Post by: krims0n on February 14, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on February 14, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: 0wn996 on February 14, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
Especially since the pal standard uses 50hz by default end not 60hz (you keep saying 60Mhz btw, but there's no single tv on the planet that does 60Mhz
and if there is then i want it )I bought DOA4 in the store but i only checked for the 1080i logo, and found out about the PAL60Hz logo on my way home.
Good thing i've got the X360 hooked up to my dad's HDTV and not my own sony 50Hz tv otherwise i'd be screwed as well.
Hope you can sell it on eBay for a proper price.
Maybe you could use the money to buy Fight Night Round 3 in a few weeks. (love that game
)
Post by: twistedsymphony on February 14, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
... doing a quick Google search I guess they did only make it in 60Hz... that seems rather stupid to me.
http://www.gameseek....-Alive-4-DOA-4-
while I'm not in Europe I've heard it's about 50/50 between 50Hz and 60Hz and according to a few of the sites with the 60Hz warning most "modern" displays over there will accecpt both..
have you tried just running your 360 in 60Hz mode?
Post by: dgrams2003 on February 14, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
You'll probably get $5 less for it now that its used... whoohoo
Post by: death trap on February 14, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
You can get a 28" widescreen for under £100 if you hunt about on the net, I'm currently enjoying DOA4 on a 28" widesreen that cost less that two xbox games.
Post by: jbp20717 on February 14, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Luncher @ Feb 15 2006, 03:13 AM) 
I would say buy a new t.v, but dont u guys have to pay for every additional tv u own in ur house?? LOL FUCKING LOSERS!!!!
I don't think so - and at least we get decent programming without commercials every five minutes.
To be honest I'm surprised any TV with a SCART or RCA input isn't 60Mz - every TV I've had for the past ten years, including some really crappy ones, have been 60Hz.
Post by: CattyKid on February 14, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
QUOTE(envy @ Feb 14 2006, 04:49 PM)
Ok,
Bought my DOA4 off ebay - with no prior warning that i needed a 60mhz tv
Wow, do you know how many hertz that is?
Isn't that 60,000,000 hertz? Man, your TV is PIMP.
Post by: grim_d on February 15, 2006, 03:32:00 AM
QUOTE(CattyKid @ Feb 15 2006, 05:18 AM)
Wow, do you know how many hertz that is?
Isn't that 60,000,000 hertz? Man, your TV is PIMP.
haha thats funny, on the topic of DOA4, my tv is at least 6 years old (got it for free someone was chucking it) and it runs 60hz fine, i mean this thing doesnt even have a brand name on it. but thats just me i guess.
Post by: langlest on February 15, 2006, 04:33:00 AM
Post by: envy on February 15, 2006, 06:45:00 AM
And yes im so stupid i called it 'mhz' - but if anyone wants to buy my one of a kind 50mhz tv for £1 Million - go ahead
It is annoying - why would it require 50 hz for online play? PD0/PGR do online play but dont need 60.
My TV is a 28inch widescreen (Sanyo) and its only 2 years old. paid about £220 for it new.
Strange its quite new and dont support 60! I dont have the instructions anymore, so im going to just try the different scart - any other ideas?
Post by: No_Name on February 15, 2006, 07:27:00 AM
Does it go black and white or does it go completly out of sync and start scrolling?
Like someone susgested switch SCART input to see if that allows you to view 60hz mode and one final susgestion is to check your remove for a mode button or check the settings menu for options on activating 60hz mode as it could be locked down.
Every PAL TV differs but if its that new you should have no problems with a 60hz signal
Post by: No_Name on February 15, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
Basically the TV cant work out if the signal is a PAL or NTSC colour format so it goes bonkers and switches the colour mode so you get a second of colour then its black and white.
Somewhere on your remote is a button to set the mode.
On the TV I used the button is top right and has 3 little screens beside each other.
If you set it to PAL not AUTO you should have no problems anymore
Post by: Ozy on February 15, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
At least in nija gaiden you had a choice. This game locks up your controller if you don't boot it in PAL60 but appears to run fine in PAL50.
Post by: No_Name on February 15, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
Ninja Giden did not have an option for PAL 50/60. Like all Xbox games it picked the display mode you the user had set in the dashboard.
Post by: Ozy on February 15, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(No_Name @ Feb 15 2006, 06:20 PM)
Ninja Giden did not have an option for PAL 50/60. Like all Xbox games it picked the display mode you the user had set in the dashboard.
That's what I ment. DoA 4 doesn't give you to option. You load it in PAL50 and it disables all controlls.
Post by: No_Name on February 15, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Its got 3 little screens above it with different symbols. I did not enter the menus of the TV at all
Post by: Joergen on February 15, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(death trap @ Feb 15 2006, 03:01 AM)
Most TVs built after about 1995 in the uk support both 50Hz and 60Hz. Ive owened 8 different tvs since 95 and all but a matsui 14" portable supported 60Hz, I guess you've just been unlucky with your tv.
You can get a 28" widescreen for under £100 if you hunt about on the net, I'm currently enjoying DOA4 on a 28" widesreen that cost less that two xbox games.
Quoted for the truth, but actually PAL60 is from 1987 or at least that is the first TV I've had that supported it via RGB scart.
I guess if you buy the cheapest each time you can succeed in getting a non PAL60 tv up until around 1995 afterwhich any TV with a scart or s-video input supports PAL60 and even direct NTSC via composite and RF.
The poster has managed to fool alot of people into thinking this is some sort of issue, when infact either his knowledge of which input his TV requires to support PAL60 is lacking or he's just bitching because his grandma TV doesnt support it.
edit: according to the VERY lacking specs in the link you posted, it should support NTSC through RF or even composite (though would require a switch in the menus if no autodetection) and even has a D-SUB VGA input that you can use.. just get the VGA cable!
Post by: Carlo210 on February 16, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on February 16, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Feb 16 2006, 09:53 AM)
I'm probably missing something, but what do you guys mean by 'switching it to 60hz mode'?
It refers to the refresh rate 60Hz refreshes the screen's content 60 times per second, 50Hz refreshes the screen's content 50 times per second. Computer monitors can typically accept a wide range of refresh rates but TVs are locked down to a set standard... in NA we only have the one standard but in europe they have 2
you're in Canada... and like the US we only have 1 video mode (60Hz) so we don't have any options to switch from one mode to the other.
Europe used to use 50Hz, and has started adopting 60Hz so some content is in one mode and some content is in the other.
North America and Japan are known as "NTSC" and Europe and Australia are known as "PAL" countries it used to be that NTSC meant 60Hz and PAL meant 50Hz but since europe and other PAL countries started adopting 60Hz standards they started referring to them as PAL50 and PAL60... There are other differences between PAL and NTSC (like resolution) so it makes snese why they'd call it PAL50 and PAL60 as opposed to calling it NTSC but it really just adds unnecessary confusion.
Post by: No_Name on February 16, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
Most PAL TVs can also refresh at 60hz or 60 frames per second.
Now. I know my TV at home and the TV I have here on my desk both auto switch depending on the input but some TVs have the display mode set by the user using a button on the remote or from the TV menu
Post by: jbp20717 on February 16, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
I also remember Project Gotham Racing saves being lost when I went from using a 60hz TV to a 50hz. It's possible that it does it to avoid mixing acheived times e.g. on most Nintendo 64 games like Mario Kart 64, the NTSC - which ran by default at 60hz - version was 20% faster than the PAL version.
Post by: No_Name on February 16, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
Now it did depend on the cable I used to connect the device to my TV, the SCART Socket and input I was using as much as the TV.
Post by: envy on February 16, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Big thanks to No_Name who had the right answer.
Basically there is a button (but does nothing if not in AV mode) that changes to PAL setting.
Luckily realised this before i throw the tele out the window
Tho im going to try PD0,PRG if they are ok on 60hz ill leave it on 60 for the forseeable!
Anyway was it worth all the hassle? Im not too sure, DOA4 is a good game visually but dont like the gameplay(AI too hard, the combinations which make no sense in english translation), and even the story? I mean what story lol.
Anyway thanks for your help guys
- before anyone starts flaming - yes im everything you say i am lol.
Post by: No_Name on February 16, 2006, 11:09:00 AM