Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
There are 10 vids out of the game and all are from TGS 2 weeks ago and this weeks X05. whats this E3 bs?
Different sites have HD versions, you need to start clicking on the links that pertain to the fuggin game and you'll find them.
I wont comment on the rest of the crap, not worth it.
Post by: Onetrack on October 06, 2005, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 12:02 PM)
I say youre confused when talking about Gears of War.
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Post by: ikecomp on October 06, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
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Post by: ikecomp on October 06, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 6 2005, 01:15 PM)
lol I think it's too early to fire anyone in M$'s marketing department.
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 06, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
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All I know Is In a few weeks m$ will blast off their true marketing campaingn..Im sure m$ could afford to do some marketing now but I think The 360 will be on every channel when they start the advertising....Im sure some people have no clue on what Is even coming out for 360...I was playing ghost recon summit stike yesterday and a few old friends were on and theybarelyknew about the 360 and the games...Im sure they will find out soon..
I want to know how much money m$ will spend.
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
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Sorry Onetrack, thanks for reminding me about the CoD 2 thing!
But how much else should they give us? If it was up to me, Id want videos of Cliffy playing thru a few maps in their entirity, and Im sure you agree. But that just wont happen. For a game thats far off like Gears is, we are getting more than I imagined.
Think about past launches, we never got this much info. We are spoiled is all, and its noones fault.
Xo5 is not part of the marketing push, and I wouldnt expect that to start until late october anyways.
If they spent 500 million on Xbox, expect more this time around.
Just relax, breathe and start planning launch day festivities
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
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I just want to see some official HD direct feeds of games on release day, that includes oblivion and PD0. They are the two games that I'm buying a 360 on release day for.
There are no official videos of these, only leaks that they didn't want us to see and old recorded videos. I want recent videos and for them to tell me what the game will look and feel like when it's finished.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
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M$ marketing is a joke, if they want real marketing they should hire the $ony crew, then they will have a hype machine
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:12:00 PM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 06, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
I want to know how much money m$ will spend.
Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
But how much else should they give us? If it was up to me, Id want videos of Cliffy playing thru a few maps in their entirity, and Im sure you agree. But that just wont happen. For a game thats far off like Gears is, we are getting more than I imagined.
Think about past launches, we never got this much info. We are spoiled is all, and its noones fault.
Xo5 is not part of the marketing push, and I wouldnt expect that to start until late october anyways.
If they spent 500 million on Xbox, expect more this time around.
Just relax, breathe and start planning launch day festivities
Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
There are no official videos of these, only leaks that they didn't want us to see and old recorded videos. I want recent videos and for them to tell me what the game will look and feel like when it's finished.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:12:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Oct 6 2005, 08:21 PM)
M$ marketing is a joke, if they want real marketing they should hire the $ony crew, then they will have a hype machine
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 06, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
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There is a little under 7 weeks left before launch...
Keep this in mind.
Hype is expensive to keep going. So they use the opposite of hype: The Unknown. The unknown is way more intriquing to people and it's free. Kinda like foreplay. It gives people the ability to try to figure out what MS is doing. This is especially true when you live in fear of being overshadowed by Sony's PS3.
It's just too soon. They won't begin hyping stuff until the last few days of October. It makes no sense to hype games 2 full months before launch.
As for Sony's hype machine, I'd be mad if all MS did was lie to us. Just screwing with you deftones. Sony does know how to make shit shine don't they...
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 06, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
Keep this in mind.
Hype is expensive to keep going. So they use the opposite of hype: The Unknown. The unknown is way more intriquing to people and it's free. Kinda like foreplay. It gives people the ability to try to figure out what MS is doing. This is especially true when you live in fear of being overshadowed by Sony's PS3.
It's just too soon. They won't begin hyping stuff until the last few days of October. It makes no sense to hype games 2 full months before launch.
As for Sony's hype machine, I'd be mad if all MS did was lie to us.
Just screwing with you deftones. Sony does know how to make shit shine don't they...
Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Oct 6 2005, 03:35 PM)
Sony does know how to make shit shine don't they...
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
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I have to disagree, the unknown is just making people worry. I have evidence of that, me!
If they just showed some good stuff, recent stuff, accurate stuff then it would whet people's excitement for the x360 but they just stay silent.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Oct 6 2005, 08:35 PM)
There is a little under 7 weeks left before launch...
Keep this in mind.
Hype is expensive to keep going. So they use the opposite of hype: The Unknown. The unknown is way more intriquing to people and it's free. Kinda like foreplay. It gives people the ability to try to figure out what MS is doing. This is especially true when you live in fear of being overshadowed by Sony's PS3.
Keep this in mind.
Hype is expensive to keep going. So they use the opposite of hype: The Unknown. The unknown is way more intriquing to people and it's free. Kinda like foreplay. It gives people the ability to try to figure out what MS is doing. This is especially true when you live in fear of being overshadowed by Sony's PS3.
I have to disagree, the unknown is just making people worry. I have evidence of that, me!
If they just showed some good stuff, recent stuff, accurate stuff then it would whet people's excitement for the x360 but they just stay silent.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 6 2005, 03:42 PM)
I have to disagree, the unknown is just making people worry. I have evidence of that, me!
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 6 2005, 03:42 PM)
I have to disagree, the unknown is just making people worry. I have evidence of that, me!
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 08:47 PM)
you, nor any of us here make up the masses that buy consoles.
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Onetrack @ Oct 6 2005, 08:54 PM)
hear hear Ozy, exactly why i started this thread, theres nothing new thats official, why do we have these lousy sjakycam jobs anyways ?
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
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he gets it because its concerns confusion and doubt, lol
he will admit that too
Ozy, noones forcing you to get a 360.
if you dont want to support MS, don't. If you feel they give you nothing in return, dont give them your $$.
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
he will admit that too
Ozy, noones forcing you to get a 360.
if you dont want to support MS, don't. If you feel they give you nothing in return, dont give them your $$.
Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 08:58 PM)
he gets it because its concerns confusion and doubt, lol
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:03:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 6 2005, 04:10 PM)
I like the console and I like the games but I just need some assurance that's all.
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
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Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 09:14 PM)
so wait..
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 02:58:00 PM
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Post by: nova805 on October 06, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
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just kidding...
anyways... if you guys are on edge on whether to get the 360 or not, hold off on it like i am (although im holding out for different reasons).... wait a while until you do see the stuff that makes you OOO and AHHH over the damn thing... hell, if its getting on your nerves too much maybe you should take a month break from the internet (or specifically 360 info) to save yourselves a medical bill that will surely come if keep getting you panties in a twist whenever you don't get the info you desire....
you are being a little too impatient... don't live you life around the 360 (or for the 360 for that matter)... instead enjoy your life and when the 360 comes you will have that much more fun with it.... hell, if I got this uptight over video games I may have to see a phychiatrist to get my head checked
sometimes life can be more fun than playing a video game... thing is, you don't need video games to live, but you do need to live to play games.... GO OUT AND LIVE A LITTLE!!!
* after reviewing what i just posted, i realize that my typing is terrible... I'm very sorry about that and hope that you can work through it with me *
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 06, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
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) But there aren't as many of us as there appears.
The Mainstreamers and the Casuals are the ones MS is veying for. They are the players who make up the vast majority of consumers and are willing to line up for a console on launch day and lay down $600 for a console, some games, and extra controllers. Casual gamers don't care THAT much, but they'll drop $500 on the system and a game.
MS doesn't REALLY care about the Parents because they know they don't give a damn... just as long as their kids are happy.
Now there is a delicate balance appealing to each group. They have to keep the Hardcore fans salivating so they leak pics, movies, press conferences, etc... things the other three groups don't even know go on. Just enough to keep us drooling. The biggest challenge is appealing to, AND KEEPING THE ATTENTION OF, the Mainstreamers and the Casuals. This is vastly more difficult than pimping 720p screenies every day. This is why they just don't bother yet. There is no reason to waste time showing off to a group of people that they already have in their corner... or who don't care enough to remember what they saw on MTV last night. This is why MS hasn't begun really showing off just yet. The people they really care about roping in don't care yet. And if they showed off what they do have right now, 2 months early, they'll just say... "oh, that's not that great". It's not that they don't care about us, it's just not good business. And any console maker will do the same.
In the end, it all boils down to the most essential concept of all: You can't show off a work of art until it's finished. Plain and simple. There just isn't time to show off what you're crunching to finish.
At least that's my take on it.
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 06, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: nova805 on October 06, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
just kidding...anyways... if you guys are on edge on whether to get the 360 or not, hold off on it like i am (although im holding out for different reasons).... wait a while until you do see the stuff that makes you OOO and AHHH over the damn thing... hell, if its getting on your nerves too much maybe you should take a month break from the internet (or specifically 360 info) to save yourselves a medical bill that will surely come if keep getting you panties in a twist whenever you don't get the info you desire....
you are being a little too impatient... don't live you life around the 360 (or for the 360 for that matter)... instead enjoy your life and when the 360 comes you will have that much more fun with it.... hell, if I got this uptight over video games I may have to see a phychiatrist to get my head checked
sometimes life can be more fun than playing a video game... thing is, you don't need video games to live, but you do need to live to play games.... GO OUT AND LIVE A LITTLE!!!
* after reviewing what i just posted, i realize that my typing is terrible... I'm very sorry about that and hope that you can work through it with me
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 06, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
) But there aren't as many of us as there appears. The Mainstreamers and the Casuals are the ones MS is veying for. They are the players who make up the vast majority of consumers and are willing to line up for a console on launch day and lay down $600 for a console, some games, and extra controllers. Casual gamers don't care THAT much, but they'll drop $500 on the system and a game.
MS doesn't REALLY care about the Parents because they know they don't give a damn... just as long as their kids are happy.
Now there is a delicate balance appealing to each group. They have to keep the Hardcore fans salivating so they leak pics, movies, press conferences, etc... things the other three groups don't even know go on. Just enough to keep us drooling. The biggest challenge is appealing to, AND KEEPING THE ATTENTION OF, the Mainstreamers and the Casuals. This is vastly more difficult than pimping 720p screenies every day. This is why they just don't bother yet. There is no reason to waste time showing off to a group of people that they already have in their corner... or who don't care enough to remember what they saw on MTV last night. This is why MS hasn't begun really showing off just yet. The people they really care about roping in don't care yet. And if they showed off what they do have right now, 2 months early, they'll just say... "oh, that's not that great". It's not that they don't care about us, it's just not good business. And any console maker will do the same.
In the end, it all boils down to the most essential concept of all: You can't show off a work of art until it's finished. Plain and simple. There just isn't time to show off what you're crunching to finish.
At least that's my take on it.
Post by: Carlo210 on October 06, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 6 2005, 10:24 PM)
As for oblivion if the graphics and gameplay are as good as the DVD on the x360 then that too is one massive reason to buy a 360 but it hasn't been confirmed to and there is no recent footage.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Oct 7 2005, 02:24 AM)
Fug off man, just forget you saw anything and wait until the game comes out. If you think that it was fake pre-rendered footage (even though there were 20 or so other Oblivion booths open with actual 360's), then you don't deserve to be on a video-game news forum. The ones who are helpful are the ones who can tell pre-rendered from realtime and the ones who actually look at the facts and don't disregard them for their own pleasure. The helpful ones are the ones who tell the troubled ones, such as yourself, what is fact and what is rumor and also what is fake. If you want to disregard everything we tell you that answers your questions, then it's your own fault for working your mind so hard over something inevitable. Thank you.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(thax @ Oct 7 2005, 05:38 PM)
Why spend a great deal on marketing now when you know that your entire supply of consoles will be sold out before christmas?
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 07, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
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Post by: LowProfileWurm on October 07, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 7 2005, 01:45 PM)
All I want is a little info here and a vid there, how will that break M$'s multibillion $ bank?
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Oct 7 2005, 05:51 PM)
And I bet MS whips out some WMVHD in a few weeks once games are done being certified. No sense in having HD video of an unfinished product.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:58:00 AM
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It is released in 7 weeks so M$ better get on with which games are going to make it on launch, don't they have to start pressing dics soon?
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(rasmithuk @ Oct 7 2005, 01:19 PM)
From what I remember reading MS have said that keyboard are only to be used for chat in RPG games. They didn't like the idea of splitting Live into two groups (which would be what would happen when the joypad users bitched about how unfair it was playing against people with a mouse).
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM)
I've never thought that it makes that much of a difference, They don't separate people who play Forza with Wheels vs people with gamepads do they?
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Oct 7 2005, 03:46 PM)
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 07, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 07, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 7 2005, 10:12 PM)
Those are all things the game developers would have to deal with IFF they chose to include mouse support.
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Post by: ZildjianKX on October 08, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
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You really can't judge how good a game looks from them, you need a true source capture.
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 06:53:00 AM
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It comes out in a month and a half, you think they won't release final trailers and GAMESPOT Preview Videos? (goddamnit I love those things)
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
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Who said we don't own a kbd/mouse? Don't we all?
Kbd/mouse users don't belong in a console environment when online because of what we have been speaking of for quite a while now. The console market consists of people who play mostly on their couches, so that is one small reason why mouses/kbs combos dont fit in.
And fuck off, seriously, about FPSs not being made for controllers. YES THEY ARE. They are just as much as mice are. Do you control a gun like you use a joystick? Well, no, but using a mouse is jsut as far away from being realistic as well. Obviously you get more precision with mice, which is exactly why they haven't been included on the consoles. If fps are uncontrollable with controllers, then they wouldnt be made for consoles, yet look at how many we get. Controllers are disadvantageous compared to mice/kbsd setupis, duh. I just can't believe that you don't realize any of the logical resonings behind not letting mouse/kbd players use their equipment with native control setups in a controller-using community.
Would you like it if people with ir-guns came into your Half Life 2 matches and had native ir-gun control support in the deathmatch while you were stuck using a mice and keyboard?
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
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I find it amusing that you don't understand the problem. In an online community such as Xbox Live, doing things like, for example, performing glitches and cheats make the game not fun for the rest of the players because you get an advantage. Being able to snipe people without scoping in, have instant control over your crosshair, never lose target aim when moving, and turn around/shift targets quicker than the heavy majority of users on Xbox Live is no exception. What gives you these advantages? A mouse. If you agree, then we are on the same page.
You might say 'everyone is allowed to play with a mouse and keyboard, therefore nobody should complain if they are playing with a controller'. Well, that is like saying drag-motorcycles are now allowed in traditional drag-car races. Is it fair for the ones who are using their drag-cars? No, but should they complain because they could equally just use a motorcycle? Well, the world of drag-car racing has turned into drag-car and drag-motorcycle racing. Just because a drag-motorcycle is faster and better at drag-racing than a car doesn't mean everyone should accept them into the world of drag-car racing. Why can't they just stay in the world of drag-motorcycle racing? Well, the costs for being in a drag-motorcycle tournament is very costly and modifications to the motorcycles engine has to be done every few months, which is why the motorcycle racers want to be included in the affordable drag-car racing seasons. The drag-car racers don't want to change their car-driving ways because they have health problems which prevent them from driving a motorcycle. They also need to sit in their cars cabin because the necessary things are there, such as a back-supportive driving seats and a steering wheel which is easier on their arms than motorcycle handles. Also, why should they be the ones to change? Why can't the motorcycle drivers just start to use a drag-car in the drag-car world instead of forcing a problem on the car drivers?
Etc. I think you guys can make up the rest.
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Post by: Carlo210 on October 09, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
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/rant
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Post by: Heet on October 10, 2005, 12:38:00 AM
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Cmon, their marketing is great! Remember the Killers and MTV? I started to lose faith in MS and they totally redeemed themselves.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 10, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
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I also play PES/WE on my computer and online. I use a gamepad and sometimes the people I play against are using the keyboard. Yes the keyboard for a football (soccer) game. Guess what, I have lost to players using the keyboard, but shouldnt I of had the advantage of 360 degree movement with the joystick on my gamepad? Not really, they were just a more skilled player than me and have no trouble playing with their keyboard. I don't hear any of them whine that gamepad players are playing with them.
Here is the real difference between KB/M and a gamepad, that console only people can't grasp. Gamepad FPS have Aim-assist, KB/M FPS do not. So their is a clear advantage for the gamepad users. I have Far Cry instincts and I feel that its easier to kill people in it than the version on the computer because on the xbox I dont have to aim clearly at them or their head.
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 10, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
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Post by: ZildjianKX on October 08, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
You really can't judge how good a game looks from them, you need a true source capture.
Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
Kbd/mouse users don't belong in a console environment when online because of what we have been speaking of for quite a while now. The console market consists of people who play mostly on their couches, so that is one small reason why mouses/kbs combos dont fit in.
And fuck off, seriously, about FPSs not being made for controllers. YES THEY ARE. They are just as much as mice are. Do you control a gun like you use a joystick? Well, no, but using a mouse is jsut as far away from being realistic as well. Obviously you get more precision with mice, which is exactly why they haven't been included on the consoles. If fps are uncontrollable with controllers, then they wouldnt be made for consoles, yet look at how many we get. Controllers are disadvantageous compared to mice/kbsd setupis, duh. I just can't believe that you don't realize any of the logical resonings behind not letting mouse/kbd players use their equipment with native control setups in a controller-using community.
Would you like it if people with ir-guns came into your Half Life 2 matches and had native ir-gun control support in the deathmatch while you were stuck using a mice and keyboard?
Post by: Carlo210 on October 08, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
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Obviously you get more precision with mice
QUOTE(Carlo210)
Controllers are disadvantageous compared to mice
I find it amusing that you don't understand the problem. In an online community such as Xbox Live, doing things like, for example, performing glitches and cheats make the game not fun for the rest of the players because you get an advantage. Being able to snipe people without scoping in, have instant control over your crosshair, never lose target aim when moving, and turn around/shift targets quicker than the heavy majority of users on Xbox Live is no exception. What gives you these advantages? A mouse. If you agree, then we are on the same page.
You might say 'everyone is allowed to play with a mouse and keyboard, therefore nobody should complain if they are playing with a controller'. Well, that is like saying drag-motorcycles are now allowed in traditional drag-car races. Is it fair for the ones who are using their drag-cars? No, but should they complain because they could equally just use a motorcycle? Well, the world of drag-car racing has turned into drag-car and drag-motorcycle racing. Just because a drag-motorcycle is faster and better at drag-racing than a car doesn't mean everyone should accept them into the world of drag-car racing. Why can't they just stay in the world of drag-motorcycle racing? Well, the costs for being in a drag-motorcycle tournament is very costly and modifications to the motorcycles engine has to be done every few months, which is why the motorcycle racers want to be included in the affordable drag-car racing seasons. The drag-car racers don't want to change their car-driving ways because they have health problems which prevent them from driving a motorcycle. They also need to sit in their cars cabin because the necessary things are there, such as a back-supportive driving seats and a steering wheel which is easier on their arms than motorcycle handles. Also, why should they be the ones to change? Why can't the motorcycle drivers just start to use a drag-car in the drag-car world instead of forcing a problem on the car drivers?
Etc. I think you guys can make up the rest.
Post by: Carlo210 on October 09, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: Heet on October 10, 2005, 12:38:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 10, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
I also play PES/WE on my computer and online. I use a gamepad and sometimes the people I play against are using the keyboard. Yes the keyboard for a football (soccer) game. Guess what, I have lost to players using the keyboard, but shouldnt I of had the advantage of 360 degree movement with the joystick on my gamepad? Not really, they were just a more skilled player than me and have no trouble playing with their keyboard. I don't hear any of them whine that gamepad players are playing with them.
Here is the real difference between KB/M and a gamepad, that console only people can't grasp. Gamepad FPS have Aim-assist, KB/M FPS do not. So their is a clear advantage for the gamepad users. I have Far Cry instincts and I feel that its easier to kill people in it than the version on the computer because on the xbox I dont have to aim clearly at them or their head.
Post by: KAGE360 on October 10, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Oct 10 2005, 10:17 AM)
I'm going to chime in on controls and its somewhat like what Twisted said about Forza and wheels.
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Title: MSs Marketing Team Needs To Be Fired.
Post by: Carlo210 on October 10, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
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As I said, /rant for me.
Post by: Carlo210 on October 10, 2005, 09:59:00 AM