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Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Guilty's_Park on January 16, 2013, 05:49:00 PM
QUOTE(M3Roc @ Jun 7 2012, 01:25 AM) View Post

Im just curious. I need extra usb ports. Since these memory cards use a similar interface as usb, can I solder a usb pigtail onto the board and source 5v from else where? Will these mem ports recognize regular USB devices? Basically my question is, can these mem card ports be converted into usb ports.

I'd like to know this too
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 23, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
I waited outside walmart for 9 hours and got shafted by being 5th in line. They only had 4 premiums so i bought the core since the only accessory I wanted was the hard drive since i got HD cables for free from a friend. Now I can't find hard drives anywhere and I don't want to spend $40 on a memory unit.
What I want to know is: has anyone made any progress on using a regular USB flash drive as a memory unit? Is the difference between it and a memory unit in the hardware or is it formatted specially? I realize nobody has probably done this yet, but hopefully this can spark some interest. Thanks.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: LORD_Beefy2000 on November 23, 2005, 08:38:00 PM
i got stuck 5th in line too and they only had 4 premiums.
My main problem is that none of the stores have harddrives.
I dont wan't to buy a mem card roughly half the price of the hard drive
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 23, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
Yeah, hopefully they might just whip out hard drives at the stores on friday, but if they don't I'll order online somewhere and it'll be on backorder or just wait. I can wait a while for xbox live, but I just really want to save games.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Dameon on November 25, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
I would expect that the memory card is a standard USB Mass Storage device, but the Xbox identifies it as a memory card by certain identifiers. If anyone has ever used udev rules with a thumbdrive on Linux, you know what I mean. Has anyone fashioned a Controller <-> Computer cable as of yet? Are the controller and memory card on the USB bus at all anymore?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 25, 2005, 08:44:00 AM
I'm not sure what you would need the controller cable for as it is just a standard USB plug for the wired one. Also, the memory unit plugs into a standard USB port so we have to figure out what makes the 360 recognize it as a memory unit as you said so we can just use a USB mass storage device. Hopefully we can figure this out soon.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Dameon on November 25, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
Ah. You'll have to excuse me, I don't have my own unit.

USB devices have certain identifiers such as serial number, product name, and manufacturer that are known to the kernel but not prominently displayed to the user. On linux with udev, you can get insane amounts of info on the device. The problem is causing an existing mass storage device to report what we want.

I'm interested to see the output of the following command:
CODE

udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/`

Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 25, 2005, 10:52:00 AM
I'm not very familiar with using Linux, hopefully some experienced coders can figure out a way to change those things?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Dezro on November 25, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
The memory unit does not plug into a standard USB port. It has a larger 5-pin connection. Although it probably is USB - either something like the old Xbox port or some kind of giant perverted version of Mini-USB (GameSpot seems to think the latter). Either way, the Memory Unit port's pin 5 should be USB's pin 4.

Hopefully, the only thing keeping the 360 from recognizing a memory stick as a Memory Unit is the port you plug it into, and all you need is an adaptor. But this is doubtful.

Can anyone confirm that there's +5V going from pin 1 to 5? I can't find my tools at the moment.


...hmm. I wonder if MS did anything to prevent reading a memory unit on a computer? Other than encryption or a funky filesystem, I mean.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 25, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
Wow I'm stupid tongue.gif Forgot about those things right on the front of the case that say Memory Unit on them. My bad biggrin.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: scuzzell on November 26, 2005, 02:29:00 AM
From what I remember reading, MS set up some kind of program with 3rd party hardware developers. If they didn't pay their license fees, any hardware they design won't work. I'm not saying that it's not going to be possible to use a USB mass storage device as a memory unit, but I doubt it will be as simple as just wiring an adapter to the memory unit port.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Dameon on November 26, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
I believe the license fee is an "I don't wanna get sued" type of deal. However, that doesn't mean it is as simple as an adapter.

This post has been edited by Dameon: Nov 26 2005, 06:25 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on November 26, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
Going to try to decipher the pin out later today on the memcard slots... if I can get to them without opening the console... I'll see if we have a 5volt, a ground, and the data +/data - pins... but, if it is the usb ports, I can probabley figure the data pins by the position of the 5 volt... hopefully... but what pin was the YELLOW extra wire on the original xbox ports? Middle? Left? Right?  Anyone know?

Thanks!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on November 26, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
Well, did a little testing and, sorry boys and girls, but I don't believe its a modified USB port, unless its simply running at a lower voltage because ti powers only a memory card... might be more proprietary like Sonys memcard slots.  The pins measure (voltage) from top to bottom with the 360 standing up:

Pin 1 = 0
Pin 2 = 0
Pin 3 = 0
Pin 4 = 3.27 volts
Pin 5 = 0

So there we have it... might be able to somehow figure out how to run a card reader off of it if we can figure out the data pin configuration, but I'm not sure if a normal USB memstick will run off of only 3.3v.

Anyone know?
EDIT:

Ok, after another quick test, I've discovered the outer pins are both grounds.

So theoretically the layout is probabley

Pin 1 = Ground
Pin 2 = Data
Pin 3 = Data
Pin 4 = Power
Pin 5 = Ground

The extra yellow wire from the original xbox controller isn't needed because we're only powering a memcard, not an entire controller????

Anyone know how to decipher which data pin goes to plus or minus?  Trial and error I guess (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)  If its layed out like a normal port then it should be that pin 3 is - and pin 2 is +

Might try wiring some stuff up to the port and see what happens when I plug in a memstick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


oh and heres the link to another thread I started before this one evolved to memcard slots  

---- >   http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=463399

This post has been edited by Rustmonkey: Nov 27 2005, 12:30 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on November 26, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
Ok, attempted to wire up a usb cable to a memory card slot and had no success... I know I had power and cable signals, but I couldn't get it to recognize a jumpdrive no matter which pin I chose as data- or data+...

So may not have enough power to run a memstick if this is the case... may try it later with my xD to usb converter as well... if anyone has an OPEN console, you might try soldering directly to the board instead... maybe MS deliberately lowered the power for the port so that USB devices aren't compliant.  If we could bypass this limit, maybe we could get it to recognize... i might try pulling 5v from the front USB ports later, but right now I've got homework to do smile.gif

Good luck all

EDIT:  Ok, only took about 5 seconds... tried it with power off of USB ports and still nothing... got the memstick to power up though (LED blinked)... so it might be that I'm not getting a good connection with the data pins, but I'm really not willing to crack the case on my box to figure it out biggrin.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on November 26, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
Thanks for helping out man. Hopefully someone with their case open would be willing to keep trying? Thanks again.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willpower101 on November 27, 2005, 01:36:00 AM
i will help if i can. btw, i did notice something. On the kiosks inside walmart, if you look at the controller there is a holster for a memory device. if you look at it upwards from underneath you will notice that there are four or five wires soldered on the bottom of the port.

they are red, green, white, and black. the same as usb. don't know if that means anything, but i would assume so.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lukecalypso on December 05, 2005, 03:41:00 AM
Hi,

i succesfully connected memory card to my pc with a 3.3 voltage regulator, but xp doesn't recognize the usb device...can someone help me to find a generic flash ram driver?
Also i have connected to another system and it recognize as mass storage (M-System Diskonchip 2000) with some errors..i'll try with linux.

BR

LukeZ

This post has been edited by lukecalypso: Dec 5 2005, 11:51 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lukecalypso on December 05, 2005, 04:53:00 AM
here my device manager:

http://i31.photobuck...ecalypso/dd.jpg
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: SilentWatcher on December 05, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
Get the driver directly from M-systems:

http://www.m-sys.com...5.x/default.htm
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lukecalypso on December 06, 2005, 02:15:00 AM
I tried no result..i suppose there is an hardware conflict on usb bus, i'll modify my prototype with an usb hub..

LukeZ
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willpower101 on December 08, 2005, 12:33:00 AM
you must have the xbox memory card wired wrong. i opened mine up and soldered a usb cable to it. i can post a pic of that later also for proof. this is what my computer showed when i hooked it up. two separate devices. the memory unit first and the security device second.  

http://img228.images...rivexbox0ht.jpg

you must have the xbox memory card wired wrong.

i opened mine up and soldered a usb cable to it. i can post a pic of that later also for proof. this is what my computer showed when i hooked it up. two separate devices. the memory unit first and the security device second.  

http://img228.images...rivexbox0ht.jpg
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maddy2005 on December 08, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
willpower101 have you tryed with the driver SilentWathcer ref. to ???
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on December 08, 2005, 08:42:00 AM
Sweet, its good to see some progress being made here as I haven't had the money to burn on a Memcard (being the holidays and all).  So willpower, was my diagram for the pin out correct or were the data pins different than what I thought??

Thanks man and good luck!

This post has been edited by Rustmonkey: Dec 8 2005, 04:43 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: jason732 on December 22, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
Any more progress on this yet?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Arakon on December 22, 2005, 03:23:00 PM
there won't be anytime soon.. it's not just the USB flash you need, but you also need the security chip that gets detected.. which you will have to rip from a memcard basically, so overall it makes very little sense, not to mention the solder work involved.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: jason732 on December 23, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
cussing.gif you MS!!!

That's not the news I was hoping for, but good things come to those who wait...
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Math1 on December 24, 2005, 12:10:00 AM
Given all the talk about requiring licenses for 3rd party peripherals, I would assume that all dvices will have the same sort of security device in them.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 31, 2005, 02:17:00 AM
Ok I decided to give this a try.

I messed up my first memory card so i had to go buy another one. I am glad i messed up the first one becasue i was able to make a adpater to let me have the memory card slot pins outside the case. See pic below.
IPB Image

Here is a pic of it with a femlae usb port attached to it. (the xbox will do its little circle thing like it is trying to find a drive but it will not find a hardrive attached to it or a thumbdrive)
IPB Image


I then went out and bought a new memory card and wired it the same way but this one still has the chip inside of the shell. Here is the pic of it.

IPB Image

I then used the pin layout descibed by Rustmonkey here I also downloaded the driver from Silentwatcher's post here.

I hooked up the memory card to my computer like this IPB Image and it found a xbox sercurity thing and a gerneric memory card. Here is the pic of the xbox sercurity thing. IPB Image. If you look further up under my drives you will see the memory card. I forced it to used the driver. I really dont know how, i installed the driver and played with it for a while. If anybody needs a indept detail guide, i will hook it up to another computer and try to amke a guide with screen shots.

After i got it hooked up i was aked to format the drive. IPB Image
I did and i was able to put files on it. BUT the second i put it back in the xbox and then put it back in my computer it asked me to reformat it. I alos put a profile on the memory card and then stuck it in my computer. Formated the card and when i put the card back in the xbox the profile was still there. That was strange to me. I think the profiles are stored on a different chip because i have 61.1 mbs free after i format the card. I hope this is a start to anybody that knows more about the sercurity ship on the card.

I have a jump drive that has a 256 mb smasung chip on it. I might try to replace the chip on the xbox memory card and see if i get ore memory on the card. I know this gets us nowhere but it is a start.

I might install linux and see of the format of the card is the same as the hardrive and the contents can only be read with a program that sees the format. I will need to study up more on the harddive project. I will have 10 hours of brdem at work tommrow to do it to. then i can come home and work on this some more.

Here is a pic of the memory cards device page. IPB Image

Here is a pic of the memory card hooked up to the computer and the xbox at the same time ( the xbox could see the card, but the computer could not) IPB Image
IPB Image

Im tired so im off to bed. I hope this helps and i hope we can go somewhere with this and if not. I have one mutated memory card. biggrin.gif

EDIT: If anybody was wondering, I used terminal strips so i could change the pins to a different usb wire if i had to.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: XBoxgeek on December 31, 2005, 06:51:00 AM
Nice work JoHnnyTK36. Now you have a mem card to USB does it work if you plug it into one of the front USB ports on the 360?

Just trying to figure out if the mem card ports are just USB but different connectors.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 31, 2005, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(XBoxgeek @ Dec 31 2005, 07:58 AM) View Post

Nice work JoHnnyTK36. Now you have a mem card to USB does it work if you plug it into one of the front USB ports on the 360?

Just trying to figure out if the mem card ports are just USB but different connectors.


Didn't even think about that last night. tongue.gif  DUH

I will try that on my lunch break if i go home.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: OpticNurv on December 31, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
johnny, you need linux cvs with the capable XtaF support (can be found at free60)... well the filesystem's support atleast, but from what i assume, keep going with this and go get those files off of free60 and we might be going somewhere, but just to let you know, dont hook your 360 up to live, just in case of updates...
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 31, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(OpticNurv @ Dec 31 2005, 10:46 AM) View Post

johnny, you need linux cvs with the capable XtaF support (can be found at free60)... well the filesystem's support atleast, but from what i assume, keep going with this and go get those files off of free60 and we might be going somewhere, but just to let you know, dont hook your 360 up to live, just in case of updates...


I have it connected to my satalite internet. So it's not that good for playing games, all i use it for is to see if my friends are online and downlaod demos.  I'll dissconect it when i get home.

If somebody can point me to any guides with how to get the linux stuff working i would be grateful. Imagine it or not i am lazy. blink.gif I also need to know what version of linux i need. I haven't used linux in years. I know shame on me but all the stuff i did for school was in windows so i used it so much and got less and less free time to mess with linux, so i just took it off.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 31, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
OK i tried pluging the memory card into the xbox's usb ports via my adapted usb cord. It did its little circle thing to find a drive but nothing came up. So no go there.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 01, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Dec 31 2005, 10:07 PM) View Post

OK i tried pluging the memory card into the xbox's usb ports via my adapted usb cord. It did its little circle thing to find a drive but nothing came up. So no go there.

Hey, go get Hex Workshop, and then installit. Fire HW up and then goto Open->Open Drive. Then do a sectordump and upload it to eg. Xbins or somewhere, then give us a link and we'll check it together biggrin.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 01, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
Ok i did the sector dump. I got this error when i was opening the drive. IPB Image

You can get the dump here
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on January 01, 2006, 08:21:00 PM
Sweet!  Good to see someone is still interested in this... haven't had money to blow on a card yet (Christmas presents for the wife and kids took most of it...) so haven't tried any of this myself.

A few suggestions... if you are able to read the file structure with the Linux tools, try uploading an original XBOX gamesave to the memcard... hell try it in windows after formatting and see what happens (probabley might need to be in a UDATA folder first... or maybe just in the numbered gamesave folder).  And probabley try a gamesave that is exploitable for shits and giggles.  Did you actually try putting data on the card after the successful format?  Like maybe a music track or something the 360 would recognize?  Or even just data that your PC would recognize?

thanks and good luck!

I might just have to go out and pick up a memcard now and fiddle with this...
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 01, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
i put a music file on it but you can't play music from a memory card. The option is faded out.

Edit: does any oneknow a device that i can turn a knob or sometihng to output any volage i want. Like from 1v to atleast 24volts. I can't remeber the name of one i used to know of.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 2 2006, 05:08 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on January 01, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Is that option still present without a music file on the card?  If it is not, then obviously the 360 can see the data uploaded from a computer... which means you might be able to experiment with Xbox 1 gamesaves placed in different folders...

This post has been edited by Rustmonkey: Jan 2 2006, 04:43 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Chris_F on January 01, 2006, 08:43:00 PM
Ah, you dumped the flash drive after you formated it in windows so that's just a dump of a regular FAT32 usb thumb drive.

Stick it back in the xbox, have it format it, then try to get a dump.

HexWorkshop isn't going to be able to do the dump because windows doesn't support the FATX filesystem.

If you boot up any live distro of linux you should be able to just run "dd if=sda of=thumbdrive.bin" and get a 1:1 dump.

This post has been edited by Chris_F: Jan 2 2006, 04:48 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 01, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Rustmonkey @ Jan 1 2006, 09:39 PM) View Post

Is that option still present without a music file on the card?  If it is not, then obviously the 360 can see the data uploaded from a computer... which means you might be able to experiment with Xbox 1 gamesaves placed in different folders...


The option is not avialible at all. With or wiithout the music file on it.

After i format the card and put it back in the xbox it now says format, i have to format it in the xbox before i can use it again in the xbox. I dont remember that being there last night when i did the experiment the first time.

Edit: im downloading linux right now, so i hope to have the raw dump up in the hour.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Chris_F on January 01, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
Sorry, make that:

dd if=/dev/sda of=thumbdrive.bin

that is, if sda is the name of the thumbdrive.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 01, 2006, 11:44:00 PM
Ok i see the memory card under usb devices, but i can not figure out how to mount it so i can grab the dump.

i am using a slax live cd version of linux.

HELP?

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 2 2006, 07:46 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Chris_F on January 02, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
no need to mount the device, even if you could. just use the dd command.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 02, 2006, 06:26:00 AM
Ok under system information it calls it "memory unit". So i typed

dd if=/dev/memory unit of=thumbdrive.bin

it says that

dd: unreconized option 'unit'

so i tried

dd if=/dev/memoryunit of=thumbdrive.bin

it says

dd: opening '/dev/memoryunit' : No such file or directory

i then tried

dd if=/dev/"memory unit" of=thumbdrive.bin and
dd if=/dev/'memory unit' of=thumbdrive.bin

both said

dd: opening '/dev/memory unit' : No such file or directory

any ideas?

i won't get to play with this till i get home from school this afternoon.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 02, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
I might need to get the file for support from free60, but i can't find it. Can somebody show me how to add that support to linux.

I guess i need to get a linux guide, since i havent used it in so long and i never used it that much when i did use it.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 02, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Chris_F @ Jan 2 2006, 05:50 AM) View Post

Ah, you dumped the flash drive after you formated it in windows so that's just a dump of a regular FAT32 usb thumb drive.

Stick it back in the xbox, have it format it, then try to get a dump.

HexWorkshop isn't going to be able to do the dump because windows doesn't support the FATX filesystem.

If you boot up any live distro of linux you should be able to just run "dd if=sda of=thumbdrive.bin" and get a 1:1 dump.

Hex Workshop CAN make a dump of a drive without supported filesystem, as long as it gets recognized by windows as a drive. I've done it with a corrupt memory card.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MrBond on January 02, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
I know that Xebian could be run as a live linux cd in your pc, in addition to running in your XBox. It did indeed have FatX support, but I'm not sure as to whether it's been updated with the latest 360 supporting driver. I'm not sure whether they offer the Updated FatX in Module form, but if they did, you could simply add that module to an installed linux distro I believe....
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 02, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
Oh, and BTW, you should rename the memory card on the 360 to something like X360MU. If we find that as plain text, it's likely to be not encrypted (but can be signed though).
EDIT: That dump got heavily compressed, 64MB to 700kb biggrin.gif Good thing, makes downloadin a lot faster tongue.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 02, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(MaTiAz @ Jan 2 2006, 10:42 AM) View Post

Oh, and BTW, you should rename the memory card on the 360 to something like X360MU. If we find that as plain text, it's likely to be not encrypted (but can be signed though).
EDIT: That dump got heavily compressed, 64MB to 700kb biggrin.gif Good thing, makes downloadin a lot faster tongue.gif


I know i was thinking of where i was going to host it, then i compressed it and it went down it 700kb. It made things alot eaiser. I made a dump wih hex workshop after i re formated it in the xbox. and before i formated it in the pc. It was different from the other dump. I will post it once i get home but i dont think it will help, I didn't see much in it.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Chris_F on January 02, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Don't use "memory unit" with the dd command. That's not the real device name. It will probably be sda. If that doesn't work try sdb, sdc... ect.

This post has been edited by Chris_F: Jan 3 2006, 01:49 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 02, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
Nope no go. I tried all the way to /sdk.

I think i might need to install the driver, but i can't figure out how to do it.

Edit: after reading some things abount mounting usb storage devices i dont think all the usb modules are loaded. Can anyone recommmend another distro of linux that might be better than the one i am using which is slax.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 3 2006, 06:15 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 04, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
BTW, have you already uploaded the dump somewhere? smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 04, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
nope i will upload the dump using hex workshop, with it not formated tonight. I was playing Cod2 with a friend all last night.  biggrin.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 04, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Here is it using Hex workshop and the card not formated. I don't think it will help. I need to do it in linux but i need help getting linux setup to do it, if anybody can help please PM me.

Memory Card Unformatted
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: gothi on January 05, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Looking at that dump it has a FATX header but what appears to be some garbage on it, probably due to it being formatted with FAT32 at some point.
I would suggest wiping it clean (restoring a zero'd image dump if that won't kill it) and formatting it in the 360, then attaching it to the pc and taking another grab. Then I'd add a save to it and then another grab for comparison purposes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by gothi: Jan 5 2006, 11:33 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Damascus on January 05, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Just a thought, how about copying Hexic to your memory card, we have access to the Demo version of Hexic on the kiosk disk, Might be something good to compare agaisnt.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 06, 2006, 07:30:00 AM
Using xboxdumper and your image I was able to extract the contents. Here's what the first image contained.

CODE
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:24 CL:2 D1:07:09:50-31/12/2005 D2:07:09:50-31/12/2005 D3:07:09:50-31/12/2005)
/Content  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:3 D1:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D2:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D3:07:39:38-31/12/2005)
 /E0000A4A5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:4 D1:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D2:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D3:07:39:38-31/12/2005)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5 D1:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D2:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D3:07:39:38-31/12/2005)
   /00010000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:6 D1:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D2:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D3:07:39:38-31/12/2005)
    /E0000A4A5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:102400 CL:7 D1:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D2:07:39:38-31/12/2005 D3:07:39:38-31/12/2005)


'name.txt' containing the phrase 'Memory Unit'
and the only other file: /E0000A4A5A5364A4 is a strange version of a PIRS file. Hexing through it I located a few .pngs and a compressed bit of data called 'ACCOUNT' (your xbox live account?) PNG's contained were that of a dog.. This ur gamerpicture?

Noticed your 'unformatted' dump. Here's it's contents.

CODE
J:\xbox360hdd>xboxdumper -memcard list 0 newdump.bin
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:2 CL:2 D1:04:20:32-2/1/2006 D2:04:20:32-2/1/2006 D3:04:20:32-2/1/2006)
/Cache  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:3 D1:04:20:32-2/1/2006 D2:04:20:32-2/1/2006 D3:04:20:32-2/1/2006)

J:\xbox360hdd>xboxdumper -memcard list 1 newdump.bin
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:24 CL:2 D1:04:21:24-2/1/2006 D2:04:21:24-2/1/2006 D3:04:21:24-2/1/2006)


All memory units should have to Fatx Partitions. One at 0x00 offset and another at 0x7ff000. It seems ur first image had the first partition corrupted. If u could, dump some more images with other files. Interested in tearing them apart.

This post has been edited by Angerwound: Jan 6 2006, 03:35 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 06, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
Wow Angerwound and JoHnnyTK36, that's pretty cool ;D
Hope to see some savegame exploits smile.gif
But we first need some savegames to get dumped biggrin.gif
I'd myself try this out if I had a HD for backup if I screw up my MU for some reason biggrin.gif
Maybe we could DD the contents of the MU to a 64Mb flash drive and try it smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 06, 2006, 08:47:00 AM
Yes, please make some more dumps available with different content on it. Anything u can manage to copy to the sucker. If u could, try and copy a live arcade title to it and dump (if she fits).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 06, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
Look forward to as many dumbs as i can think of tonight around 7:00, 7:30 central time. I get off at work at 6 and then i will make some dumps after i get home.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 06, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 6 2006, 06:01 PM) View Post

Look forward to as many dumbs as i can think of tonight around 7:00, 7:30 central time. I get off at work at 6 and then i will make some dumps after i get home.

Great. Make a gamer profile, and play some games, then dump the card. smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: OpticNurv on January 06, 2006, 11:23:00 AM
QUOTE(MaTiAz @ Jan 6 2006, 10:08 AM) *

Great. Make a gamer profile, and play some games, then dump the card. smile.gif


better yet, make a profile, play splintercell 1 and make a savegame so we can compare the save system with the original xboxs' and maybe get the old sc exploit on the 360 and give it a shot
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 06, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
I think using a save game exploit from xbox 1 has been disscused and won't work. I can't remmber why. Maybe somebody that can rember will tell you. anyway i dont think the save will be saved on the memory card. It will probley be saved on the hardrive since you have to have a hardrive to play xbox 1 games.

I will get on this once i get home, im off to class (im at lunch right now).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: crb0621 on January 06, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
The xbox game saves are automatically stored on the hard drive, and in the storage area of the 360, the only option it gives you is to delete it, no copying or moving sad.gif
Good work everyone, seems like everything is progressing along!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 12:15:00 AM
OK sorry about not getting them up to now. It takes a while for me to upoad them on satalite internet. I took a nap while the first one was uploading ad i just woke up biggrin.gif . They are around 40mb each. I am still uploading the second one  right now. If we need any different dumps made, just ask and i will try to get them up as quick as i can.

The first one has the game Wik: fable of souls, a gamer profile named TEST (no saves), The Cod2 US GI 2 gamer picture, the PDZ theme, and the EA Sports fight night round trailer.

Here is a link. Link to Memory Card Dump 3

The second one has a gamer profile named Player 1. But this one has a games save from WiK: Fable of souls and Cod2. What is weird is that it is almost the same size of the first one.


LINK TO COME

I did reformat the card using the 360 each time beofore i put the stuff on the card.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 05:49:00 AM
Link For Memory Card Dump 4
For information about it look to the post above this one.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Awesome, let me dump the contents for you and get back with some information.

EDIT: Can't seem to grab the files this time. Savefile.com isnt liking me.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Contents of SectorDump3.bin

CODE
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:24 CL:2 D1:00:09:14-7/1/2006 D2:00:09:14-7/1/2006 D3:00:09:14-7/1/2006)
/Content  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:3 D1:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D2:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D3:00:29:20-7/1/2006)
 /0000000000000000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:4 D1:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D2:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D3:00:29:20-7/1/2006)
  /584107DD  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5 D1:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D2:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D3:00:29:20-7/1/2006)
   /000D0000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:6 D1:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D2:00:29:20-7/1/2006 D3:00:29:20-7/1/2006)
    /648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058  [    ] (SZ:23621632 CL:7 D1:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D2:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D3:00:10:52-7/1/2006)
  /454107DE  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5a9 D1:00:34:12-7/1/2006 D2:00:34:12-7/1/2006 D3:00:34:12-7/1/2006)
   /000C0000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5aa D1:00:34:12-7/1/2006 D2:00:34:12-7/1/2006 D3:00:34:12-7/1/2006)
    /6E4D5DC0DFF67231A4DA6148C9FB0D666278ED5F45  [    ] (SZ:11841536 CL:5ab D1:00:31:32-7/1/2006 D2:00:31:32-7/1/2006 D3:00:31:32-7/1/2006)
  /4D5307D3  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:87e D1:00:36:00-7/1/2006 D2:00:36:00-7/1/2006 D3:00:36:00-7/1/2006)
   /00030000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:87f D1:00:36:00-7/1/2006 D2:00:36:00-7/1/2006 D3:00:36:00-7/1/2006)
    /E27B9EF501D84FEDC09AA25473877452E58CF2644D  [    ] (SZ:3633152 CL:880 D1:01:36:16-24/12/2005 D2:01:36:16-24/12/2005 D3:01:36:16-24/12/2005)
  /415607D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:95e D1:00:41:24-7/1/2006 D2:00:41:24-7/1/2006 D3:00:41:24-7/1/2006)
   /00020000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:95f D1:00:41:24-7/1/2006 D2:00:41:24-7/1/2006 D3:00:41:24-7/1/2006)
    /6A69C0955E8BA7B0E9B3D48279BC67BBF78C044041  [    ] (SZ:69632 CL:960 D1:00:40:02-7/1/2006 D2:00:40:02-7/1/2006 D3:00:40:02-7/1/2006)
 /E0000D105A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:965 D1:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D2:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D3:00:43:22-7/1/2006)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:966 D1:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D2:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D3:00:43:22-7/1/2006)
   /00010000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:967 D1:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D2:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D3:00:43:22-7/1/2006)
    /E0000D105A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:102400 CL:968 D1:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D2:00:43:22-7/1/2006 D3:00:43:22-7/1/2006)


It's quite hard to distinguish between a folder and a file unless you look at the [SZ:] (size) field.
Going through and seeing what we have here.

Request for next dump... XBOX 1 gamesave from 360.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
Layout of WIK: Fable of Souls arcade game once extracted from it's content package.
File location in Sectordump3.bin: /Content/0000000000000000/584107DD/000D0000/648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058

CODE
Extracting /arcade/ArcadeInfo.xml
Extracting /arcade/CERO_C.png
Extracting /arcade/default.xex
Extracting /arcade/ESRB_E.png
Extracting /arcade/KMRB_A.png
Extracting /arcade/OFLC_AU_A.png
Extracting /arcade/PEGI_3P.png
Extracting /arcade/PEGI_4P.png
Extracting /arcade/USK_A.png
Extracting /arcade/WikConfiguration.xlast
Extracting /arcade/media/01-Loop-Apprentice.png
Extracting /arcade/media/02-String-Looper.png
Extracting /arcade/media/03-Perfect-Grub-Hero.png
Extracting /arcade/media/04-Challenge-Apprentice.png
Extracting /arcade/media/05-Challenge-Master.png
Extracting /arcade/media/06-Story-Apprentice.png
Extracting /arcade/media/07-Story-Master.png
Extracting /arcade/media/08-Ghost-Master-Hero.png
Extracting /arcade/media/09-Liberator-of-Caged-Souls.png
Extracting /arcade/media/10-Mouth-Full-of-Bugs.png
Extracting /arcade/media/11-Acrobatic-Master-1.png
Extracting /arcade/media/12-Acrobatic-Master-2.png
Extracting /arcade/media/data.dat
Extracting /arcade/media/WikXbox-64x64.png
Extracted 24 files


As you can see, not all titles are SWF players like hexic. Must of been their choice development environment.

It seems that anything actually downloaded from the live servers is a 'form' of PIRS file format. It fits every aspect of the format except it's Magic is 'LIVE' instead of 'PIRS'. Current set of PIRSTools works just fine with them for those of you wondering.

The FightNight Round 3 trailer appears to be located at this location:
/Content/0000000000000000/454107DE/000C0000/6E4D5DC0DFF67231A4DA6148C9FB0D666278ED5F45
Thanks for this! Don't have a 360 here to play the game yet, trailer will hold me over! wink.gif

The Perfect Dark Zero Theme is located here:
/Content/0000000000000000/4D5307D3/00030000/E27B9EF501D84FEDC09AA25473877452E58CF2644D
Note to Pedro: PIRSTools works just fine on this theme file! Extracted just fine. Got me some new wallpaper for my pc! beerchug.gif

Johnny: Was this a fully purchased arcade game or demo version?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: rootofallevil on January 07, 2006, 11:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 7 2006, 06:59 PM) *



[code]Extracting /arcade/ArcadeInfo.xml

Extracting /arcade/default.xex





xex?  ph34r.gif  WHAT? .XEX?
aint that good?
LOL try putin dat demo on the kiosk disk !!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
That will not work. More then likely these .xex's aren't going to have the dvd-rom media flags.

The Call of Duty 2 US GI Gamer Picture is here:
/Content/0000000000000000/415607D1/00020000/6A69C0955E8BA7B0E9B3D48279BC67BBF78C044041

and also here:
IPB Image
beerchug.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
Fully purchased, i didn't think it would matter to put the one i purchased up since you can copy it anyway and there isnt a way that people can copy it back to the memory card anyway.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
Yep, no copyright problems at the moment. Savegames are freely distributable i believe.

/Content/E0000D105A5364A4/FFFE07D1/00010000/E0000D105A5364A4
would be your gamerprofile. Bit of a strange format. Contains a few .pngs and some data. Much like the one from your earlier dump.

Link to HDWMV Fight Night Round 3 Trailer extracted from your dump. For those like me that haven't gotten a chance to see it's beauty! wink.gif

Fight Night Round 3 WMVHD Trailer
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
NOTE: And for anyone that is interrested, I didn't put my real profile on the card. So don't try and get my Xbox live information. Sorry it is just one created for this experiment.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 12:04:00 PM
Layout of Sectordump4.bin

CODE
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:24 CL:2 D1:00:59:00-7/1/2006 D2:00:59:00-7/1/2006 D3:00:59:00-7/1/2006)
/Content  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:3 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
 /E0000ECA5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:4 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
   /00010000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:6 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
    /E0000ECA5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:188416 CL:7 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
  /415607D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5be D1:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D2:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D3:01:11:02-7/1/2006)
   /00000001  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5bf D1:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D2:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D3:01:11:02-7/1/2006)
    /savegame.svg  [    ] (SZ:286720 CL:5c0 D1:01:19:36-7/1/2006 D2:01:19:36-7/1/2006 D3:01:19:36-7/1/2006)
 /0000000000000000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:e D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:f D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
   /00020000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:10 D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
    /584107dd  [    ] (SZ:90112 CL:11 D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
  /584107DD  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:19 D1:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D2:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D3:01:09:20-7/1/2006)
   /000D0000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:1a D1:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D2:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D3:01:09:20-7/1/2006)
    /648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058  [    ] (SZ:23621632 CL:1b D1:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D2:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D3:00:10:52-7/1/2006)


Seems to have 4 packages/files here. Examining contents still...

After some more examination of file formats. We should work on a method of returning the save to the memory card. Then we'll have us a way of distribution of Gamesaves (Xbox-saves.com style).


/Content/E0000ECA5A5364A4/FFFE07D1/00010000/E0000ECA5A5364A4
Appears to be your 'Player1' profile. Managed to extract a .png from the unknown file format. Can you confirm if this is the GamerPicture of that profile?IPB Image
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: krayzie on January 07, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
nice to see some actuall usefull progress being made on these 360 boards
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
/Content/E0000ECA5A5364A4/415607D1/00000001/savegame.svg
This is your Call of Duty 2 Gamesave. Same format as your 'Profiles' that you copied over. Also located another .png inside. See here: IPB Image
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
If i can get this fatx working in linux i hope i can just see the information and copy back and forth.

CAN ANYBODY HELP ME PLEASE WITH THE LINUX PART.

We can aim back and forth tonight once i get off of work at 6.

I am thinking of making adapter for the memory card to usb. One that you can jsut plug teh memory card into without modding the card. I might try to make one from scratch but i really want to use a port from a broken 360. I won't be able to get one of those untill the 90 day warrentys run out for those people that forgot to get the extended one and they can't fix the 360 and get fed up and sell it. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 7 2006, 01:11 PM) *

Layout of Sectordump4.bin

CODE
/name.txt  [    ] (SZ:24 CL:2 D1:00:59:00-7/1/2006 D2:00:59:00-7/1/2006 D3:00:59:00-7/1/2006)
/Content  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:3 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
 /E0000ECA5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:4 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
   /00010000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:6 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
    /E0000ECA5A5364A4  [    ] (SZ:188416 CL:7 D1:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:00:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:00:24-7/1/2006)
  /415607D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5be D1:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D2:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D3:01:11:02-7/1/2006)
   /00000001  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:5bf D1:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D2:01:11:02-7/1/2006 D3:01:11:02-7/1/2006)
    /savegame.svg  [    ] (SZ:286720 CL:5c0 D1:01:19:36-7/1/2006 D2:01:19:36-7/1/2006 D3:01:19:36-7/1/2006)
 /0000000000000000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:e D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
  /FFFE07D1  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:f D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
   /00020000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:10 D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
    /584107dd  [    ] (SZ:90112 CL:11 D1:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D2:01:01:24-7/1/2006 D3:01:01:24-7/1/2006)
  /584107DD  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:19 D1:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D2:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D3:01:09:20-7/1/2006)
   /000D0000  [    ] (SZ:0 CL:1a D1:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D2:01:09:20-7/1/2006 D3:01:09:20-7/1/2006)
    /648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058  [    ] (SZ:23621632 CL:1b D1:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D2:00:10:52-7/1/2006 D3:00:10:52-7/1/2006)


Seems to have 4 packages/files here. Examining contents still...

After some more examination of file formats. We should work on a method of returning the save to the memory card. Then we'll have us a way of distribution of Gamesaves (Xbox-saves.com style).
/Content/E0000ECA5A5364A4/FFFE07D1/00010000/E0000ECA5A5364A4
Appears to be your 'Player1' profile. Managed to extract a .png from the unknown file format. Can you confirm if this is the GamerPicture of that profile?IPB Image


Yeah thats the picture. If i remember right, i let the xbox pick it.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Jan 7 2006, 12:21 PM) View Post

nice to see some actuall usefull progress being made on these 360 boards


Glad to see you made it Krayzie!

Johnny: I can help with the linux portion. We can build a xlinux with BigEndian Fatx support later tonight to play with movie things back. You've got my aim. If not 'Angerwound'
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 7 2006, 01:24 PM) View Post

/Content/E0000ECA5A5364A4/415607D1/00000001/savegame.svg
This is your Call of Duty 2 Gamesave. Same format as your 'Profiles' that you copied over. Also located another .png inside. See here: IPB Image


I bet thats the picture of the gamesave. When you copy a gamesave to a  memory card it has a picture to represent the save. I bet that is the picture.

NOTE: That call of duty save has the first Training mission beaten on easy.(It was over in like 2 minutes, i have all ready beat that level on Veteren, i just flew though that level)

QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 7 2006, 01:26 PM) View Post

Glad to see you made it Krayzie!

Johnny: I can help with the linux portion. We can build a xlinux with BigEndian Fatx support later tonight to play with movie things back. You've got my aim. If not 'Angerwound'


Thanks. Yeah i got your aim. Mine is Johnnytk36 , go figure biggrin.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: rusty stucco on January 07, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
With these gamesaves is there anyway that someone could possibly cheat with these.  I see that since we now know where they are located we could possibly transfer them to another profile and see if they get that far in a level then are able to bypass the hardest parts...And in the end get an achievment for doing almost nothing?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Nah! Achievements are awarded with their own routines. Therefore, would need to accomplish the feat themselves to run the achievement routines in the game. Profiles will merely allow the user to access levels etc..


EDIT: WIK Gamesave: /Content/0000000000000000/FFFE07D1/00020000/584107dd

Johnny: Seems your 4th dump also contained the WIK Arcade Game Package. /Content/0000000000000000/584107DD/000D0000/648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 7 2006, 01:34 PM) View Post

Johnny: Seems your 4th dump also contained the WIK Arcade Game Package. /Content/0000000000000000/584107DD/000D0000/648945D83E85F7A2EDAAEC857E71FE039FBC9E4058


Thats weird i thought i just put the "gamesave" on it. I will check it out when i get home. I might have to have them both on it to work. Or i just copied both without thinking. I'l make sure to check that out.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 07, 2006, 12:55:00 PM

JoHnnyTK36:
Do you still need assistance getting fatx support on linux?
I was able to get original xbox game saves onto the 360 see my post at xbh

http://www.xboxhacker.net/forums/index.php?topic=169.0

HTH
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 12:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 7 2006, 01:02 PM) View Post

JoHnnyTK36:
Do you still need assistance getting fatx support on linux?
I was able to get original xbox game saves onto the 360 see my post at xbh

http://www.xboxhacke...php?topic=169.0

HTH



Excellent job Rymez! Exactly what our next area of investigation was! However, using *nix and mounting images is a problem with the average user. We need a simpler solution. We'll see what we can come up with using the memory unit. MSG me on AIM if u get a chance, 'Angerwound'
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 7 2006, 02:02 PM) View Post

JoHnnyTK36:
Do you still need assistance getting fatx support on linux?
I was able to get original xbox game saves onto the 360 see my post at xbh

http://www.xboxhacke...php?topic=169.0

HTH


I will take as much help as i can get, i haven't used linux for years. Even then i didn't do much with it. I was to young and liked windows better (i know thats the price for lack of better knowledge). Angerwound is going to help me tonight. I would like to know what version and distro of linux and a link to it i need to download. So i can get that started on my home PC at the house when i run home on break.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: OpticNurv on January 07, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
great news, as soon as i pick up a new (and unfuxed) memory unit i'll give it a shot, first thing i'm doin is transfering the sc exploit smile.gif if anyone is more available to do so, then do so & post the results wink.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(OpticNurv @ Jan 7 2006, 04:13 PM) View Post

great news, as soon as i pick up a new (and unfuxed) memory unit i'll give it a shot, first thing i'm doin is transfering the sc exploit smile.gif if anyone is more available to do so, then do so & post the results wink.gif

If you need help getting this set up in windows just ask.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: OpticNurv on January 07, 2006, 03:21:00 PM
well, message me over aim: OptiNurv     <-----(yes there is no C on that) we'll talk more
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rustmonkey on January 07, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
Great to see this is going somewhere... after deciphering the pin out and stopping there (mainly because I'm to cheap to buy a memcard... plus not nearly as experienced with hex as all you guys), i thought this was dead.  But its great to see you guys take it and fly!  Keep up the awesome work!!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
This has already been discussed, but the 360 will not allow you to copy xbox 1 game saves(i can confirm that myself).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 07, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
Just to let everybody know, me and angerbound have got alot done tonight. We still have experiments to do. Once we reach a good point. One of us will compile it into a document and upload it for all to read.

HELP

I still need help getting  Big Endian FATX support in linux.  Aim me at Johnnytk36

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 8 2006, 05:22 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
Update: XBOX 360 Gamesaves (not legacy xbox1 saves) are hardcoded to each profile they reside in. Therefore, we won't see any sharing of gamesaves (RE: xbox-saves.com) this generation. Unless one would want to download an entirely new profile to say play the last level real quick or somethin. Nothing two helpful.

Each profile is given it's own 'ProfileID' which it uses to store its gamesaves and uniquely save them.

For example here is the layout of a gamesave with just Call of Duty 2.

CODE

/Content
    /E0000ECA5A5364A4  <- Profile-ID
         /FFFE07D1 <- Dash Version/TitleID
             /00010000
                 /E0000ECA5A5364A4  <- Profile Data File
         /415607D1  <- Call of Duty 2 TitleID
             /00000001  
                 /savegame.svg  <- Call of Duty 2 Save


Each profile will contain the Profile Data File as well as a folder for each game's titleid and the contained saves.
Each savefile will contain the 'ProfileID' at offset 0x371 in the file. Thus, giving it some unique data and is then signed with the 2048 bit key. That way, this gamesave can be used ONLY with the profile data of the same ProfileID. Profile Data File's are signed as well, leave out any room for adjustments.

Arcade Content, Movies, Music, and Themes are a bit different. They are transferrable between profiles and between consoles.

Structure Example:
CODE

/Content  
      /0000000000000000 <- Blank instead of a 'ProfileID'
           /584107D1 <- TitleID of Hexic
                 /000D0000
                        /584107D100000001 <- Hexic Package
           /FFFE07D1 <- Dash Version/TitleID
                 /00020000  <- GamerPicture Collection
                        /FFFE07D11000.GamerPicture  <- PIRS Archive Containing 64x64 PNG
                        /FFFE07D11001.GamerPicture
                 /00030000 <- Theme Collection
                        /easportstheme <- PIRS Archive of Theme - Wallpapers+Guide Image
                        /guntheme
                        /halo2theme


Based on my findings. The content appears not to be signed unique to each console. Moving from one console to another shouldn't be a problem as long as you place it in the correct directories.

This post has been edited by Angerwound: Jan 8 2006, 07:32 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 08, 2006, 04:16:00 AM
JoHnnyTK36: I will do a howto later on today on how I got fatx support working on my linux box machine.

Angerwound: My 360 gamesave pdzsave.dat also appears to contain my drive serial at offset 0x400h





Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 08, 2006, 04:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 8 2006, 04:47 AM) View Post

JoHnnyTK36: I will do a howto later on today on how I got fatx support working on my linux box machine.

Angerwound: My 360 gamesave pdzsave.dat also appears to contain my drive serial at offset 0x400h



I look forward to it.

Well im off to bed for a few hours. Look forward to some other ideas and some things me and angerwound can't totaly confirm yet. Have  a nice day.  smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 08, 2006, 05:56:00 AM
Just picked up a memory card to play with, had to go to 3 different towns to find one.

JoHnnyTK36: did you use resistors in the two datalines?, they would get 5v on them i think while connected to the pc. sad.gif

Oh, one little tip, dont use the connector to force the little pcb out of the plastic casing, it will break off  wink.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 08, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(maximilian0017 @ Jan 8 2006, 07:03 AM) View Post

Just picked up a memory card to play with, had to go to 3 different towns to find one.

JoHnnyTK36: did you use resistors in the two datalines?, they would get 5v on them i think while connected to the pc. sad.gif

Oh, one little tip, dont use the connector to force the little pcb out of the plastic casing, it will break off  wink.gif


Why do you think i have 2 memory cards now. I brokena nd one working. I souldered my wires directly to the little connector.

I would post pics, but i epoxyed the card shut. I dont know how hard it would be to get it open again.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lukecalypso on January 09, 2006, 04:53:00 AM
Hi,

i have mounted a 360 memory card in a reproducible way..link
First, put a 3.3 voltage regulator between pin 1 and 2 of the memory connector ( 1 is gnd, 2 is 3.3 +)
Connect pins 3 & 4 to + data and - data of usb bus, and solder them to a usb male connector.
Connet to a Xp machine, it 'will find 2 other devices (esclamation mark devices), select memory unit and force to use generic usb Mass device form complete hardware list.
Now memory is mounted but u can't browse 'cause xp doesn't recnognize fatx partitions, two choiches:

1) install linux on vmware partition
2) read bulk data with Paragon partition manager v 7 and then read bin with linux dd command

I have my bin (16 mb compressed file), if u like i can download it everywhere, Paragon partition manager can also resize the partion but i didn't try this feature.

Regards
Luke

This post has been edited by lukecalypso: Jan 9 2006, 12:59 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: serantes on January 09, 2006, 04:50:00 AM
Could any1 post a memory card dump with any full xbox live arcade game purchased that is not wik the fable of souls ? , im doing some tests, thanks in advance ? smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 09, 2006, 05:18:00 AM
QUOTE(serantes @ Jan 9 2006, 05:57 AM) View Post

Could any1 post a memory card dump with any full xbox live arcade game purchased that is not wik the fable of souls ? , im doing some tests, thanks in advance ? smile.gif


This thread is not here to steal Premium content. Use your tests with the demo versions of the game.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: serantes on January 09, 2006, 05:34:00 AM
Angerwound aka comparing differences betwen full and demo versions ? aka trying to know what ms does to unlock the full content after u have the demo in the hdd ? i don´t like these games, i have a snes for play oldskool games, im just trying to figure things, i hope this thread is not going to be one owned by nazis that don´t let ppl even talk, thanks for ur coments and keep the good work running smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 09, 2006, 06:15:00 AM
The console edits a few bytes of the game and resigns it. You can easily discover this yourself by examining a demo and then purchasing it full and examining. Don't need to have other people purchase it for you.

I'm not being a nazi, but by your post you can tell your just requesting some games so you don't have to pay for them.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 09, 2006, 06:20:00 AM
JoHnnyTK36:
Take a look at these instructions not mine. Only found them yesterday while checking for something else.
http://cvs.xbox-linux.org/viewcvs.py/xbox-...box?view=markup
Let me know if you get stuck.
Also what distro are you using?

Angerwound:
Will try and install AIM. Currently using msn.


Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: serantes on January 09, 2006, 06:23:00 AM
Angerwound my apogizes , it was not my intention what i want to know is after the xbox360 leechs the .xcp file it uncompress it and the current uncompressed file thats inside of the .xcp is it the pirs file ? and if is that way can the xbox write inside of this file ?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 09, 2006, 05:54:00 AM
Glad to see you back on track of things. smile.gif

Yes, the xbox grabs the .xcp package from its content provider and places it on its cache partition.
It then has to decided whether or not you should have the full game or not. It checks it's purchase logs for your gamertag.

If you have purchased the game it unpacks the PIRS from th .xcp, edits a few bytes in the header and resigns the entire PIRS file.

If you haven't purchased it. I'd imagine it simply unpacks the PIRS and places it where it needs to be, thus not enabling the full version.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: serantes on January 09, 2006, 06:04:00 AM
well so xcp is just for avoid ppl from uncompressing the data, what a waste of time and effort i suposse if the console would work with xcp it would be quite slow, well im still searhing for a memory card for do my tests but maybe u already done urs so i will try to ask u ... if u copy ur gamerprofile to the mc dump it, hex edit it and look for your current image, and u replace it with other with the same size or smallest, can u write the mc dump back to the mc and use it ? or does the console have some check for the integrity of the data ?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 09, 2006, 06:09:00 AM
Profiles are signed just like gamesave data and content. This would alter the signature and not allow it to load.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 09, 2006, 06:46:00 AM
UPDATE: I'd like to retract my previoius statement about how 360 gamesaves cannot be shared between consoles and profiles...

It seems that if you place a gamesave from an entirely different profile/console on a memcard and copy it to your main profile/hdd it will pop a message on the screen stating, "By copying or moving these items you will become the new owner. You will not be able to earn achievements for gameplay using these items."

So yes, gamesaves are signed to your profile. But it seems if one exists that is signed to another profile, the game will play and accept it. It just will not allow you to unlock achievements based on that profile (since it's not signed to your main profile).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 9 2006, 06:51 AM) View Post

JoHnnyTK36:
Take a look at these instructions not mine. Only found them yesterday while checking for something else.
http://cvs.xbox-linu...box?view=markup
Let me know if you get stuck.
Also what distro are you using?

Angerwound:
Will try and install AIM. Currently using msn.



Thanks. I will try this once i get home from school and work. I was running a slax live cd. I am making a dedicated linux machine tonight. I have the newest distro of Dibian downloading and i also have a pci sata card coming so i can also dump and explore the hardrive. I tried doing it last night, but i messed up my drive(somehow i corrupted my 360 profile on my hardrive. I had to reformat it and redownload all my settings. I saved my cod2 and gun saves but it wouldnt let me copy my Pdz saves.)

I also messed up my NTFS drive that was connected to the computer i was trying to dump to. I read on the slax websit that linux dosen't like NTFS.

I will have a in depth guide with pictures up tonight or tommorow on how o mod your memory card and then connect ti to your pc.

QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 9 2006, 07:53 AM) View Post

UPDATE: I'd like to retract my previoius statement about how 360 gamesaves cannot be shared between consoles and profiles...

It seems that if you place a gamesave from an entirely different profile/console on a memcard and copy it to your main profile/hdd it will pop a message on the screen stating, "By copying or moving these items you will become the new owner. You will not be able to earn achievements for gameplay using these items."

So yes, gamesaves are signed to your profile. But it seems if one exists that is signed to another profile, the game will play and accept it. It just will not allow you to unlock achievements based on that profile (since it's not signed to your main profile).


Thats awesome. I didn't even think about trying that. I now see why they ask for what profile you want to use to to see the gamesaves.


QUOTE(serantes @ Jan 9 2006, 07:11 AM) View Post

well so xcp is just for avoid ppl from uncompressing the data, what a waste of time and effort i suposse if the console would work with xcp it would be quite slow, well im still searhing for a memory card for do my tests but maybe u already done urs so i will try to ask u ... if u copy ur gamerprofile to the mc dump it, hex edit it and look for your current image, and u replace it with other with the same size or smallest, can u write the mc dump back to the mc and use it ? or does the console have some check for the integrity of the data ?


I might have a extra card (my first prototype) (pics are on the first post i made in this thread) for you. PM me about it if you want it.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 09, 2006, 01:17:00 PM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 8 2006, 04:01 PM) *

Why do you think i have 2 memory cards now. I brokena nd one working. I souldered my wires directly to the little connector.


Sorry, that line was meant for the people who want to try this, you already have a working setup.

I still believe that a voltage/current limiting resistor would be best for the datalines, 5v on a 3.3v device is trouble in my opinion, the problem there is ofcource the data that is sent back to the computer.
Will try to find a resistor value that works as soon as i have some time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What kind of linux should i install for FATX support? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(maximilian0017 @ Jan 9 2006, 01:48 PM) View Post

Sorry, that line was meant for the people who want to try this, you already have a working setup.

I still believe that a voltage/current limiting resistor would be best for the datalines, 5v on a 3.3v device is trouble in my opinion, the problem there is ofcource the data that is sent back to the computer.
Will try to find a resistor value that works as soon as i have some time. smile.gif

What kind of linux should i install for FATX support? blink.gif


I found no probelm with 5 volts on 3.3 so far, but it might be a monster in the closet for later.

I will add a guide to get fatx working to once i get that figured out.

If you get the resistor value working i will add it to a guide i am going to post tonight.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 09, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Hey, it'd be cool if someone could make a tutorial on what you need to hook the MU up to USB.
I'll try to check for some shit to make connectors for the MU's. A SD card would be perfect for a connector, as it'd fit inside the MU perfectly with some cutting (but sacrificing the SD card unfortunately). smile.gif
Off to do some research tomorrow, but now I'll go to sleep, 2,5 hours of sleep last night wink.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 09, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE
I also messed up my NTFS drive that was connected to the computer i was trying to dump to. I read on the slax websit that linux dosen't like NTFS.


I use Slackware 10.2 it doesn't seem to have any probs mounting my ntfs partitions. I also have ext3/ext2 software on my win xp machine to read the linux partitions in windows. Speeds up things a lot.

Also I saw you are having problems copying your PDZ save to your memory card? I had that same issue aswell there's a article on ms kb about that there answer is just try again  huh.gif

Finally I was tempted to modify a knoppix/slackware live cd and add fatx support might do it sometime if I get a chance, do you think it would be usefull?

Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 9 2006, 03:22 PM) View Post

I use Slackware 10.2 it doesn't seem to have any probs mounting my ntfs partitions. I also have ext3/ext2 software on my win xp machine to read the linux partitions in windows. Speeds up things a lot.

Also I saw you are having problems copying your PDZ save to your memory card? I had that same issue aswell there's a article on ms kb about that there answer is just try again  huh.gif

Finally I was tempted to modify a knoppix/slackware live cd and add fatx support might do it sometime if I get a chance, do you think it would be usefull?


That ext3/ext2 software looks interresting i might have to google it.

Yes i think that would be usefull, that way people could just pop a disk into the drive and access their xbox hardrive when they connect it to the pc.

I just reformatted my hardrive and lost the PDz save. I will beat it again. Wasen't to hard to do it. I need to get better at the game anyway.

I am making a tutorial. I have all the pictures taken and the whole tutorial written out (Wrote it at school). I just have to type it up. So look for it late tonight or early tommorow. It will be a guide for making the memory card to usb cable and a guide of how to get it working in windows.

That is a good idea. Make it where a Sd card sticks out of the back of the memory unit and you could just plug it into a sd card reader. I would try it but i have already put down $120 on memory cards.

The best way would be no mods to the card itself but a adapter made out of the connector inside teh xbox 360. we will have to wait till there are alot of broken 360s on the market for sell i think to get alot of them
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: serantes on January 09, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
To make a linux live cd with fatx is definily a must have and a thing that a lot of ppl as me would use, so if some1 can do it , no doubt about it or even posting a tutorial about how to make urown live cd from cero or even other tutorial about how to add fatx support to X linux distrib, anyways im planing to make custom connectors for the hard drive and for the memory card this weekend, i think a have 2 good ideas for the connectors, but im having big trouble finding a memory cardn where i live, so i will check tomorrow again for it to have my own fun smile.gif , i will post a tutorial if i have sucess making good and easy connectors ofcourse smile.gif keep the good work running smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
So i have done some testing and  found that to drop the volage from 5 volts to 3.3 took 20 ohms.

You will need to wire 2   10 ohm resisters  togather. You should use 1/2 watt resissters. 1/4th was marginal.

I will add this section to my guide.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 10 2006, 03:14 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
OK here is my new adapter  and my old one. The new one is on top, and the old one is on bottom.
IPB Image

I'm still working on the guide.

I have started installing linux, so i hope to have all that done by tommrow and get fatx support working.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 09, 2006, 11:51:00 PM
Sorry guys, I will not be able to get the guide up for a while. I have had some family problems and i just wont have the time for a while, i will still work on the stuff and answer any questions. I just don't have time to compile a guide.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 10 2006, 08:05 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 11, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 10 2006, 07:22 AM) *

I just wont have the time for a while.


Family goes first ofcourse, no prob

Yesterday i finally got a few minutes and got my memory card to work under windows 2000, I'll take a look at the driver problem as it looks that the m-systems driver isn't the correct one.

After that ill take a look at the winXP driver.

Did someone notice that the space reported for the memory unit is only 62 MB ?, maby the other 2 MB is used for security?!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I took 33 Ohms for the two resistors (both datalines) , due to the small current it doesn't have to be 20 or 33 Ohms exactly as long as a resistor is placed, but these value's are tested and so preferred, any higher resistor could give read errors or unable to connect.

For the regulator i took a LM 1084 3.3(Take note of the 3.3 notation, otherwise you will have a variable version) , this is a standard fixed 3.3v voltage regulator, as long as it is atleast 500ma it sould work(i'm using a 5A version because i had one lying around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) )

Can anyone tell me an easy linux version to install on my pc that will work with FATX? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Is there someone that can host a guide?

This post has been edited by maximilian0017: Jan 11 2006, 10:59 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 11, 2006, 04:27:00 AM
maximilian0017: The other two Mb is for a System partition.
I am currently using Slackware 10.2
There is a guide to getting fatx working a couple of posts above.
I am in the process of getting a live linux cd working with 360 FATX support.

Hope that helps.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 11, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 11 2006, 12:34 PM) *

maximilian0017: The other two Mb is for a System partition.
I am in the process of getting a live linux cd working with 360 FATX support.


Is there a way to get to that 2 MB?, havent seen a second raw partition on the MU

The live cd would be great, but i would really like an easy way to install it too, i already have another project going and need linux for that too.

Lets see if i get some time tonight to do something
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 11, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
How to build an usb connector on your X360 Memory unit guide V1.0
(the quick and dirty way and on your own risk!!!!!)

Tools
1. Wire cutters (small)
2. Multimeter
3. Small soldering Iron
4. Small Dril (Dremel)

Materials
1. Usb cable (not to thick)
2. Voltage regulator LM 1084 3.3 (fixed 3.3Volts!!!!!!!)
3. 2X resistor 33 Ohms (1/8 watt or bigger)(almost every 33 Ohms resistor will do)
4. Shrink tube
5. Very small box

If you have evenything needed you will be up and running within 15 minutes

Lest build it!!
1. Take the usb cable and remove the unwanted side so that you end up with an Male A connector and a piece of wire (leave it up to you how long you want to make the cable)

2. Cut the cable in half again and strip the three ends, put a little solder on the twelve wires so they will solder a lot easyer while working with delicate electronics

3. Find out the pinout of the cable using the multimeter and this site(USB)
The fun about this is that certain manufacturers change the colors of the cables so this is very important!!!!, write it down on a piece of paper and recheck!!

4. Take the two pieces of cable and solder the two wires for Data+ using one of the resistors, and then the same for Data-(dont forget the shrink tube)

5. The legs of the voltage regulator are very long, leave about 5 milimeters per pin and cut the rest off.

6. Solder both ground wires to the ground terminal on the voltage regulator (dont forget the shrink tube)
(Picture )

7. Solder the 5vdc wire (the one with the USB connector) to the input pin of the voltage regulator(dont forget the shrink tube)

8. Solder the last wire (our new 3.3Volt Wire) to the output pin of the voltage regulator(dont forget the shrink tube)

9. Mount the voltage regulator in the little box with some kind of cable restriction.

10. While making sure you dont cause any short circuit, connect the cable to your usb connector on your pc and mesure the voltage on the ground and the new 3.3v wire, this should read about 3.3volts(otherwise take it apart and start again)

10. Open up the memory unit without any sharp tools , make sure not to put any stress on the grey connector as it breaks of quite easy. (goes easyer if you first remove the little metal plate)

11. Make a hole in the plastic cover to guide your wires through, after that solder the wires the following way to the connector pins on the inside(ofcourse leaving the little board intact and connected)
From top to bottom with the xbox360 standing up
Connector  -  Wire

Pin 1          -  Ground
Pin 2          -  Data+
Pin 3          -  Data-
Pin 4          -  3.3Volt

12. Close up the memory unit and test, Windows should recognise two new devices it doesn't have drivers for, maby i'll write another little guide for that soon.

Done!!!

Thanks goes out to all the people who helped gathering with the info
Crb0621 for starting the topic
Rustmonkey for the mesurements
Lukecalypso, Willpower101, JoHnnyTK36, etc etc for testing

Feel free to add pictures etc and repost as long as the guide keeps readable and correct


Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 11, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
Great job on that guide.

Here is my guide.

Here is a like to download it, it is 22mb and in MS word format. Once i resize the images i will post it here.

http://savefile.com/files/5039022

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 12 2006, 07:16 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: tjaf on January 12, 2006, 02:19:00 AM
Some very nice work has already been done in this thread. Do you guys know of the existence of the free60 wiki? You should post the info about the savegames there. As much verified info as possible should be gathered at 1 point. Also a lot of info is already there, could be interesting for you as well.

http://www.free60.org
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 12, 2006, 02:47:00 AM
QUOTE(tjaf @ Jan 12 2006, 09:50 AM) View Post

 Do you guys know of the existence of the free60 wiki? You should post the info about the savegames there.
http://www.free60.org


Thats a good idea, if i have the time i'll take a look.

I'm working on a driver to easely install the memorycard on win2000, it will mount the drive as a volume when i'm done(with remove usb device support), maby someone else can make support for FATX under Win2K

When this works i'll build a driver for XP.

The driver reported earlyer doesn't seem to be connected to the memory unit, it looks like their driver just has the same id's as the memcard
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 12, 2006, 07:19:00 AM
Special drivers are not required. Generic USB Storage Disk drivers work just fine.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 12, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 12 2006, 02:50 PM) *

Special drivers are not required. Generic USB Storage Disk drivers work just fine.


I Know, just want drivers that install without all the hassle and forcing, gives people with less experience also the posibility of easy install.(and w2k finds less that XP)

I've got the first dumps already, no problem there.

Only that system partition as Rymez calls it is giving me a worries, does anyone have any info on that?, what does Linux say?

This post has been edited by maximilian0017: Jan 12 2006, 04:45 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 12, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
maximilian0017: System partition seems to actually be 8Mb. Do you want the offsets and exact byte sizes of the two partitions.
I will also mount these in linux when I get home and see what gets stored where.

Good work on the guide maximilian0017 and JoHnnyTK36

This post has been edited by Rymez: Jan 12 2006, 05:20 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lukecalypso on January 12, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
Thank u too for your work maximilian would u make a compete guide with linux access to memory with me?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Rymez on January 12, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
maximilian0017:
You can dump the partitions in linux with these commands.

To dump the 8Mb system partition which seems to contain Cache data and the name.txt (Memory Unit friendly name)

dd if=./sectordump4.bin of=SystemPart.dd count=8384512 bs=1                

To dump the main partition
dd if=./sectordump4.bin of=MainPart.dd skip=8384512 bs=1

Then to mount them  if you have FATX support

mount SystemPart.dd /mnt/xbox  -t fatx -o loop

Hope that helps

Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 12, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
There are three things i would like to add to my guide, and i'm to late to edit
1. Connect the memory unit to one device at a time, Xbox or PC, even if you turn one of them off it would probably damage both of them!!!!!!
2. The cable length i used is 1 meter, 30 cm between the memory unit and the voltage regulator and 70cm between the  voltage regulator and the usb connector, but the shorter the better
3. Even with the long cable attached the memory unit works in the Xbox
 
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 12 2006, 04:51 AM) View Post

 
JoHnnyTK36: have some things i want to talk to you about, i'll send you a message asap

Rymez: how big are these two partitions exactly in bytes?, If i make a dump its size is 65.077.248(62.0625MB) bytes, it should be 67108864 bytes(64MB), so where are the remaining 2031616 bytes???, please confirm
 
lukecalypso: Sometimes i have to use linux on my work(firewall), but i'm not at all an expert in the field
I' m still hoping that the other people here that know Linux make a version can be easely installed without recompiling kernels etc for FatX support(live cd would be nice but i need linux for more than FatX support, so please an installable version if possible)

After i get the drivers to install automatically under windows i'll take a look at Linux
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 12, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
CODE
u_int64_t partitionAddresses__MemCard[] = { 0x0UL,  0x7ff000UL };
u_int64_t partitionSizes__MemCard[] = { 0x7ff000UL,  (0x3E20000UL-0x7ff000UL) };


These are your partition offsets and sizes on the memory unit.

The system partition, (8mbs) simply has a cache folder that is always empty and a 'name.txt'.
This txt file also exists on the second partition where the saves are actually stored.
See below image for structure.

(IMG:http://www.aegisnetworks.com/icons/anger/mempic.jpg)

This post has been edited by Angerwound: Jan 13 2006, 12:13 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 17, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
Be gone unknown devices!!!!!

Finally got the driver files to detect everything under 2000 and XP MCE, now i only need some testers

These drivers will mount the different devices so that you can access the memory device, it will still be a raw device, but no manual forcing of drivers is neccesary
It should also work on bigger memory units

Send me a personal message stating your e-mail adres and i will mail it to the first pleople who contact me

Maby someone wants to host them for me?

Ofcource i accept no responsebility if anything goes wrong
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 17, 2006, 03:13:00 PM
Here is the link to the file

Drivers
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 17, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
I just tested this to make sure it worked and i could find no faults in it.

It is very simple, alot simpler than when i first tried to connect the MU to my computer.

Great job maximilian0017.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: leorimolo on January 17, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
I know it aint gona work but why not try to load the splinter cell exploit, well I mean the 360 is fully emulating the xbox rolleyes.gif  blink.gif

LEo-I know it wont work but id be cool laugh.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: tekn0 on January 17, 2006, 09:10:00 PM
JoHnnyTK36 awesome work on your word tutorial very well done!!!! smile.gif
maximilian0017 amazing work on the drivers!!! smile.gif

Maybe post that tut in a new thread so the XSMODS can sticky it and post the drivers/tutorial on in the news
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 18, 2006, 01:33:00 AM
Luckely MS has a standard USB Storage driver, the problem is that it didn't detect the new class used for the X360 Memory Unit.
After modifying the INF file and stripping the unneeded stuff that would accept the new memory unit.

Then i modyfied the INF file for volume management and stripped it

The most difficult one was to make an inf file for the other device i called security device, that one needed a dummy driver so that it would show up under USB devices

Hopefully this will make it a little bit easyer

What's next?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 20, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
QUOTE(tekn0 @ Jan 18 2006, 05:17 AM) View Post

Maybe post that tut in a new thread so the XSMODS can sticky it and post the drivers/tutorial on in the news


Thats a good idea, the more people who know about it the faster it gets blown open.

I'm in contact with JoHnnyTK36 about both our guides, maby we can find something in the middle that offers all the benefits(easy/safe/cheap/no restrictions)

Any word on that linux live cd with xtaf support?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 20, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Hmm, this is getting interesting. Have any of you tried to dd a dump of a MU to a USB memory device and connecting it to a 360? It'd need external power of course, IIRC the MUs run on 3,3v was it? So you'd need to get 5v from some other place, like a USB connector on the 360.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 20, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(MaTiAz @ Jan 20 2006, 11:46 PM) *

The MUs run on 3,3v was it? So you'd need to get 5v from some other place, like a USB connector on the 360.


I'd try it without 5v first, wouldn't be amazed if it would work because of the kind of electronics used, and it's less dangerous


But why would you use a memorystick if you already have a x360 memoryunt (besides from it being very small)
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 20, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
i have already tried that. it did not work, atleast with the flashdrive i have. I tried it using the supplied 3.3 volts and 5volts.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Jan 21 2006, 01:25 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 21, 2006, 06:57:00 AM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 21 2006, 12:55 AM) *

i have already tried that. it did not work, atleast with the flashdrive i have. I tried it using the supplied 3.3 volts and 5volts.


It's probably due to the other 3 virtual usb devices(yes 3 others) located on the Memory Unit, or even a checksum/code of sorts(see the bigger harddisk topic), did the xbox "look" for someting?(lock for a short amount of time after you connected the memory stick?)

Kezor:
(No offense ofcourse)
It takes about the same time to make as both the other guides, but they dont have wires that can come loose.
Test/bread-boards have the tendancy to blow up in your face, they are meant to test idea's/proof of concept, a wire that comes loose a little bit/connected wrong and byebye Xbox, you have to check everything before you connect it again.
If you want to try it 1 time it's a good idea, but as you already need to strip and solder once you can solder the rest too and have a permanent sollution.

Why did you use 2x30 ohms for the Vusb?, Johnny already stated that 20ohms total would be enough.

Both of the datalines use 5v, they should have 33 Ohms or so resistors too(see post 123)

You can loose the ground wire, not needed(i have a 1 meter usb cord permanently attached, no extra connectors/wires needed, can copy images from the xbox, unplug, go to pc and plug the usb plug in)
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: MaTiAz on January 21, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(maximilian0017 @ Jan 21 2006, 12:58 AM) View Post

I'd try it without 5v first, wouldn't be amazed if it would work because of the kind of electronics used, and it's less dangerous
But why would you use a memorystick if you already have a x360 memoryunt (besides from it being very small)

Just for the fun of it ^^
Nah, maybe this could lead us somewhere inside the xbox, making custom gamer pics (except MS would ban us all biggrin.gif) etc.

But for the Xbox to recgonize our memory sticks we'd need to somehow emulate those other USB devices, like that "Xbox Security Method" etc. Maybe we could wire the MU and the usb storage device to a switch, then connect the MU to the Xbox, let it authenticate it and the flip the switch so the 360 sees the USB storage device instead. Good thing that MS uses standards ^^
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Damascus on January 22, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
Would it be possible to isolate the security device on a MU and make a pass through device for a normal USB Flash? I was wondering the same thing about the security device on controllers, but that's kinda unrelated.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: loser on January 22, 2006, 01:53:00 AM
just wanted to add my 2 cents into the mix smile.gif

firstly i'd suggest going maximillian's route, but if you cant source an LM1084, you can use an LM317 with R1=240ohms, R2=390ohms. i did this and it works fine in both the xbox and pc without having to remove any cables.

secondly ive updated maximillians drivers to give winxp x64 support, you can get them here:
http://www.internalr...DriversV1.2.rar

does anyone know if there are any existing windows tools to give filesystem access to the memcard?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 22, 2006, 06:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Damascus @ Jan 22 2006, 09:12 AM) View Post

Would it be possible to isolate the security device on a MU and make a pass through device for a normal USB Flash? I was wondering the same thing about the security device on controllers, but that's kinda unrelated.


On free60 there are people believing that the chip on the MU is a programnable chip from Philips, maby someone with an USB analizer and knowledge of small programmable microcontrollers could do something.

If you want more storage the easyer way would be to place a secondary 64mb chip on the backside of the MU, making it a 128MB device.
This way you could also see if there are safeguards like on the the hd.

Loser:
U R right, the voltage regulator is the best option but not all people have an understanding of electronics, the 317 is a very nice alternative(easy to get), but there are two other resistors to connect making it more difficult for the non electronics guys, if we were to be completely correct we would also need a capacitor.

Far out the easyest would be leaving out the voltage regulator and replacing it with a resistor of 18-22 Ohms and putting two resistors of 33 Ohms in the two datalines, this way the mod would be alot easyer and faster.
(been discussing this with JohnnyTK36 for a while)

And great work on the x64 drivers, together we stand strong!!

I tried all of the tools used for the old XB and they dont work(even after a little modding) if those people would help they could release the sourcecode or modiy it for the MU we would be in business(if it werent for those strange packages used mad.gif )
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 22, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
QUOTE(maximilian0017 @ Jan 22 2006, 07:36 AM) View Post

Yesssss, we made it to the news on xbox-scene.com, hopefully this will bring in some new blood!!!
On free60 there are people believing that the chip on the MU is a programnable chip from Philips, maby someone with an USB analizer and knowledge of small programmable microcontrollers could do something.

If you want more storage the easyer way would be to place a secondary 64mb chip on the backside of the MU, making it a 128MB device.
This way you could also see if there are safeguards like on the the hd.

Loser:
U R right, the voltage regulator is the best option but not all people have an understanding of electronics, the 317 is a very nice alternative(easy to get), but there are two other resistors to connect making it more difficult for the non electronics guys, if we were to be completely correct we would also need a capacitor.

Far out the easyest would be leaving out the voltage regulator and replacing it with a resistor of 18-22 Ohms and putting two resistors of 33 Ohms in the two datalines, this way the mod would be alot easyer and faster.
(been discussing this with JohnnyTK36 for a while)

And great work on the x64 drivers, together we stand strong!!

I tried all of the tools used for the old XB and they dont work(even after a little modding) if those people would help they could release the sourcecode or modiy it for the MU we would be in business(if it werent for those strange packages used mad.gif )


First there is a tool in the works to allow you to access the memory via windows. Stayed tunned, it should be out not vey long from now.

I have already tried putting another card on the back of the memory card. So far it didnt work, but i think some of my solder joints weren't that good. I need to try and do some more experiments with it.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Bumpy Carrot on January 22, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
So has anyone confirmed that the 360 MU uses the big-endian FATX FS yet? Also, did anyone ever figure out the FS for the original XB memory units? I have a pendrive I use as my MU for the original XB, and I thought it might be cool if I could rip my original XB saves off it and dump it to the 360's MU or HDD. I'm not quite ready to mod my original XB yet (and, also, my brother borrowed it).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 22, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
The tool Johnny speaks of is Xplorer 360. It will be a filesystem explorer that will allow you to extract/delete/add profiles and saves to the memory unit itself. See www.360GameSaves.com for more info.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: zilli0n on January 23, 2006, 03:34:00 AM
Just got done finishing my Mem Card thanks to the info on this thread... Here's another spin on things for anyone to try... I took the USB Cable from the Wireless adapter that I am integrating into my console and used it with a SPDT slide switch from radio shack, this way looks a little cleaner, but to the same effect. I also found 22 Ohm resistors 1/2 watt from radio shack as well.

(IMG:http://www.zilli0n.com/pictures/memcard/memfront.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.zilli0n.com/pictures/memcard/memtop.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.zilli0n.com/pictures/memcard/membottom.jpg)

As far as the security chip... I have found a similarity between the mem card and wireless adapter in the image below.

(IMG:http://www.zilli0n.com/pictures/wireless/DSC01058.JPG)
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: InterestedHacker on January 23, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
QUOTE(zilli0n @ Jan 23 2006, 12:05 PM) *


As far as the security chip... I have found a similarity between the mem card and wireless adapter in the image below.




LMFAO!!  You spotted the Crystal!  It's not a security chip....  It's part of the clock generator.

EDIT: A couple of interesting points for discussion...

1)  That top left chip on the 360 photo is apparently (I can't tell 100% from your photo) an EEPROM.  That would be interesting to read...

2)  The memory chip itself, has anyone thought about stacking, or somehow adding a sub PCB for extra RAM.

EDIT: Actually, it might not be the clock crystal, but the crystal for the 2.4Ghz wireless signal, but it's nothing to do with security and it is a crystal!

This post has been edited by InterestedHacker: Jan 23 2006, 03:57 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: zilli0n on January 23, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
As it can appear that it is what I was impling... it wasn't. Similar components on each chipset is all I was pointing out... not knowing what either one of them are used for is the reason I posted it above, mcfly.

As far as adding another chip, I am pretty sure you are able to do so on the back of the PCB, has anyone been successful yet ? no.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: InterestedHacker on January 23, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE

As it can appear that it is what I was impling... it wasn't. Similar components on each chipset is all I was pointing out... not knowing what either one of them are used for is the reason I posted it above, mcfly.

As far as adding another chip, I am pretty sure you are able to do so on the back of the PCB, has anyone been successful yet ? no.



That's OK, we all learn something every day =D  Good to point things.

This post has been edited by InterestedHacker: Jan 23 2006, 04:08 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Schismatized on January 24, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
please dont flame me but what exactly have we established so far. i started reading but it seemed like ppl were just talking and not trying anything so yeah.. what have you guys accomplished so far?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 24, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
www.360GameSaves.com will show that much has been accomplished here.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Greenvalor7 on January 24, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
I have a quick question if someone would be kind enough to help. If I was to FTP my Fable gamesave from my Modded Xbox to my PC could I then transfer that save to my modded 360 Memory Card using Xplorer360 and play Fable using that transfered save on my 360 Memory Card?  blink.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: nateh90 on January 24, 2006, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Greenvalor7 @ Jan 25 2006, 04:21 AM) View Post

I have a quick question if someone would be kind enough to help. If I was to FTP my Fable gamesave from my Modded Xbox to my PC could I then transfer that save to my modded 360 Memory Card using Xplorer360 and play Fable using that transfered save on my 360 Memory Card?  blink.gif


Yes, In fact im pretty sure that you wouldnt even need the program to do that, just FATX filesystem support. Correct me if i am wrong though, because i am not that sure. Thanks - Nate
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Enixile on January 25, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Sorry if I missed any comments that may regard to this, but has anyone tried connecting the memory unit to the 360 using USB isntead of the normal connection? I would assume that this would be the first step to determine whether a USB flash drive is ever going to be possible. I read some posts somewhere before about how MS may have had a USB to MU converter for the kiosks, but I'm not sure if that was verified.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: loser on January 25, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
i tried plugging my modded x360 memcard into the usb connection on the x360.
the x360 didnt automatically find my profiles etc like it doesnt when you plug in the memcard normally.

i didnt not want to go further into accessing the memcard at this stage as i feared that it may have been reformatted into a normal fat filesystem as would be used by normal flash cards, ipods, etc.
(at this stage i had not backed up my memcard and didnt want to lose all my saves! smile.gif )

even when backing it up in windows using something like winhex, there is still the problem of not being able to back up that extra 2meg...
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on January 26, 2006, 06:14:00 PM
While looking at the wiring and the resisters and the plug on the memory unit itself.  I don't think it would be that hard to make a PCB with some Surface Mount resisters.  With this you could make a small adaptor that you could plug to your memory card and then into a USB port.  I think you could get by with soldering on some standard resisters.  If someone did a template and made a PDF.  You could easily make it with a Radio Shack PC Board Kit item number 276-1576.  I have seen some folks make the etching's with a print out from a laser printer.

What do you guys think?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on January 26, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
look forward to a memory card to usb adapter pretty soon. It will not require any modding to the memoy unit itself/

Check out www.360gamesaves.com for updates when they come.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Greenvalor7 on January 28, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
I by no means  mean to nag/witch and I will be patient as needed because I understand these things take time and I appreciate the program being made public at all smile.gif
 I was just wondering if someone had an idea of when Xplorer360 would be releaased on 360gamesaves.com? Also if any testers are needed I would sooo be game!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Druggedpolak on January 30, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
so im guessing this will be used soon or already is used for arcade game piracy?
man the public knows how to bring any company to their knees lol
 muhaha.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: nateh90 on January 30, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Druggedpolak @ Jan 31 2006, 01:58 AM) View Post

so im guessing this will be used soon or already is used for arcade game piracy?
man the public knows how to bring any company to their knees lol
 muhaha.gif


No, unless people have figured out how to crack the encryption, if the arcade game was transfered it would only be the trial version, the full version is signed to a specific user.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on January 31, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(nateh90 @ Jan 30 2006, 09:34 PM) View Post

No, unless people have figured out how to crack the encryption, if the arcade game was transfered it would only be the trial version, the full version is signed to a specific user.


I dont support the piracy of arcade content, however your right and wrong. They are tied to profiles but can be 'untied' wink.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: nateh90 on January 31, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 31 2006, 02:28 PM) View Post

I dont support the piracy of arcade content, however your right and wrong. They are tied to profiles but can be 'untied' wink.gif


Hmm I am very interested in this concept and I would be willing to help in the effort to break/manipulate the "ties", as long as there was no piracy of DLC or XBLA games, only sharing gamesaves. Thanks - Nate
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: rusty stucco on January 31, 2006, 03:17:00 PM
Angerwound, I was reading the 360saves site and noticed that achievments wont be achievable through gamesaves.  But for veteran on single player couldn't someone go to the last save on the last checkpoint of the last level of each mission.  Then have someone else get that save and have him beat that last part.  Would that not entitle the reciever of the gamesave a beaten mission?  Or does the actual game keep track of each check point and load screen so you would need to go back and beat those?  Just wondering about all that.  Thank you!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: nateh90 on January 31, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
Well, this is just a guess but since the saves arent "tied" to a certain profile, earning an acheivement with the downloaded gamesave would not earn the acheivement for the host player's profile. Just a guess though, I would check with angerwound, this is just what i have implied based on my reasearch of the gamesaves. - Nate
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: rusty stucco on January 31, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
What I was trying to say is theoretically you are still earning the Achievment.  You are going to beat that last part of the mission and should unlock the achievment for beating that mission.  You arent just getting the save for that last checkpoint where it says next mission but one where you still have to fight.  For example go all the way through D-day and stop before you go up to silo.  Then give that game save for offer on website and have people try it out and finish the mission then see if they get rewarded the Achievment.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: nateh90 on January 31, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(rusty stucco @ Feb 1 2006, 12:57 AM) View Post

What I was trying to say is theoretically you are still earning the Achievment.  You are going to beat that last part of the mission and should unlock the achievment for beating that mission.  You arent just getting the save for that last checkpoint where it says next mission but one where you still have to fight.  For example go all the way through D-day and stop before you go up to silo.  Then give that game save for offer on website and have people try it out and finish the mission then see if they get rewarded the Achievment.


Well, if you were rewarded the acheivement for doing that, that would be unfair to those who earned the acheivement by beating the entire mission. This would defeat the purpose of the acheivement and gamerscore system, because the playing field would no longer be level. - Nate
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on February 01, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
What he means is, previously scored achievements won't be transferred as they are tied to the profile. Yes you could save it just on the last level, but what's the point? The only time I ever use game saves is if I'm really stuck or I can't be bothered to unlock all the extras. If you only want the game for the achievements, you don't deserve an Xbox 360 or any other console.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 01, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
Well, for those of you who don't wish to take apart your memory card or don't have the skills to mod yours.  I have created an adaptor that will allow you to plug your memory card into a USB slot.  They won’t be more than $20 and I'm not making profit, just trying to help out.  It is on a printed circuit board and is similar to the adaptor for XBOX 1 that allows you to use thumb drives.

PM me if your interested.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 07, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
Ok guys.  I am finally almost done.  This one is a little hack job.  I promise the final ones are going to be much cleaner then this.  I got desperate and used a dremel to cut the PCB.  The final ones won't be like that.  Well, basically the idea is to not tear apart the memory card, but instead adapt to it.  So here are some pics:

IPB Image
IPB Image
IPB Image
IPB Image

What do you guys think?
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Post by: willgonz on February 07, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
Well, it is working pretty good.  I get prompted for the drivers.  However, the link to the drivers is dead.  If someone could PM me a link they would be my best friend.  So far every thing is looking good. The PCB connects into the memory card.  It doesn't fit snug, so for now I think I am going to have to use a piece of plastic and double sided tape.  Once everything is finalized by the end of the week, I'll be able to offer these to you all.
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Post by: zilli0n on February 08, 2006, 12:15:00 AM
QUOTE(willgonz @ Feb 1 2006, 09:12 AM) View Post

They won’t be more than $20 and I'm not making profit, just trying to help out.  It is on a printed circuit board and is similar to the adaptor for XBOX 1 that allows you to use thumb drives.


Don't Lie... Resistors, PCB, and everything can't cost more than 5 dollars at that, people arent stupid you know... well some are...
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 08, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(zilli0n @ Feb 7 2006, 11:22 PM) View Post

Don't Lie... Resistors, PCB, and everything can't cost more than 5 dollars at that, people arent stupid you know... well some are...

If you make them yourself then they don't cost much.  But if you have the PCB made yourself it costs more.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: gothi on February 08, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
I'd just like to add that using drivers to make the card appear as a device in Windows is a really bad idea, instead the maker of the software to transfer saves should be looking at using a "universal" USB driver such as USBIO (there is a free limited version) or libUSB to communicate with the device.

This post has been edited by gothi: Feb 8 2006, 07:59 PM
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Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on February 08, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Here is the link you wanted

www.jkutz.com/360/MemoryCardFiles/X360MemoryUnitDriversV1.1.exe
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 08, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Feb 8 2006, 12:35 PM) View Post


Thanks JoHnnyTK36
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 09, 2006, 09:10:00 AM
Ok, the USB to XBOX 360 memory adaptors are ready to go.  I tested them and they work.  They will be $20 and that will include shipping US Postal Priority Mail.  If you want one PM me.  It will ship out Monday or Tuesday.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: dwall4 on February 09, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
http://mesh.typepad....ing_a_usb_.html


or do it yourself...

i did this and i can run a 256 meg Lexar jumpdrive as my memcard, and i used the actualy memory chip from the memory card to make an action replay.  laugh.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on February 09, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
Sorry but havent you read any of this thread. Don\'t you think we have tried this.

This will not work for the 360. It has a sercurity chip inside that makes it where you cannot use just any flashdrive.

Sorry but it will NOT work.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 09, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
I have 10 of my adapters that I am selling for $5 each they work just fine, but aren't pretty.  You'll pay shipping US Mail only.  PM me if you want one.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Angerwound on February 09, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
What is the point of your adapter? Without any software to work with the Memory Card itself, you really can't do a damned thing with it.

QUOTE
Ok, the USB to XBOX 360 memory adaptors are ready to go. I tested them and they work. They will be $20 and that will include shipping US Postal Priority Mail. If you want one PM me. It will ship out Monday or Tuesday.


QUOTE
I have 10 of my adapters that I am selling for $5 each they work just fine, but aren't pretty. You'll pay shipping US Mail only. PM me if you want one.


That sure is a massive price change. Realize your radio shack kits aren't worth what you paid?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 09, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
Angerwound,
My boards aren't Radio Shack boards. Let me see you do one like mine.  Go ahead.

The reason I am going to sell them for $5 is I because they work but they got scratched up by the process.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: xsnoopyx on February 13, 2006, 07:51:00 PM
hullo. yeah i just read through this WHOLE topic and was pretty happy to see i dont have to rip open my memory card. Now I have a couple q's. Is everything willgonz used in this topic at like the begenningish or did he use something else? cuz im gonna kind of boycott what he just did to save myself an empty wallet. Oh and can you list the parts he used? Thanks!

This post has been edited by xsnoopyx: Feb 14 2006, 03:52 AM
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Post by: Taciturn_Shade on February 13, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Read this thread through and through and decided to mod my memory unit. However, in one of the guides teh creator stated that u have to keep the USB seperate from the 360 when the memory unit is in place. I tried this without that type of setup and had them  directly connected. I had no trouble copying/ duplicating files and profiles from winXP to the Xbox 360. I also used heatshrink instead of electrical tape, I'm a neat freak. I also filed a hole into the unit carrying case as well so i can still use it, though it leaves teh USB connector open and vulnerable.

Here are some pics of my setup:

Memory Unit and USB connected.
(IMG:http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Taciturn_Shade/SSPX0055.jpg)

Again.
(IMG:http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Taciturn_Shade/SSPX0057.jpg)

With Carrying Case on.
(IMG:http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Taciturn_Shade/SSPX0058.jpg)

I would post pics of it in the 360, but all I have at the moment is my camera phone, and the quality would be terrible for a shot consisting of the tv and 360. Samsung A900, camera doesn't like light coming from either my CRT or TV.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Ozy on February 14, 2006, 03:39:00 AM
When you guys are ready to ship to the UK PM me.

I would much like one (or more) of those adapters.

What would it cost me to get you to send me one of those adapters in the UK?

Will you acept PayPal payments?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: willgonz on February 14, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
I have more of my adaptors ready to be sold.  I am selling them for $5 each.  If you want one PM me.

If you PM me I have 3 units ready to go.  First three will have theirs mailed out today.  If you are wanting it from outside the US, it will take an extra day because I have to go to the post office.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on February 14, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Taciturn_Shade @ Feb 13 2006, 11:29 PM) View Post

Read this thread through and through and decided to mod my memory unit. However, in one of the guides teh creator stated that u have to keep the USB seperate from the 360 when the memory unit is in place. I tried this without that type of setup and had them  directly connected. I had no trouble copying/ duplicating files and profiles from winXP to the Xbox 360.


Dont know if i ever got around to telling yall why i have to take the usb end off using my design.

The reason you have to keep the memory unit and the usb end seperate with my design is because using the 6 pin connector, it acts like a 10 gauge wire. That is too much for the memory unit and it will not read it if you leave the usb end connected and but the memory card back in the xbox 360.

Your design works becase you solderd a usb cable directly to the card. You dont have the bigger wires like i did and you dont have the connector in the middle. So yes you can leave the usb on with your design.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: memturbo on February 15, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 12 2006, 06:46 AM) *

Great job on that guide.

Here is my guide.

Here is a like to download it, it is 22mb and in MS word format. Once i resize the images i will post it here.

http://savefile.com/files/5039022



Hi JoHnnyTK36 would it be possible for 360saves.com for now to use your guide maybe post the pics
and details ? Im just a member not a mod but alot of people have been asking for one and I
have used yours and its very detailed let me know thanks
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on February 15, 2006, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE

Hi JoHnnyTK36 would it be possible for 360saves.com for now to use your guide maybe post the pics
and details ? Im just a member not a mod but alot of people have been asking for one and I
have used yours and its very detailed let me know thanks


Thanks for asking. You can use anything you want of mine as long as i get credit. My name on 360gamesaves.com is JoHnnyTK36 (go figure).

The guide on 360gamesaves.com orignally was a moddified version of mine. You can use my guide all you want. Here is a link to it with the pics downsized so it is alot smaller.

Here is the small guide
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Taciturn_Shade on February 15, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Feb 14 2006, 02:14 PM) *

Dont know if i ever got around to telling yall why i have to take the usb end off using my design.

The reason you have to keep the memory unit and the usb end seperate with my design is because using the 6 pin connector, it acts like a 10 gauge wire. That is too much for the memory unit and it will not read it if you leave the usb end connected and but the memory card back in the xbox 360.

Your design works becase you solderd a usb cable directly to the card. You dont have the bigger wires like i did and you dont have the connector in the middle. So yes you can leave the usb on with your design.


Gotcha. I see wut u meant now.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JCBDigger on February 20, 2006, 04:04:00 AM

I've created an adpater using strip board (veroboard).  Works fine.
I've put the design on a web page for anyone who wants to make their own.

http://discoverthat....0usbadapter.htm

IPB Image


Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on February 21, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
Wow the development looks really promising! Thanks for the tutorials JCB smile.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: TVR_Fan on March 07, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Do you think one of these would work:

http://us.codejunkie...&l=1&ProdID=323
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on March 07, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(TVR_Fan @ Mar 7 2006, 02:07 PM) *


Yes one of those should work.

This post has been edited by JoHnnyTK36: Mar 7 2006, 10:56 PM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: TVR_Fan on March 07, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Good I order one in on Wednesday mate.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: ek5932 on March 15, 2006, 03:37:00 AM
Has any one who has modded their mem cards tried plugging the USB part into the USB slot of their 360. Will it read as a memory device or will it still recognise it as a card?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on March 15, 2006, 04:15:00 AM
I think someone tried it, but was too scared to turn try access it.

I see no reason why it shouldn't.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Seraph_Six on March 18, 2006, 03:44:00 PM
QUOTE(JCBDigger @ Feb 20 2006, 12:11 PM) View Post

I've created an adpater using strip board (veroboard).  Works fine.
I've put the design on a web page for anyone who wants to make their own.

http://discoverthat....0usbadapter.htm

*image cropped*


You inspired me!

IPB Image
IPB Image

All recycled parts from other projects...

- USB cable from a broken camera card reader
- Springy connectors from a broken xbox controller memory card jack
- A 27 ohm surface mount resistor yanked from the xbox controller PCB  tongue.gif
- PCB from the broken xbox controller cut and "milled" for each strip:
IPB Image

Works like a charm!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: CPO SPARKS on March 20, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
Will a 1/2W 47 0hm resistor work instead of a 33 or 27 Ohm resistor?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: SteveNZ on March 24, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
I've got the Datel X360 and Xbox card readers, and trying to use them in Windows XP-64, unfortunately the drivers aren't compatible. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get the X360 one in particular to work in XPx64? (The Xbox one I can just read over FTP from my Xbox so it's no biggy).
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on April 03, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Any more development on this?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Kaitou_Ace on April 12, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
Hey guys.  I started ripping up my 2nd mem card because it was supplied by the beast itself to me.  well what i did was remove the mem chip all together and make the 360 mem connector run straight to standard 4-pin USB female.  i knew this wouldn't work before i started, but i thought it worth a shot so i can test all this crap we're trying on my own.  anway, when i plug in the mem card with no USB connected into the 360 mem card port, nothing happens.  when i connect a USB stick to that, however, the system rechecks itself.  of course, it doesn't find anything since i haven't figured out how to get that damned security chip over to my side yet.

i was wondering if anyone had tried piggybacking a USB off of the main mem card chip...  i doubt it'd work, but basically just run a usb pinout to female off of the internal connectors of the mem card on top of how they're already connected to the board.

anybody tried that one yet?

-Kaitou_Ace
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Kaitou_Ace on April 12, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
so i tried my earlier suggestion.  of course, it didn't work.  i hook my mem card up to my pc to use boxplorer through one of those mem card to usb things you see in the stores to download content (yes they exist as mem to usb) and using the 1.1 drivers the mem card works fine.  once i add the usb cable piggybacking off the existing connections, the system no longer reads it.  the xbox 360 does the same thing it did before:  it reloads the devices to look for changes when you plug/unplug the mem card, but it never finds the card.  when i desolder the usb cable everything is normal again.

i damn thee, security chip; i damn thee straight to hell.

-Kaitou_Ace
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on April 13, 2006, 05:58:00 AM
Thanks for trying anyway.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Superj159 on April 15, 2006, 05:11:00 AM
so is it possible to use for exemle a usb stick as memory or is that
totaly out of the question
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Superj159 on April 15, 2006, 07:18:00 AM
and another thing is it possible to change the file system from my memory stick form
fat32 to fatx so that my xbox 360 would reconice it as memory unit and let is save games on it???
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on April 15, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
You can already change the filesystem. Its the sercurity chip that is getting in the way. I have been meaning to see if there is a a way i can take the security chip off the memory card and put it in a flash drive or jsut upgrade the memory in the 360s memory card. I have been very busy with school and this 360sata stuff though. I will let everybody know though if i find the time to figure out anything.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Kaitou_Ace on April 19, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
i'm assuming the security chip, which, by the way, i hate, is the silver eliptical one?  is that right?  i was wondering since there's also a similar chip in both the wireless and the wired controller.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Kaitou_Ace on April 23, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
ok you know that silver chip?  in the controllers it's eliptical.  it's also tagged with "24.000" somewhere on each of the silver chips.  at first i thought crystal since it's a 2.4ghz system, but that doesn't make any sense why it'd be in the wired and the mem card.  that's why i figured this was the security chip.  upon further investigation i learned that there is the same chip labele "24.000" inside of a device called the "medusa," which is a unit hidden under the 360 through which the xbox 360 is controlled in store displays.  it only has 2 contact points.  if anyone has any ideas or thinks this could help, i may have come across an extra medusa.

-Kaitou_Ace

Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Schismatized on May 27, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
haha^^^ tard.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: lord^infamous on May 28, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
M$ is greedy and I can't stand it.  It pisses me off beyond words that since I didn't want the HD because I only plan on storing game saves, I am almost forced to get the HD since I can't use my own personal usb flash drive.  M$'s too worried about people finding holes in their system to allow the consumer to have options.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: garyopa on June 01, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
USB ports are programmed for READ-ONLY, so memory saving will never work on the 360 via the USB
ports.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Altimit on June 13, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
That doesn't make sense, USB is just a way to send and recieve data. If they made it impossible for the USB to send any data then nothing would work since even the most basic device needs to be sent information to work.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: the goat man on June 21, 2006, 04:36:00 PM
i was just starting to make my own adapter and was wondering if i could use a female usb plug straight to the memory card just to make connections easier.

and by the way this is some great stuff here alot better than paying extra for stuff that i should i have already been able to receive with the cost of the system but i guess thats M$.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: ben1989 on June 22, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
hi there been reading your thread is there a wat to listen in on what the memcard it recivin and sending usinga usb sniffer also im goin to tyu to upgdae my memcard to a 128 some how lol thers a space on the back for a nother chp:)


ben
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Post by: fuzzai on June 27, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 1 2006, 05:44 PM) View Post

USB ports are programmed for READ-ONLY, so memory saving will never work on the 360 via the USB
ports.

If this is the case, how is one with a wired controler, with a memory card able to save? It has to go trough the USB wink.gif

An even if this is true, then im sure someone will find a way to plug a USB drive into a controller instead maybe wink.gif

M$ will be owned.....they can't always be so greedy!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: slyth on August 05, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
any advancements on this topic?

i just can't bring myself to buy a 40 dollar memory card.  But i want to portable functionality of my live account.

especially when i've got a 512mb usb thumb drive sitting here.

64mb for 40 bucks, you'd think it was the 90s again.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: whatnub on August 08, 2006, 12:20:00 AM
You can only use flash drives to transfer music/pictures unless someone makes some homebrew for the Xbox 360 for it to save gamesaves.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: bonevichio on August 08, 2006, 05:42:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 1 2006, 10:44 PM) View Post

USB ports are programmed for READ-ONLY, so memory saving will never work on the 360 via the USB
ports.


Are they programmed by software or hardware?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: slyth on August 14, 2006, 12:03:00 PM
i obviously have no purpose here but to encourage the efforts of this attempt, but i beg you to please not give up, this would be a great asset to be able to have a flash drive work as a memory card.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: firebeaveruk on August 17, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
hmm i think what gary might means that the xbox360 o/s can only read data from the usb port, that would include controller feed back also as it just reading whats being pushed on the controller.

i did wonder when you create a custom play list off a usb key, where does it keep the playlist layout? dont think its on the key , must be on the memory card or hardrive.


windows has software tools to make usb ports read-only, so maybe the 360 is the same and is dictated via the 360 O/S


i havent read a lot about the memory card, but why cant a usb key be modified so it can plug in this section of the drive rather than the usb ports since it obviously writes?

i think the security chip someone above has been mentioning defialty involves more investigation.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: acidwarz on August 24, 2006, 06:02:00 AM
format the flash drive in FAT 32 should work fine after that!
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: slyth on September 02, 2006, 09:50:00 PM
does this actually work?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on November 15, 2006, 04:11:00 AM
Nope, do you really think Microsoft would make it that easy?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: luther349 on January 30, 2007, 09:35:00 PM
acully thers a scandisk flashdrive that does indded dubble as a 360 memery card. guess it has the nedded chip. i have a 512mb mp3 player/usb mass storage device i would like to use myself. 40 bucks for 64 megs is plain retarted. hell i only payed 50 for my 512mb lol.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: decrease789 on February 07, 2007, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Jan 12 2006, 05:46 AM) View Post

Great job on that guide.

Here is my guide.

Here is a like to download it, it is 22mb and in MS word format. Once i resize the images i will post it here.

http://savefile.com/files/5039022

links dead? anyone got the file to send it to me?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: synace on February 25, 2007, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(JoHnnyTK36 @ Apr 15 2006, 02:36 PM) *

You can already change the filesystem. Its the sercurity chip that is getting in the way. I have been meaning to see if there is a a way i can take the security chip off the memory card and put it in a flash drive or jsut upgrade the memory in the 360s memory card. I have been very busy with school and this 360sata stuff though. I will let everybody know though if i find the time to figure out anything.



did we find out if you can mod a stock memory card by adding more memory to it? or is the security chip locked to the size of the memory, such as the drive is locked to 20gb.

This post has been edited by synace: Feb 26 2007, 04:16 AM
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Post by: ThomsonElite on March 13, 2007, 04:08:00 AM
First of all, this is not a flame or to offend you brains in here, I'm just a humble gamer myself.

But I really need to know something:

Okay now we have found the source of data, made drivers and all that.

Once you have gotten hold of the data onto your memory card and loaded it in the game, then what ? if you cant get achievement points this way, why not just play the whole game yourself ?

I got an idea wich seems like noone have talked about in here.o0( Yes I have read the whole topic )
You cant get gamerscore because you are NOT the same gamer profile, but what if the profiles was named the exact same thing ? would it do any differences ? I know this piece is not a part of my whole "WHY-WHY-WHY" post, but whatever, it just crossed my mind.

I see the deal with the "Once-payed-now-free" data that can be transfered arround now, but really, if you cant get gamer points, isnt this just for ppl to get free arcade games, free upgrades and stuff ? in short terms, transferring M$ stuff from one MU to another for the purpose of NOT paying for it ?

I see the "challenge for a hacker" kind of situation here, and noone who do great hacking, says no to that, but why dont you guys come up with a way to configure the games, so that you could make mods of the game on your PC, transfer and use it like Oblivion-armored horses? I know this is much harder to even think of a usefull way, but hey, if some of you allready got the horse thing on a MU; Go for it.

All it needs is a bright mind and time, and some of you in here allready proven to be rightfull owners of the bright minds.

Since I'm no good at modding and stuff like that, I'll just sit back and wait  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

This post has been edited by ThomsonElite: Mar 13 2007, 11:11 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Malumvolo on August 10, 2007, 08:04:00 PM
Any recent developments?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: master_p on September 05, 2007, 11:52:00 AM
For giggles I hooked my hdd up to my 360 with my sata->USB converter, and of course, nothing happened. The 360 didn't detect it at all.

 Apparently FatX isn't readable through the USB, so I don't think we'll be able to hack up a standard flash drive like this.

 I am curious to using a flash drive, modded to work with the mc port, but according the the breif documention on the memcard, the two signals are Data 1 & Data 2. Whether it's actually just like a USB communication or not, I'm not sure, but as cheap as flash drives are, wouldn't hurt to try.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: zwierzakol on November 29, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 1 2006, 11:13 PM) View Post

USB ports are programmed for READ-ONLY, so memory saving will never work on the 360 via the USB
ports.


If that's true than how controller would know when to force feedback in the game. In situation's like gear shifting on automatic gears. There also (I think) must be some information what x360 wants from USB device, the exact mp3 to play.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: fits79 on November 29, 2007, 03:46:00 AM
Hi.

After all posts have you find any usb2sata adapter that can flash the xbox360(Samsung, benq, hitachi) drives whith that device(usb2sata)??

If you find it then which usb2sata adaptor is??

A lot of thanks.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: AutoGibbon on December 17, 2007, 04:04:00 PM
Having read this thread, I decided to take a look into it myself. However I took a different path, whereby I am trying merely to upgrade the capacity of the mem unit. Upon opening both a memory unit and a £10 usb stick... one thing i noticed is that the shitty little 64mb is just a standard memory chip. Exactly the same as the pendrive.

And the little silver bit with 24.000 inscribed on it, almost identical to a similar piece on the drive. The pics show it.

I don't know if anyone else had already mentioned this in a previous thread, but I thought it would be useful in our quest.

I'm trying to work out how likely that the unit would still work if I replaced the memory chip with one of higher capacity, made by the same manufacturer. My unit's chip is SAMSUNG.

Memory chips
The apparent "Crystals"

Beware, the pics are pretty big and I couldn't be bothered resizing them. Low bandwidth users are screwed.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: PezDispenser on January 06, 2008, 11:39:00 AM
Okay, I'm like the ultimate Newb here:  first post, just got my first 360 [new mobo after, pre-warranty extension broken sticker & RRoD].  This also probably technically Off-Topic...

If the PC USB flash drive is such a pain, why not just figure out how to wire a SD adapter?  Prices are dropping all the time but a 1 GB SD card has been $10-15 delivered on Newegg for about 9 months.  I know (from my Rio mp3 player) that they run 3.3v.

I certainly don't have the expertise or the cash for the poking around you guys are doing (I'm envious).  So if I'm just being a dumb SOB newb, feel free to tell me.  

I really can't tell from this thread if that would be "too easy," you're not interested, or it would be too hard.   uhh.gif

I've read this thread, from the beginning.  I searched, closely checking the 2006 & 2007 threads, only this post:  Moving Saves Around on SD adapters...

I really would like to have a cheaper storage solution than $30 for 512 GB or $100 for a hard drive with a limited life span.  

To be clear, I'm talking about using [removeable] SD card in adapter as a replacement for the MU.  I could care less about being able to backup my 360 saves to PC, hacking the 360 OS or whatever.

Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: SCRAPN on January 28, 2008, 02:00:00 AM
If you can replace the memory on the memory unit try this idea
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200...n_ATA_connector
and conect a ide hard drive to it.
You might be able to get a usb to ide converter as well to use usb drives.
Also with the use the existing security chip idea make sure you remove the memory and try using a usb hub because ther both seperate usb devices or power the usb drive from one of the 360's usb ports. Tell me how it goes because I can't try it my self.

This post has been edited by SCRAPN: Jan 28 2008, 10:03 AM
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: PezDispenser on January 30, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
You can understand his[/her] "diagram"  ??     unsure.gif  

Maybe it's my color vision, but beyond the one chip, I have no clue what solder points he's dealing with --either in the original Nano, or the ATA card.

I have no special skill soldering.  

I'd like to think this type of thing would work with the daughterboard from a Rio Forge (dirt cheap & has a SD memory card slot)... but then you'd be hacking 2 really small proprietary devices.  

The larger ATA capacity would sure be nice, but I just happen to think 3.3v and plug & play make SD a more natural fit.   I guess there could be ZIF drives or even 5v ide44 drives that might work, as well?

If I get the courage to actually fool around with that idea as far as 'this works/doesn't work,' it would have to be a new thread.  

I sure wish one or more of the Forum Einsteins were a bit more into this.  They've come up with so much though, you can't really complain.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: panyan1991 on April 08, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xsnoopyx @ Feb 14 2006, 03:51 AM) *

hullo. yeah i just read through this WHOLE topic and was pretty happy to see i dont have to rip open my memory card. Now I have a couple q's. Is everything willgonz used in this topic at like the begenningish or did he use something else? cuz im gonna kind of boycott what he just did to save myself an empty wallet. Oh and can you list the parts he used? Thanks!



where's ur resistor to convert the power to 3.3V?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: scuba156 on April 08, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
you do realise you replied to a post that is over 2 years old
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: panyan1991 on May 20, 2008, 02:41:00 AM
so where are we now, any improvement/developments?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: janekdrukarz on June 16, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
hi
i need unformated dump memory unit.
anybody help me.
best regards
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: slikvik on June 17, 2008, 09:10:00 AM
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to why this should be achieved.

Although using a flash drive my be a stepping stone to proving the theory I think the ultimate reason for doing this would be as an adaptor to add your own HDD.

I'm hoping that someone will mod an existing Memory Unit, leave the Security Chip intact and just solder on a SATA or PATA adaptor in place of the memory chips themselves. Very similar to what the iPOD Nano PATA mod achieved. (Mentioned earlier in this thread.)

The MU to HDD hack seems easier in theory than replacing the 20GB with a larger hdd, which has already proven to be very difficult and not worth doing.

Let's put it this way, whoever figures out how to do this will become famous overnight on the mod scene and no doubt make lots of cash from selling the hacked MU's.

I'm just trying to give the true mod freaks a nudge to put more effort into this  smile.gif

If they could do it to the Nano it can be done here I'm sure. The Datel 4GB PSP device also rings similars bells. It's posible that the security chip stores a capacity value which may prove tricky, but frustratingly, no one has even tried to see if that is the case.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Transporter 159 on July 06, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
Hi im new here and to xbox 360 i have and elite and i was trying to copy files from a storage device to my harddrive  i  did not find any solutions but i came across this conversation regarding storage devices ... if you were to buy a microsoft flash drive it works handling data media and photographs it cant hold profiles or anything like that but it still acts like a normal drive remeber is a usb plugin device mine is a 4gb flashdrive and because microsoft made xbox the hardware is compatible it worked for me why shouldnt it work for you ? ... and if anyone knows how to transfere data from a flashdrive to a xbox hardrive please let me know ive found nothing about it in the manual ?? thanx hope ive helped !! =]
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: biopcb on July 11, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
anyone have working pics for this tutoral. part where using 3.3v regulator with xbox360 memcard and usb cables.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: grimdoomer on July 15, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
Each memory card has a security chip. On it should be a device Id, some generic data, and a 2048 bit RSA Signature of all that. That is how the 360 verifys it as a legit storage device.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Jimakos Sn on July 16, 2008, 05:36:00 AM
BTW the data + and - in the xbox 360 memory units are usb data + and usb data + ...I have connect 2 female usb ports to each memory unit data + - and 5v from the PSU and now i have 5 working usb ports in my 360.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Grimbarian on July 25, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
Is there a working XP64 driver? I've connected the memory card to my PC and it's only showing as "unknown device" in control panel, and the drivers in X360MemoryUnitDriversV1.1.exe aren't working sad.gif

I should add I'm trying to access a 256mb memory card which is slightly different than the original tutorials but I would guess the wiring should be the same?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: mafiafan123 on July 30, 2008, 12:05:00 AM
what about takeing the act mem chip a blank one and seeing if theres maybe a bin in there that could be as easy as putting onto the other drive that would be nice if theres an extratable file that doesnt ever get erased. dam i know theres a datel memory card kit maybe it can see something on there idk i have a spair memory card somewere but i need a pic program or something i wanna know what i could do to find the sig. its out of my league but i know its prob something that can be done. but yes have a memory card with a sata plug to plug in an external sata drive dam think of the possiablitlys but it still might require hex for editing the space  idk something worth trying to figure out.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Razor512 on September 29, 2008, 09:25:00 PM
I know this thread is old but just want to check if there will ever be a way to make the 360 use a standard usb flash drive as a memory card.

or at least rip the security data from a memory card, then I can build my own connector make the flash drive connect to the memory card slot of the 360

I already have a hard drive, I just want to get a flash drive to work as a memory card because I don't want to walk around with the hard drive and I don't want to buy the official memory card as for the price, I can get a 8GB flash drive (which I was able to get a pack of 10 for $20 a few months back )
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Arakon on September 30, 2008, 12:54:00 PM
it's not security data, it's a whole security CHIP that is an USB device on its own.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: ccfman2004 on October 03, 2008, 12:36:00 AM
What I am doing has nothing to do with this topic, but there is one thing from here I need to know.

How do I reduce the 5 volts from the USB power down to around 3 volts?

Thanks.

BTW, I tried to use the tutorial here and almost rendered my Memory Card useless where my 360 would not read the card, not sure how I fixed it though dry.gif
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Arakon on October 03, 2008, 03:55:00 AM
cleanest way is to use a voltage regulator. you need 3.3V, not 3, btw.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: ccfman2004 on October 06, 2008, 12:53:00 PM
No, for my project I need +/-3 volts.

As I said before, what I am doing has nothing to do with this topic.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: buckneri on March 31, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
just a thought but has anyone tried using the hard drive connection point to add something?

i just cracked open my box to reseat the heatsinks. yay rrod and i need a hard drive for this unit... i stumbled on this forum because i wanted to see if anyone had any luck getting a thumb drive to substitute as a hard drive or a memory unit so i can avoid buying a drive or a mem unit since i have about 50 thumb drives.

but i noticed that voltage may have been an issue as well and i would assume that the hard drive point is a higher voltage... and it would be a modified sata connection i would assume.


dunno.. good luck either way guys.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Mulpsy on July 25, 2009, 08:35:00 PM
I know Im replying to an old post but im pretty keen to see if someone can get this USB memory thing working.

Has anyone bought one of these Datel expandable memory cards? http://us.codejunkie...__EF000778.aspx

I might buy one and open it up for a look.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: sabreman on August 16, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
Or better yet, they also made this hard drive, which connects to the xbox 360 via usb port. If somebody could buy one and crack it instead of the card, we would be much closer to our goal. And besides, this hard drive only costs 29.99 unlike the memory card above, which is 49.99
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: Reaper527 on August 23, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(sabreman @ Aug 16 2009, 12:38 PM) View Post

Or better yet, they also made this hard drive, which connects to the xbox 360 via usb port. If somebody could buy one and crack it instead of the card, we would be much closer to our goal. And besides, this hard drive only costs 29.99 unlike the memory card above, which is 49.99



your link was broken, but i assume you are talking about this?
http://us.codejunkie...__EF000172.aspx

if thats what you meant, that doesn't look like a solution. that looks like its just a 4 gig usb harddrive. in the features, it doesn't say anything about being able to save games to it, it only mentions using it to store music and such.

that drive will function the same as a 4 gig thumb drive.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: ONI5 on August 30, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
I think he meant this:

http://us.codejunkie...__EF000777.aspx
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: andre... on January 03, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
Hi everyone... please i need help  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I made the whole process with my 512mb MU.... but i just soldered a 20 ohm resistor in the Vusb and that was all... i plugged the MU in the pc and it recognized, i installed the drivers and tried to open with xport. It opened but i cant see the files, i can just see 2 partitions with nothing inside (except for some 2 nonsense files)....... and after soldering it didnt recognize in the 360, so i took off all the wires and solder and the xbox started recognizing again.
What did i do wrong?

thanks everyone


and great forum
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: J4ck0wsk1J on January 08, 2010, 05:45:00 PM
I've been wondering the same thing for a while now.. I don't want to overpay and buy a MS memory card. Just to think if MS cut the price in half of the card we probably wouldn't be complaining about this.. I'm surprised that after so many years noone has been able to figure this out?? Can't someone just purchase a memory card (that has more knowledge than I do about them), take it apart and solve the problem?
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: tweakthings on April 08, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
You can now use USB flash drive as a memory unit. Microsoft did an update couple days ago.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: M3Roc on June 07, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
Im just curious. I need extra usb ports. Since these memory cards use a similar interface as usb, can I solder a usb pigtail onto the board and source 5v from else where? Will these mem ports recognize regular USB devices? Basically my question is, can these mem card ports be converted into usb ports.
Title: Usb Flash Drive As Memory Unit
Post by: happychloe on June 07, 2012, 03:57:00 AM
hello,
why just take a 512MB one which  just costs you around 20$
just like this one