Post by: RadATI on March 28, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
Better than Killzone
edit: this is On Xbox 360 BTW (An upcoming game)
Post by: griffin XXI on March 28, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: jimjom on March 28, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on March 28, 2006, 11:12:00 AM
seriously though many fans here have been oogling over pics like these for almost a year now. there are newer and better looking pics out.
also this belongs in the game section so it will probably be moved
Post by: ikecomp on March 28, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: wasting on March 28, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: RadATI on March 28, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: griffin XXI on March 28, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 28, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Mar 28 2006, 01:19 PM) 
...also this belongs in the game section so it will probably be moved
yup...
Post by: KAGE360 on March 28, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(griffin XXI @ Mar 28 2006, 03:15 PM)
Wow..there are alot of cocks here.
no cocks here nope, i do see some chickens around though
awful jokes aside i think the message were just trying to say is that this is old news and that you guys are unfortunatly in the dark on some things.
Post by: griffin XXI on March 28, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Mar 28 2006, 04:21 PM)
no cocks here nope, i do see some chickens around though
awful jokes aside i think the message were just trying to say is that this is old news and that you guys are unfortunatly in the dark on some things.
great joke Funny thing is, the way I see it, if I'm in the dark on a few things or even a lot of things that you might find here, I truly thank my lucky stars, cause I know that however big a nerd I think I am, there are truly bigger ones here, that don't see the light of day. Thank God I have a life outside of my cubicle at work!! In the dark here, but in the light in the real world..OHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Post by: IllusiveX on March 28, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(wasting @ Mar 28 2006, 08:00 PM)
Did anyone here think Killzone was real in the first place?
HAHA never thought killzone was real ingame
Post by: miggidy on March 28, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
Just wait till you see those pics in motion, you're going to pass out
Just do a quick search....
Aside from Sony groupies and the occasional weak minded person,
no one else believed the KZ2 trailer was real time.
A better game for comparison would be Metal Gear Solid 4.
Personally, Gears of War still looks better than what we've seen from that game....
Post by: CattyKid on March 28, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Link
Post by: RadATI on March 28, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(CattyKid @ Mar 28 2006, 08:44 PM)
Oh, Jesus, it just keeps gettin' better and better
Post by: zikronix on March 28, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: RadATI on March 28, 2006, 08:43:00 PM
http://download.MS.c...8325-4344-addd-
WRONG LINK USE THIS ONE (below)
http://download.MS.c.....MB LOWRES.wmv
Post by: CAjr45 on March 28, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
http://download.MS.c.....MB LOWRES.wmv
edit- forget it, it keeps abbreviating MS just replace MS with the whole name
Post by: RadATI on March 28, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
QUOTE(CAjr45 @ Mar 28 2006, 11:12 PM)
jesus rad
gee...
sorry
Post by: CAjr45 on March 28, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE
gee... sorry
lol ... apology ... NOT ACCEPTED
lol j/k
Post by: Marrvia on March 28, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: CAjr45 on March 28, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Marrvia @ Mar 28 2006, 10:46 PM)
I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that I think Killzone 2 actually does look better than this. Quite a bit actually. Sony did show a lot of PS3 footage at last e3, and was pretty adament about it being all real time. Although I didn't believe it at first, you look a game like Fight Night Round 3, when they showed the footage of it for PS3, I thought there is no way that was real, but the 360 version came out, and it looks very similar to what they showed for PS3. And keep in mind, 360 has only been out a few months, so the Killzone 2 footage more and more believable to me especially if it's not coming out until probably late next year or 2008. I have High-def movie trailer of Gears of War that I downloaded late last year, and it does look fantastic...but... Just go and watch that Killzone 2 footage again. Look at the character movements and facial expressions, etc. I have yet to see that footage in HD, but I imagine it would look 5x as good.
any one ever notice that the game were never played on the actual ps3 console ???
sony always ended up using like 5 million dollar computers??? all in all i'll beleive Sony when the ps3 console is actually turned on for once
Post by: MaulerX on March 29, 2006, 02:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Marrvia @ Mar 28 2006, 11:46 PM)
I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that I think Killzone 2 actually does look better than this. Quite a bit actually. Sony did show a lot of PS3 footage at last e3, and was pretty adament about it being all real time. Although I didn't believe it at first, you look a game like Fight Night Round 3, when they showed the footage of it for PS3, I thought there is no way that was real, but the 360 version came out, and it looks very similar to what they showed for PS3. And keep in mind, 360 has only been out a few months, so the Killzone 2 footage more and more believable to me especially if it's not coming out until probably late next year or 2008. I have High-def movie trailer of Gears of War that I downloaded late last year, and it does look fantastic...but... Just go and watch that Killzone 2 footage again. Look at the character movements and facial expressions, etc. I have yet to see that footage in HD, but I imagine it would look 5x as good.
If I'm not mistaken even the developers admitted that the KZ2 video was just a concept on what they were aiming for. In other words, not real.
Post by: redwolf on March 29, 2006, 03:58:00 AM
oh how many time we discussed about Killzone.... not just here, but EVERY fucking gaming forums/site
Post by: Ozy on March 29, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(wasting @ Mar 28 2006, 08:00 PM)
Did anyone here think Killzone was real in the first place?
I thought it was real on the day it was shown, lol. Then I found out it wasn't and now don't believe anything sony say.
Post by: KAGE360 on March 29, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(griffin XXI @ Mar 28 2006, 05:32 PM)
great joke Funny thing is, the way I see it, if I'm in the dark on a few things or even a lot of things that you might find here, I truly thank my lucky stars, cause I know that however big a nerd I think I am, there are truly bigger ones here, that don't see the light of day. Thank God I have a life outside of my cubicle at work!! In the dark here, but in the light in the real world..OHHHHHHHHHHHH! my oh my arent we sensetive? if you look around you would realize that the majority of us live very normal lives. other then a couple hours a day of gaming (if that) i enjoy my free time with friends and loved ones, which involves seeing the light of day. we may all be nerds here but not all of us get offensive when were corrected.
QUOTE(Marrvia @ Mar 28 2006, 11:46 PM)
I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that I think Killzone 2 actually does look better than this. Quite a bit actually. Sony did show a lot of PS3 footage at last e3, and was pretty adament about it being all real time. Although I didn't believe it at first, you look a game like Fight Night Round 3, when they showed the footage of it for PS3, I thought there is no way that was real, but the 360 version came out, and it looks very similar to what they showed for PS3. And keep in mind, 360 has only been out a few months, so the Killzone 2 footage more and more believable to me especially if it's not coming out until probably late next year or 2008. I have High-def movie trailer of Gears of War that I downloaded late last year, and it does look fantastic...but... Just go and watch that Killzone 2 footage again. Look at the character movements and facial expressions, etc. I have yet to see that footage in HD, but I imagine it would look 5x as good.
talk about being left in the dark
there is a HUGE difference between the FNR3 tech demo and the prerendered video of killzone. go ahead and live in your dreamworld, maybe youll be smacked back into reality when the ps3 finally hits. oh and by the way it was pre-rendered, get that? not real time, not gameplay, and nothing less then what i would expect from sony.
Post by: griffin XXI on March 29, 2006, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Mar 29 2006, 09:03 AM)
my oh my arent we sensetive? if you look around you would realize that the majority of us live very normal lives. other then a couple hours a day of gaming (if that) i enjoy my free time with friends and loved ones, which involves seeing the light of day. we may all be nerds here but not all of us get offensive when were corrected.
talk about being left in the dark
there is a HUGE difference between the FNR3 tech demo and the prerendered video of killzone. go ahead and live in your dreamworld, maybe youll be smacked back into reality when the ps3 finally hits. oh and by the way it was pre-rendered, get that? not real time, not gameplay, and nothing less then what i would expect from sony.
Right..do you need a hug KAGE? I can look around and TELL people live normal lives? Right..What am I, all seeing all knowing? The point is you can't tell, and very likely many people here don't have lives outside the 12 inches between their faces and computer screens. Many people also probably do. Those that don't have lives should gives those of us that do a break, when you guys make your snide comments, on how we SHOULD have known that, or duh THAT was already posted. Please, you guys really act so pretentious with your answers, just lighten up, get off your high horse and act like you have some humanity.
The screens look kick ass, and the 360 kicks ass. Lets hope the game does as well. Please don't screw it up!!
The screens look kick ass and so does the 360. Lets hope the game does as well!!
Post by: metaldevil on March 29, 2006, 11:22:00 AM
QUOTE(griffin XXI @ Mar 29 2006, 11:44 AM)
Those that don't have lives should gives those of us that do a break, when you guys make your snide comments, on how we SHOULD have known that, or duh THAT was already posted. Please, you guys really act so pretentious with your answers, just lighten up, get off your high horse and act like you have some humanity.
Like I said before, man:QUOTE(metaldevil @ Mar 28 2006, 05:36 PM)
No one meant to sound malicious so there's no need for anyone to get their feathers ruffled.
Some of us were just goofin' on the ones that hadn't known the news of this topic before. There's a huge difference between jokes and malice. There's no need to lash out with your "I have a life; you guys that hurt my feelings must not have lives" attitude. If you re-read the thread from the beginning, griffin, you'll notice that it was your remark of "there are alot of cocks here" that contained the first instance of hostility. If anyone should accept responsibility for starting trouble in this thread, it's you.
Consider this triviality over and done with. Move on with your lives. No one needs to keep this foolishness going. Nothin' more to see here, folks.
Everyone have a
(non-alcoholic for you minors 
) , and enjoy your day. 
Post by: redwolf on March 29, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
remember this?
Post by: RadATI on March 29, 2006, 04:32:00 PM
QUOTE(redwolf @ Mar 29 2006, 06:20 PM)
LMFAO!
DREAM ON SONY, DREAM ON...
Post by: Marrvia on March 29, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Mar 29 2006, 01:17 AM)
If I'm not mistaken even the developers admitted that the KZ2 video was just a concept on what they were aiming for. In other words, not real.
Okay, if that's true, then I am mistaken. I never heard anything about developers saying if was pre-rendered. But I remember watching E3 coverage on G4 last year, and they brought in a Sony spokesman, and he said it was completely in real time, and that everything Sony showed was in real time. And I can honestly believe that, because incase you didn't notice, games are starting the make huge leaps in realism already, and this next generation just started. I have no doubt that within next couple of years, games are going to look more and more amazing.
Regardless, what I see in that Killzone 2 video looks better than what I have seen for Gears of War. Sorry, but I am just being honest, I am no Sony or MS Fanboy or anything. I own all of the systems, and I play them all equally. If Sony is lieing about it being real time, then they are lieing, and that is not what the game looks like, and I will have to wait and see what Killzone 2 is going to look like. But it could actually look better than what they showed, or worse, who knows for sure? I know nobody here knows though, only the developers do. I think it is foolish to believe that games are not going to be looking like that in the next couple of years, though. Have you seen Crysis? That comes out early next year. And it only gets better from there.
Post by: Master X on March 29, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Marrvia @ Mar 29 2006, 04:52 PM)
Okay, if that's true, than I am mistaken. I never heard anything about developers saying if was pre-rendered. But I remember watching E3 coverage on G4 last year, and they brought in a Sony spokesman, and he said it was completely in real time, and that everything Sony showed was in real time. And I can honestly believe that, because incase you didn't notice, games are starting the make huge leaps in realism already, and this next generation just started. I know no doubt that then next couple of years are going to get more and more amazing.
Regardless, what I see in that Killzone 2 video looks better than what I have seen for Gears of War. Sorry, but I am just being honest, I am no Sony or MS Fanboy or anything. I own all of the systems, and I play them all equally. If Sony is lieing about it being real time, then they are lieing, and that is not what the game looks like, and I will have to wait and see what Killzone 2 is going to look like but I could actually look better than what they showed, or worse, who knows for sure? I know nobody here knows though, only the developers do. I think it is foolish to believe that games are not going to be looking like that in the next couple of years. Have you seen Crysis? That comes out early next year. It only gets better from there.
CGI BS that is not going to happen
Post by: Marrvia on March 29, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Master X @ Mar 29 2006, 04:58 PM)
CGI BS that is not going to happen
Now why do you say that? Honestly, is it that unbelievable? If I was living in the early 90's and playing Super Mario World, I wouldn't think that Super Mario 64 could be happen. But it has happened. All you have to do is keep an open mind.
Post by: Marrvia on March 29, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
QUOTE(handles25 @ Mar 29 2006, 05:21 PM)
The Sony spokesman lied. G4 is not a good source for information. The Killzone demo was video nothing more. I don't mean to be harsh here but its because of people like you game companies show FMV in commercials and not gameplay. Its time for all of us to demand better.
Don't believe the hype.
PS3 might one day acheive results like that (I personally doubt it) but if it does so will 360. Were not trying to shit on your cornflakes were just sick of being misled and flatout lied to. Before playing devils advocate you might want to do a little research to see if its been proven or debunked.
Okay man, I did a little research. Here's what I found after looking at several major game sites regarding Killzone. This is the closest thing I could see to whether or not the developers said it was CG or Realtime. Quote from 1up.com a couple months ago(one of the newest articles about Killzone I could find). "The development team hasn't specifically stated the video shown was all real-time". Aside from that, I read on Gamespot that some dude on a eurogamer forums said that Axis Animation said they made the e3 demo and they it was completely CG. THAT MUST CONFIRM IT! Because we all know that everything said on a forum by any random person claiming the company said it MUST be real.
A lead developer did say that it was a "representation" of what they were making, but never said it was CG, that is the closest thing to what you say, but that doesn't really mean anything. Please show me your research saying that the developers said specifically that it was CG, not real time, and the article where it says that the Sony spokesman lied. If you can show it to me, I will know that it is not realtime. Otherwise, I believe Sony, because I believe it is achievable in the near future.Regardless of if the Killzone trailer is real or not, that is not the point. I don't care if it's on Xbox 360 or PS3, it makes no difference. CG or not, that trailer looks better than anything I've seen from Gears of War(which looks fantastic). That's the bottom line. The way you say "PS3 might one day acheive results like that (I personally doubt it) but if it does so will 360", it seems like you think I am almost trying to bash 360 when I say Killzone looks better than Gears of War. As if I am saying the 360 can't handle game like that but PS3 can. NO. I don't give a damn if Killzone 2 is on TurboGraphix 16, it looks better. Period. "And You Thought Killzone 2 Was Good?!" Damn Right.
Post by: waltlove on March 30, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on March 30, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(waltlove @ Mar 30 2006, 08:43 PM)
I have a question... So if These up coming games are supposed to look so good... why is there so much lag in the ones that are even half the quality? ex. Quake 4. Quake 4 could have been the best looking game on Xbox if they would have used the PC models and environments. I'm not sure but just curious to see if it will get any better then Ghost Recon... The trend with PC games is more and more powerful card to support the new engines... maybe I'm missing something and I do realize that the xbox has the power but just can't understand why I get lag and low frame rates with just average graphics in games like Quake 4.
Cause of bad optimizations.......Quake 4 is actually a 'direct port' instead of a fully optimized re working of the game. Think about it, why does quake 3 (homebrew) run so badly on the xbox while Doom 3 run so well in comparison? Doom 3 is fully optimized for the box. Also how can you expect devs to fully understand hardware on their first game or in just a few months? Experience is the best teacher! Im surprise GRAW looks so good for 1st generation game.
Post by: RadATI on March 30, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Mar 30 2006, 03:20 PM)
Cause of bad optimizations.......Quake 4 is actually a 'direct port' instead of a fully optimized re working of the game. Think about it, why does quake 3 (homebrew) run so badly on the xbox while Doom 3 run so well in comparison? Doom 3 is fully optimized for the box. Also how can you expect devs to fully understand hardware on their first game or in just a few months? Experience is the best teacher! Im surprise GRAW looks so good for 1st generation game.
I agree. The Xbox 360 would run Quake 4 MUCH better if the game was "fully optimized" for the console. A poorly done revision of a PC game would require the Xbox 360 to do 1.5 to 2 times more work.
Post by: Master X on March 30, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Marrvia @ Mar 29 2006, 06:41 PM)
Okay man, I did a little research. Here's what I found after looking at several major game sites regarding Killzone. This is the closest thing I could see to whether or not the developers said it was CG or Realtime. Quote from 1up.com a couple months ago(one of the newest articles about Killzone I could find). "The development team hasn't specifically stated the video shown was all real-time". Aside from that, I read on Gamespot that some dude on a eurogamer forums said that Axis Animation said they made the e3 demo and they it was completely CG. THAT MUST CONFIRM IT! Because we all know that everything said on a forum by any random person claiming the company said it MUST be real.
A lead developer did say that it was a "representation" of what they were making, but never said it was CG, that is the closest thing to what you say, but that doesn't really mean anything. Please show me your research saying that the developers said specifically that it was CG, not real time, and the article where it says that the Sony spokesman lied. If you can show it to me, I will know that it is not realtime. Otherwise, I believe Sony, because I believe it is achievable in the near future.Regardless of if the Killzone trailer is real or not, that is not the point. I don't care if it's on Xbox 360 or PS3, it makes no difference. CG or not, that trailer looks better than anything I've seen from Gears of War(which looks fantastic). That's the bottom line. The way you say "PS3 might one day acheive results like that (I personally doubt it) but if it does so will 360", it seems like you think I am almost trying to bash 360 when I say Killzone looks better than Gears of War. As if I am saying the 360 can't handle game like that but PS3 can. NO. I don't give a damn if Killzone 2 is on TurboGraphix 16, it looks better. Period. "And You Thought Killzone 2 Was Good?!" Damn Right.
You just eat what the damn shepard feeds you....BS. You need to use your head and think for yourself. Why would you believe Sony after all the bullshit they have told us? I don't really care what you think but you can dream on. Yes games can look like that later on in this generation but for that to be in real time at the time that is was made is almost impossible. No game has ever had graphics like that.
Post by: metaldevil on March 30, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: Master X on March 30, 2006, 11:11:00 PM
