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Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 11, 2005, 07:57:00 PM

impressive

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: thesideinguy on July 11, 2005, 07:59:00 PM

somehow i have a very hard time beleiving that.
ecspecaly when just the first photo is 57.5 KB (58,904 bytes) by itself.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Tobb555 on July 11, 2005, 08:21:00 PM

ive played that game before and i dont have a good enought videocard for it. LoL. and the game is under 1 mb. I think the game has just as good lighting as Doom3.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: thesideinguy on July 11, 2005, 08:26:00 PM

wont load for me,
o well. i'll just wait for it to get out of beta phase, if i'm still alive.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: mikeandbandit on July 11, 2005, 09:08:00 PM

what do you mean they are gameplay shots? did you play the game? whats in your system?

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Twasi on July 11, 2005, 11:51:00 PM

Yep it' pretty impressive stuff, and for the guy above those are gameplay screenshots.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: ravage73 on July 12, 2005, 04:03:00 AM

ive played this, its real guys.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Andy51 on July 12, 2005, 12:34:00 PM

Hmm... Won't let me play... Besides my computer is crappy...

But anyways Thats is so impressive...

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: incognegro on July 12, 2005, 01:05:00 PM

that last comment just made my lunch so much tastier!


anyways, impressive stuff.........how does 'procedural synthesis' affect cpu performance? the system probably would be capable of more if it didnt have to worry about this.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: RicosMix on July 12, 2005, 01:15:00 PM

QUOTE(thesideinguy @ Jul 11 2005, 10:37 PM)

wont load for me,

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: m_hael on July 13, 2005, 11:24:00 AM

didn't this win the 96kb demo comp some times ago... its essentially a d3d program packaged using a high level compressor into a small self extracting self running file.  The actual exe that runs is FAR larger than what you see.

The renderer setup is impressive tho primative in places (lots of shader work)
The game is almost non-existent
The procedural side is both realtime and pre-game startup (from what I can see), generating a lot of textures from seeds and geometry using primatives and CSG is likely.

Procedural synthesis is the way forward however it will take a LONG time before it takes over...even when it does.. you still need some static geo.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: crustyteacup on July 13, 2005, 09:17:00 PM

want to meet singles in your area? then register for xbox scene today whether your gay or straight or both of the above.....

i played that game ages ago, i remember it featured in PC Gamer over here about a year ago or more, and yes it did win some award. maybe they should just stick a floppy drive in the 360, would keep costs down. i would like to see what they could do with say 1.4mb, would be quite impressive.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Tobb555 on July 13, 2005, 10:45:00 PM

QUOTE(crustyteacup @ Jul 13 2005, 11:28 PM)

want to meet singles in your area? then register for xbox scene today whether your gay or straight or both of the above.....

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Jagosix on July 14, 2005, 04:36:00 AM

. I remember this game.  The 96k size is awesome . Now if M$ gets their hands on these guys ..... Can you imagine the type & size of games that could fit on a DVD9 ? Nintendo Game Cube did pretty well with its 1.3Gb Mini DVD. Those games look as good (or better) than some xbox games. SONY's trying to push the BR technology, but the USA isnt really ready for it yet. Heck,... some video & retail stores still carry VHS. But once that's completely out of the system, then you wil see change.  More space doesnt create better games (look @ the PC).  Better Programming, Utilization of hardware technology & listening to what the people want, Makes a Great game. This time around, I think M$ listened. SONY should do the same.




You can learn something from everybody, but you can learn neverthing from GOD.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Gunstar^ on July 14, 2005, 05:24:00 AM

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: m_hael on July 14, 2005, 08:04:00 AM

QUOTE(BlueLemon @ Jul 14 2005, 06:43 AM)

Only issue using scene type systems is the ammount of memory required. Even though the executable is small and textures procedural, those textures still need to be stored somewhere after being generated.  This is a techdemo, very fancy and skilled coding, but i dont think youll be seeing it as a replacement for tried and true raster texture maps and the like.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: Devedander on July 21, 2005, 04:54:00 PM

QUOTE(thesideinguy @ Jul 12 2005, 04:10 AM)

somehow i have a very hard time beleiving that.

Title: Why High Capacity Discs Are Not Need For Gaming
Post by: mikeandbandit on July 21, 2005, 07:26:00 PM

actually its funny he should mention that as it give us a perspective of just HOW space consuming these fmv are.

ok for arguements sake, at 800x 600 rez, with images apporoximately 60KB each, at 60 fps you have about 3,600 KB  or 3.5 MB per sec.  so one minute of full motion video at 800x600 rez at 60 fps bumps you up to 215MB per minute.  So for ten minutes of Full Motion Video at this rez you are now suddenly talking 2GB for video that was produced from an game compressed down to 96KB.

hmmm....  96KB vs 2GB  wow astonishing...