Post by: Deftech on November 28, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
if it "looks" anything like that pile when its finished, I'll pass.
enjoy...
http://www.xbox365.c...PudiLiL11281159
I don't care how good the gameplay is, that NFS game looks and smells like ass. The best gameplay in the world cant save a Burnout for me if it resembles NFS on 360.
Post by: incognegro on November 28, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: DaGamePimp on November 28, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Nov 28 2005, 10:18 PM) 
Looks like its using the NFS:MW engine
if it "looks" anything like that pile when its finished, I'll pass.
enjoy...
http://www.xbox365.c...PudiLiL11281159
I don't care how good the gameplay is, that NFS game looks and smells like ass. The best gameplay in the world cant save a Burnout for me if it resembles NFS on 360.
A bit harsh on NFS:MW , it actually does play well if you give it a chance (which you probably did not from the sounds of it , as well as sounding like an EA basher who hates everything they do) .
As long as 360 Burnout remains true to the Burnout series then who cares what engine it uses , besides the fact that EA is not actually doing the game and Criterion is one amazing developer I would not be too quick to judge .
I mean no offense and only wanted to state that you are being a bit 'heavy handed' with your comments regardless of your opinion , which is certainly your right to have .
--DGP--
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on November 28, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on November 29, 2005, 07:48:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=464358
if these pics are the real thing then i dont think it looks half bad
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE(DaGamePimp @ Nov 28 2005, 06:30 PM)
As long as 360 Burnout remains true to the Burnout series then who cares what engine it uses , besides the fact that EA is not actually doing the game and Criterion is one amazing developer I would not be too quick to judge .
Ummm, EA actually bought and owns Criterion, they are not just the publisher like some people think.
Also, Renderware is just a middleware, not the burnout engine. Renderware was developed to help with making cross-platform games and that is why EA bought it.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 07:45:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 10:41 AM)
Ummm, EA actually bought and owns Criterion, they are not just the publisher like some people think.
Also, Renderware is just a middleware, not the burnout engine. Renderware was developed to help with making cross-platform games and that is why EA bought it.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 09:52 AM)
So, it's still the Criterion team doing the game... It's just like Activision buying Neversoft. Neversoft still makes Tony Hawk games and Activision puts them out.
Right..............so is that why Burnout went down the drain after Burnout 2 which is when EA bought Criterion? Is that why the last two Burnouts were filled with EA Trax? EA is in control, not Criterion...............
Let me give you a nice scenario. Say you own a company that makes orange soda. It is the best tasting orange soda there is. Then, Pepsi comes along and buys you. Pepsi starts changing the ingredients (and there is nothing you can do about it since they own the full rights now) and soon it tastes just like their orange soda. So who is really making your orange soda now?
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 11:13 AM)
Right..............so is that why Burnout went down the drain after Burnout 2 which is when EA bought Criterion? Is that why the last two Burnouts were filled with EA Trax? EA is in control, not Criterion...............
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Let me give you a nice scenario. Say you own a company that makes orange soda. It is the best tasting orange soda there is. Then, Pepsi comes along and buys you. Pepsi starts changing the ingredients (and there is nothing you can do about it since they own the full rights now) and soon it tastes just like their orange soda. So who is really making your orange soda now?
Then by your own example, it would behoove Pepsi to keep the ingredients the same to maximize profit; unless they are trying to destroy competition. But that doesn't make good business sense if they just paid top dollar for the recipe. Why ruin what you just paid to make money off of?Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 09:53:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 11:34 AM)
Then by your own example, it would behoove Pepsi to keep the ingredients the same to maximize profit; unless they are trying to destroy competition.
Take note the words in bold. Isnt that why EA is buying most of the market
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But that doesn't make good business sense if they just paid top dollar for the recipe. Why ruin what you just paid to make money off of?
Many of things in the business world are bought for the name, not whats behind the name. Take Fanta for example. The recipe that Coca-Cola uses is not the same as the original by Max Keith who invented fanta in 1940 in Germany.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 01:00 PM)
Take note the words in bold. Isnt that why EA is buying most of the market
Many of things in the business world are bought for the name, not whats behind the name. Take Fanta for example. The recipe that Coca-Cola uses is not the same as the original by Max Keith who invented fanta in 1940 in Germany.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 12:37 PM)
I won't dispute EA's intentions, as they are notorious for putting out lackluster recycled waste year after year. But as long as Alex Ward is creative director and Paul Ross is executive producer, I feel safe knowing that Burnout is moving progressively.
Then please explain the real difference between Burnout Takedown and Burnout revenge. To me, the games play the same and look the same. Revenge was more like a lackluster expansion pack, like EA always does year after year. The fun only lasted for about a week, the game was even easier than takedown.............how is that moving forward? I thought having a new challenge was moving forward, not taking the challenge away.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 01:47 PM)
Then please explain the real difference between Burnout Takedown and Burnout revenge. To me, the games play the same and look the same. Revenge was more like a lackluster expansion pack, like EA always does year after year. The fun only lasted for about a week, the game was even easier than takedown.............how is that moving forward? I thought having a new challenge was moving forward, not taking the challenge away.
I do believe the game was rushed at the behest of EA, but at the same time, how much further do you want a racing game to go at the end of the Xbox's life? I feel they've wrung the system dry and I look forward to improvements on 360. If you really want, I'll forward you the letter I wrote to Alex Ward with regards to my thoughts on improving the game. It's only 6 pages long.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 01:01 PM)
The difference was the addition of Traffic Checking, Combatative raceways, and a revamped Crash Mode.
Like I said, things that are done with expansion packs.
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They are adding new things in an attempt to make it better and while you may not like the new additions, others might.
They can add all the shit in the world but if the game doesnt present me a new challenge (not just new modes) they are not moving forward. This holds true for any game.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 02:09 PM)
Like I said, things that are done with expansion packs.
They can add all the shit in the world but if the game doesnt present me a new challenge (not just new modes) they are not moving forward. This holds true for any game.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 01:18 PM)
Ok... then what have they added to PE5 that wasn't present in the past 4 games? Better graphics? It's all just kicking a ball around. Why not just call it Pro Evo Expansion 4?
Have you even really played PES5 and not just the demo? It is very different than PES4 gameplay wise. The graphics are the same, some faces look better but thats all. The game does not even play the same as PES4. Go read some PES forums, you can't play PES5 the way you played PES4, you have to learn a whole new game. Many people are having a problem with this because it presents a new challenge, not just new modes. Hardcore footie fans like myself are overjoyed by this. Like I said, just check out some of the forums.www.pesinsight.com
www.soccergaming.com
www.pesfan.com
www.evo-web.co.uk
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 02:28 PM)
Have you even really played PES5 and not just the demo? It is very different than PES4 gameplay wise. The graphics are the same, some faces look better but thats all. The game does not even play the same as PES4. Go read some PES forums, you can't play PES5 the way you played PES4, you have to learn a whole new game. Many people are having a problem with this. Like I said, just check out some of the forums.Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 01:37 PM)
I've played soccer for the past 18 years (I started when I was 4, I'm 25... minus 3 years of college) and I'll tell you, soccer hasn't changed much. As a result, gameplay shouldn't change much. The control tightness maybe, but not the style.
By your logic then all footie games should play the same since soccer hasnt changed
Do all teams play the same style in real life? I don't think so. Do all players play the same style in real life? No, far from it. Lets stop preaching BS here buddy.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 02:45 PM)
Isnt that the difference between FIFA and PES, the style of play. By your logic then, all footie games should play the same since soccer hasnt changed
Please, go register at any of those four forums and try to say that PES5 hasnt drastically changed from PES4 and we will see how fast people tell you otherwise.
Anyway, YES, the difference between FIFA and PES5 is gameplay. It's also the difference between Burnout and Flatout, SSX and Amped, CoD and MoH, Forza and GT4. Gameplay is the most important aspect of a game. But gameplay and it's respective challenge stems from the new additions added to games and in the case of Burnout 3 vs. Burnout Revenge... the gameplay was adequately changed to present a fresh take on an aging series. If you didn't like the new gameplay mechanics, then that explains why you don't think Burnout Revenge was an improvement over Burnout 3. The reason I singled out PES (despite the fact that I know you worship it
) is because it's a soccer game and the basic principles of the game itself haven't changed much. It's the gameplay that defines the game and you have to agree with that by your own volition.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on November 29, 2005, 12:18:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 29 2005, 01:56 PM)
They should disable the eyeroll face... it's really fucking annoying. I don't mind debate, but I hate condescending attitude and that smiley is the epitome of condescending.
Sorry, but you brought in PES5 as if it hasnt changed from PES4, which is far from true. Dont make such false assumptions and I wont be condescending.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on November 29, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 29 2005, 03:25 PM)
Sorry, but you brought in PES5 as if it hasnt changed from PES4, which is far from true. Dont make such false assumptions and I wont be condescending.