Post by: Xbox-Scene on March 04, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
Microsoft responds to Latest 360 vs PS3 Multi-Platform Comparison Posted by XanTium | March 4 22:58 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: davinator456 on March 04, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
It only makes sense that as time progresses there will be some games that look better/run better on the PS3.
That being said- I'll take my 360 over a PS3 any day of the week.
But seriously... who really cares about acheivement points? I mean they are kind of cool..... but not the worlds greatest invention or anything.
This post has been edited by davinator456: Mar 5 2008, 06:14 AM
Post by: LegendDJ on March 04, 2008, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: majik655 on March 04, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(davinator456 @ Mar 4 2008, 09:14 PM) 
The PS3 came out a year later. It uses a Bluray drive and it probably seems like the more powerful machine when it's specs are compared to the 360.
It only makes sense that as time progresses there will be some games that look better/run better on the PS3.
That being said- I'll take my 360 over a PS3 any day of the week.
But seriously... who really cares about acheivement points? I mean they are kind of cool..... but not the worlds greatest invention or anything.
Agreed.
"The cold, hard truth is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree."
Yeah until like the GamePro editorial suggested..."PS3 port quality is on the RISE"
They came out a year apart.. sony will rise...
then of course m$ will rise with something else...
Thats how competition works.
Post by: HughDaHand on March 04, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: GerbilJammer on March 04, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: i800phyco on March 04, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
I think there main appeal is some of them challenge you, I enjoy that.
Post by: gcskate27 on March 04, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: gAm3 Fr3aQu3 on March 04, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
QUOTE(davinator456 @ Mar 4 2008, 10:14 PM) 
But seriously... who really cares about acheivement points? I mean they are kind of cool..... but not the worlds greatest invention or anything.
Exactly what I was thinking. I see no advantage with those achievement points. If it makes people feel better with those points, then I guess... whatever floats your boat???
I really think it's silly to say that those points give the 360 an upper hand when the truth is that the system came out 1 year ahead of the PS3 and Wii (reason for poor/cheap design that causes RRoD... rush job???) and that gave them the lead in sales and supporters.
Post by: metalcoat on March 04, 2008, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: dokworm on March 04, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
I mean the hardcore gamer market is already pretty saturated, they don't care about how noisy or unreliable or bluray or not etc. they just want killer games in a few set genres.
The real growth in the coming year will have to come from the guys and gals that like their games but need to justify the console to their partners, or to themselves.
For these poeple, things like blu-ray and quiet running and wifi etc. *are* important. It won't really matter to them which console runs the game *slightly* better than the other, only that game X is available for it.
This is where MS could drop the ball, lots of my friends are second tier gamers, and they love movies as well, most are now looking at the PS3 instead of the 360, even though most are also xbox1 owners. they like that they can put their own hard drive in it, that it is relatively quiet, that it has bluray capability, and that there isn't a lot of 'buzz' around about them failing hardware-wise.
They look at the games coming out, and most are available for both, wether it be GTA, or rockband or if they like car racing, they can still get great driving games on *either* platform. they see it as a wash as far as games are concerned. at first glance they look the same on both platforms.
If MS put a bluray in it, or had a cheapish bluray addon, and the 360 was quieter, I think most would buy a 360 now, and get the bluray player (or not) later. it would make them safe knowing there was the option.
The 360 is going to look overpriced and a bit tired features-wise soon, and a lot of second tier buyers just look at the specsheet.
Hmm this one has wireless, a bluray player, is quieter and the other one doesn't. they both have games I want. If I option the MS one up with wireless and the 120GB it comes to more money and I don't get bluray.
as long as the PS3 gets a halfway decent games library up this year, I think MS is going to struggle.
Sony has a history of making them smaller and cheaper, and more manufacturers of Bluray drives should help with that. If sony brings out a smaller, cheaper PS3 this year, then MS will have serious trouble on its hands.
Post by: metalgear1 on March 04, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(metalcoat @ Mar 5 2008, 12:58 AM)
I have to say from the amount of people that beg for one game just so they can get achievements its just crazy. They are addicting to some people and they have to have all of them. Too many people want them, they want that tagged to their gamertag apparently.
Guilty, I own a PS3, Love Uncharted and Resistance too, That said,If given the chance to play either of those on my 360 I would, Am I an adict? NO
but I do find it quit satisfying when killing dudes online to suddenly have that popup tell me I have just killed 50 people with headshots,
Just something about it appeals to me,And many others too I'm sure. Like I said I'm not an adict, although I have called an achievement whore
Post by: trey85stang on March 04, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Ddude723 on March 04, 2008, 11:55:00 PM
Also the argument of paying for live is getting really stale. Assuming that you pay $50 for 12 months, it's only $4.17 a month. After tax it will be a little bit more, but that's still so cheap! My lunch easily costs more than that daily. Besides, it's easy to get live for cheap. I just ordered a 12+1 subscription on buy.com and after google checkout it was only $28.75 after shipping and tax. That's only $2.21 a month!
This post has been edited by Ddude723: Mar 5 2008, 08:00 AM
Post by: sunn02 on March 05, 2008, 12:37:00 AM
Post by: MaulerX on March 05, 2008, 01:04:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 5 2008, 02:42 AM)
You can downplay achievement points as much as you want, but the point is that Gamepro's editors were pretty biased in their article (for those of you who've yet to read it).
The games they used for comparison didn't even back up their opinions.
M$ has every right to defend their product, and achievement points ARE something that they can brag about as an extra perk for Xbox 360 owners....
Agreed 110%. I love achievements and my buddies and I use it as a "game within a game"
where we always try to one up each other.
If it wasn't a factor then why is SONY trying so hard to implement it into "Home" with a trophy system? And why did capcom include "accomplishments" into the PS3 version of DMC4?
No doubt was that article biased and full of errors (COD4 does not have dedicated servers on PS3).
No one can blame M$ from disagreeing with trash like that.
Post by: irnchriz on March 05, 2008, 02:25:00 AM
).I got it for uncharted which I had played a little of and thought that it was pretty good. I also got heavenly sword and ratchet and clank too. To be perfectly honest these three games are pretty nice and the further you get into uncharted the better the graphics get. I have also setup remote play and have used it to watch Divx and Xvid content on my PSPwhich is quite handy (I can catch up on lost while in the bath).
Now, here's the but, graphically it has not blown me away and I haven't seen a single thing that couldn't be reproduced on the 360.
The XMB is a mess (the custom themes ARE good though, and tools are available to make your own).
The PSN shop could be done much better.
I haven't played online yet so i can't comment on that, but, I have no problems shelling out for my gold membership on the 360 as I feel that i get back more than my moneys worth.
Overall, considering what i paid for it, I will only be buying PS3 exclusive games until such time where a multi platform title is vastly superior on the PS3 (none so far). These exclusive games are solid enough but the implementation of the XMB has missed the mark.
Post by: openxdkman on March 05, 2008, 03:02:00 AM
These achievements points can be seen as a bad point by most 'wise' people.
MS shouldn't talk so loudly about them, that will scare all parents.
It's not a quality of 360. It's a drug used to catch consumers.
Examine some achievements... They can be taken only by replaying several times the same game... Nothing is better than that for ruining your real life free time... and bring you nothing in return, except ego.
A journalist wrote some time ago he lost all his points (after a HDD replacement I think). His conclusion? He felt angry, then relieved. Freed...
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on March 05, 2008, 04:28:00 AM
If i wanted a HD player too, i would happily get a PS3. As a games machine, Xbox 360 wins hands down
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 05, 2008, 07:05:00 AM
Here's Some food for thought:
1. Achievements and Gamerscore Achievements and Gamerscore are NOT THE SAME THING, what you're all referring to as "Achievement points" is gamerscore, there is no such thing as "Achievement points"... That may just be semantics but let me explain why this is important...
Achievements provide a list of goals for the game, Lets say you finish the story on a game and it takes you 12 hours to do... what do you do now? with most consoles you'd just throw the game on the shelf and pickup something new, with Achievements you have a list of challenges you can attempt to get more replay value out of the game.
It's worth MUCH MUCH more than a point value... it's worth REPLAY VALUE. Through Achievements I've got double to triple the replay value out of nearly every game I own, that alone is cause for me to buy the 360 version with all other things being equal.
real "Gamerscore whores" don't care how good a game is, they're content playing the trashy games based off of kids movies because they're easy points. These people don't play games like DMC4 because it's too difficult to get points.
2. The GamePro Article showed no PS3 benefit to graphics Nearly all of you assumed that the GamePro article was giving an edge to the PS3 in terms of graphics... have any of you actually READ the GamePro Article? out of the 4 games they compared they noticed a differences in graphics in 2 of the games, and both of them gave the edge (albeit slight) to the 360...
3. The biggest difference was controller layout and online servers If there was no real difference in graphics then what was the difference you might ask? Apparently DMC4 was a "clear winner" on PS3 because they thought the controller layout was better... yup according to GamePro the face buttons on the PS3 controller were easier to hit than the 360 controller... I don't know how that's possible really, and personally I don't care what the journalist says about the controllers I find the PS controller design to be incredibly uncomfortable no matter what game I'm playing.
COD4 was "better on PS3" because of "dedicated servers" which is untrue, COD4 does not have dedicated servers on PS3, this was such a important point to the article that they even made some huge graphics to hit the point home that the 360 sucks because it didn't have dedicated servers...
and both COD4 and Burnout revenge were "better on PS3" because the match making interface was slightly faster and easier to use... Really? is that a worth while selling point?
I can see how some x-plat games will have a more streamlined online interface on non-360 platforms because the developers can roll their own, but the 360 is standardized and better than average across the board with IMO is much better than having a few good online interfaces and a loot of crappy ones.
Not to mention, if I'm buying a game based on multiplayer, I'm going to buy the one for the platform that all of my friends own (playing with strangers is overrated), and right now, none of my friends own PS3s.
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I encourage all of you to actually read the GamePro article, the impression I got is that the author knew what he wanted for the outcome and then wrote the article to support his desired result.
Post by: VooD on March 05, 2008, 07:21:00 AM
Also most of their reasons to choose ps3 are really childish and lacking of real weight.
Post by: davinator456 on March 05, 2008, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE(trey85stang @ Mar 5 2008, 01:46 AM)
ms can go on about achievments being a deciding factor.. but I think more along the lines of... do I want to play this game online for free... or will I rather not play it online.
Or you could save your allowance and pay 50 bucks for an entire year.....
Post by: chronno on March 05, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Back when I got my first PS1 I liked that controller the best until I got my mad cats wireless controller for the xbox and the 360's is even better. Now I don't want to go back to the PS controller.
As for graphics, with the hardware that was jammed into the PS3, if it doesn't pump out un-debatably better graphics its a loss for the PS3.
Then there are the games. For multi platform games I'd go with the 360 because I believe it's the best system. I haven't seen any exclusive games that I would like. I'm sure that would change once I get a PS3 as long as they have the free demo downloads like XBL.
on a side question, how do I figure out my 360 version number. I've searched up and down the X-S forums and Google but can't find anything.
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 05, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(chronno @ Mar 5 2008, 12:31 PM)
...on a side question, how do I figure out my 360 version number. I've searched up and down the X-S forums and Google but can't find anything.
no hdmi port = v1
hdmi port and 203W power consumption = v2
hdmi port and 175W power consumption = v3
for the power consumption you can check the ouside of the cardboard box your console came in (it's printed right on it), I'm not sure where else you could find that info.
v4+ aren't out yet (but they have been rumored/announced) theoretically a v4 5 or 6 would have a power consumption of around 140-150W
Post by: Havok on March 05, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
A new game coming out "Universe At War" will actually give you a gameplay benefit when you get an achievement! (Its an RTS game and the units will be stronger, etc after you get the acheievement)
If people really like this experiment then more developers will use it and the 360 acheivement system takes on a whole different dimension and level.
Post by: xess on March 05, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 5 2008, 09:12 PM)
no hdmi port = v1
hdmi port and 203W power consumption = v2
hdmi port and 175W power consumption = v3
for the power consumption you can check the ouside of the cardboard box your console came in (it's printed right on it), I'm not sure where else you could find that info.
v4+ aren't out yet (but they have been rumored/announced) theoretically a v4 5 or 6 would have a power consumption of around 140-150W
I have an Elite with a 203W power consumption (it is also printed on the power brick)- Am i right in saying I have a v2 zephyr?
Post by: logicbomb.de on March 05, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Mar 5 2008, 06:16 PM)
I love going for achievements, and last night I managed to get "Mile High" on veteran in COD4 giving me the full 1000 points. The only other game I have a full score for is King Kong so I am well pleased! If it wasn't for the achievements I would have never bothered so I agree with Twisted about the replay value.
I have an Elite with a 203W power consumption (it is also printed on the power brick)- Am i right in saying I have a v2 zephyr?
Yes, you are correct.
Post by: shenmuemaster on March 06, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: KaRiL on March 06, 2008, 11:50:00 AM
nearly every game I've played has some sort of achievement list, Resistance, Rachet, Drakes
the only differences being a) no gamerscore to go with them B)they usually reward you with something in-game (new outfit, cheats, weapons etc)
so saying they are absent from the PS3 is false
I think the bigger issue for some of you is that nobody can see you've achieved them.
So the replay value is there, but not the bragging rights. I'm not dismissing bragging rights, as that's the source of competition, which is cool, but don't distort the issue by pretending that replay value is absent from the PS3. All that's missing, for some of you, is motivation.