Post by: prankfurter on December 20, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(rfmok @ Dec 20 2005, 12:48 PM) 
Keep it clean and nice please
this made me laugh after your post title... lol
Post by: crobar on December 20, 2005, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: spinr34 on December 20, 2005, 10:13:00 AM
Post by: spinr34 on December 20, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: mathias on December 20, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on December 20, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
QUOTE(spinr34 @ Dec 20 2005, 12:20 PM)
go look up console emulators for PC, the history of them, you'll see the same problems and time is always the factor which results in them working right.
well, i think thats partially code improvments and partially the machines that are doing the emulating getting better. the 360 will get code improvments, but the hardware is what the hardware is. the question is how much improvement they will be able to make. i don't see to much need for improvement though other then more stuff on the compatibility list since all my xbox games i've tried in it have worked great.
Post by: Gbeav on December 20, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(rfmok @ Dec 20 2005, 11:03 AM)
Right right. But not everyone can do that because some people just have the 360.
Backwards compatabilty was a extra added on for people that do own xbox1 games. I don't think you can really complain if you just own a 360 and you complain you can't play games that arn't designed for a 360.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on December 20, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Gbeav @ Dec 20 2005, 03:22 PM)
Emulation is a very bad option but they had no choice.
They had a choice, it was their own fault they pissed off Nvidia a couple years back.............
Post by: deftonesmx17 on December 20, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Gbeav @ Dec 20 2005, 03:57 PM)
It was MS's choice to not just release with stock computer parts again. And I give them kudos for trying to come up with a real console design. You just have to accept it or buy a PS3 if it bothers you that much.
Not stock computer parts, I wouldnt say that. A real console design
Is that why ATI has talks of their new desktop GPU with 48 shaders named the R580? Is that why the tri-core CPU is nothing more than a simple tri-core PowerPC CPU. Is that why is uses GDDR3? Seems like a computer to me with computer parts.
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 20, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Like others have said: give it time.
Halo 2 alone has already had at least 4 profile updates since launch... and it hasn't even been out a month yet. In 6 months to a years time a lot of the bigger problems we're seeing will be a thing of the past and the compatible games list will have grown dramatically.
I remember when I had a SNES emulator for my PC... the BEST emulator available ran most games like total CRAP... now look at the SNES emulation on the Xbox, it's pretty much flawless and even some of the games that suffered from slowdowns on the SNES hardware run smooth and in HD resolutions... I'm sure the Xbox emulator on the 360 will be no different. I would imagine that progress will be made much faster on the Xbox emulator too seeing as MS has dedicated emulation people working on it full time as opposed to the homebrew emulators that people are simply doing as a hobby.
deftonesmx17 Let's not have you Hijack another Xbox360 thread into a PC discussion again. If you want to talk about BC emulation on the Xbox360 feel free but if you want to talk about PCs or how much a 360 is like a PC you can do so elsewhere (at least in the hardware forum... this is the GAME forum).
Post by: deftonesmx17 on December 20, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Dec 20 2005, 04:06 PM)
deftonesmx17 Let's not have you Hijack another Xbox360 thread into a PC discussion again. If you want to talk about BC emulation on the Xbox360 feel free but if you want to talk about PCs or how much a 360 is like a PC you can do so elsewhere (at least in the hardware forum... this is the GAME forum).
I wasnt turning it into a PC discussion. I was only correcting what someone said.
Post by: feflicker on December 20, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: Gbeav on December 20, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Dec 20 2005, 05:26 PM)
In the long run emulation is great because you can move your games library to new hardware (next gen consoles) without embedding custom chips that provide the emulation functionality.
In addition it makes sense for MS to solve the problem with software rather than hardware because they are a software company.
Ha, please hope for us that they are better at that than programming windows
Post by: KMFDM on December 20, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 21, 2005, 04:09:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 21, 2005, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Dec 21 2005, 06:16 AM)
... Because i'd rather play in on my 360 in psuado 720p with 2x AA.
Boy Howdy to THAT!
Now if only the profile for Splinter Cell Chaos Theory worked...
Post by: jherre6 on December 21, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Dec 20 2005, 10:06 PM)
emulation always starts out rough...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on December 21, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
QUOTE(KMFDM @ Dec 20 2005, 10:51 PM)
honestly i dont see anyone playing any ps1 games or even most ps2 games on the ps3.
Really, thats odd since many people like to play their PSX game so often that they have a PSX EMU on the xbox.
Post by: KMFDM on December 21, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on December 21, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(KMFDM @ Dec 21 2005, 02:12 PM)
i didnt say xbox i said ps3
You're right, but my point was stating that if people will play PSX games half-assed on their xbox, they will definitely play them on the PS3.
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 21, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(jherre6 @ Dec 21 2005, 10:52 AM)
...Zelda Ocarina of time.. Played great on the 64.. I loved that game.. Try it in any 64 emulator, and it kinda, not really works. Now gamecube had a zelda bundle a while ago, that came with this on disc.. Why was it so easy? Because they had the source. (I don't beive this game was ported to work with the gamecube, I think it was run under some emulator on that disc). ...
Yes it was emulated. I've actually seen the emulation portion extracted with a wrapper that allows you to insert other N64 roms to play on your GC... and guess what. Most of them run like crap. I'm sure if MS was going to write an emulator that was ONLY going to ever emulate Halo 2 then it would be near flawless right now... However they're not trying to JUST emulate Halo 2, they're trying to emulate as much of the Xbox catalog as possible.
Not to mention Nintendo quite often creates PC emulators for their consoles for testing purposes. There are infact official (non-public) emulators for DS, GBA, etc. sufficent to say they may have already had a N64 emulator written that they simply ported over.
Trying to recreate an entire set of hardware and software with more software is no easy task. Doing it for one game is relatively easy by comparison.
Not to mention most the games people are complaining about being problematic are also some of the most complex games available for Xbox meaning they're the most difficult to emulate.
Again I say give it time, emulation always starts out rough.
Post by: crobar on December 22, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: thorwren on December 22, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
Adam