
X360: 720p with 2xAA with FP10 Lighting
PS3 has a "softer" image because it is lower resolution being upscaled to 720p. 360 version is sharper because it is being rendered natively at that resolution.
Post by: Chancer on April 29, 2008, 03:08:00 AM
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Chancer I am very happy for you that you live very close to all your friends. Unfortunatley this is not true for a lot of us. My friends are over 300kms away; I can not meet them in a pub for drinks or go down to their place for a nice game of halo or GT5.
Right let me put this to bed. It seems people deliberately misinterpret stuff.
I never said ALL my friends live close to me. I have friends that have moved away, work away, live away.
I never said I don't play with friends on live. I prefer to have friends over or go to their house and play in a group. I am not so thick as to believe this is possible for a friend who lives 300 miles away.
You know exactly what was meant by the comment and I really find it very hard to believe the people that are making out they have No friends that live close to them Do you not socialise with people where you live? If you have no friends close by who you enjoy a game with in person then you are spending too much time dressed in an anorak, playing XBL or PSN, with people miles away, to communicate with the people on your doorstep......
Cue a post by someone with no houses, shops or people within 300 miles of their remote farmhouse.
Post by: Looouky on April 29, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 29 2008, 10:08 AM)
Right let me put this to bed. It seems people deliberately misinterpret stuff.
I never said ALL my friends live close to me. I have friends that have moved away, work away, live away.
I never said I don't play with friends on live. I prefer to have friends over or go to their house and play in a group. I am not so thick as to believe this is possible for a friend who lives 300 miles away.
You know exactly what was meant by the comment and I really find it very hard to believe the people that are making out they have No friends that live close to them Do you not socialise with people where you live? If you have no friends close by who you enjoy a game with in person then you are spending too much time dressed in an anorak, playing XBL or PSN, with people miles away, to communicate with the people on your doorstep......
Cue a post by someone with no houses, shops or people within 300 miles of their remote farmhouse.
I have a couple of friends where I live right now, but the fact is that most of my new friends don't like playing video games. I am not a teenager, I am 25 years old I don't spend online all the time trying to make new friends close to me that play video games. I like the fact that I am close to a group of 15 high school friends who must of them love video games. I like how you focused only on the friend's comment and ditracted directly from the short commings of the PSN. My hope is Sony copies more from MS, I hardly care who wins the race I just want my experience to be the most user friendly, that is where MS wins and naturally because they are a software company. Here is hoping that for my PS4 I have a universal friends list, the ability to hook up my ipod and play any music I like, and for online service that is still free.
Anyhow all this is just my opinion, people's opinion differ and and so do there standard. Some guys are ok with an ok looking girl, and some guys will not have anything else but a bombshell.
Post by: mercury187 on April 29, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: Chancer on April 30, 2008, 03:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Looouky @ Apr 29 2008, 04:36 PM)
I have a couple of friends where I live right now, but the fact is that most of my new friends don't like playing video games. I am not a teenager, I am 25 years old I don't spend online all the time trying to make new friends close to me that play video games. I like the fact that I am close to a group of 15 high school friends who must of them love video games. I like how you focused only on the friend's comment and ditracted directly from the short commings of the PSN. My hope is Sony copies more from MS, I hardly care who wins the race I just want my experience to be the most user friendly, that is where MS wins and naturally because they are a software company. Here is hoping that for my PS4 I have a universal friends list, the ability to hook up my ipod and play any music I like, and for online service that is still free.
Anyhow all this is just my opinion, people's opinion differ and and so do there standard. Some guys are ok with an ok looking girl, and some guys will not have anything else but a bombshell.
I am not sure why you mention the fact you are 25, like that prevents you from having friends. I am not sure either why you think you find friends living close via online play. If you are intimating that I am some 15 year old kid whose friends are all met online then you are so far wide of the mark it's untrue. If you check my profile you will see I am one of the oldest gits on here..
Your comments on the PSN, I will address as it seems to have bothered you.
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No universal friend list. This makes it though to play your friends through out different games. Ghost Recon 2 is a great example I have to play a game with an individual before I can add them as a friend.
Don't you understand how the PS works ? Simply add your friends via their ID. You DON'T have to play a game against anyone before they can be added to your friends list. What you mean is it is not an identical method to the 360 so you are baffled by it.
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No cross game chat. My friends and I dont have the same taste for games, but why cant I talk to them as they have their own unique experience.
Personally it doesn't appeal, but this is not coming until Firmware 2.4 in the summer.
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There are more, like that fact there is no private game setup for GT5 that is just dumb. Both services are great, but the fact is that it would be a lot easier for me if the PSN were more like live.
I don't play GT5 but you are citing one game, but I can't comment accurately related to this game.
Your closing line says it all. It's not the same as using XBL. No it's not it is an alternative. Because you are familiar with XBL you seem unable to utilise the PSN to the best of it's current ability.
You are making another assumption that GTA4 the game on topic will be worse online on the PSN than XBL. I am betting there is no major difference in game.
Post by: grim_d on April 30, 2008, 04:15:00 AM
gears of war, cod4 etc are much much worse for it.
i reckon the launch 360's are faster (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
This post has been edited by grim_d: Apr 30 2008, 11:17 AM
Post by: d-range on April 30, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 09:11 PM)
It's not an excuse for crappy online play. I didn't say the online play was crappy. As for you not being able to get a match on GH, I can't comment I don't have it, but every game I play online which is nearly every game I have, I have never, repeat never had a problem finding a team or opponent. Are you actually suggesting there will be no online players for GTA 4?? Surely not.
Your comment on integrated libraries means nothing to me. Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close, I get on with them all so having them round for a beer and a game is not inconvenient or stupid. You ought to try it. Why would I want to play them online if I could simply phone them and say fancy coming round for a game and a chat and a laugh. It's good to interact with humans face to face, seems a bit impersonal doing it via the console.
As for your comment about all the people who backed up games onto the Xbox only liking it because they are all pirates, you must be speaking for your own experience because I did it with my genuine games to save the disc and better still to save having to get the disc out every time.
Oh and if you are worried about your HDD so much fit a 250GB. Personally I have 17 games for the PS3 and I don't need a bigger HDD yet, that includes loading patches for Pro Evo as well.
Chancer, I'm sorry to say but now you're making fanboyish comments. The only thing I said was that my online experience on my PS3 has always sucked compared to the 360, and that it is just plain ignorant to say proper friends lists are unnecessary 'because you can have friends over'. Your sarcastic 'you should try it yourself sometime' comment appears to confirm that. FWIW, I don't play games that much when I have friends over anyway (I'm over 25 and almost all my friends are, and most of them don't even like gaming). I know for a fact that my brother plays online a lot, and he has 'friends' (yes he also has real-world friends, the 2 are not mutually exclusive you know) all over the world that he plays against. Fact is that being able to *easily* set up a game *for specific people* in *any game* that supports online is a big plus. That's what I meant with the 'integrated online libraries' on the 360: everything online is already covered by Microsoft, the developer just needs to create a nice GUI around it and be done with it. The PS3 apparently lacks this, seeing that the games I tried suck so much (admittedly: only GT5P, GHIII, Motorstorm), all work differently, have different feature sets or don't have online play at all.
I don't know what you are trying to say with your comments about my Xbox 1 and the fact that *you* used it for backing up your games and I supposedly used it for piracy. I don't want to get into this because first of all its offtopic and second of all you're more or less inviting comments that are against your own forum rules but let me keep it at this: yes 95% of the people with modded Xbox-es used it for piracy, period. That said: it doesn't even matter for this discussion because the only thing I said was that people will run out of PS3 HDD space soon and they will *not* be amused having to muck around with hard drives. Upgrading the HDD *and* keeping all your save data is not that easy for tech-illiterate people btw.
I'm not really sure why you're even trying to defend your point here, I think most people would agree that the 360 just has a much better online experience. Obviously you don't 'because COD4 works so well'. My experience is that games don't work, don't work well, updates are slow, large, fail a lot, every game has different online setups, some of them crappy, some of them too difficult, the whole system has less features than the 360, is more difficult to use ("there's a new update, go to settings->system settings->system update'??), not integrated with the XMB and so on and so forth... Next thing I know you'll be defending Nintendo for their great online experience...
You've most like already read the topic about GTA IV online issues on the PS3. I rest my case...
This post has been edited by d-range: Apr 30 2008, 01:50 PM
Post by: PowderDay on April 30, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
Patients is a virtue, good things come to those who wait!
Post by: Chancer on May 03, 2008, 04:52:00 AM
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)
. The PS3 apparently lacks this, seeing that the games I tried suck so much (admittedly: only GT5P, GHIII, Motorstorm), all work differently, have different feature sets or don't have online play at all.
Hardly a great standpoint to reinforce your point is it? 3 games?? (One of those a £19.99 prelude to the proper game GT5)
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)
the only thing I said was that people will run out of PS3 HDD space soon and they will *not* be amused having to muck around with hard drives. Upgrading the HDD *and* keeping all your save data is not that easy for tech-illiterate people btw.
Do me a favour it's in the instruction booklet and a 3 year old could do it.
QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)
I'm not really sure why you're even trying to defend your point here, I think most people would agree that the 360 just has a much better online experience. Obviously you don't 'because COD4 works so well'. My experience is that games don't work, don't work well, updates are slow, large, fail a lot, every game has different online setups, some of them crappy, some of them too difficult, the whole system has less features than the 360, is more difficult to use ("there's a new update, go to settings->system settings->system update'??), not integrated with the XMB and so on and so forth... Next thing I know you'll be defending Nintendo for their great online experience...
You've most like already read the topic about GTA IV online issues on the PS3. I rest my case...
You need to change your first line to most people on here (an Xbox based site). I defend it because your experience is way different to mine. How you can make the comment about every game having different online setups when you have only played 3, one of them a launch title is beyond me. fact is you can't justify this from experience of 3 games. I have had no issues (other than with pro Evo 2008 which is a bag of shit on the PS3 and online is worse than offline.) Never had a slow update or a failure, or failed to find someone online to match/play with. Because you don't like the PSN or have had issues with it doesn't mean that is the defacto standard for the system or everyone's experience with it. If you look at either system there are issues that people will have from both sides. The people who have had major downtime with both will speak out aginst them but it doesn't make the systems crap. The biggest voice should be the silent ones who don't post because they are sailing along with either online system without issues.
Oh and yes I have read the issues about GT4 online with the PS3 but as of yet not experienced them. I have no doubt there will be connection issues, just as there have been with XB live (and may still be again). I am also sure just as with XBL that these will get sorted out so don't quote the last line as if XBL has never gone down. If you think that you have severe memory loss.