Post by: bluemeany on January 06, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: AiKIZen on January 07, 2004, 10:29:00 AM
Been wanting this for a while. I figure it wouldn't be too hard, but then again I'm not a coder.
For example a new version of DVDX2 which looks to a HDD Folder if no disc is present, and lists titles from folders. As mentioned by bluemeany. <
Post by: StrangeOne on January 08, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: feflicker on January 08, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| It probably wont run on the xbox for a very long time..if ever. |
Yes, and no. You can play the vob files, but you can't "play" the dvd like on a dvd player, with the menus, subtitles, etc...
I thought this was supposed to be a future part of XBMC? I have been waiting on that for some time now... If not, it certainly should be!
Post by: myffonline on January 08, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
Just my point of view. <
Post by: bgrill27 on January 08, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: cainedna on January 08, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: SICKdimension on January 10, 2004, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: palsy on January 10, 2004, 11:43:00 AM
Proper DVD navigation, through menus etc. Makes the viewing experience a bit nicer than creating a playlist in xbmp.
Subtitle support. I just ripped a dvd with subtitles to the HD and now when viewing with xbmp i don't see the subtitles.
If a dvd to divx converter could support subtitles then i'm all for it. Either way, i think an app supporting the watching of dvds ripped to the HD is a VERY good idea.
ciao <
Post by: Rileq on January 11, 2004, 12:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (SICKdimension @ Jan 10 2004, 02:40 AM) |
| i would vote for dvd > divx conversion software for the xbox! that would be damn cool! |
Do you even realize how LONG that would take to convert one movie to DIVX format on what's essentially a 733Mhz computer with 64Megs of RAM?
If you have a home network, do what I do: Rip a DVD to your "server" and stream with XBMP. I know it's not the most ideal, but still better than loading your HD space with movies. <
Post by: senator on March 05, 2004, 02:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Rileq @ Jan 11 2004, 11:38 PM) | ||
Do you even realize how LONG that would take to convert one movie to DIVX format on what's essentially a 733Mhz computer with 64Megs of RAM? If you have a home network, do what I do: Rip a DVD to your "server" and stream with XBMP. I know it's not the most ideal, but still better than loading your HD space with movies. |
Yeh between 10-15 hrs...
I used to do it and it aint worth it !!!! When my pc was that slow 
Just spend a little money and buy a dvd burner...I can't think of a bigger waste of hdd space than putting dvd movies on it....Divx yeh ok, or svcd (you can have subtitles with svcd) and I think even with divx from memory...???
Now how often will you watch this movie from the hdd 1,2 or 3 times in how many weeks ???
The only thing which it may come in handy for is when you go on a trip and you want to watch movies in the car with no skipping etc...
But then I personally would have them in divx.....
Post by: corvy on March 05, 2004, 02:05:00 AM
MOD EDIT: We don't want to hear about your life as a pirate kiddie.
What a waste of perfectly good DVD's to burn all those films!
Pretty please make a player, I would be forever grateful!
(uhh.. and .. right now I have a computer running gentoo linux, using xine dvd to play the dvd's, but my wife understands nothing of it .. not exactly user friendly..!)
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Post by: Brouhaha on March 05, 2004, 02:32:00 AM
Voted 1, useless and a waste of dev time on projects that could be by far more interesting.
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Post by: corvy on March 05, 2004, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Brouhaha on March 05, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (corvy @ Mar 5 2004, 10:02 PM) |
Again I have to disagree. I get alot of DVDR's and the only way to watch them with full functionallity is with Windoze or Linux. Thats stupid cuz both DVDx and XBMC/XBMP are so close to doing it already. And the burning is stupid cuz I don't want to archive all the films I watch. Just the gooood ones...  |
Ok I'll explain my point of view some more then.
DVDRs you download are stripped down to fit a DVD5. Most have a single audio track, no extras and downsampled video. IMO, thats not a DVD anymore so you're better off buying them... And if you still like to download 4.5 gigs just to have menus that have basically no use but chapter navigation, then burn em to DVDRW. You can't go wrong that way, cause NONE are worth archiving as you mentionned.
Secondly, do the world a favor, save some bandwith and get mpeg4 instead if you're gonna download dvdrips... Although its still not right and you should BUY them. I mean, we are talking about backing up movies we own on xbox HDD and beign able to play them right? Not playing downloaded copies...
Now if I'm gonna backup my DVDs to my xbox HDD in 2004, I'll do it with the amazing compression technologies/codecs that are available to me. My choice is xvid k thanks.
I stand by my vote: useless, cause why would I care about menus when what I want is to watch a movie?
Post by: ilonely2 on March 07, 2004, 05:37:00 AM
Post by: speedok on March 07, 2004, 06:21:00 AM
Post by: corvy on March 07, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
Post by: tron2.0 on March 12, 2004, 08:39:00 PM
what I would like the most though is to hook up a usb tv tuner and use the xbox as a DVR unit, now that would be AWESOME!
as I cant code I will just have to cross my fingers and hope that some smart dudes out there will do the work
cheers!
Post by: fragmaster170 on March 13, 2004, 09:44:00 AM
unfortunatly DIVX is closed source, but it might be possible to get XVID working.
as for a HDD DVD player, I would cream my pants if that came out, 15-20 minutes to decrypt the DVD and rip it to the HD and bam, you got a b00tyfull movie the way it was meant to be watched.
Post by: BloodyMary on March 13, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
I just loaded dvd2xbox v0.5.5. Put in Buffy The Vampire Slayer - Season Three - DISC ONE, which is over 7 gigabytes. I pushed a to start the DVD copy process of DVD2XBOX, then picked the location to dump the DVD to (in my case F:\MOVIES, will be different for you, depending on the dump directories that you set up in DVD2XBOX), then I pressed START on my controller to start the DVD copy process. It took about 45 Minutes to copy/decrypt the entire DVD to my xbox hard drive (yep all more then 7 gigabytes of it). then I rebooted my xbox and loaded Xbox Media Center 2004-03-09, browsed to the directory that I had just dumped to and started playing on of the VOB files. The video looked perfect and played excellently. Just sharing the information, try it for yourself... and post your results here, or if you need help setting up Xbox Media Center 2004-03-09 or DVD2XBOX... let me know.... I don't know where someone is coming up with 12 hours for something.. but anyway.. like I said, it only took 45 minutes to dump/decrypt a 7 GIG movie to my harddrive. That's as fast or faster then my pentium 4 2.4 gigahertz serial ata system.
Post by: ChrisF on March 13, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (BloodyMary @ Mar 13 2004, 10:15 PM) |
| I don't know where someone is coming up with 12 hours for something.. but anyway.. like I said, it only took 45 minutes to dump/decrypt a 7 GIG movie to my harddrive. That's as fast or faster then my pentium 4 2.4 gigahertz serial ata system. |
Everyone knows you can play Vobs with XBMP/XBMC - these guys want the extra features and menus (ie a HD copy of the entire DVD up and running - I believe PowerDVD handles this nicely on the PC).
45 minutes to dump and decrypt is not record speed by any means. The limit will be the DVD drive as it is the weak link and slows down the ATA chain. Unfortunately this is the same on the PC as the Xbox since the optical drives are always slower than the HDDs. Regardless your PC should be just as fast - if it's not you have a problem since I have a 1.4Ghz celeron and an antique DVD rom that can rip that in 45 minutes.
FYI - the 12 hour figure came from someone talking about conversion to DIVX not just ripping VOBs (that is the obvious first part of DivX conversion though - see my sig for a link). DivX is a full re-encoding with one or more passes - it is highly processor and system instensive making the Xbox a poor platform. In addition it is not exactly a plain vanilla process so the person who wanted this and the Xbox to become a decent PVR stands a better chance of shooting fireballs from his ass than for his dreams to be realized (of course if he did any searching on the tons of threads on DivX conversion or Xbox PVR he'd find all of this).
Post by: EcL|PsE on March 14, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
cuz then i coudl sell my apex
cya
Post by: ChrisF on March 15, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (EcL|PsE @ Mar 14 2004, 11:44 PM) |
| i would love a dvd player for the xbox cuz then i coudl sell my apex cya |
Isn't Apex a standalone DVD player? Maybe I'm missing something but the Xbox is also a standalone DVD player and can be modded to be region free, dongle free, and progressive scan. You can also trip the Vobs to the harddrive and play them. You do know this right?
Post by: EcL|PsE on March 17, 2004, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: ChrisF on March 18, 2004, 07:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (EcL|PsE @ Mar 17 2004, 10:53 PM) |
| fuck ur dumb. |
Go reread your post or learn English so you can explain yourself. Given the way you worded it and the fact that you just now added DVDX2 it's logical to conclude that you didn't have a clue this could be done before. How do you think "i would love a dvd player for the xbox cuz then i coudl sell my apex" reads? It reads like you have no idea that you can buy a DVD kit or if unable to get $20 together simply download a hacked DVD player. So you can either be a moron or a semi-functional illiterate - the choice is yours - but don't try to cover your own ignorance by attacking people that try to help you. Now piss off and go back to the 2nd grade.
Post by: Xeero on March 18, 2004, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: EcL|PsE on March 18, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
shut ur a dumbass.
ur first post makes no sense. I said i wish tehre was a dvd player for the box, cuz if there was, i could sell my dvd player.
u obviously didnt get that.
MOD EDIT: You have now flamed ChrisF twice in this thread alone. Neither was provoked in any way. You'll be unable to post for 2 days. Learn some etiquette while you have some time off. --Xeero
Post by: Pillzburydoofus on March 19, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: XDelusion on March 19, 2004, 06:45:00 PM
We got a DVD player called XBOX Media Center, what we need is a way to convert a DVD to an AVI or MPEG file directly from the DVD drive....
...without loosing sound volume, something that will bypass copy protection.
Post by: NeOnRaBbIt on March 21, 2004, 05:15:00 PM
would be awsome to play it throu dvdx2 if u could select where u want to play from instead of it just waiting for a disc...
Post by: toddk111 on March 22, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: EcL|PsE on March 30, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: ideas_man69 on April 01, 2004, 04:07:00 AM
im not sure how hard it can be. they're able to parse the VIDEO_TS.IFO file of the dvd-rom, how hard can it be to enable the player to parse it off the hdd. PowerDVD and WinDVD both support playing dvd's off the hdd.
It be a wicked feature.
Post by: elupus on April 01, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
regards
elupus
Post by: rob1309 on April 07, 2004, 05:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (BloodyMary @ Mar 13 2004, 05:15 PM) |
| Ok.. just to test my suggestion.. of DVD2XBOX and XBOX MEDIA CENTER. I just loaded dvd2xbox v0.5.5. Put in Buffy The Vampire Slayer - Season Three - DISC ONE, which is over 7 gigabytes. I pushed a to start the DVD copy process of DVD2XBOX, then picked the location to dump the DVD to (in my case F:\MOVIES, will be different for you, depending on the dump directories that you set up in DVD2XBOX), then I pressed START on my controller to start the DVD copy process. It took about 45 Minutes to copy/decrypt the entire DVD to my xbox hard drive (yep all more then 7 gigabytes of it). then I rebooted my xbox and loaded Xbox Media Center 2004-03-09, browsed to the directory that I had just dumped to and started playing on of the VOB files. The video looked perfect and played excellently. Just sharing the information, try it for yourself... and post your results here, or if you need help setting up Xbox Media Center 2004-03-09 or DVD2XBOX... let me know.... I don't know where someone is coming up with 12 hours for something.. but anyway.. like I said, it only took 45 minutes to dump/decrypt a 7 GIG movie to my harddrive. That's as fast or faster then my pentium 4 2.4 gigahertz serial ata system. |
alright guess what, my old p3 733 with 128mb rdram could decrypt a full dvd9 and dvd10 disc in under 15-20 minutes so 45 flat out sucks
my new pc can do it under that as the dvd drive is faster
and say i wanted to fit a dvd9 to dvd5, the whole process, rip to encode, takes under 1 hour and i dont lose any features
so i lose a little bit of the bitrate, big deal cuz it's impossible to tell the difference
they have high bitrates for no reason other than to make shit bigger pretty much
and about encoding and shit via xbox, ya know video editing really fragments drives fast. do you really want to reformat to get optimal performance?
but i guess if ya really wanted to work the crap outta the xbox, then encoding is for you
and he's not talking about 12 hours to just rip it, that's to encode it to divx after being ripped and yea itll take a lot longer than that on xbox
12 hours is for a movie around 90-110 minutes
not to mention with xbox, the dvd and hdd use same cable which doesn't help at all
sides, it'd take forever for someone to make one for xbox that has all features of pc tools and would have to do some serious optimizations to get it done under 12-14 hours
bottom line, pc ripping/encoding/transcoding is your best bet and fastest too
Post by: EcL|PsE on April 13, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
a dvd ripper/encoder to divx would be kickass, just leave it on wile u sleep, easy as fuck.
cya
Post by: EcL|PsE on April 13, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
a dvd ripper/encoder to divx would be kickass, just leave it on wile u sleep, easy as fuck.
cya
Post by: ChrisF on April 16, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (EcL|PsE @ Apr 13 2004, 09:41 PM) |
| for those of us without pc dvd roms, or just us lazies, a dvd ripper/encoder to divx would be kickass, just leave it on wile u sleep, easy as fuck. cya |
It could certainly be dumbed down enough from a users point of view making you loose a ton of flexibility since there is no generic 'good' quality equation for every movie nor every television. From a coder/porter's point of view this project is the full nightmare. I don't believe there are any open source all-in-one packages. Gordian Knot is open source but it is a mixture of various components where GK serves as a glorified front-end.
If this is really important to you I'd look for a Linux version of a divx encoder and run it off one of the Xbox's linux distros. The bottom line is that people have been asking for a year and no one has even remotely considered taking on this project. I would also bet money that the people asking have very little experience with the DivX conversion process since most of the people who do are the ones telling people it's somewhere between infeesible and a waste of time. This is not in any way a generic or simple process.
Post by: chilin_dude on April 17, 2004, 03:10:00 AM
Post by: dfect on April 24, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
C'mon u guys who developed the DVD-X player.. how hard can it be to insert some code to make it play from hdd..?
Or if thats not an option.. can someone please make a program to mount a dir as d: to fool the standard DVD-X?
Post by: Brouhaha on April 28, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (ChrisF @ Apr 17 2004, 01:37 AM) |
| I don't believe there are any open source all-in-one packages. |
FairUse homepage
With your product a ripping has become a 'no brainer' as it should be. That's a way to find time to do something else in our lives far away from computer screens... - halbacht
Source code is available here
It might depend on a lib or two I can't remember... LAME I think...
Post by: EcL|PsE on April 30, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: deathx88 on May 01, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
it would be nice to have some movies on my xbox...if i had enough room
i voted yes anyway just in case there was a really good movie that i couldn't pass up
Post by: 8MM on May 04, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: Brouhaha on May 05, 2004, 05:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (8MM @ May 4 2004, 11:39 PM) |
| Converting a DVD to DIVx on an xbox will never happen!!! |
Thats like saying it could never happen on a 733MHz PC... Oh wait thats possible!
Post by: EcL|PsE on May 05, 2004, 09:30:00 AM
all that needs to be done is to simply port it
Post by: gen2_rx7 on May 05, 2004, 05:55:00 PM
I learned c++ and a little ASM from my dad when I was 13, but i forget a lot now (9 years ago) Think I might get into it again.
I do movie converting, avi <-> mpeg and whatnot on my computer, PII 400 with 382 Mb RAM and i get decent times, it's all how you have it set up.
Post by: Morien on May 05, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (corvy @ Mar 7 2004, 01:33 AM) |
| All is legal cuz I just buy and sell. |
How's that legal?
Anyway. It's a great idea if someone wants to put the time and effort into it.
It might be nicer/easier to just submit the code to XBMC tho!
Post by: muerte on May 12, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (tekfx19 @ May 12 2004, 05:51 PM) |
| hmmm....would it be feasible for one to swap the dvdrom, for a dvd burner on the xbox, then have a coder make a driver / program for it, so that u can make copies of movies games etc right from the xbox? im not really sure stop me if im out of line here.... |
that's a pretty bad idea. do you know how hard it is to integrate one driver, let alone 50 for all the major dvd burners out there?
Post by: EcL|PsE on May 25, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
cya
Post by: The Pen is mightier on May 29, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: EcL|PsE on June 01, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
and i duno bout u, but i would by far have like 50 divx movies, than 5 dvd movies, i dont give 2 squirts of piss about menus.
cya
Post by: ideas_man69 on June 01, 2004, 09:25:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| no, iut would not take 50 - 150 ours to make a dvd to divx, u tard. |
i think you're the 'tard' mate.. he said it would take 50 - 150 hours to CODE the program, not to convert dvd to divx.
Post by: muerte on June 04, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (EcL|PsE @ Jun 1 2004, 09:11 PM) |
| no, iut would not take 50 - 150 ours to make a dvd to divx, u tard. and i duno bout u, but i would by far have like 50 divx movies, than 5 dvd movies, i dont give 2 squirts of piss about menus. cya |
heh, who's the "tard" now
Post by: asher on June 10, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
that u didnt had time to watch.
so u can watch them when u have the time.
Post by: mingwingming on June 14, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
As for converting a DVD to divx not sure I can see the point if you have a PC but if you dont sure it would be very nice if a little time consuming if at all possible...
Post by: xbox_Steve on June 18, 2004, 10:44:00 AM
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Post by: ^Matmn on August 10, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: QUIKSILVERMALE on August 18, 2004, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: ideas_man69 on August 19, 2004, 08:20:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| LOL, HaHaHaHaHaHa......That's the funniest sig I've ever seen in my life. That fat guy twurling around like a balerina. LOL........Sorry, I couldn't help myself, it's just too hilarious. laugh.gif |
if you like him.. try a google on "Starwars kid".. you'll find an endless supply of different edits of it.
Post by: xbox_fanboy on August 31, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (QUIKSILVERMALE @ Aug 18 2004, 06:01 PM) |
| dvdshrink is the best dvd ripping software around hands down.... takes the 9gb movie compresses it to 4.5 or whatever size you are willing to use. |
yeh but we are talking bout ripping the dvd and converting it to avi /xvid
Post by: DuggyUK on September 11, 2004, 10:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (QUIKSILVERMALE @ Aug 18 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| dvdshrink is the best dvd ripping software around hands down.... takes the 9gb movie compresses it to 4.5 or whatever size you are willing to use. |
Actually DVDRebuilder is FAR FAR FAR better..
anyway to respond to the OP, I'm more than happy with the MS DVD plauback kit, though it did goof up on an RCE title i fed it recently.
Post by: cFoo on September 11, 2004, 11:02:00 AM
It would be awesome to be able to dvdshrink rip to the xbox and watch it directly on it any time you want later. Those 1 day rental don't give you enough time to finish the movie if you're too busy.
Post by: SirhanSirhan on September 18, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Morien on September 19, 2004, 02:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (SirhanSirhan @ Sep 19 2004, 02:52 AM) |
| DVD images already play from the harddrive via XBMC. Whats the fuss? I just dump on computer then FTP. |
Because they play with no menus, no extras, etc.
Post by: Nicroma on October 29, 2004, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: SigTom on November 11, 2004, 05:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (utterweirdo @ Oct 28 2004, 04:24 PM) |
| This would be a wicked idea. I know converting to divX etc, is a better idea than putting movies straight on the hd, but like many people have said, if u just rented or borrowed a film for a day, it would be good to back it up, so u could watch it whenever u want, then delete it. Also if you don't have a fairly new pc, ripping a dvd to divX will take hours and hours. |
Thats still piracy man. Watch what you talk about here.
Post by: Morien on November 17, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: I Smash Your Toe on December 02, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
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Exactly like mounting an ISO on PC and going to the directory and playing the supposed "DVD". Virtual Drive...
However, I wonder if you will encounter problems on the Xbox when it comes to creating a new drive letter?
Maybe one of these days XBMC will stream an ISO of a movie across the network...
Maybe XBMC could be configured in a "Play ISO" section, and you would have to configure XBMC by putting all the ISOs in subdirectories by the title of the movie, and then it could play it in real time as a mount.
Another, more easy and realistic method, would be that same option of configuring the directories, but instead of having one ISO file, extract it as you typically do to play the individual VOBS on the Xbox (or PC). Then XBMC would figure out how to play the files as a typical DVD by using the information in each subdirectory to the movies, using the VIDEO_TS files and etc...
It would look similar to this:
XBMC search for DVD (extracted ISO) - [ADD DIRECTORY]
--------------------------------------------
1. F:\movies on XBOX
2. C:\extractedisos on Computer [Across LAN]
After you have configured the directories, it would then search the configured directoies and compile as list of complete movies, when the movie is played, it uses the information in the VIDEO_TS and etc.:
|
V
Xbox:
F:\movies\American Psycho
F:\movies\Snatch
F:\movies\The Terminal
Computer:
C:\extractedisos\Bad Taste
C:\extractedisos\Scotland, PA
C:\extractedisos\Shrek 2
C:\extractedisos\Fight Club
|
V
XBMC EXTRACTED ISO PLAYER
Movies
1. American Psycho
2. Bad Taste
3. Fight Club
4. Scotland, PA
5. Shrek 2
6. Snatch
7. The Terminal
Sort by [NAME] / [LOCATION]
Guess that's it in a nutshell.
XBMC would be told to list each subdirectory of ~\movies\ as an individual DVD, and then it would work... So I think.... I'm not a programmer, but that is my ideal way of using the just above method if you can't actual manage to mount an image/ iso on a separate drive letter.
I have a 250GB hd, and I'm more of a movie buff than a gamer, and that would be a great use for me, rather than streaming from my PC or off the Xbox by using the damn VOB files individually. :\
That's just my two cents, I hope everyone understood what I meant.
Hopefully I didn't repeat myself too much...
Later,
bruX
Post by: micr0c0sm on December 14, 2004, 10:16:00 PM