I hope you see you error in this comment...........it is still ones opinion. A review is an opinion. Some think Madden is better than the 2K games. Well isnt that an opinion even though madden sold more copies. Sales don't change an opinion. All your silly comment here shows, is that some people share the same OPINION
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 1 2005, 12:39 PM)
so what would you consider a factual comment to what is and isnt a good game??? to say that there is no factual good games is just stupid.
There is no fact to what is good and what isnt when it boils down to media. Everything is an opinion. If a form media is popular, that only means many people share a positive opinion about said object. The only way for it to become a fact is if every person shares that same opinion. If every person who ever played Halo thought it was a good game, then it would become a fact, otherwise it is just an opinion as to whether it is a good game or not.
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and what was your opinion of PGR2, halo 2 and all the other sequals to the launch games?? there isnt the reason that they are launch titles for you not to like them, but im sure you dont need reasons to dislike something.
My opinion of said games. PGR2 was crap as I don't like arcade racers. Halo 2 sucked as I hate the over used sci-fi theme of a bright and colorful world, and I also don't like console FPS.
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do you also forget the fact that the launch titles that most people are excited about are actually just sequals to proven games??
I notice that and that those same people bash $ony for having proven games such as MGS4, Killzone 2, Devil May Cry, etc. Hypocritical don't you think?
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so if oblivion, PGR3, ghost recon 3 or PDZ came out mid life instead at the launch of a system you would like them??
I wont buy oblivion anyways as I did not have a fun experience with the last few Elder Scroll games. PGR3, you should already know why I wouldnt even look at this at any point in time. I have never liked the Ghost Recon games, I prefer to play the standard Rainbow Six games as they feel somewhat more realistic. Perfect Dark Zero, well I might be in the minority here, but I had no interest in PD on the N64, so why would I even care about the new one.
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I am entitled to my opinion and believe me you make plenty of stupid ass comments yourself rolleyes.gif try not to be a hypocrite, let me show your hypocrisy.
Yet heres me comment to you..
First, thats your opinion and totally subjective.
and me saying...that might be the silliest thing youve ever typed here. Theres a difference between crabbiness and stupid comments, and thats borderline stupid.
I tried to prove your Opinion was wrong how?
My opinion of your opinion is that it was stupid.
Then I went on to show facts that supported my Opinion, Just as you did.
Where did I say yours was wrong/incorrect/not right?
I said it was stupid, and that opinion still stands and gets stronger with every word you type.
then you use the word Hypocrite 13 times and for what? for me saying I think your opinion is stupid?
Did I say my opinion was law? You had the nerve to type the following, and its what started this...
let me remind you of your trolling post that started all this...
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I can't believe any of you are excited over launch titles. You will hate them in 3 months and wonder why you bought them. I have never played a "great" launch title for any system.
You are "telling" us, even though you don't know us, that we "will" hate them all 3 months later.
The Nerve of some people!
For shame!!
Strong words people, strong words.
Hahahaha
Now go home with your tail between your legs.
Oh but wait, it's not over kiddies.
Its never over until he gets the last word in. He is the supreme word twister!
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lol
Doing what he does best, switch things around and tries to confuse.
Deftones.. go back and read your 1st reply to me..
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I am entitled to my opinion and believe me you make plenty of stupid ass comments yourself rolleyes.gif try not to be a hypocrite, let me show your hypocrisy.
Yet heres me comment to you..
First, thats your opinion and totally subjective.
and me saying...that might be the silliest thing youve ever typed here. Theres a difference between crabbiness and stupid comments, and thats borderline stupid.
I tried to prove your Opinion was wrong how?
My opinion of your opinion is that it was stupid.
Then I went on to show facts that supported my Opinion, Just as you did.
Where did I say yours was wrong/incorrect/not right?
I said it was stupid, and that opinion still stands and gets stronger with every word you type.
then you use the word Hypocrite 13 times and for what? for me saying I think your opinion is stupid?
Did I say my opinion was law? You had the nerve to type the following, and its what started this...
let me remind you of your trolling post that started all this...
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I can't believe any of you are excited over launch titles. You will hate them in 3 months and wonder why you bought them. I have never played a "great" launch title for any system.
You are "telling" us, even though you don't know us, that we "will" hate them all 3 months later.
The Nerve of some people!
For shame!!
Strong words people, strong words.
Hahahaha
Now go home with your tail between your legs.
Oh but wait, it's not over kiddies.
Its never over until he gets the last word in. He is the supreme word twister!
lol
i still believe there is in fact the difference between a good game and a bad game that is beyond opinion.
a game with an unplayable frame rate, graphics, laughable story, and horrid sound is a bad game. a game with a great story, graphics, crontrols/play factor, and gorgeous sound is a good game. like everything else in this world there is a difference between quality and crap. but he wont get my point and instead call us all hipocrites.
and to me there is a difference between a series that will continue to push the bar and improve on itself and a series that will add gimicks and nothing more to rehash the same game. MGS is one of the games that comes to mind. considering the gameplay, camera angle, and features of the latest installment it plays too much like MGS1. if there is a good game on the shitstation im not too blind to admit it.
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 1 2005, 01:53 PM)
Doing what he does best, switch things around and tries to confuse.
Please explain how I switched things around.
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I tried to prove your Opinion was wrong how?
Did I say you did? NO, I was not talking to you when I told someone to stop trying to prove my opinions wrong.
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My opinion of your opinion is that it was stupid.
There is no such thing as a stupid opinion as every person has their own and most OPINIONS differ.
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Where did I say yours was wrong/incorrect/not right?
You didnt and I never said you did.
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I said it was stupid, and that opinion still stands and gets stronger with every word you type.
And thats fine, whatever, its your opinion.
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then you use the word Hypocrite 13 times and for what? for me saying I think your opinion is stupid?
Honestly, can you count? I don't seem to think so since I only used it four times in my post to you.
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Did I say my opinion was law? You had the nerve to type the following, and its what started this...
Who is twisting words and trying to confuse? You are speaking of things I never said to you. Deftech is looking like the supreme word twister now. Once again, I never said you were saying my opinion was wrong. And God forbid that I have the nerve to state my opinion.
let's show him Cosmic Race. I have the page here somewhere..hahahaha
he'd say its not crap just to prove his point so why bother
the only game in history to receive ZEROs from mulitple magazines back in the 90's.
But ratings are opinionated and subjective, surely someone out there would buy this game right?
it was considered so bad that retail employees tried it and demanded their managers pull it from shelves. They didnt want to angry customers who would surely return it. Nah but thats not a bad game. It looked like poop was on the screen, couldnt see where you were going, no sound, controls didn't work.
Only found on the Sony Playstation circa 1996/1997
Cosmic Race = 0.0
classic
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 1 2005, 02:15 PM)
you said "yours is better(more right)"
I know what you were implying, its just a tad obvious.
Next time quote the whole line so you dont confuse others. 
Not one point in there is saying one of our opinions is wrong, like you want to put it. It is stating that you think your opinion is better(more right). I can see how you confused me saying better(more right) with youre right and I'm wrong.
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Second, I personally hate almost all launch titles, you love them, both opinions, but somehow yours is better(more right),
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 1 2005, 02:20 PM)
Next time quote the whole line so you dont confuse others.
Ugh...
Thread polluters. I thought this was buried.
I am finished though
Heres that
you asked for, might be a little burnt
Quake 4, Demonik, and Kameo
Of all the games.
is that a 360 game?
oh from Clive Barker?
havent heard anything on that since E3
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Sep 1 2005, 04:50 PM)
Court run for what?
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 1 2005, 05:00 PM)
im at work right now and this is the only video game related site i have found so far that isnt blocked by the filter they have here on the computers. i was just making the point that i have been gone for a while and i didnt expect the "debate" to have carried on as long as it did.
those 2 are stubborn though so i should have figured.
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 1 2005, 02:02 PM)
and to me there is a difference between a series that will continue to push the bar and improve on itself and a series that will add gimicks and nothing more to rehash the same game. MGS is one of the games that comes to mind. considering the gameplay, camera angle, and features of the latest installment it plays too much like MGS1. if there is a good game on the shitstation im not too blind to admit it.
that is the worst example in this debate you could have used.
So I guess you feel Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Plays just like the first Splinter Cell huh?
Considering the gameplay, camera angle, and features of SP CT play too much like SP1
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 1 2005, 11:10 PM)

that is the worst example in this debate you could have used.
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Sep 1 2005, 05:12 PM)
Err, no, he feels like MGS plays like the first one. Where do you get the idea that he feels that way about splinter Cell too?
QUOTE(tracemhunter @ Sep 1 2005, 05:22 PM)
i reserved GUN. i am not sure if i should have reserved pg3 instead. thinking about changing.
Just playin
Looks like the huneymoon is over between the two defts.
You two need to kiss and make up.
And deftones, down boy, down!
Just playin, again
On topic:
Oblivion is the must lauch title to buy for me, and possibly PD.
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 1 2005, 05:41 PM)
Oh ya! Sonic was my favorite launch title.
Just playin
Looks like the huneymoon is over between the two defts.
You two need to kiss and make up.
And deftones, down boy, down!

Don't worry fellas, I'm done being pissy. 
I'm am surprised Deftech didnt get that jab about sonic first. Sorry I didnt get a genesis at launch, I got it later, I was a Nintendo fan back in the day.
QUOTE(qwerty710710 @ Sep 1 2005, 11:46 PM)
Here are going to be the best looking launch games
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And Madden? Let's just say there are games that I think will look better.
Madden looked amazing (unparalleled is more like it) when it debuted on ps2
............why not 360?
sometimes EA do deserve some credit (and the benefit of the doubt)
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 1 2005, 06:55 PM)