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care to elaborate for those who have no interest in buying EA games anyways
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Sure, sorry i didnt to begin with i was/am still really pissed about all this.
Fight Night has been a great franchise imo, so naturally i was excited about the 360 version.
Well i've only played 2 matches but the Burger King crap is so overwhelming that it totally takes away from the gameplay. Every round or replay is brought to you by burger king, there are 3 BK logos on the the turn buckles, the center of the ring is burger king, there are banners from the ceiling that say have it your way- even the announces SAY this punch brought to you by burger king. the walls are plastered with logos... most are so much higher in contrast to the rest of the game its all you pay attention to.
the game has a very cool shader system to create some nice dynamic lighting, well when they put stats over top, this crazy high contrast burger king logo pops up which totally makes your eye go- what the hell is that blinding thing down there- oh a damn BK logo.
i can deal with subtle fitting adverts, but since when was Ali / Frazier sponsored by a bk broiler?
the game btw, is amazing otherwise. i cant stress enough how much this ruins it though.
WRITE SOME EMAILS TO EA AND BK FOLKS!!!!
Guess thats why you need EA to spell LAME.
5 minutes later..... i cant believe im watching chics figure skating the day FN3 comes out. FUBK
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BK's just trying to tap into the video game industry in any way it cans.
I think the blame falls on EA here.
I'm all for realism, and that includes sponsor advertising but I've never seen a fast food joint sponsoring a prize fight
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QUOTE(miggidy @ Feb 21 2006, 11:30 PM)

BK's just trying to tap into the video game industry in any way it cans.
I think the blame falls on EA here.
I'm all for realism, and that includes sponsor advertising but I've never seen a fast food joint sponsoring a prize fight

If it was Budweiser it would be realism, BK is just selling out like they did with commercials in movie theatres.
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is darius rucker the referee?
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QUOTE(Gbeav @ Feb 22 2006, 07:38 AM)

If it was Budweiser it would be realism, BK is just selling out like they did with commercials in movie theatres.
Yeah Budweiser and automobile ads would fit in fine.
Now that I remember, BK was all over the last UFC event I watched on television.
And boy was that annoying....
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Wow, thats some passion! Mines havent arrived in the mail yet, but ill be sure to let you know what I think. Damn you EA, you ruined madden, live, and FN3....come on man!
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Hehe, i was actually looking for an excuse to not buy FN3, it only looks average but i have money to blow. This made up my mind.
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You would think with the money BK paid to have the logo put in EA could make the game a little cheaper for us. Oh well, like thats ever going to happen.
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EA who?
BK rocks!
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you cant boycott BK, to many people who dont play video games wont give a shit about what you think. Fast food sells to millions of people everyday, and they wont give a shit if they lose, what like 5 customers because they agree your whining. Who really cares anyhow. go get a whopper© and STFU
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Moving to Gamer Chat...
Oh and you'd be better set to send you comments about the Game back to EA, it would also be more effective if you encouraged people to boycott the game as opposed to BK...
BK doesn't care about the game, and that's ok they just make burgers
EA obviously doesn't care about the game either, and that's NOT ok because they make the game.
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Can you fight as the crazy-scarey King from the BK commercials?
I was really on the fence about this game. How pathetic is it of me that I can not play boxing games anymore. Mike Tyson's Punch Out is the definitive boxer, and all others have sucked since.
It'd be nice to have a new game to play, but hearing this BK stuff (and knowing how annoyed I would get as well) I am out. Top-spin 2 it is!
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QUOTE(Deftech @ Feb 22 2006, 04:31 AM)

BK rocks!
Indeed they do
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You should boycot BK for different reasons like oh i dont know because their food will kill you! All fastfood is horrible for you so no more fastfood! I got a laugh out of THE KING being a promoter in the game. I kinda hear where youre coming from though with all the ingame advertising and BK having nothing to do with boxing till its in front of a bunch of kids then they are all about ramming there nasty ass food down our faces! If they are gonna do this the only reason should be to lower game costs to the consumer, but unfortunately its to fatten their pockets.
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QUOTE(0wn996 @ Feb 22 2006, 05:33 PM)

I probably won't make a lot of new friends here with this comment but here's my 2ct.
You people should not spend so much time to find things that annoy you.
You're playing a boxing game so play the damn game, stop complaining about the BK logo you're seeing, it's just getting annoying hearing nothing but whining on the boards.
EA always does everything wrong in some people's eyes but i think FNR3 is a very good game, which has brought me a whole lot of fun.
I couldn't give a crap less about the commercials in the game.
I actually understand them very well cause tests have pointed out that commercials in-game are very effective.
Another thing that cracks me up is that you guys are whining about all the BK commercials, but i don't hear a single soul complaining about all the EVERLAST logo's all over the ring, how come they are so much less annoying then ???
PS.
KFC pwnz BK

Agreed. what he said.
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The everlast logos, the dodge logos are fine in the game, they dont detract from the gameplay. But when you see how badly and annoying the BK crap is you will agree.
not only are the logos and "have it your way" plastered all over, but the announcer actually says verbally between rounds "This punch brought to you by Burger King. it just doesnt belong.
i know boycotting burger king sounds stupid so boycott both... or write them an email that stupid advertising like this is going to backfire.
The game is amazing otherwise, truely amazing.
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QUOTE(0wn996 @ Feb 22 2006, 11:33 AM)

I probably won't make a lot of new friends here with this comment but here's my 2ct.
You people should not spend so much time to find things that annoy you.
You're playing a boxing game so play the damn game, stop complaining about the BK logo you're seeing, it's just getting annoying hearing nothing but whining on the boards.
EA always does everything wrong in some people's eyes but i think FNR3 is a very good game, which has brought me a whole lot of fun.
I couldn't give a crap less about the commercials in the game.
I actually understand them very well cause tests have pointed out that commercials in-game are very effective.
Another thing that cracks me up is that you guys are whining about all the BK commercials, but i don't hear a single soul complaining about all the EVERLAST logo's all over the ring, how come they are so much less annoying then ???
PS.
KFC pwnz BK

You make a good point....but so do the other guys, I remember when NFS Underground game out, loved it, couldn't wait for the sequel....they seemed like they did most things right as far as sequels go, but the constant barrage of ING Direct, Best Buy, and Cingular ads just kept pulling me out of the game for me to enjoy it....maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if the free roam mode wasn't so boring making me look for places....I mean, Midnight Club 3 had it's in game ads, but those didn't bother me cuz I was concentrating on the great action going on...hopefully I'll find FN3 the same way, I'm picking it up when I break for lunch.
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wow thats harsh. Why do gamers have to ruin games with so many advertisements!! Now if they were made up advertisements like on whacked, those things were so funny. HOW TO WALK WITH A ROCK... ha ha ha classic
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i didnt even see any logos last nite... i was pretty tanked though, staryed up till 4 playing it. now i ill probably see them becasue you mentioned it!
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I personally have no problems with advertisements in games,
but I think they should only be used as a mechanism to improve the realism as opposed to pulling you out of the experience.
For instance a banner ad on the guardrails and bridges in an Racing game are completely accecptable...
If I put my game disc in and I'm forced to sit through a commercial before I can play, that is unacceptable
If they have me sit through a commercial while a level loads, THAT would be acceptable (so long as I can skip it pre-maturely if the game finishes loading early).
I haven't yet played FNR3 and I've never been to a Boxing match so I don't know what the acceptable advertising mechanism is for boxing, but it sounds to me like FNR3 isn't really out of line with what they're doing. The impression I get is that for the most part they're following with the advertising mechanism you would experience if watching an actual Boxing match, in person or on TV.
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I was hoping that when I saw this thread at 4:30am and replied, it was a joke, or the thread starter was maybe irritable while posting and this thread would go away..........
As always, people here have proved me wrong, and I cant believe that a topic such as this is worth debating.
First shadows from rocks is removed in one game(whining can *maybe* be warranted), but now BK adverts in a boxing game send people into a frenzy, and BK is scorned for it.
This place is becoming more of a chore 2 visit lately
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maybe they should think of some way if they are going to pilfer the games with ads, to tie the consumer in more. like say a free whopper coupon inside that packaging. meh? free burger any one?
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well ill keep dreaming
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QUOTE(MadEx @ Feb 22 2006, 07:23 PM)

EA ruined the game by putting in BK ads, and BK is to blame? You have some strange logic.
Hhhhmmmm
Lunch is still 2 hours away but the new Angus Cheesy Bacon Steak Burger sounds freakin delicious right about now!
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QUOTE(miggidy @ Feb 22 2006, 01:27 PM)

Hhhhmmmm
Lunch is still 2 hours away but the new Angus Cheesy Bacon Steak Burger sounds freakin delicious right about now!

mmmmmmmm, now im hungry ya bastard
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Dang me too and im skipping lunch at work today so i can leave early.
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Sorry about that guys....
Damn I hate bacon but the King really knows how to pimp his services.
That picture's got my mouth watering haha....
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/me runs for the hills
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QUOTE(Deftech @ Feb 22 2006, 12:29 PM)

lol...thanks for the nightmare Deftech...bastard
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Define irony....listening to SOAD's Chic 'N' Stew, while playing FNR3....j/k, I just picked it up....but I won't be home for another 3hrs to play it dammit...I find that King character funny as hell, love that one commercial when he's diving for a TD.
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That advertising does sound a little much. I could deal with seeing a Best Buy or Mcdonalds bill board in NFS, but prolly not something like that in Fight Night.
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QUOTE(richie579 @ Feb 22 2006, 02:22 PM)

Define irony....listening to SOAD's Chic 'N' Stew, while playing FNR3....j/k, I just picked it up....but I won't be home for another 3hrs to play it dammit...I find that King character funny as hell, love that one commercial when he's diving for a TD.
BK commercials are excellent.
W00000t!
I want it!
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HAHAHAHAHA
never saw that b4
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the whole world is based around advertising. this is how ALL big companies start off. its just natural. and you think EA and BK over-do it in FNR3. just look at PGR3 theres like a mcdonalds every 5 blocks!
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Hey,
I did not read all of the posts. Was there an email addy for EA so we can bitch? I can only assume that BK paid something to be in the game if that is the case then the game should cost less to buy.
Minimally there should be a disclaimer or something that says the game has advertising to an annoying level in it.
Yeah that'll happen.
Here is what I think of when I hear of BK.
http://www.americana...esaredone2.html
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It's not as bad as the OP makes it out to be, but if the King's a playable character, I'll go buy it right now.
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If they have me sit through a commercial while a level loads, THAT would be acceptable (so long as I can skip it pre-maturely if the game finishes loading early).
Please tell me you are kidding. This would be one of the things I will not stand for. I get angry when I go to a theater to watch a movie and I have to watch commercials. I don't even watch TV because of them...adding them to games will cause me to stop playing them period.
I do not mind in a game when you drive by a bilboard with some brand plastered over it...but honestly if games every have commercials (skipable or not) I am done with a hobby that has brought me so much these past 20+ years...
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As far as I know, the king is NOT a playable character.
You can, however, unlock him for usage.
You can "hire" him as a "promoter". The screenshot you posted is of just that. Think Fight Night round 2 where you could have a slut follow you to the ring. Instead of some slut, you have the king follow you to the ring.
Ironically, he gives you a boost to "heart"...seems interesting since eating at shit-hole fast food restaurants will actually clog your heart.
Also, I don't have a problem with the ads in the game at all; it actually seems more realistic to me. I guess it's pretty safe to say I already boycott burger king (and all other junk food), but I will not be boycotting under armour or everlast.
Get real.
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Yeah, as far as I know, you can only have him as a promoter.....Which I do. I played the game all night last night and it is super fun. When I first saw the King come out with my opponent, I was laughing so hard. Once you beat your oppent that has The King as a Promoter, than you can hire him. Its awesome.
This I think is one of the funniest parts of the game...Other than bashing someones face in three times while they are falling to the gound in a knockout.
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QUOTE(C o s m o @ Feb 22 2006, 09:31 AM)

Can you fight as the crazy-scarey King from the BK commercials?
no shit. that guy is fucking creepy. As far as in game advertising, it will only get worse. Because companies like EA want the advertising venue, and they don't give a shit how tacky it looks (see nba2k6/need for speed).
QUOTE(JamesCrow @ Feb 22 2006, 06:35 PM)

You can "hire" him as a "promoter". The screenshot you posted is of just that. Think Fight Night round 2 where you could have a slut follow you to the ring. Instead of some slut, you have the king follow you to the ring.
Ironically, he gives you a boost to "heart"...seems interesting since eating at shit-hole fast food restaurants will actually clog your heart.
lol!
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QUOTE(RogueStorm @ Feb 23 2006, 12:44 AM)

Also, to the OP of this thread. I'm Dr. Angus and you're cheesy.
I dont like the cheesy ones as much as the King ones. that mask just makes me laugh when seeing it.
I had to change my avatar out of respect for the king
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QUOTE(webslinginwr22 @ Feb 23 2006, 01:35 AM)

This thread is almost as stupid as what some guy said to me while fighting him on live earlier today. So, we're in between rounds and I started manually healing my boxer (didnt take long cuz the guy couldnt hit me very much). So, he goes, "dude, if you dont auto heal next time i'm out of here, i dont have time to sit here and do nothing." WTF???? I really hope it wasn't any of you guys (if it was any of you guys that have sand in their clit about this whole advertising thing meet me on live so i can whoop the sheeiiiit out of you). Anyways, so i was like "dude, you obviously have time to just sit there and do nothing since ur sitting there playin a video game. Besides, it's 30 seconds at most. So the following round i whaled on his @ss and knocked him down and as he's goin down he pauses the game and quits. TARDED!!!!!
'twas I, I own every EA game ever made.
/me runs like hell
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QUOTE(miggidy @ Feb 23 2006, 02:24 AM)

I much rather see BK ads in a boxing game then some retarded mess like boner pills....

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I totally agree that some adverts in games actually improve realizm, imagine a nascar game with no Bud car or if it belongs in the game like say a basketball game played at Staples Center.
My beef was this, I bought FN3, my first fight was Ali Frazier and im being totally bombarded with BK ads. All that stats would pop up with a bright BK logo, the center ring, the ring posts, big banners hanging it was just over kill and totally wrong for the environment. I mean when Ali fought Frazier there was a ABC logo on the microphone the announcer used and that was about it- definitely not the 2006 version of BK.
anyway, i have since played about 20 more games even another Ali Frazier and have not seen BK return. The only thing that comes up is Dodge, Everlast and some clothing company.
all im saying is this was a terrible distraction to a historic boxing match.
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once again Deftech brings the humor
....I used to like to BK commercials from last year, the office ones where the one guy was always getting shatted on and laughed at....shoulda made him a playable character to redeem himself, and that one hot chick in the office to follow his silly ass around
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I'm not one way or the other on BK love vs. FNR3 or anything, but I just thought it was ironic that a product that renders you a total fatass is advertising in a sports game. Where's the logic to the marketing? "Here, eat our burgers and you can knock the fuck out of Tyson"...? I can understand them advertising in Nascar or golf or something non-athletic, but boxing? I just don't understand...
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QUOTE(JamesCrow @ Feb 23 2006, 10:51 AM)

Because most of the people who play video games are fat asses or are people who regularly eat fast food products / nerds.
When my friends played the full version, the first thing they said were things about the Burger king stuff all over. It apparently bothers some but not all.
Ah, I was putting too much direct PR behind the thinking... it was more sublime then that. Thanks.
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I dont have much of a problem with in game advertising, so long that its subtle. I dont want any in your face crap, Im trying to play a game after all! In game advertising does add to the realism too, but only if theres a variety of ads. If youre playing and all you see is McDonalds ads everywhere, something doesnt feel right.
On the other hand, do in game ads even work? Its like infomercials. Does anyone jump out of their seat to buy stuff?
I dont know about you, but I dont feel inclined to buy Axe deodorant every time I play burnout, or eat McDonalds whenever I play NFS.
(PS Carls Jr/Hardees > BK > Jack (off) in the Box > * )
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Allright you S.O.B.'s...WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE!(especially Deftech and MrBones
)
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Hahahahahahaha
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QUOTE(C o s m o @ Feb 23 2006, 06:20 PM)

Allright you S.O.B.'s...
WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE!(especially Deftech and MrBones

)
Its about time the King starts givin a lil back to the customer!
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QUOTE(tonloc79 @ Feb 23 2006, 11:44 AM)

Its about time the King starts givin a lil back to the customer!
LOL
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QUOTE(psychoholica @ Feb 22 2006, 01:16 AM)

Sure, sorry i didnt to begin with i was/am still really pissed about all this.
Fight Night has been a great franchise imo, so naturally i was excited about the 360 version.
Well i've only played 2 matches but the Burger King crap is so overwhelming that it totally takes away from the gameplay. Every round or replay is brought to you by burger king, there are 3 BK logos on the the turn buckles, the center of the ring is burger king, there are banners from the ceiling that say have it your way- even the announces SAY this punch brought to you by burger king. the walls are plastered with logos... most are so much higher in contrast to the rest of the game its all you pay attention to.
the game has a very cool shader system to create some nice dynamic lighting, well when they put stats over top, this crazy high contrast burger king logo pops up which totally makes your eye go- what the hell is that blinding thing down there- oh a damn BK logo.
i can deal with subtle fitting adverts, but since when was Ali / Frazier sponsored by a bk broiler?
the game btw, is amazing otherwise. i cant stress enough how much this ruins it though.
WRITE SOME EMAILS TO EA AND BK FOLKS!!!!
Guess thats why you need EA to spell LAME.
5 minutes later..... i cant believe im watching chics figure skating the day FN3 comes out. FUBK
LMFAO! Wow. I can't believe that. I'm glad they kept it small in NFSMW.
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QUOTE(C o s m o @ Feb 23 2006, 12:20 PM)

Allright you S.O.B.'s...
WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE!(especially Deftech and MrBones

)
what were you doing searching blowjob on google video mister?
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QUOTE(woofis @ Feb 23 2006, 06:19 PM)

what were you doing searching blowjob on google video mister?

lol...As much as I'd like to take credit for finding it, I got it from gordonkeith.com (a local guy's website).
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QUOTE(shaggyz9 @ Feb 23 2006, 03:00 PM)

I just ate at BK and it was delicious. I hardly even noticed the sponsers. I don't see where people think just because BK added some funding to EA with an exchange for some advertisements its such a bad thing. And for those people who think its out of place for BK to be in boxing, its not the boxers they want to buy there food its the viewers/players.
How can you say BK is delicious? They microwave their burgers. So gross! Microwaved lettuce and tomato, yuck!
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BK Rocks.. I may just go down and get 2 whoppers for $3 at lunch today...
yummie!
As far as the original topic goes from the 1st page...
who cares. Get used to product placment/advertising in games.
Its not going anywhere... and if you are boycotting something just because
YOU dont like it... you are going to miss out on a lot in life, sonny.
Take what you can get when you can get it, and just learn to enjoy the
hell out of it.
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you guys think the BK advertising in fight night is bad? they advertise much more aggressively in poland, check this out
Mcdonalds
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This thread is retarded the game rocks nuff said. Please close and save the room for good news
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at least when using the phillie defense style, it says its like a phillie steak sandwhich with the works, a little bit of everything, what if it said its like a whopper with everything
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I figured FN3 may not have enough of the King in it for some of you, so I edited my sig banner accordingly
Ok enough silliness for the night, back to Condemned.....
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lol, i love the sig, that might be funnier then my bk xss link a few posts up. condemned is a great game, how far into it are you? your live tag isn't in your profile, and i'm assuming this isn't you
http://live.xbox.com...amerTag=deftech
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Nope, not me.
I dont have it public because I dont like many members(unfortunately), and vice versa, so only 4 or 5 Scene members/mods/admins have it. I dont need little kiddies giving me neg feedback and filing complaints because they dislike me here. Sad, but it happens.
I'm on my 2nd time thru Condemned. I got 530 points the 1st time thru(up to 610 now), mainly to get all birds and metal pieces. I'm shooting for Silver Melee, but admittedly have no desire to go all the way thru without using any guns, so Gold Melee wont be happening for me
I recently found out the Propaganda reports coincide with the metal pieces found, hence why Im redoing it. Trying to beat CoD 2 on Veteran as well, and to think Hardened made me crabby....

Im also trying to kill Mcgruder in GUN but got irritated with that. The more I shoot the gas areas with tnt arrows and hurt him, the more pissed he gets and comes right up on me and unloads with that pos shottie. Ive gotten him down to like 20% health, and I hear he's supposed to go to a higher level and toss dynamite down once hes hurt bad. Well he never leaves the ground level Im on
I havent tried in almost a week, I'll give it a go this weekend. I'll bother my pal m_hael about it I'm sure
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yeah, mcgruder was pretty tough. fortunately, its a breeze to beat him once he goes to the upper level and starts thowing dynamite. my tip for beat him is just shoot the explosive arrows into the geyser when he gets near them, and try to keep him on screen at all times. those rocks provide excellent cover.also did you get all of the flask upgrades?
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QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Feb 25 2006, 12:54 AM)

yeah, mcgruder was pretty tough. fortunately, its a breeze to beat him once he goes to the upper level and starts thowing dynamite. my tip for beat him is just shoot the explosive arrows into the geyser when he gets near them, and try to keep him on screen at all times. those rocks provide excellent cover.also did you get all of the flask upgrades?
No, I didnt get all upgrades. I didnt know I couldnt leave the mine once I entered 
I believe I got 2 health upgrades, maybe leaving only one to get? I dont recall. Theres more health lying around the ground so its possible to beat him, I just get flustered, the rocks dont offer me much cover when Im drinking and the bastard comes around the side and pops me one, lol. Did you have all upgrades b4 entering the mine? and if not, were you able to play more afterwards, getting 100% of everything? I hope it allows me to do so. Im only at 370 points b4 the battle, Id hate to start over again.
Damn its moments like that where Id love to kill the natural light in that mine, and go sam fisher on his ass.
Condemned.... I just beat chapter 4 using no firearms. 1 - 4 stats at the end showed I used No firearms, yet it didnt give me the Silver melee
I'll try another map with just melee, if it doesnt give it to me, fug it.
I was about to apologize for raping this thread with GUN/Condemned topics, but I forgot which thread this was
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QUOTE(Deftech @ Feb 25 2006, 01:36 AM)

No, I didnt get all upgrades. I didnt know I couldnt leave the mine once I entered

I believe I got 2 health upgrades, maybe leaving only one to get? I dont recall. Theres more health lying around the ground so its possible to beat him, I just get flustered, the rocks dont offer me much cover when Im drinking and the bastard comes around the side and pops me one, lol. Did you have all upgrades b4 entering the mine? and if not, were you able to play more afterwards, getting 100% of everything? I hope it allows me to do so. Im only at 370 points b4 the battle, Id hate to start over again.
Damn its moments like that where Id love to kill the natural light in that mine, and go sam fisher on his ass.
Condemned.... I just beat chapter 4 using no firearms. 1 - 4 stats at the end showed I used No firearms, yet it didnt give me the Silver melee

I'll try another map with just melee, if it doesnt give it to me, fug it.
I was about to apologize for raping this thread with GUN/Condemned topics, but I forgot which thread this was 
your just advertising, its ok
seriously, i didn't have all the upgrades, after you finish off mcgruder, you'll see the ending, watch the credits, and it will give you mcgruders shotgut (i think it was called the nok gun or something like that) and it will start you off at the outside of the mine and your free to do all the side quests and explore around. i did all the side quests after. you might have to start over if you want all the gold though because theres quite a bit of it, and its VERY hard to look at the guides and figure out which pieces your missing. i'm missing 2 pieces, and can't find the last 2 even with guides. (also giving a heads up that its only going to give you the achievement for beating the game on the difficulty your on, it won't give you the easier ones like pgr/perfect dark)
condemned was a great game, just gonna give you a heads up now in case you didn't see it your first time through, on the last boss sometimes a glitch will cause your weapon to dissapear. if this happens you'll have to kick him in the face until you can rip it off. the game allows you to change difficulty at any time though, so you don't have to kick his ass (quite literally) on hard.
also, the game only counts your last run through a level, what i mean by this is you finish level 5 your first time through and get all the birds, but miss a metal piece, after beating the game, you go back through that level and get all the metal pieces, but only grab 5 birds since you already have all six in that level, only the time you got the 5 will be saved so you won't get the golden bird achievement if you didn't have it already
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one more thing about condemned, each achievement you unlock, you can go into the achievements option on the main page and select it to view various things such as concept art, the making of, and stuff like that, i belive it was the golden bird award that had a real cool video of a game that looks like condemned but i assume it got scrapped and was renamed to condemned when finished (you'll see why if you unlock it)
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QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Feb 25 2006, 02:10 AM)

your just advertising, its ok

seriously, i didn't have all the upgrades, after you finish off mcgruder, you'll see the ending, watch the credits, and it will give you mcgruders shotgut (i think it was called the nok gun or something like that)
and it will start you off at the outside of the mine and your free to do all the side quests and explore around. i did all the side quests after. you might have to start over if you want all the gold though because theres quite a bit of it, and its VERY hard to look at the guides and figure out which pieces your missing. i'm missing 2 pieces, and can't find the last 2 even with guides. (also giving a heads up that its only going to give you the achievement for beating the game on the difficulty your on, it won't give you the easier ones like pgr/perfect dark)
Excellent 
I have 39 of 44 Golds going into the Mcgruder battle, and have already done quite a few side missions. I look forward to finishing it, its just the mcgruder part that pisses me off, lol. Thanks for all the info.
I had no such glitch with the boss in Condemned, thank goodness.
Back to City Hall in cod 2. I am NOT looking forward to such missions as Silo, Hill 400 and others on Veteran. I already have migraines from the simpler ones. Its already after 2am?! I have to be up at 7:30 for a gun show 
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QUOTE(shaggyz9 @ Feb 24 2006, 07:04 PM)

I think its much better than the other major fast food corperations like mcdonalds or DQ but of course I would rather grill my own when I have time.
How dare you!?
DQ takes the title with their Blizzards alone.
That's gotta be the best thing ever, I depend on them