Post by: Deftech on September 14, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
what does matter is that sega was a fast sinking company(in the red for years on end) and didnt have a choice when parent company CSK pulled the plug.
MS is the exact opposite. Their strings arent pulled by anyone outside their company and their pockets are deep.
Post by: Deftech on September 14, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Loaded_Gun_Complex on September 15, 2006, 12:19:00 AM
Post by: redwolf on September 15, 2006, 03:40:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Sep 14 2006, 11:28 PM) 
help it survive the Ps3 onslaught?
omfg, attack the weak point for massive damage, with the real time weapon change.
Post by: incognegro on September 15, 2006, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 15, 2006, 06:02:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Sep 14 2006, 06:28 PM)
Anyway, I think the fact that the 360 will have almost all the good looking games the Ps3 has will work in its favour - and obviously live will too, but..........
1. the DC had MUCH better games than the ps2 launch....
"Good looking" and "better" games don't matter one iota...
It's about the games people WANT TO PLAY... if I WANT TO PLAY Grand Theft Auto... and someone tries to give me Saints Row... even if it has a laundry list of what makes it "better" and even if it's far more "good looking" people will buy the console that has GTA because that's what they want to play...
Take Japan for instance... the winner in japan has always been the console with final fantasy on it. Why? because that's the game people want to play. Enchanted Arms is an awesome JRPG Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey look equally impressive, but regardless of how great those games are, people want to play Final Fantasy and that's what they'll keep playing, and that's the console they'll keep buying.
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In March of 2006 Japanese Famitsu magazine readers voted on their 100 all-time favorite games. (Full list)
The top ten games picked by fans were:
1. Final Fantasy X (2001)
2. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
3. Dragon Quest III (1988)
4. Dragon Quest VIII (2004)
5. Machi (1998)
6. Final Fantasy IV (1991)
7. Tactics Ogre (1995)
8. Final Fantasy III (1990)
9. Dragon Quest VII (2000)
10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
The top ten games picked by fans were:
1. Final Fantasy X (2001)
2. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
3. Dragon Quest III (1988)
4. Dragon Quest VIII (2004)
5. Machi (1998)
6. Final Fantasy IV (1991)
7. Tactics Ogre (1995)
8. Final Fantasy III (1990)
9. Dragon Quest VII (2000)
10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
Lets look at that in terms of developer:
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1. Square-Enix
2. Square-Enix
3. Square-Enix
4. Square-Enix
5. Chunsoft
6. Square-Enix
7. Square-Enix
8. Square-Enix
9. Square-Enix
10. Nintendo
If Microsoft can't convince Square-Enix to make games (particularly their Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest Series) EXCLUSIVE for their console, they'll never be number 1 in Japan.
Similarly People like Gran Turismo, Forza looks better, plays better, has more features, etc etc etc but it's not Gran Turismo and because of that Gran Turismo fans will never be swooned by it.
What MS needs to do is work on NEW franchises that don't have some kind of counterpart on the Playstation... Halo is a perfect example. The PS was lacking heavily in the FPS department, so MS made a fresh FPS game and now they own the must have FPS franchise... try as Sony might they can make as many FPS games as they want that are "better" or more "good looking" then Halo but unless they actually ARE Halo they wont convert any Halo fans.
Advertising is another thing... honestly while I enjoy the Jump in ads like the Balloon fight and the Gun Fight etc. They really suck... The one PS3 ad I saw was total BS but it was a GOOD AD and any non-tech savvy person would easily be convinced that the PS3 was the best console to buy... heck if what they implied in the ad was actually true I would have been sold myself.
Post by: incognegro on September 15, 2006, 07:59:00 AM
I think ive mentioned something like this before, MS just have to create original franchises. Games that define MS or Xbox. If you look at it, both nintendo and sony have no real new original franchises for their systems. Its all re hashes and sequels, But MS is the new kid on the block so they have to feel new and not just a PS alternative. Some games that by name alone brings "xbox" to mind (like halo,forza). GOW is a step in the right direction and to be honest, I like the fact that the games MS has on the horizon are games that might sprout original franchises (like alan wake, crackdown). Dead rising and lost planet are good system defining games but they are from a third party so it might even end up on someone else's console.
Post by: redwolf on September 15, 2006, 08:14:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
Take Japan for instance... the winner in japan has always been the console with final fantasy on it. Why? because that's the game people want to play.
thank the lord i'm not Japanese. they need to get a life and stop playing RPG with the stupid random grid based fight, characters with massive purple afro, and with huge enemy crabs.
xbox is for hardcore gamers not for some sissy boys. take for example, every time i get girl friends in, they don't wanna even touch the x360, they always complaining i'm playing too many shooting games graw, halo etc.
but overall different continent prefers different game type, e.g. US loves their fps, europe loves their racing, and the damn japaneses with their RPG.
Post by: nickthegreat on September 15, 2006, 03:21:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
"Good looking" and "better" games don't matter one iota...
It's about the games people WANT TO PLAY... if I WANT TO PLAY Grand Theft Auto... and someone tries to give me Saints Row... even if it has a laundry list of what makes it "better" and even if it's far more "good looking" people will buy the console that has GTA because that's what they want to play...
Agreed, but surely then it must be a matter of hype that makes a game good.
Its not like GT created a genre: Therefore why does MS have to find a new franchise, but sony did not have to before them?
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
Take Japan for instance... the winner in japan has always been the console with final fantasy on it. Why? because that's the game people want to play. Enchanted Arms is an awesome JRPG Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey look equally impressive, but regardless of how great those games are, people want to play Final Fantasy and that's what they'll keep playing, and that's the console they'll keep buying.
Lets look at that in terms of developer:
If Microsoft can't convince Square-Enix to make games (particularly their Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest Series) EXCLUSIVE for their console, they'll never be number 1 in Japan.
Neither will Sony. Vending machines dispensing 14 year old's panties will always be number 1 in Japan. Japan can suck my balls
No offense, I know you like the turn based stuff, but I can't stand a game where your position on the screen barely makes a difference to who wins the fight (KOTOR..............)
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
Similarly People like Gran Turismo, Forza looks better, plays better, has more features, etc etc etc but it's not Gran Turismo and because of that Gran Turismo fans will never be swooned by it.
but how did GT ever establish itself then?
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
What MS needs to do is work on NEW franchises that don't have some kind of counterpart on the Playstation... Halo is a perfect example. The PS was lacking heavily in the FPS department, so MS made a fresh FPS game and now they own the must have FPS franchise...
yup, this is a good strategy. But there aren't many similar opportunities.......
Its worth noting that quite a few GT fans have actually started to appreciate the superiority of Forza....
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
try as Sony might they can make as many FPS games as they want that are "better" or more "good looking" then Halo but unless they actually ARE Halo they wont convert any Halo fans.
I think the "speech marks" here are very important, and the word "try".
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 PM)
Advertising is another thing... honestly while I enjoy the Jump in ads like the Balloon fight and the Gun Fight etc. They really suck... The one PS3 ad I saw was total BS but it was a GOOD AD ??????? and any non-tech savvy person would easily be convinced that the PS3 was the best console to buy... heck if what they implied in the ad was actually true I would have been sold myself.
what the boxing one? you've got to be joking.........
so what your saying there is that sony's success relies on a combination of lies and the ignorance of the majority....... aka great marketing skill.
I do agree with your post, that is the way for MS to dominate - but why did Sony not have to do the same? (i suppose it never really dominated the platform/cartoon racer/western Rpg genre - read mario/mario kart/zelda) This is what puzzles me - Sony hasn't really dominated any genre......