Post by: Infamous_One on September 25, 2005, 11:39:00 PM
Now thats how fucking Next Gen Games suppose to look , yeah!
Post by: chilin_dude on September 26, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: corridon on September 26, 2005, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: daddy69 on September 26, 2005, 01:06:00 AM
Post by: Pen15 on September 26, 2005, 01:10:00 AM
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Looks awesome, where did you find those man?
just a wild guess.... but maybe xboxcore.com?????
Post by: Master X on September 26, 2005, 01:24:00 AM
Post by: daddy69 on September 26, 2005, 01:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Pen15 @ Sep 26 2005, 09:21 AM)
just a wild guess.... but maybe xboxcore.com?????
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Heet on September 26, 2005, 04:02:00 AM
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Yup, now thats what i was expecting with this system. Just saw the perfect dark videos......NEXT. Just hope it doesnt take 2 years to play a game like Forza 2.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 26, 2005, 04:27:00 AM
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Theres no damn way those are real in-game screen shots. They look wayyyyyyyyyyyy to real/good. Just look at the damn tire threads! This looks miles better then anything currently displayed on next-gen consoles.
Hopefully i'll eat my words on this one............
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Snake_Eye on September 26, 2005, 04:42:00 AM
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WOW those are probley realy i mean forza was by far the best looking game on the xbox far better then most other and forza was just released its perrty fast they already have screens of next game
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: crobar on September 26, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
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if you really look tho...
its not too far off from what were already seeing from pgr
mabe a better model
but they nailed the lighting and aa in this
forza is a M$ game and yeah you could say the same about gotham but forza is closer to M$ and no doubt will get more attention.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
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that is only a still shot we need to see in game footage before going bonkers over this even tho thats what i expect from next gen....i believe the 360 can generate the realism...in those pics.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
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wedding shirt dont wet your pants....lol..do you really think gran turismo will even get close to this on ps3...i think not
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: sn4k13s on September 26, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
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be-a-utifull
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
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Umm why don't you think GT on PS3 would even get close? As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them. Nvidia, on the flipside, already has SM 3.0 and has for two generations of their GFX chips. They also already have HDR. Since, like you said, its just lighting effects, I think the Nvidia lighting effects will be miles ahead of anything that an ATI chip can do.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
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Post by: Heet on September 26, 2005, 04:02:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 26, 2005, 04:27:00 AM
Hopefully i'll eat my words on this one............
Post by: Snake_Eye on September 26, 2005, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: crobar on September 26, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
its not too far off from what were already seeing from pgr
mabe a better model
but they nailed the lighting and aa in this
forza is a M$ game and yeah you could say the same about gotham but forza is closer to M$ and no doubt will get more attention.
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
wedding shirt dont wet your pants....lol..do you really think gran turismo will even get close to this on ps3...i think not
Post by: sn4k13s on September 26, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(hugoboss1 @ Sep 26 2005, 01:11 PM)
the lighting affects make it look real i dont see why it wouldnt be possible to add this in real time...this looks like that post of a city and a pontiac gto can anyone post it to compare the pics...i think those grahpics are around the corner..
wedding shirt dont wet your pants....lol..do you really think gran turismo will even get close to this on ps3...i think not
wedding shirt dont wet your pants....lol..do you really think gran turismo will even get close to this on ps3...i think not
Umm why don't you think GT on PS3 would even get close? As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them. Nvidia, on the flipside, already has SM 3.0 and has for two generations of their GFX chips. They also already have HDR. Since, like you said, its just lighting effects, I think the Nvidia lighting effects will be miles ahead of anything that an ATI chip can do.
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 26 2005, 01:47 PM)
Umm why don't you think GT on PS3 would even get close? As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them. Nvidia, on the flipside, already has SM 3.0 and has for two generations of their GFX chips. They also already have HDR. Since, like you said, its just lighting effects, I think the Nvidia lighting effects will be miles ahead of anything that an ATI chip can do.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
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unreal blasphemer!
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
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Nvidia has always had much better shadowing. They have also always had better mapping. ATI only once, yes only once, made a board that had faster shaders (and only shaders) than a Nvidia counterpart. That was the r300 aka 9700pro. This chip is also known as the chip that ATI did not design.
All I am saying, is that there is no doubt in my mind that the Nvidia RSX will have much better shaders. Unified shaders are only faster in theory, we will see if it is faster in real life after about a year of the console release. Based on the Xbox alone, Nvidia is the winner in my book. The effects that the xbox has are lightyears ahead of the PS2 and the Gamecube. All because of its GFX chip.
And deftech, the unreal engines are sweet, but engine alone doesnt make for a good game, I learned that one with DOOM3.
hugoboss1, yeah GT4 was crap compared to Forza, so I see where your line of thought was
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
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Unreal for the win!!
r500 is king
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
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I also hate quake, all of them. I take back what I said. Unreal Tournament 1 was great, but other than that, its just the same old shit with new GFX IMO.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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I don't think it will be fair anyways, we all remember that horrid port of MGS2 to the xbox. What a sad day that was, the PS2 version looked better when we all know the xbox version should have.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
unreal blasphemer!
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 26 2005, 02:00 PM)
I was under the impression that after all is said and done, the r500 will be better with shaders than anything nvidia has in the pipeline.
notice i said r500, im not talking about current pc cards.
wrong impression?
oh well, r500 owns all, bow to it or die
unreal blasphemer!
notice i said r500, im not talking about current pc cards.
wrong impression?
oh well, r500 owns all, bow to it or die
unreal blasphemer!
Nvidia has always had much better shadowing. They have also always had better mapping. ATI only once, yes only once, made a board that had faster shaders (and only shaders) than a Nvidia counterpart. That was the r300 aka 9700pro. This chip is also known as the chip that ATI did not design.
All I am saying, is that there is no doubt in my mind that the Nvidia RSX will have much better shaders. Unified shaders are only faster in theory, we will see if it is faster in real life after about a year of the console release. Based on the Xbox alone, Nvidia is the winner in my book. The effects that the xbox has are lightyears ahead of the PS2 and the Gamecube. All because of its GFX chip.And deftech, the unreal engines are sweet, but engine alone doesnt make for a good game, I learned that one with DOOM3.
hugoboss1, yeah GT4 was crap compared to Forza, so I see where your line of thought was
Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
Unreal for the win!!
r500 is king
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 26 2005, 02:35 PM)
The only people I know that dislike Unreals are hardcore stubborn Quake'rs
I also hate quake, all of them.
I take back what I said. Unreal Tournament 1 was great, but other than that, its just the same old shit with new GFX IMO.
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(hugoboss1 @ Sep 26 2005, 02:43 PM)
people comparing MGS4 makes no sence lets wait for a port and open the floodgates for debate..
I don't think it will be fair anyways, we all remember that horrid port of MGS2 to the xbox. What a sad day that was, the PS2 version looked better when we all know the xbox version should have.
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 26, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 26 2005, 02:46 PM)
I don't think it will be fair anyways, we all remember that horrid port of MGS2 to the xbox. What a sad day that was, the PS2 version looked better when we all know the xbox version should have.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
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Kojima the fugger would not take advantage of the 360 hardware so a msg 4 comparison would be futile.
good comparisons will be splinter cells, future recons, and UT 2007.
epic will max both out so itll be interesting.
any other games from any other devs and I see them liking or disliking one of the systems.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on September 26, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
good comparisons will be splinter cells, future recons, and UT 2007.
epic will max both out so itll be interesting.
any other games from any other devs and I see them liking or disliking one of the systems.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 26, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 26 2005, 03:26 PM)
Kojima the fugger would not take advantage of the 360 hardware so a msg 4 comparison would be futile.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 26, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 26, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 26 2005, 01:47 PM)
Umm why don't you think GT on PS3 would even get close? As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them. Nvidia, on the flipside, already has SM 3.0 and has for two generations of their GFX chips. They also already have HDR. Since, like you said, its just lighting effects, I think the Nvidia lighting effects will be miles ahead of anything that an ATI chip can do.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: incognegro on September 26, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Im just surprised a lower spec system like the gamecube (with an ATI chip installed) can produced utterly beautiful games like zelda and resident evil 4 that look better than the majority of xbox games. I guess its all about what you do with the hardware not what the hardware "can" do.........im sure the god of war devs will agree.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Master X on September 26, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
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I just hope these are real
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
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Post by: incognegro on September 26, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: Master X on September 26, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
I just hope these are real
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
QUOTE(3dfx_ownd_joo @ Sep 27 2005, 03:03 AM)
well xbox360 uses windows longhorn technology.... which will use direct x 10...... and xbox360 uses a modified version of Direct X..... and the r500 uses unified shading, which nvidia will implement in their next geforce (8?).... the sony playstations video card is just a geforce 7 stuck in, and a little bit faster than the geforce 7 then u can buy for your pc, and the playstation 3 will use opengl. and wont use a modified version of directx .... so doesnt that cancel out some pixel shader APIs?
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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The current directx king for the computer named Half-Life 2
And the opengl king, DOOM3
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
The current directx king for the computer named Half-Life 2
And the opengl king, DOOM3
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 27 2005, 06:56 PM)
i dont know much of what enhancements come with each direct x version. you are right about the "RSX" GPU being nothing more then a over-clocked geforce 7. and the rendering software used for the 360 (Shader Model and Direct X) is ahead of what will be used in the ps3 so that is why i dont understand why people think that the ps3 will have better rendering quality then the 360. also, i never knew however that the ps3 used opengl.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 27, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
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Unreal 3 engine supports both DirectX and OpenGL api's.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
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personally i think there is a place for each engine (source and doom3). but its hard to compare the engines because there are a few games that are using the doom3 engine and only a couple that use source. everything that is using the doom3 engine has a similar setting as doom 3 except for quakewars (which looks rather impressive) and the only other game i know to use the source engine is that crap vampire game (which looked like ass to me). to me none of it matters in the end as the number 1 engine now is the unreal3 engine and we know that the 360 pushes that engine mighty nice.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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Did I say it was? I think not.
What statement? My statement was fully accurate. I shall recap them
"As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them."
Did you catch that part in bold?
Thats right, the xbox 360 was already done, making it the first completed ATI chip with anything past SM2.0. Also the xbox 360 chip is the R500.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on September 27, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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While it's true that the X800 series didn't have SM 3.0, that's not the card in the 360.
Did I say it was? I think not.
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The 360 uses the R520 which has BEYOND SM3.0 so your statements are inaccurate.
What statement? My statement was fully accurate. I shall recap them
"As far as I am concerned, the xbox 360 will have lower Shader Models, seeing as ATI has no SM 3.0 boards yet and the x360 chip might be the first to get them."
Did you catch that part in bold?
Thats right, the xbox 360 was already done, making it the first completed ATI chip with anything past SM2.0. Also the xbox 360 chip is the R500.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 27 2005, 05:55 PM)
Did I say it was? I think not.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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And can you explain what beyond SM 3.0 is? Last time I checked, the CineFX 4.0 engine of the 7800 series allows for an infinite amount of shader operations. What is beyond infinite? There are no harware limitations on both vertex and pixel shader instuctions sets length with the CineFX 4.0.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 27, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
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yum 48 shader pipes 
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 05:02:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 27 2005, 06:38 PM)
but its also the first from ANY card company to get beyond SM 3.0 technology.
And can you explain what beyond SM 3.0 is? Last time I checked, the CineFX 4.0 engine of the 7800 series allows for an infinite amount of shader operations. What is beyond infinite? There are no harware limitations on both vertex and pixel shader instuctions sets length with the CineFX 4.0.
Post by: Deftech on September 27, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 27, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 27 2005, 06:57 PM)
I feel left out so I'll chime in...
the R520 doesnt/wont have 48 shader pipes like the R500 does. That wont happen until the next iteration of Cores.
Ok I feel better
the R520 doesnt/wont have 48 shader pipes like the R500 does. That wont happen until the next iteration of Cores.
Ok I feel better
yum 48 shader pipes
Post by: KAGE360 on September 27, 2005, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 27 2005, 06:57 PM)
And can you explain what beyond SM 3.0 is? Last time I checked, the CineFX 4.0 engine of the 7800 series allows for an infinite amount of shader operations. What is beyond infinite? There are no harware limitations on both vertex and pixel shader instuctions sets length with the CineFX 4.0.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
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hey deftones,look up articles on quality of SM 2.0B vs 3
majority show insignifigant differnences,and from my knoweldge ati has 2B in the 9800 series to....i belive
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: whiteblur67 on September 27, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
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right now nvidia is kicking ati ass in the pc gaming market
i have a 6600 gt and the only game that runs bad is F.e.a.r.
wind waker is a cel shaded game with low poly counts its would look the same on the dreamcast
both systems are going to look great
as long as the jagges are gone forever im happy
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 07:20:00 PM
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jaggies arent gone....there reduced
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 28, 2005, 07:24:00 AM
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Shader Operations per second and shader instruction length are two different things. Sure it can only do 98billion a second, but the length of the shader program can be infinite.
About the shader models. With 2.0 you are allowed 160 instructions for pixel shaders and 1024 instructions for vertex shaders. With 2.0B you are allowed 65,280 vertex instructions and 16 pixel shaders per rendering pass. With Nvidias second generation SM 3.0 engine (CineFX 3.0 being the first with CineFX 4.0 being the second) They allow for, like I said, infinite length shader instructions.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 28, 2005, 08:27:00 AM
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
majority show insignifigant differnences,and from my knoweldge ati has 2B in the 9800 series to....i belive
Post by: whiteblur67 on September 27, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
right now nvidia is kicking ati ass in the pc gaming market
i have a 6600 gt and the only game that runs bad is F.e.a.r.
wind waker is a cel shaded game with low poly counts its would look the same on the dreamcast
both systems are going to look great
as long as the jagges are gone forever im happy
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 27, 2005, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 28, 2005, 07:24:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 27 2005, 07:13 PM)
also if there is no hardware limitations with CineFX 4.0 then why did sony post their specs to have 98billion shader operations? its basically an overclocked 7800 in the ps3 so in theory wouldnt they been able to say infinite shader operations if they wanted to over-exagerate their specs even further??
Shader Operations per second and shader instruction length are two different things. Sure it can only do 98billion a second, but the length of the shader program can be infinite.
About the shader models. With 2.0 you are allowed 160 instructions for pixel shaders and 1024 instructions for vertex shaders. With 2.0B you are allowed 65,280 vertex instructions and 16 pixel shaders per rendering pass. With Nvidias second generation SM 3.0 engine (CineFX 3.0 being the first with CineFX 4.0 being the second) They allow for, like I said, infinite length shader instructions.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 28, 2005, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 27 2005, 06:57 PM)
And can you explain what beyond SM 3.0 is? Last time I checked, the CineFX 4.0 engine of the 7800 series allows for an infinite amount of shader operations. What is beyond infinite? There are no harware limitations on both vertex and pixel shader instuctions sets length with the CineFX 4.0.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 28, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
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and deftones,being a sony enthisiats that you are,do you remeber that EA created a custom shadeing technology for ps2 to make chaos theory with
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 28, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 28, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on September 28, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Sep 28 2005, 07:35 PM)
and deftones,being a sony enthisiats that you are,do you remeber that EA created a custom shadeing technology for ps2 to make chaos theory with
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Heet on September 28, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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"Personally I will believe it when its utilized."
Heard that.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: JimmyDeushku on September 28, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 28, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
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Post by: Heet on September 28, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
Heard that.
Post by: JimmyDeushku on September 28, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 28, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Sep 29 2005, 02:36 AM)
no matter how you slice it, on paper the 360 gpu (ALU 48 shader/vertex pipes x 500mhz) is technically capable of almost 2x the shader operations then the ps3 gpu (24 shader pipes x 550mz) I do believe we have to wait and see what it does in reality however. But froma technical standpoint strictly looking at the numbers the 360 gpu wins. Personally I will believe it when its utilized.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Sep 28 2005, 11:05 PM)
thanks for posting,any chance NDA will allow you to say what shaders it uses(2,2b,3,4!?)
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 29, 2005, 07:28:00 AM
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Well, the real version would be the PC version.............................you must have tortured yourself with that jaggerific xbox version.
Ballz2TheWallz: What is an enthisiats, oh you mean enthusiast. How can I be a $ony enthusiast? I don't think I own any $ony products right now. My PS2 has been gone for almost a year now. I have no $ony TV's. I have no $ony audio products. Nope, not one thing in my house says $ony on it right now.
Good post
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 29, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 29, 2005, 07:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 28 2005, 07:56 PM)
God blessed why do people not get the real version of Splinter?! why torture themselves with shit! Ok back on topic...
Well, the real version would be the PC version.............................you must have tortured yourself with that jaggerific xbox version.
Ballz2TheWallz: What is an enthisiats, oh you mean enthusiast. How can I be a $ony enthusiast? I don't think I own any $ony products right now. My PS2 has been gone for almost a year now. I have no $ony TV's. I have no $ony audio products. Nope, not one thing in my house says $ony on it right now.
QUOTE(mikeandbandit)
no matter how you slice it, on paper the 360 gpu (ALU 48 shader/vertex pipes x 500mhz) is technically capable of almost 2x the shader operations then the ps3 gpu (24 shader pipes x 550mz) I do believe we have to wait and see what it does in reality however. But froma technical standpoint strictly looking at the numbers the 360 gpu wins. Personally I will believe it when its utilized.
Good post
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 29, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 29 2005, 03:06 PM)
how is mikeandbandit under NDA?
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 29, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 29, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Sep 29 2005, 03:40 PM)
mike is a MS PR guy,lol
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 29, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on September 29, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 29 2005, 10:39 PM)
oh.....
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on September 29, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Sep 29 2005, 04:59 PM)
well i think they still insist ps2 is more powerful,so i dont think after ps3grill.com theyll ever give in
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 29, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 30, 2005, 07:02:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on September 29, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on September 30, 2005, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(neb15 @ Sep 30 2005, 12:48 AM)
ummmm im uterly, compleatly, f'in' comfusend now...
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 30, 2005, 07:21:00 AM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 30, 2005, 07:21:00 AM
QUOTE(neb15 @ Sep 30 2005, 12:48 AM)
ummmm im uterly, compleatly, f'in' comfusend now...
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 30, 2005, 07:38:00 AM
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Why do all of you xbox fans have to place the so called buzz word for the Nvidia chip on $ony? $ony didnt call it that, Nvidia did, just like their own PC chips the Geforce, wasnt that a buzz word? But I bet it was fine to be called that in the xbox
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: crobar on September 30, 2005, 07:52:00 AM
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here are some shots form the pgr3 vid...
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on September 30, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 30, 2005, 07:38:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 29 2005, 05:04 PM)
oh thats right i forgot now that we have survived the power of the "emotion engine" now we have to suffer through all the "reality synthasis" (or whatever fuckin buzz word their using now) BS.
Why do all of you xbox fans have to place the so called buzz word for the Nvidia chip on $ony? $ony didnt call it that, Nvidia did, just like their own PC chips the Geforce, wasnt that a buzz word? But I bet it was fine to be called that in the xbox
Post by: crobar on September 30, 2005, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on September 30, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 30 2005, 09:49 AM)
Why do all of you xbox fans have to place the so called buzz word for the Nvidia chip on $ony? $ony didnt call it that, Nvidia did, just like their own PC chips the Geforce, wasnt that a buzz word? But I bet it was fine to be called that in the xbox
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 30, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
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M$ does nothing but talk up their GPU so get your facts straight. Examples, Unified Shaders this Unified Shaders that, eDRAM this eDRAM that, Free 4xAA this and Free 4xAA that, etc etc.
Oh and nintendo never used hype bullshit. Good one buddy. How about Super Nintendo? Maybe Nintendo 64? How about Nintendo Revolution. And it was more than Starfox that used the SuperFX hype bullshit. StuntRace FX, DOOM FX, Dirt Trax FX, etc.
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Deftech on September 30, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
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deftones is very sensitive when people mention the almighty reality synthesizer. is thats its even called?
I havent heard Kenny K spew it out of his mouth in weeks, maybe the sony execs murdered the sob.
I still like blast processing, so get down b4 me and kneel bitch!
reality synthesizer
hahahahahaha
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: mikeandbandit on October 05, 2005, 07:26:00 AM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 30, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360)
thats like MS saying behold the power of the Xenon and Xenos chips in the 360 oooooo, aaaaahhhhhh
M$ does nothing but talk up their GPU so get your facts straight. Examples, Unified Shaders this Unified Shaders that, eDRAM this eDRAM that, Free 4xAA this and Free 4xAA that, etc etc.
Oh and nintendo never used hype bullshit.
Good one buddy. How about Super Nintendo? Maybe Nintendo 64? How about Nintendo Revolution. And it was more than Starfox that used the SuperFX hype bullshit. StuntRace FX, DOOM FX, Dirt Trax FX, etc.
Post by: Deftech on September 30, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
I havent heard Kenny K spew it out of his mouth in weeks, maybe the sony execs murdered the sob.
I still like blast processing, so get down b4 me and kneel bitch!
reality synthesizer
hahahahahaha
Post by: mikeandbandit on October 05, 2005, 07:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Sep 29 2005, 12:05 AM)
thanks for posting, say what shaders it uses(2,2b,3,4!?)
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: KAGE360 on October 05, 2005, 07:37:00 AM
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Title: Forza Motorsports 2
Post by: Mikekay1976 on July 11, 2007, 08:04:00 AM
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pls can anyone post here the money bug on how do dupe cars in Forza?
its not to get money to cheat the auctions, i just want the all cars achivements and have spent all my money. i reckon i am a good 10 mill short
Post by: KAGE360 on October 05, 2005, 07:37:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 30 2005, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE(KAGE360)
thats like MS saying behold the power of the Xenon and Xenos chips in the 360 oooooo, aaaaahhhhhh
Post by: Mikekay1976 on July 11, 2007, 08:04:00 AM
its not to get money to cheat the auctions, i just want the all cars achivements and have spent all my money. i reckon i am a good 10 mill short