Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 24, 2008, 12:39:00 PM
Microsoft on GTA IV Leak: 'Need to Look into this Further' Posted by XanTium | April 24 14:03 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| With the leak of the PAL version of GTA IV yesterday and the NTSC/U earlier today, here's what Major Nelson told kotaku.com: Quote
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Post by: echto on April 24, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
lol
Post by: yaazz on April 24, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
Even with the leak, just about every person on earth is going to buy GTA4.
Look at Halo 2 and 3 as an example: Both games were leaked to the internet before their release dates. Both games also shattered sales records!
Hell, the easy solution would be to allow vendors to sell the game now. All the stores would have their copies now.
Post by: lecsiy on April 24, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
QUOTE
A peek at Gamercard aggregator MyGamerCard.com reveals a long list of Xbox 360 users already racking up achievements on Grand Theft Auto IV
Im glad if they're gonna be banned. Those stupid enough to commit piracy, and then rack up achievements while on xbox live, they cant be much loss to the scene or live.
Post by: ka-b00m on April 24, 2008, 01:34:00 PM
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Post by: Sillyboy18 on April 24, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: Martinchris23 on April 24, 2008, 01:37:00 PM
Don't think for a second they'll offset this against sales figures. Of course they care - this is lost revenue to them. They'll ban the consoles and people who want to continue with Xbox Live will be in the position where they'll need to buy another console. Win/win situation for MS, methinks.
Post by: hecz on April 24, 2008, 02:12:00 PM
I think even my neighbor's dog is interested in Gta4
And I dont think the ban its a good idea cuz I worked at Blockbuster and yes they rent the game before its
released.
Leaked games wont sell less just look at what happened to halo 3.
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on April 24, 2008, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: fluc02 on April 24, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Apr 24 2008, 03:37 PM) 
I can see MS getting the ban hammer ready.
Don't think for a second they'll offset this against sales figures. Of course they care - this is lost revenue to them. They'll ban the consoles and people who want to continue with Xbox Live will be in the position where they'll need to buy another console. Win/win situation for MS, methinks.
Edit: I had it totally backwards, wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm an idiot, it's exams leave me alone.
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Post by: gsharpshooter on April 24, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: Storm28 on April 24, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(fluc02 @ Apr 24 2008, 04:34 PM)
As far as I'm aware, they have never banned a console, even when they had clear evidence that a person had a modded console, only the gamertag.
You have it backwords. They ban consoles, not gamertags. The console can't connect to live anymore.
Post by: bucko on April 24, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
Ergh just buy it for christ sake.
Post by: Denders on April 24, 2008, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(fluc02 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:34 PM)
Are you dense? As far as I'm aware, they have never banned a console, even when they had clear evidence that a person had a modded console, only the gamertag. You're telling me that now, when they have evidence that someone might have pirated the game (or just bought it early), they're going to start banning consoles? Microsoft are not idiots, and they probably don't feel like dealing with a class-action lawsuit from people who bought the game early and now have a useless console.
Uhm under wich stone did u sleep the last 10 years? MS NEVER bans gamertags, they always ban consoles from xbox live.
So u can stil use ur gamertag on a ligit xbox console. Cause the console has to be modded or flashed, not the gamertag.
Post by: parat8t9 on April 24, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(fluc02 @ Apr 24 2008, 03:34 PM) 
Are you dense? As far as I'm aware, they have never banned a console, even when they had clear evidence that a person had a modded console, only the gamertag. You're telling me that now, when they have evidence that someone might have pirated the game (or just bought it early), they're going to start banning consoles? Microsoft are not idiots, and they probably don't feel like dealing with a class-action lawsuit from people who bought the game early and now have a useless console.
Uhh don't they ban the console NOT the gamertag? Thats why you can't just sign up for a new account because the console's serial number is banned not the gamertag.
Please tell me if i'm wrong cause i've been banned for over a year now and I was almost positive you would need to buy a new console.
Post by: fluc02 on April 24, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Denders @ Apr 24 2008, 04:40 PM)
Uhm under wich stone did u sleep the last 10 years? MS NEVER bans gamertags, they always ban consoles from xbox live.
So u can stil use ur gamertag on a ligit xbox console. Cause the console has to be modded or flashed, not the gamertag.
Yep, I got it totally wrong and backwards. My brain is exploding from exams.
Post by: Mike4 on April 24, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(fluc02 @ Apr 24 2008, 03:34 PM)
Edit: I had it totally backwards, wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm an idiot, it's exams leave me alone.
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Post by: sabbath_dude on April 24, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: Exobex on April 24, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
Think about it... it looks like GTA4, it plays like GTA4 (at least for now, perhaps there are bits missing) but what if it sets flags in the gamesave or console that are unique to this "leaked release"? Anyone playing this version would HAVE to have a modded console... down comes the ban hammer!
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Post by: 1NightStandard on April 24, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Apr 24 2008, 04:15 PM)
Just a thought... what if it's a deliberately "leaked release", a sort of poisoned GTA4?
Think about it... it looks like GTA4, it plays like GTA4 (at least for now, perhaps there are bits missing) but what if it sets flags in the gamesave or console that are unique to this "leaked release"? Anyone playing this version would HAVE to have a modded console... down comes the ban hammer!
yeah. yeah, that's defiantly it. You win.
Post by: law56ker on April 24, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
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Post by: wutang138 on April 24, 2008, 04:32:00 PM
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Post by: Landopando on April 24, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: sirsmacketh on April 24, 2008, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Landopando @ Apr 24 2008, 06:46 PM)
I'm new to the forum so i don't know if this point has been brought up before. But why ban a paying customer from xboxlive? So he downloaded a pirated copy of a game, so what? He still has to pay for his live. And that is income MS wouldn't get if he were to just cancel his subscription. Better to get something than nothing.
you'll find the admins have no tolerance for piracy here... if you can afford the XBOX LIVE membership, and the 360 console.. you can afford the game either BUY it or RENT IT. Plain and simple. Don't try to justify stealing here - it won't work.
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Post by: Landopando on April 24, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: wutang138 on April 24, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: cory1492 on April 24, 2008, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Landopando @ Apr 24 2008, 04:46 PM)
I'm new to the forum so i don't know if this point has been brought up before. But why ban a paying customer from xboxlive? So he downloaded a pirated copy of a game, so what? He still has to pay for his live. And that is income MS wouldn't get if he were to just cancel his subscription. Better to get something than nothing.
There is a reason why live is pre-paid and they ban the console, not the account. In the least, someone banned fairly (or unfairly, since bans are indisputable and no reason is given) loses essentially either whatever is remaining in their account time/point wise (at least, as far as I am aware of points are non-refundable), or the cost of a new 360 to use the account again. So knowing that tell me, what exactly it is you think they lose under this arrangement?
Post by: wutang138 on April 24, 2008, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: biggnick on April 24, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
As far as the bans on Live, I think anyone smart enough to know what they're doing is going to be safe "almost" no matter what. There is only so much you can do security-wise on a proprietary built system (unless you force everyone with a system to buy new ones or send them in....
). I really do agree with Chance, I can see a lot of this being scare-mongoring partially to sway people not to modify anything, as well as making Rockstar feel more secure from a business aspect.Of course, anyone who screws up is going to get banned...and I say Amen to ANYTHING that brings down ignorance.
Post by: Nutstool on April 24, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
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Post by: kesava108 on April 24, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Nutstool @ Apr 25 2008, 09:46 AM)
Man this is hilarious! All this fuss over piracy of a game that makes it's name off criminal activity! Does anyone see the irony here? I'm pissing my pants right now with laughter! Rockstar wants to moan about piracy of their game? Then stop making games that glorify criminal activities! Twats!
nice one
Post by: majik655 on April 24, 2008, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Landopando @ Apr 24 2008, 03:46 PM)
I'm new to the forum so i don't know if this point has been brought up before. But why ban a paying customer from xboxlive? So he downloaded a pirated copy of a game, so what? He still has to pay for his live. And that is income MS wouldn't get if he were to just cancel his subscription. Better to get something than nothing.
QUOTE(Landopando @ Apr 24 2008, 04:05 PM)
I'm not justifying it. I'm asking why would Microsoft ban someone and lose money? To me I would rather have someone paying me money to play a game that they downloaded than having that same person still playing the game and not paying me anything. Is it the achievement thing that bothers MS and other players?
To answer BOTH of your questions... the reason why they ban the CONSOLE (NOT THE ACCOUNT)
is because they know the CONSOLE has been MODDED or you have played using a HACKED SAVE GAME, which also needs a MODDED CONSOLE...
So they do not BAN the ACCOUNT and lose their money ... they lose the ability to use their MODDED CONSOLE.
M$ does this because they want the experience of online play to be FAIR,
if there is a modded console ... there are ways or may be ways to basically hack a game or game save for so called cheating to happen. Achievement points can be or could then be greatly increased... etc etc..
Also it use to be I THINK that the credit card info are also located on same servers as the games??? again I THINK this is another issue... this was something I heard a long time ago with the original xbox.
So it is basically a security risk...and to save xbox live from people cheating if alot of people were able to cheat xbox live would not be too much fun.
And M$ should not ban for this "leak" because simply there are those that LEGITIMATELY have the game in their hand from rental or online stores.
Post by: elocin671 on April 24, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Landopando on April 24, 2008, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: gabe681 on April 24, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: gli7ch on April 24, 2008, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: SNAAAKE on April 24, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(hecz @ Apr 24 2008, 04:12 PM)
Am I the only human being who doesnt give a damn about this game?
I dont lol..
even though I COULD get it right now if I felt like it
I always wondered how "leaking" works exactly. what..someone that works for the company just decides to release a copy online ?? thats pretty lame..I mean you could lose your job or something..
QUOTE(gli7ch @ Apr 24 2008, 08:22 PM)
MS is going to do worse, everyone who pirated the copy are going to get banned AND a virtual boy
Post by: Woozle on April 24, 2008, 07:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Sillyboy18 @ Apr 24 2008, 12:36 PM)
That be wrong for them to banned people becuase I know for a fact my local blockbuster recieved the game today. There policy is to rent the game or movies to their employee before the released date becuase after the release date employee can't rent the game or movie for a month.
Wow, your BBV actually plays by the rules? I'm impressed.
Post by: clownbow on April 24, 2008, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on April 24, 2008, 06:56:00 PM
QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 PM)
I dont lol..
even though I COULD get it right now if I felt like it
I always wondered how "leaking" works exactly. what..someone that works for the company just decides to release a copy online ?? thats pretty lame..I mean you could lose your job or something..
It doesnt have to be someone that works for the company.
Most likely, it gets sent to some source that reviews games. That source then leaks it.
It gets sent to a Brick and Mortar store such as Best Buy, Circuit City, EBgames, Walmart, etc. The employees see it comes in and decide to buy or steal a copy. Most likely the employees will just buy if the register doesnt put date restrictions on the merchandise.
The employees at a Brick and Mortar store put it on display earlier, customers buy it.
Those are just some examples that wouldn't involve a direct employee of the gaming company.
Post by: jimjom on April 24, 2008, 07:58:00 PM
its scummy and pisses off people. but i paid for the games, they just werent rung up until the release date.
as bong said, there are many logical ways to aqquire a game before its street date.
the 'problem' is not with the consumer, but rather with the retailers and trusted news sources themselves....
Post by: halcyonx12 on April 24, 2008, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: andi_06 on April 24, 2008, 08:04:00 PM
QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Apr 25 2008, 06:17 AM)
I guess I'll be the one to buck the trend here. I really don't give a crap if they pirate it or not. Personally, I'm not effected at all if somebody ganks the game and gets some achievements before the ligit copies are in stores. Big whoop. Odds are that most of them will buy a ligit copy when it releases anyways, most people just wanna play it early. I don't see a problem with that myself. Flame me if you will, but personally I don't give a flaming pile of dog crap if people steal the game. It's not hurting me any, and I seriously doubt that the sales of GTAIV are gonna suffer the tiniest little bit because of the leak.
Oh my mistake, I forgot piracy is ok.
Post by: colt45joe on April 24, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
QUOTE(hecz @ Apr 24 2008, 09:12 PM)
Am I the only human being who doesnt give a damn about this game?
there is just something wrong with you.
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 24, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
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Post by: zae333 on April 24, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
All except for the EXTREMELY TERRIBLE texture pop-ins that occur all over the place. I don't have a HDD so that may be the problem as a couple of my friends have it, the game that is, and they have the same problem. I know if you have a HDD you can choose to do an optional install of some of the game data but without the HDD, driving full speed trying to evade the cops becomes almost impossible. Maybe getting it early at GameStop ended us up with a bad batch...lol...Game still rules though...just drive slower...or get a f---ing HDD.
And I play on live, and I don't do that stupid hide achievements nonsense...screw M$ and R*, I bought it and I am going to play it, online and off. If they have a problem with that then they should take that up with the cats at GS who sold it to us.
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Post by: Elemino on April 24, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
People that dumb deserve what they get. Tuesday you can go out and BUY the game like you're supposed to.
QUOTE(zae333 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:39 PM)
If they have a problem with that then they should take that up with the cats at GS who sold it to us.
They'll be delt with. Retailers are charged a minimum $500 each copy they sell early. That's why MS must 'investigate' the matter first.
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 24, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Elemino @ Apr 25 2008, 05:10 AM)
So... not only does MS know who has the game illegally, but now they have a long list of people with modded and bootleg playing machines. Very smart move.
People that dumb deserve what they get. Tuesday you can go out and BUY the game like you're supposed to.
They'll be delt with. Retailers are charged a minimum $500 each copy they sell early. That's why MS must 'investigate' the matter first.
Only retailers who are "paid off"; most mom & pop shops are exempt (of course, mom & pop shops that carry current gen games are getting more and more scarce.
Post by: gehx on April 24, 2008, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Landopando @ Apr 24 2008, 07:12 PM)
If they ban a modded xbox who is uhh such a tool to just go buy a another system? I would just cancel my subscription and play all my games for free.
ebay comes cheap these days......do the math
Post by: leo5150 on April 24, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
QUOTE(KrS-OnE @ Apr 25 2008, 06:28 AM)
and another thing....
All you have to do is create a new gamer profile that doesn't connect to live and play the game through that account until Tuesday.....
I think that thwarts all plans on busting anyone playing this game early, don'tcha think?
uhhh no (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ever noticed even if youre not connected to live you still get achievements the system records them even offline then when you hit live it uploads em doesnt matter which profile, im not saying they will ban for it but using differnt profile wouldnt work because when you connect to live it gets youre serial number of youre console so if they decided to ban you they just nail that serial number
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Post by: gehx on April 24, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
QUOTE(KrS-OnE @ Apr 25 2008, 12:28 AM)
and another thing....
All you have to do is create a new gamer profile that doesn't connect to live and play the game through that account until Tuesday.....
I think that thwarts all plans on busting anyone playing this game early, don'tcha think?
maybe maybe not, I don't know what and how much data the 360 logs and sends back to MS...it might log dates too, then you're console would be flaged and eventually banned, thus, making it useless for xbl
figure out another way and you might be on to something
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Post by: Blurrz on April 24, 2008, 11:59:00 PM
QUOTE(zae333 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:39 PM)
Got it...Played it...it rules...
All except for the EXTREMELY TERRIBLE texture pop-ins that occur all over the place. I don't have a HDD so that may be the problem as a couple of my friends have it, the game that is, and they have the same problem. I know if you have a HDD you can choose to do an optional install of some of the game data but without the HDD, driving full speed trying to evade the cops becomes almost impossible. Maybe getting it early at GameStop ended us up with a bad batch...lol...Game still rules though...just drive slower...or get a f---ing HDD.
And I play on live, and I don't do that stupid hide achievements nonsense...screw M$ and R*, I bought it and I am going to play it, online and off. If they have a problem with that then they should take that up with the cats at GS who sold it to us.
do you have the 360 or ps3 version? i started playing it and i had no trouble avoiding the cops (they are EVERYWHERE!), and i have the 360 version.
this game is amazing...the cars, driving, pedestrians, are so realistic! the city is incredibly detailed and being from nyc i recognize tons of landmarks and streets. the only negative is that niko walks slow as hell, but maybe he gets faster as the game goes on? i dont think so, so you pretty much have to run (tap a) all the time.
zae333, did you notice how slow niko walks?
Post by: trey85stang on April 24, 2008, 11:57:00 PM
QUOTE(hecz @ Apr 24 2008, 09:12 PM)
Am I the only human being who doesnt give a damn about this game?
I think even my neighbor's dog is interested in Gta4
And I dont think the ban its a good idea cuz I worked at Blockbuster and yes they rent the game before its
released.
Leaked games wont sell less just look at what happened to halo 3.
you're not the only one.. the game is an outdated piece of garbage. GTA3 was good... everything after it has been just the same crap repackaged.
Post by: mafiafan123 on April 25, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
QUOTE(trey85stang @ Apr 24 2008, 11:33 PM)
you're not the only one.. the game is an outdated piece of garbage. GTA3 was good... everything after it has been just the same crap repackaged.
So very true. I wish my xbox wouldnt have been jacked or id be playing mine thanks to haze but thats long past. i never got mine back so i play halo 2 on live via pc
I really wish i could afford another xbox and the first game id buy would be this. But GT3 has been remodeled and reshaped same basicly on gta 2 copyed gta 1 with some extra i think Vice City was the last one i liked I Barfed at San Andres.....Well Anyhow my theroy Buy Legit 
Post by: echto on April 25, 2008, 12:30:00 AM
QUOTE(vgplayer @ Apr 24 2008, 02:48 PM)
MS can't assume that everyone that is playing early is a pirate but I feel like they could put a temporary ban until you present proof of purchase. However this would require Xbox support to be competent. I was getting this on PS3 anyways but my roommates want to play it early however, my 360 is dead ATM(bad flash).
Hmmm... I recall proof of purchase still meant you were a thief in MS eyes. [See un-returned console]
lol
Post by: law56ker on April 25, 2008, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(KrS-OnE @ Apr 24 2008, 10:42 PM)
wow, some of you guys are player haters. Is this NOT the site where my nephew learned how to mod xboxes to play backups? Now you guys are making posts about the "Pirates" that are downloading the game.
Who cares if Rockstar is monitoring the game achievements by date? What the hell are they gonna do? They are making money off a game that glorifies crime. Is this not their intent?They've got pretty big balls if they were to ban someone for playing the game early. If I get my copy early, I'll play it. The rest of you fanboys can kiss my black ass.
The choice of using a mod for illegal means is your nephews choice. A style of a game has nothing to do with, and does not justify downloading an illegal copy. If someone stole something precious to you, I know you would do something about it, or let the law handle it. Your post is full of ignorance, or it is just intended to induce flames.
Post by: luther349 on April 25, 2008, 02:06:00 AM
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Post by: Mad_Gouki on April 25, 2008, 02:09:00 AM
Post by: stezo2k on April 25, 2008, 02:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Nutstool @ Apr 25 2008, 12:46 AM)
Man this is hilarious! All this fuss over piracy of a game that makes it's name off criminal activity! Does anyone see the irony here? I'm pissing my pants right now with laughter! Rockstar wants to moan about piracy of their game? Then stop making games that glorify criminal activities! Twats!
haha thats a good point actually
funny thing is there are a few originals been played on live atm, i mean its out in jersey and i could buy it from work right now if i wanted to (i'd get in trouble for it though)
Post by: law56ker on April 25, 2008, 02:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Nutstool @ Apr 24 2008, 05:46 PM)
Man this is hilarious! All this fuss over piracy of a game that makes it's name off criminal activity! Does anyone see the irony here? I'm pissing my pants right now with laughter! Rockstar wants to moan about piracy of their game? Then stop making games that glorify criminal activities! Twats!
Do you know the difference between a video game and reality? So your trying to justify real life crimes because of a video game?! Maybe you should join Jack Thompson's team. Your the kinda guy Jack Thompson is looking for in his case of banning violent video games.
Post by: XHN_SCRAPY on April 25, 2008, 03:11:00 AM
but thats just me lol.
I would take action lol, those who have played it can't say they haven't lol and that means some mulla for me' lol.
well o well i don't have 360 right now lol a friends kid decided to use it as a play toy...and dropped it from the second story lol. "i played pick up all the pieces for a few hrs lol."
Post by: Heet on April 25, 2008, 03:26:00 AM
Dont worry, mods can yank memberships at any time.
Word to the wise, the ESA is watching this bigtime. Don't be surprised if your ISP cancels your service. Just a heads up.
Post by: XLNC on April 25, 2008, 04:11:00 AM
QUOTE(gehx @ Apr 25 2008, 07:50 AM)
maybe maybe not, I don't know what and how much data the 360 logs and sends back to MS...it might log dates too, then you're console would be flaged and eventually banned, thus, making it useless for xbl
figure out another way and you might be on to something
They won't ban on the basis of you playing the game too early since not everybody sets their date and time, my dates around something like 25th Nov 2005 and I'll be playing the game on the 29th Nov 2005, a whole 3 yrs and 4 months early, would that seem realistic to MS?
Connecting to live is whole different story where the date and time is set automatically, so you may be flagged but I still doubt it.
Post by: Chancer on April 25, 2008, 04:16:00 AM
I have to chuckle at all the "NEW" members who spring up whenever they can promote piracy. The staff here are well aware you are the same morons who have previously been shown the exit door on XS for piracy before. Don't feel you need to give clues such as using the same avatar or anything. It makes it too easy.
The guy who buys the legit copy is not the one who could be banned from live or here.
The guy who is already banned from here, has already bought 2 consoles due to previous bans, is about to be banned again from XS and is about to be banned gain from XBL thinks he is the smart one mouthing off in here about it.
it stands out a mile which one is as thick as a donkeys knob
If you want to brag about your piracy do it elsewhere. this thread already has enough posts garbaged
Post by: zae333 on April 25, 2008, 05:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Blurrz @ Apr 25 2008, 06:59 AM)
do you have the 360 or ps3 version? i started playing it and i had no trouble avoiding the cops (they are EVERYWHERE!), and i have the 360 version.
this game is amazing...the cars, driving, pedestrians, are so realistic! the city is incredibly detailed and being from nyc i recognize tons of landmarks and streets. the only negative is that niko walks slow as hell, but maybe he gets faster as the game goes on? i dont think so, so you pretty much have to run (tap a) all the time.
zae333, did you notice how slow niko walks?
Yes, he walks "Turtle" slow, lol. And what is with this new ability to choose whether or not to kill some of the targets in this game? I wonder if there will be different endings depending on who you decide to kill and who you decide to let live? But yeah, like you said, Niko walks way too slow and you do find yourself tapping the A button all the time. O, and I have the 360 version of the game.
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Post by: zae333 on April 25, 2008, 04:47:00 AM
QUOTE(luther349 @ Apr 25 2008, 09:06 AM)
acully if the leaked copy did have such flags a legit copy would not so if someone got a real disk early that would not mean ban hammer only the poisiond pirate copy's would be effected. acully that would be a great idea to do on the next majer game release and kill off some real pirates not homebrew modders. pirate plus live = way more expensive then buying games new console every time the ban hammer hits. see m$ doesent need to stop piracy they just need to make it expensive.
O.K. let's stop the "leaked copy has flags to...wtf ever" B.S. Do you guys know how idiotic that sounds. I do not condone piracy but let's just say that the leaked copy is a one to one match to my original disc. No flags, no possible way to tell it, the infamous leaked copy, from my purchased original. I backup my own games and I verify the information in my backups is as 100% accurate as my originals. Now enough of this "flags" none sense, sounds like a bunch of people that are just envious of those of us who got it early. What does it really matter anyway......I can tell you 100% there will be no ban for playing this early....period....
Post by: midnightcharger2 on April 25, 2008, 06:12:00 AM
Offer those whom decide to digital dl media a reasonable cut on the price and do away with region protection as it has been a wasted attempt for so long. Multi-format for both pal and ntsc. Bring the gaming commuity into one instead of constantly dividing it (The current way of thinking is so outdated).
Just an opinion
Post by: jas0nuk on April 25, 2008, 06:21:00 AM
Edit: and if people are dumb enough to play on Xbox Live, they deserve to be banned.
This post has been edited by jas0nuk: Apr 25 2008, 01:21 PM
Post by: dcfcforever on April 25, 2008, 06:12:00 AM
QUOTE(jas0nuk @ Apr 25 2008, 01:21 PM)
Edit: and if people are dumb enough to play on Xbox Live, they deserve to be banned.
Exactly what i was gonna post
Post by: megaman22 on April 25, 2008, 06:34:00 AM
QUOTE(XHN_SCRAPY @ Apr 25 2008, 11:11 AM)
i think Microsoft will be taking some kind of LEGAL ACTION against all the gamertags that have been playing it.
but thats just me lol.
I would take action lol, those who have played it can't say they haven't lol and that means some mulla for me' lol.
well o well i don't have 360 right now lol a friends kid decided to use it as a play toy...and dropped it from the second story lol. "i played pick up all the pieces for a few hrs lol."
lol
Post by: pingrr on April 25, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: detroitking02 on April 25, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: Andrew_Roy on April 25, 2008, 09:56:00 AM
QUOTE(nha @ Apr 25 2008, 12:04 PM)
Umm - how democratic is this place? Where's my post gone?? Hmm XBox-scene has become too commercial! Shame...
Why would it be democratic at all?
Post by: walterg74 on April 25, 2008, 10:12:00 AM
QUOTE(jas0nuk @ Apr 25 2008, 09:21 AM)
Sorry, but what the hell is there to look into? This is always going to happen when a game is so huge that copies are shipped out super early.
Edit: and if people are dumb enough to play on Xbox Live, they deserve to be banned.
Uhmm... haven´t you been reading-playing-learning ANYTHING? Even if you DON´T play on live and only offline, the fact that you played plus the achievements is still recorded and sent to live next time you have connection, so people that play OFFLINE are just as dumb as the people that play on live that you are mentioning... they´ll still get detected as early players.
Post by: lostboyz on April 25, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(walterg74 @ Apr 25 2008, 10:48 AM)
Uhmm... haven´t you been reading-playing-learning ANYTHING? Even if you DON´T play on live and only offline, the fact that you played plus the achievements is still recorded and sent to live next time you have connection, so people that play OFFLINE are just as dumb as the people that play on live that you are mentioning... they´ll still get detected as early players.
This logic is flawed, when playing a game offline the date and time of getting an achievement is not recorded for live. The next time you log into live will be when that 'chunk' of achievements will be logged. Games do come out early but 80% of the people saying they got it early legit are lying their asses off.
Post by: jimjom on April 25, 2008, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: Hopeful on April 25, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: OZ313 on April 25, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: law56ker on April 25, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(pingrr @ Apr 25 2008, 09:46 AM)
I think part of the problem is the stupid release date. Stores should be able to sell the game as soon as they get it. There are a lot of people, who if given the option would go down to the store and buy the game legally today. But since they have to wait until tuesday they will just download a pirated version because it is the only way to get the game.
People only option is to download a pirated version cause they have to wait a week or two. Give me a break, since when does that justify stealing.
They ship it out early to help ensure it is available the day of the release. They set a release date to keep continuity and order. If items didn't have a official relase date it would cause chaos and whining.
QUOTE(OZ313 @ Apr 25 2008, 01:55 PM)
The only reason some people are mad because they tried to m0d their xbox 360 and bricked it at least two or three systems......now they come to a hacking site(and sign up) and hate on everyone with these abilities......dont cry.....I messed up 4 console B4 I had it downpacked.....Hacking is a talent not a crime!
What?
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 25, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(law56ker @ Apr 25 2008, 09:45 PM)
They ship it out early to help ensure it is available the day of the release. They set a release date to keep continuity and order. If items didn't have a official relase date it would cause chaos and whining.
What?
Almost. They have a street date to eliminate stores from competing against one another with the product. By practically forcing retailers to sell at $59.99 and releasing on a certain day, you don't have a store with a better deal selling out and waiting for them to get more in. If store A runs out, store B has it. If store A had it for $49.99 and ran out, you probably would rather wait for store A to get more in if store B still sold for $59.99.
Post by: gcskate27 on April 25, 2008, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(OZ313 @ Apr 25 2008, 02:55 PM)
The only reason some people are mad because they tried to m0d their xbox 360 and bricked it at least two or three systems......now they come to a hacking site(and sign up) and hate on everyone with these abilities......dont cry.....I messed up 4 console B4 I had it downpacked.....Hacking is a talent not a crime!
wow, i must be super badass because ive never bricked a console... that, or i can read tutorials and follow instructions... hardly 'hacking' is it?
Post by: i800phyco on April 25, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(OZ313 @ Apr 25 2008, 08:55 PM)
The only reason some people are mad because they tried to m0d their xbox 360 and bricked it at least two or three systems......now they come to a hacking site(and sign up) and hate on everyone with these abilities......dont cry.....I messed up 4 console B4 I had it downpacked.....Hacking is a talent not a crime!
Yeah that talent thing you mention, If you bricked four before you got it right, You haven't got it.
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on April 25, 2008, 03:03:00 PM
QUOTE(pingrr @ Apr 25 2008, 10:46 AM)
I think part of the problem is the stupid release date. Stores should be able to sell the game as soon as they get it. There are a lot of people, who if given the option would go down to the store and buy the game legally today. But since they have to wait until tuesday they will just download a pirated version because it is the only way to get the game.
+1
Post by: wassco on April 25, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
Im a 360 owner gone to the dark side
, and i dont really see me getten the 360 verion of gta4, the ps3 version holds my interest more 
plus....free online play ..... with the money i saved not re-subscribing to live, i bought a ps3
Post by: vengeancegoon on April 25, 2008, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(wassco @ Apr 25 2008, 11:08 PM)
plus....free online play ..... with the money i saved not re-subscribing to live, i bought a ps3
So you haven't subscribed to live in 10 years? I think you lie, you lie bad.
Post by: nha on April 25, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Andrew_Roy @ Apr 25 2008, 05:32 PM)
Why would it be democratic at all?
Democracy = freedom of speech... my post was removed for no apparent reason - enough said!
Post by: chorizo1 on April 25, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(nha @ Apr 25 2008, 06:22 PM)
Democracy = freedom of speech... my post was removed for no apparent reason - enough said!
straight from the RULES linked to just about every Forum.
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Free Speech blah blah blah: XS is not concerned about what is and isnt allowed on the internet, or what is or isnt allowed to be said or typed or linked to in your home country where you sit and read this. Posting policy is dictated by the rules listed here and other documents on XS. Abide by them or leave. XS is an Xbox information archive but it doesnt mean its open season for free speech or people who tend to abuse it.
also:
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Dude.. Everyone pirates and downloads.. so
Not everyone is a pirate. Just because people in your own circle do doesnt mean everyone does. Sweeping generalizations that everyone pirates is ignorant to say the least. Regardless if you are going to make threads or arguments like these on XS you will find your stay a short one. Also if we find that the wording of your post implies or outright endorses, promotes and testifies to piracy expect the thread to be closed.
Not everyone is a pirate. Just because people in your own circle do doesnt mean everyone does. Sweeping generalizations that everyone pirates is ignorant to say the least. Regardless if you are going to make threads or arguments like these on XS you will find your stay a short one. Also if we find that the wording of your post implies or outright endorses, promotes and testifies to piracy expect the thread to be closed.
Post by: i800phyco on April 25, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(nha @ Apr 26 2008, 12:22 AM)
Democracy = freedom of speech... my post was removed for no apparent reason - enough said!
You do realize that freedom of speech does not apply to a private club right?
This site is a private member's only club (posting anyways) hence they have no obligation to allow you speak your mind, And beyond that freedom of speech is dead now, the politically correct left and right have seen to that.
Post by: scuba156 on April 25, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
QUOTE(leo5150 @ Apr 26 2008, 11:10 AM)
uhh youre logic is flawed dont believe me?? 100% proof you cant deny go play a game offline get a achievement wait a day or 2 connect to live then go to xbox.com sign in and look or even on the 360 itself you will see the date for the achievement was the day you got it offline
must be your special xbox then. every acheivement i have gotten offline has no date next to it.
the pirates are really showing there faces in this thread arnt they? quite a few bans going round.
quite frankly, they should be banned. im sure they would be trying to track posts from topics like these to people admitting to pirating the game, and matching the IP addresses to the IP address of an xbox that has played the game early. theres no justification to piracy, and it is breaking the LIVE TOS so they have every right to ban you. basically there is no if's or but's about it. if they catch you, you can bet your life that you will be banned.
i also suspect a few ISP's will be notified about people admitting to piracy in this thread. ISP's are already starting to monitor digital downloads through torrents and p2p services here in Australia, and if they log any illegal activity, you will get an immediate disconnection from the ISP's services, along with a bad reference to any other ISP you try to join. personally i think its great and will stop crap like piracy on the internet.
Post by: Elemino on April 25, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
QUOTE(justicedreadz @ Apr 25 2008, 12:43 PM)
I love it when the self righteous people say, "Ban the pirates!" Ok guys, keep it real. We modded our systems to play backup copies of games we own and not pirated games. OK, then I'm stupid. I've seen guys with 70-80 games under their belt and they have like hardly any achievements. Let me guess, they bought the game "legitimately" and then backed it up, then only to not play it. Spare me. I'm not condoning piracy at all. Just don't throw stones fellow glass house dwellers.
Post by: jimjom on April 25, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
I wasnt able to bring home my whole collectors, but my homies let me take the disc! UBER!!!
The dream is a reality. Been playing for hours now. I've already gotten two achievements, was scared to go online. But everyone around me is telling me to screw my dick on.
Post by: scuba156 on April 26, 2008, 10:16:00 AM
if the xbox did stamp offline acheivements with a date, then they could be all over the place. you could set the date to the 20th of april, 2099, and then it would have to stamp the aceivement with that time. but due to that exact reason, MS decided not to date stamp offline acheivements. when ever you connect to live, the console receives the server time and adjusts it accordingly to your timezone settings, so the date and time is always correct
Post by: lostboyz on April 26, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
We shall see
Post by: FoxForceFive on April 26, 2008, 10:56:00 AM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Apr 26 2008, 06:04 PM)
Though you could still get screwed by logging on early tues with 200 gamer points already from offline
We shall see
It's highly unlikely, seeing as so many have leaked through stores.
I know two people who work in a large UK store who simply pre-ordered, opened the case, taken home the disc & will scan & pay for the game using the case on Tuesday.
That will have happened all over the UK, US & wherever it's sold.
Post by: walterg74 on April 26, 2008, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Apr 26 2008, 12:06 AM)
must be your special xbox then. every acheivement i have gotten offline has no date next to it.
the pirates are really showing there faces in this thread arnt they? quite a few bans going round.
Uhm... how does telling you it HAS a date showe he's a pirate? If anything it's the opposite, since he'ss telling you WILL be detected due to there being a date...
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Apr 26 2008, 12:06 AM)
quite frankly, they should be banned. im sure they would be trying to track posts from topics like these to people admitting to pirating the game, and matching the IP addresses to the IP address of an xbox that has played the game early. theres no justification to piracy, and it is breaking the LIVE TOS so they have every right to ban you. basically there is no if's or but's about it. if they catch you, you can bet your life that you will be banned.
Yeah that's a great idea, cause everyone has the same IP address on their xbox than the one on the computer from which they are at any given time posting comments... Oh and it never changes too.. You should look into some basic networking info dude...
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Apr 26 2008, 12:06 AM)
i also suspect a few ISP's will be notified about people admitting to piracy in this thread. ISP's are already starting to monitor digital downloads through torrents and p2p services here in Australia, and if they log any illegal activity, you will get an immediate disconnection from the ISP's services, along with a bad reference to any other ISP you try to join. personally i think its great and will stop crap like piracy on the internet.
Yeah.. that's it.. someone's gonna analyze all the posts and then track down all those user's sources, to find out their ISP, and then "report them" to "a few" ISPs... I'm sure we'll see the end of it all real soon.... After all, it's only been what, aroud 25 years since we have pirated games?
What really amazes me is the "enthusiasm" with wich some people support "legality" on one side and others "piracy" on the other...
Even being against it, and preferring originals, I really think that everyone should realize that on matter how many posts you can put, it's not goig to go away... there will always be those who get illegal games, and those who don't that's just people's nature, just as there are those who steal and those who don't. With that same criteria, there are many who who never pirate a game ,and yet have no problem doing drugs... (yeah even "harmless" ones). No one is perfect in all aspects, so what I mean is you should really look at yourself before judging others, and even if we want to judge them anyway, in the end it's useless, so why waste time with them instead of concentrating on talking aout the good things tha XS is really for??
Just my 2 cents....
Post by: Mike4 on April 26, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Elemino @ Apr 25 2008, 11:06 PM)
I didn't mod my 360. There's no reason to do so unless I would want to play pirated games... I do not.
QUOTE(Elemino @ Apr 25 2008, 11:06 PM)
...to play my old nintendo and super nintendo games on my tv once again.
Unless you can plug in your old NES and SNES cartridges into your xbox, I'm missing something.
Post by: 8800gtscool on April 26, 2008, 12:57:00 PM
So I really think everyone should clam down. Also 99% of people who will pirate it will buy the game.
Post by: Chancer on April 26, 2008, 01:45:00 PM
QUOTE(8800gtscool @ Apr 26 2008, 08:33 PM)
Also 99% of people who will pirate it will buy the game.
Of course they will
Wait I just saw a pig fly past my window.
Post by: jimjom on April 26, 2008, 02:02:00 PM
99%?! Right.....
Whoa, Chancer, I think I just saw a pig fly past too! What the hell is going on?
Post by: grim_d on April 26, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: africamagical on April 26, 2008, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: sofa king dumb on April 26, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Apr 24 2008, 10:15 PM)
Just a thought... what if it's a deliberately "leaked release", a sort of poisoned GTA4?
Think about it... it looks like GTA4, it plays like GTA4 (at least for now, perhaps there are bits missing) but what if it sets flags in the gamesave or console that are unique to this "leaked release"? Anyone playing this version would HAVE to have a modded console... down comes the ban hammer!
they did this with COD4, or well a non-retail verson got leaked first...
Post by: Elemino on April 26, 2008, 11:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Mike4 @ Apr 26 2008, 01:09 PM)
Unless you can plug in your old NES and SNES cartridges into your xbox, I'm missing something.
No... It's because I don't feel like pulling out the old NES and SNES to play my old games. Oh what's that you say?
QUOTE(Mike4 @ Apr 26 2008, 01:09 PM)
Yes I'm an @ssho!e, I got no life and I wanted to make you feel like a PIRATE like me. Damn. I guess when you already own the games you're NOT A PIRATE.
Don't say sh!t to me unless it's an educated response.
Post by: clownbow on April 26, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
QUOTE(zae333 @ Apr 25 2008, 04:39 AM)
Got it...Played it...it rules...
All except for the EXTREMELY TERRIBLE texture pop-ins that occur all over the place. I don't have a HDD so that may be the problem as a couple of my friends have it,
Post by: DaShiZNiT on April 27, 2008, 12:54:00 AM
Post by: jimjom on April 27, 2008, 02:38:00 AM
retail. ixtreme sammy.
Post by: Elemino on April 27, 2008, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(law56ker @ Apr 27 2008, 12:19 AM)
Oh wow a picture your 6 nes games has EVERYONE convinced that's ALL you've ever put on the emulators on your modded xbox. That picture holds little value. You're not fooling anyone.
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on April 27, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: law56ker on April 27, 2008, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Apr 27 2008, 10:03 AM)
Why does everyone have to act like such douchebags to each other? Good grief it's like a bunch of kindergarteners fighting over a crayon in here! It's like freaking everybody has some sortof fetish with pointing out pirates. "Oh...oh...P1R4T3!!!11!11 OH OH OH P1R4T3!!!1!!!1!!111 *squirt*" Put the paper towels away and just mind your own business.
Well if you think it's so important that someone doesn't express their viewpoint than why are you subjecting others to yours?
Post by: BoNg420 on April 27, 2008, 11:42:00 AM
**Closed**