Post by: StrangeOne on December 31, 2003, 08:17:00 AM
I was wondering around source forge and came across it.
There's no files posted or anything yet though.
Post by: dzv on December 31, 2003, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: doeboi on December 31, 2003, 11:00:00 PM
Like someone mentioned how there is the lynx browser for linux which only displays text, I definitely wouldn't mind even if all the browser did was "fetch" the html code and display it on the screen. If there is an xbox FTP client that can fetch files, and if there is XBMP that can stream shoutcast servers from "http://blabla", definitely it's possible to create a program that fetch's .html files off websites and displaying the text. That would be a start. It ain't gonna take even months to do that.
newayz, the only people that can do this is people that got knowledge in xbox coding, so props to every1 creating all these xbox homebrew software. not ranting at any of u guys for not creating a browser.. haha. jus stating to the person sumwhere above that it aint gonna take years to create one.
Post by: Wishi on January 01, 2004, 04:29:00 AM
Not many I feel.
Post by: melee on January 01, 2004, 07:54:00 AM
Look at all the setup issues with linuix. It would be nice to execute xbe, then start browsing.
And flash games on my box, that is where its at.
Post by: Zero_Cool on January 06, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: StrangeOne on January 08, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
See that? There now stop requesting, we've all heard it a billion times and now someone is doing something about it
hell, there's even an AIM Client being made for xbox..
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xid/
Post by: Wishi on January 08, 2004, 08:50:00 AM
xbrowse: Registered: 2003-04-30 21:03
xid Registered: 2003-01-19 20:14
Post by: devguy on January 04, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: Smoko on January 05, 2006, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: Smoko on January 05, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
QUOTE(pajp @ Jan 5 2006, 03:23 AM) 
I wouldnt trust anything ad-hoc as a web browser. Every trojan, worm and virus on the planet would take residence on the xbox very quickly. As everyone is quick to point out the xbox is essentially a pc and pc's are the worst when it comes to net security.
I installed Xebian Linux on the kids xbox and now they have Mozilla, email, open office and loads of stuff to keep the buggers off my pc. They can even print their homework from it. I love it to bits..
But thats my reasons
You dont seem to under stand much, Linux runs on PC's. It's the operating system and programs with the holes. And, as fate would have it none of them would affect the xbox. Unless you ran a windows CE one is the Windows CE port, or a linux based one in a xbox-linux distro. It would have to be custom crafted to work with the xbox, as it can only run one .xbe at a time. So it would have to have some sort of appealing feature to keep the user entertained while it done it's work.
Maybe you should do some research before you try sounding half smart?
Post by: Smoko on January 05, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(LESTAT @ Dec 4 2003, 02:32 PM)
what os has thru history and currently, more bugs and security issues than windows ??
LINUX!!!
say all you want,, but its the truth,.
why not rip linux and keep mozilla and the kernel ??
is this possible ??
remove all the shit that is in linuXbox, and just keep mozilla and the kernels required for it ? install it and tadaaa you have your browser.
Can anyone guess who has an IQ lower than a peice of shit? LESTAT, shut your mouth while your ahead. windows has more vulnrabilitys than any other commercial OS. Your lack of knowledge on how operating systems and programs work shows you've been on windows for too long. You are a fanboy, and fanboys need to die. So go do your job.
QUOTE(zinkoxyde @ Dec 3 2003, 06:00 PM)
The MS XDK includes net access examples. Are you telling me it would take years of development to send a "GET" request to a server? It doesn't need to be more complicated then lynx to start with, IMHO. Sorry to rant, but this thread was the end of my patience with the high and mighty linux community.
That's not hard, but making it render all the data is. Think before you speak. You might as well start getting Linksboks better.
Post by: davethompson on January 06, 2006, 02:14:00 AM
I agree with Smoko that the current only option is to use Linksbox. Sure, it doesn't have CSS and it's javascript is a bit dodgy, but it's the best option.
And for the record, with the KHTML/Gecko engine, I don't think it would take that long for an experienced C++ programmer (which I am not!!!!) to produce a decent enough browser for the Xbox. The longest time (as I've said before) would be to create the text inputs and stuff as the Xbox API doesn't have them built in.
Cheers,
Dave
Post by: Smoko on January 06, 2006, 04:27:00 AM
QUOTE(davethompson @ Jan 6 2006, 10:21 AM)
Hi All,
I agree with Smoko that the current only option is to use Linksbox. Sure, it doesn't have CSS and it's javascript is a bit dodgy, but it's the best option.
And for the record, with the KHTML/Gecko engine, I don't think it would take that long for an experienced C++ programmer (which I am not!!!!) to produce a decent enough browser for the Xbox. The longest time (as I've said before) would be to create the text inputs and stuff as the Xbox API doesn't have them built in.
Cheers,
Dave
You would have to design and create an interface, rewrite any sockets and a bunch of other stuff.
Post by: cayotic on January 07, 2006, 02:43:00 AM
A 2 bit hack isn't going to take the time to create a virus for the Xbox for a couple of different reasons. There isn't as much to gain on behalf of the hacker; i.e. monetarily of intellectually. They can't crack our box and hopes of obtaining our social security information nor out credit cards numbers.
Spybot is only now creating antispyware software for cell phones. I could only imagine the headache this will cause. First of all, cell phone manufactures are not like software developers. They could give 2 shits if your cell phone is compatible with someone elese in terms of ring tones, midlets, or simple user contact info. From my perspective, digi cams are for more advanced than cell phones because they can be easily connected to your PC. This feature increases the ease of use and individual capabilities exponentially.
Post by: Smoko on January 07, 2006, 03:48:00 AM
QUOTE(cayotic @ Jan 7 2006, 10:50 AM)
People write scripts aka virus for the specific OS. Windows, MAC, Linux. This process takes time; time that the programmer cant afford spends porting the virus to every system. Everyone and their dead grandmother uses M$. So it makes sense that if you want to create a single virus and infect the majority of people then you script it for the operating system that is used by the majority.
A 2 bit hack isn't going to take the time to create a virus for the Xbox for a couple of different reasons. There isn't as much to gain on behalf of the hacker; i.e. monetarily of intellectually. They can't crack our box and hopes of obtaining our social security information nor out credit cards numbers.
Spybot is only now creating antispyware software for cell phones. I could only imagine the headache this will cause. First of all, cell phone manufactures are not like software developers. They could give 2 shits if your cell phone is compatible with someone elese in terms of ring tones, midlets, or simple user contact info. From my perspective, digi cams are for more advanced than cell phones because they can be easily connected to your PC. This feature increases the ease of use and individual capabilities exponentially.
Wow, someone with half a brain. But, you could get peoples credit card info off their xbox. By hoping they run an FTP server on their computer, with root powers. You also have to take into account they have to be stored on their computer first. Or, create a network sniffer in some fancy dash and hope to god people use it.
But, them ideas are crazy. And if you were to ever do them I would feel pitty on you. Getting abit off topic now, but it's nice to see others with at least half a brain around here.
Post by: cayotic on January 07, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Smoko on January 07, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
QUOTE(cayotic @ Jan 7 2006, 07:05 PM)
My brother doesn't have a computer though; just a broadband router he uses for XBL. Knowing his IP address I should be able to FTP in and have my way with him though huh?
If his xbox had a FTP server running and you knew his user and pass, you could.
Post by: Scooped on January 07, 2006, 11:34:00 PM
QUOTE(cayotic @ Jan 7 2006, 01:50 AM)
People write scripts aka virus for the specific OS. Windows, MAC, Linux. This process takes time; time that the programmer can’t afford spends porting the virus to every system. Everyone and their dead grandmother uses M$. So it makes sense that if you want to create a single virus and infect the majority of people then you script it for the operating system that is used by the majority.
True, but to execute the code, you'll need access to their system. And to access their system, you'll need to either exploit a vulnerability, or SE them. And *IF* you could even find a vulnerability to exploit on a *nix system, the vulnerable service would have to be running as root in order for you to do any damage to the system.
I'm not saying a *nix system is better than windows, but I am saying on average it's much more secure(Regardless of the reason).
Hahaha, I love arguing with posts made 2 years ago >_< .
Post by: raven_2751 on February 05, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
however i would like to see a browser similar to either ie or mozzila, but i think it won't happen for a while.
Post by: puroeuro on November 12, 2003, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: Knighty on November 12, 2003, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: AsTnBoMb on November 14, 2003, 07:19:00 AM
Post by: arez on November 14, 2003, 02:28:00 PM
Post by: Hullebulle on November 14, 2003, 05:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (arez @ Nov 14 2003, 11:17 PM) |
| clik link in my profile :-p |
WTF does your link/thread to do with this thread. Only because there is Linux mentioned you think ppl have to read your thread? <_<
Post by: LESTAT on November 15, 2003, 08:38:00 AM
and it would take a weekend to make a web browser that is xbox compatable.
all you need is the knowledge of xbox programming, and that is what takes months and months.
im not a programmer,, it confuses me.
my beast friend is, and is a psycho programmer he's always making all kinds of whicked shit no one else is. he is not into the xbox like we are or id ask him to whip something up,, but he has made several programs for windows and one of them was a browser, it took him like 3 days to make and test. he's also made scanners, p2p clients, port/ip monitors/blockers.
so its not a question of can it be done its a matter of is there someone with the knowledge to make it. and is the demand large enough.
i for one, wish there was one.
Post by: Fardo123 on November 17, 2003, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: WaRnINg| on November 17, 2003, 06:55:00 AM
but for that just install linux
Post by: Fardo123 on November 19, 2003, 01:40:00 AM
If someone has some spare time .. impress us B)
Post by: STARKES on November 19, 2003, 08:12:00 AM
This post has been edited by STARKES: Nov 19 2003, 04:12 PM
Post by: Kthulu on December 01, 2003, 07:28:00 PM
even if you assembled a team of the greatest minds on earth and gave them years to develop a native xbox browser, it would have to be crap...the native xbox environment just isn't suited for it. it would be so simplistic in feature-set or unwieldy to use. arguments against this will fall on deaf ears with me.
if you want to use your xbox like a PC, install linux. i don't really understand the compulsion to run linux on the xbox either tho...unless there were some emulator that ran better/had higher compatibility on xbox-linux (but seems doubtful to me) OR if you wanted a cheap, linux firewall/router (but since there's only 1 ethernet port, doubt that would be a big performer)
to mod or maintain a modded xbox, you really need a PC anyway. so if you want to run linux, install it on the PC. if you don't want to give up Windows, dual-boot or get a swappable drive rack for $20 bucks and an old hard-drive from ebay to install to.
i would like to hear some other reasons for running linux on xbox though...
Post by: cainedna on December 02, 2003, 08:44:00 AM
You can also use it to turn it into a PVR with Freevo. It makes sense, as I put a much bigger HD in the Xbox than my home computer.
Post by: LESTAT on December 02, 2003, 01:18:00 PM
i was loving the dreamcast browser.
so ill quote a comment made by a sega programmer that i remember from an old DC article,.
this was right before the DC browser came out.
"If i wanted to make a browser, i could, and easily in a weekend. it would be lacking many features but it would be fully functional"
and that was a DC,, now you talk about a console not meant to run programs like windows i think there is your console.
i would like to see a push for a browser, i for one would be loving an xbox browser,, looking up cheats, and codes, and game reviews,, forums, and such.
its just a coooool idea.
btw, Since MS own WebTV (which i also owned and LOVED, webtv was cool when you couldnt afford a PC, i learned alot of html from that thing) it would be cool to actually push MS to code a browser or something like webtv for the xbox. but FREE.
but again that falls into M$ not wanting to make the xbox into a pc, which is just assinine. they think a mouse and keyboard will make it too much of a pc clone,, they really need help over there.
a mouse and keyboard would make their FPS game sales go thru the roof.
Post by: Kthulu on December 02, 2003, 05:30:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It's mostly a novelty, but I've foud a use. I'll be leaving the country for a while, and am not taking my computer along. It'll make it easier to check the Xbox-Scene from time to time, or even download new emulators to it. You can also use it to turn it into a PVR with Freevo. It makes sense, as I put a much bigger HD in the Xbox than my home computer. |
that is most interesting. the one thing i have not done, but would very much like to do. i had given up hope for doing such a thing. how in the world do you get video INPUT into the xbox? is there some USB video capture device or something?
Post by: The unProfessional on December 03, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
You know; many developers are writing software for the xbox, but some people are just never pleased. Who'd have thought we'd eventually have a game console that could be easily modified to do nearly everything a PC does... and I emphasize "nearly". Be happy, and stop asking for the same things over and over again. At least three threads addressed the browser issue for weeks in the past. SEARCH AND READ!
I'm sick of:
"I'm not a programmer, but a browser should be pretty simple... we could just port it from the PC or something."
Right... you're not a programmer, so you're speculating. Take our word for what it's worth now and then.
or
"I know a guy who can write a complete browser in (insert obnoxiously short time frame here)... I'll see if he can crank it out for us."
Hmm... funny how we never hear about this again. Shoot, with your friend in the house, we can just forward all requests to him and he'll be done in a month.
In reference to the DC browser, I believe the DC used a Windows CE (or derived) OS. WinCE has a GDI, and developing for it is much like developing standard windows apps. Mind you, even in windows, development of a browser from scratch is months to years of work. How else would entire companies exist solely on their browsers? Do you really think it's 3 days of work? That Sega dev was just being cocky. Don't believe everything you read (even this) without doing your homework.
Don't respond by saying I'm being a jerk about this. It's great to see people request useful tools. But if it's something that's been addressed so much in the past, you'll annoy people.
This post has been edited by The unProfessional: Dec 3 2003, 06:13 PM
Post by: zinkoxyde on December 03, 2003, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: GreenPixel on December 03, 2003, 11:03:00 AM
So my question now is this: Why is it next to impossible to write a small, limited feature web browser on the xbox? I'm sure as long as they can visit sites like cnn.com or our lovely xbox--scene.com they will be satisfied. I know for myself I'd like to have it when my gf's on the pc. Thanks for hearing me out, and three cheers to everything you developers have done for us so far!
Post by: Potato Bob on December 03, 2003, 11:45:00 AM
Do u even know what it takes to run a web browser?
Have u ever used a program tat didnt need drivers or somthing similar?
Well most of what we need is in linux
and besides running linux just for a web broswer is pretty fast
considering i use gentoox xfce.
and it doesnt even com minutes near 5mins to boot
besidesyou could just stip the os down if u just wanted a web browser from linux
Post by: LESTAT on December 04, 2003, 06:25:00 AM
what os has thru history and currently, more bugs and security issues than windows ??
LINUX!!!
say all you want,, but its the truth,.
and as for linuXbox well blah not gunna happen for me at least and MANY MANY others.
if not using the os and using the web browser was a choice,, which im not aware of it being. .. ?? i mean how do you skip an OS just to use a web browser.
why not rip linux and keep mozilla and the kernel ??
is this possible ??
remove all the shit that is in linuXbox, and just keep mozilla and the kernels required for it ? install it and tadaaa you have your browser.
Post by: LESTAT on December 04, 2003, 06:30:00 AM
yes he used SOME of the IE drivers and kernels but he still used most of his own programming.
theres no doubt about it guys its gunna take someone with some linux or xbox knowledge to do it. and i am pretty confident that there is enough of a demand for it.
now all we need is someone with the time and skills to make it.
there are pro's and cons,, people for and against it.
but fighting about it isnt doing anything.
if you dont like the idea thats cool if you do thats cool.
but to tell people its stupid or they are stupid or whatever isnt really good.
ALOT of people either dont like linux or dont understand alot of it, so installing it is not an option.
and a basic web browser HONESTLY isnt going to be that hard to make. just a basic window/skin with the programming for java and other things. it dont need to be the king of browsers. the dreamcast one wasnt but it did the job and did it well.
i hope to see this browser happen, i really do.
Post by: Wishi on December 04, 2003, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Dec 3 2003, 06:50 PM) |
| *Good, and as ever repeated points, for idiots who can't search.* |
The words "Here, here!" come to mind.
Will people please look at that Search button. Seriously, look real close and then use it before starting exactly the same topic as has been covered dozens of times before.