Post by: metaldevil on December 04, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
Here are some ways you can build up your GP:
1) Buy game. Unlock achievements.
2) Rent game. Unlock achievements.
3) Borrow game from friend. Unlock achievements.
4) Let friend come over and unlock achievements that you can't.
5) Buy lame-ass strategy guide, and unlock achievements.
Why did I say biased? It doesn't show what games you own outside of Live Arcade games. With a strategy guide, you don't need much, if any, skill to breeze through a game. You can have a friend play the game in your stead. You see? Biased. All your Gamerscore tells anyone is what achievements have been unlocked for games on that particular gamertag.
You can't use them to buy anything. You can't trade them in for anything. I've just given examples that prove you don't have to own a game, be a good player, or even play the game yourself. So what's the point? Childish, biased bragging rights?
I thought there'd be something more to this, but something is clearly amiss.
Any thoughts?
Post by: Legendary Badass on December 04, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: Legendary Badass on December 04, 2005, 01:02:00 PM
Post by: Kernal69er on December 04, 2005, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Legendary Badass @ Dec 4 2005, 02:22 PM) 
Long ago I thought you could use your points to buy stuff from the marketplace. Right now it seems that you can use your score to help add to your profile. It shows what games you have played and if you are good someone may ask you for help with a particular game. It sort of helps to build the online community that MS wants you to experience.
Thisis what I thought alos, you would gain points and then you could buy online stuff. but now I see you have to pay for the MS points, BS
Post by: metaldevil on December 04, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Legendary Badass @ Dec 4 2005, 02:33 PM)
I'm not going to be satisfied till my score is at a million!
(IMG:http://img50.echo.cx/img50/2396/legendarybadass1gk.jpg)Satisfied? (IMG:http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_images/oldx/folder_post_icons/icon4.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: m_hael on December 04, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: LowProfileWurm on December 04, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
If you don't think they denote how good you are... trying getting 1M points on Geo. Wars!
Post by: Himura on December 04, 2005, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Dec 4 2005, 12:52 PM)
If you don't think they denote how good you are... trying getting 1M points on Geo. Wars!
Agree'd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Almost there.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Post by: cyberg4 on December 04, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Dec 4 2005, 01:52 PM)
If you don't think they denote how good you are... trying getting 1M points on Geo. Wars!
or score on a shootout in NKL 2K6 and get twice as many points (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 04, 2005, 05:28:00 PM
I really like the system, it encourages me to be a better gamer, Compare my achievements to those on my friends list.
it also is a way for people to look at my achievements and say "he's a good Racer but not a good Shooter... etc"
I've already had people message me to ask how I unlocked a particular achievement, and I played that person a few times since, it's someone I wouldn't have played otherwise.
Sure it's bragging rights too, but at least it's a more accurate depiction of someone's worth than your post count on XS (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: Legendary Badass on December 04, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
Also, the Hexic HD achievements are completely sick tough! Good luck getting 6 black pearls to create a flower formation.
Post by: metaldevil on December 04, 2005, 06:11:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Dec 4 2005, 06:59 PM)
Sure it's bragging rights too, but at least it's a more accurate depiction of someone's worth than your post count on XS (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Yes, that's pretty much what I mean: that they're not accurate. Ideally, it would work well within the honest among us, but there are always people looking to take the "cheating shortcut" to get their score to balloon up. I don't cheat or use guides, but I've come across some people (real people not forumites (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)) that have "insisted" that I use some of the methods mentioned above. It never crossed my mind that you could have someone play your game for you to inflate your GP. I overheard this guy talking to his buddy about the 360, so naturally I had to jump in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) He told me how if he's having trouble, he gets his little brother to beef up the score on his gamertag. I was awestruck. Tremendous. He wants the credit for someone else's work.QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Dec 4 2005, 03:52 PM)
If you don't think they denote how good you are... trying getting 1M points on Geo. Wars!
I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate achievements to be made. I'm saying that your Gamerscore isn't an accurate representation of your true skill. It's just a number that can be had honestly or dishonestly. It's pretty much useless, and it should not be something to solely gauge someone on.QUOTE(Legendary Badass @ Dec 4 2005, 07:08 PM)
Also, the Hexic HD achievements are completely sick tough! Good luck getting 6 black pearls to create a flower formation.
I'm having a hell of a time not accidentally making a cluster out of 3-5 star pieces. I always let those stupid things get a little too close to the bottom and accidentally trigger a combo that drops two or three star pieces on top of it clearing them off the board. Then I have to go back and make up those star pieces that were cleared out. I've yet to make one black pearl! I play it in short bursts. Luckily, the game saves my progress mid-game when I exit.
Post by: incognegro on December 04, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
QUOTE
I'm saying that your Gamerscore isn't an accurate representation of your true skill
you mean like how records sales isnt an acurate depiction of how talented, musically, you are? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Well thats life, deal with it....there just numbers
This post has been edited by incognegro: Dec 5 2005, 02:47 AM
Post by: m_hael on December 04, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
regardless it still looks impressive if it says you've completed a certain lap in NFS12 30 seconds faster than anyone else on the planet and you got the "best of the best" acheivement.... can't cheat to get that one now can you.
Post by: Marrvia on December 04, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: prankfurter on December 04, 2005, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: brooksie48 on December 04, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 04, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
Besides
I don't know if I'd consider looking at a guide cheating. I often hit up gamefaqs for the 2nd or 3rd time through a game, even if you're being told how to accomplish something you still have to DO it. Sure there are some "hidden" achievements, and some that are based purely on finding things "like metal pieces in condemned". But for the most part the achievements ARE skill or experience based...
Also if I had friends who were good enough in games to complete some of the harder challenges why would they want to help me? It'd be like trying to convince a friend who's good at a particular game at the arcade to put your initials in instead of his own... FAT CHANCE.
... uh
I can't remember where I was going with this so I'll just leave it at that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: tonloc79 on December 04, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: MadEx on December 05, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on December 05, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: dabigdilla on December 05, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Dec 5 2005, 07:05 AM)
although before the 360 launch i thought you would be able to earn credits based on your score and achievements i still like the whole concept even after learning i cant buy stuff with any points. i never really thought i would pay any attention to it but i take pride in my own personal profile and my reputation and gamerscore are a huge part of that. seeing how high my friends are gives me an idea of what kind of gamer they are. the achievement system allows people to know more about your likes when it comes to games and where your skills are. when i was playing PGR3, one of my friends pointed out how i got a hero medal, which means that i was featured on the heros channel, and i didnt even know it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) but when i found that out i thought it was awsome. i think MS reached their goal in giving us gamers a way to have a personal online experience and i commend them for that.
exactly the same here
Post by: Rubix42 on December 05, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
Having the achievements has already added replay value on Kameo for me. I beat the game, but still have incentive to keep playing it based on the achievements left. This is good because I would have felt like I wasted my cash if it was really that quick to beat.
Post by: LowProfileWurm on December 05, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
I probably would never have played thru Kameo a second time in co-op had it not been for the acheivements. I hate split screen, but there is an interest now that I know I should do it to earn gamerscore points.
It's fun to "kill" games, and the Achievements give me something to work for after I beat a game once. Kameo's co-op points is a perfect example.