Post by: krayzie on November 20, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
http://anandtech.com...aspx?i=2611&p=3
Post by: deadparrot on November 20, 2005, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: BCfosheezy on November 20, 2005, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Nov 20 2005, 09:57 AM)
Could it be an embedded XBE type BIOS, such as some of the new Xecuter BIOSes? That way, everything could be stored neatly on the one chip.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: geniusalz on November 20, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
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Yeah, the dashboard is on the flash. The dashboard's actually less than 3 megabytes, so I wonder what else is on that chip.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: wolvorine4424 on November 21, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
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How do you know this???
More info please, We all want to know this type of stuff...
PLEASE SHARE...
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: lordvader129 on November 23, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
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probably empty space for future updates, also this chip will probably contain your Live account info too
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: Friggenhugeorc on November 23, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
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Your Live acct. Info Is not stored on the chip
all your Live/Profile info needs to be stored on a HD or Memory card. Without those 2 pieces you can't even create a Profile.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: MSi on December 05, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
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on the xbox.com.au website there was an interview with the company that designed the xbox360 dashboard. they said, in the end it turned out to be like 14 megabytes but they had to make it under 4 megabytes or something. crazy
well, if it HAD to be less than 4mb, there must be something else on that chip.. right?
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: lordvader129 on December 05, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
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well, if it HAD to be less than 4mb, there must be something else on that chip.. right?
not necessarily, they might have just wanted to be certain to have a good amount of expansion space, part of the chip might also be a microcache for dashboard functions
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: The_Truth on December 11, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
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I agree that the nand chip is used to store the dash, but I dont believe MS would store the bios on the chip with the dash... too easy for them... the nand chip(if the 360 is designed correctly) is NOT a cache... the reason being... NAND chips have a limited number write/rewrite cycles so they are not used as a ram. also if "caching" a value... it would be on a ram chip since NAND has a very slow reaction time compared to ram. If they were storing a value, it's logical if it's a rarely changed variable (dashboard settings). lol, at least we know for SURE that the dash isnt on the HD.
all of the above said, I believe that it starts its bios and runs self checks(unsure of what), then if everything is OK then it retrieves the dash from the NAND chip. Also, if the original dash was ~14 mb, and they "had" to cut it to 4, then there is something else on the chip or else they would not be worried about 10 more megabytes. even if the dash was 14mb, that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room. why would MS want THAT much expansion room? They either have plans for some MAJOR software upgrade(but why would the cut the first dash down so drastically?), or their is something else stored on the chip.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: Darren101 on December 12, 2005, 04:05:00 AM
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So, anybody know if this chip is encrypted, because if the dash is on it, we might be able to replace it.
That is if M$ have overlooked executable signing, because of all of the other security features.....
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: deadparrot on December 12, 2005, 09:34:00 AM
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that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room.
No. It's 128Mb (Mega bits) which is 16MB (Mega Bytes). The dash is 4MB, leaving 12MB.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: The_Truth on December 14, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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My bad, I had not seen the board nor the #'s off the chip to look up the data sheets...(sorry for the stupidity).
god I want to take one of these things apart!!!
alright...(just looked at data sheets for the hynix nand chips)...
as for the extraction of data/flashing of the chip... I am crosschecking something for a quick&dirty dumper/flasher(will post info on it in a short while... stay tuned!)
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: viperhell on June 09, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
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Can you try your firmware key from your dvd drive to decrypt it? (couldn't hurt)
-vip
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: sowa99 on June 10, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
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I don't think so..
All dvd keys are others. But, if you solder tsop from premium to other premium, console is normaly turned on. So, all consoles have that same key for decrypt flash I think..
Anyone understand me?
IMO
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: sowa99 on June 12, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: Mrcon on August 18, 2006, 11:50:00 AM
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is anyone working on playing games off an external hard drive? if so whats the progress?
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: DR3AD on September 19, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
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While browsing my 360HDD today I noticed a file on it called DASHBOARD. I know the dashboard isnt run off the HDD, otherwise core console would be in trouble.
So what is this file? a Backup of the dash or???
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: PedrosPad on September 23, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
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While browsing my 360HDD today I noticed a file on it called DASHBOARD. I know the dashboard isnt run off the HDD, otherwise core console would be in trouble.
So what is this file? a Backup of the dash or???
Oh? What was the path to this file?
BTW, some screens in games are also a Dashboard.
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Title: Xbox360 Dashboard
Post by: cuban0l0c0 on November 18, 2006, 10:29:00 PM
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all of the above said, I believe that it starts its bios and runs self checks(unsure of what), then if everything is OK then it retrieves the dash from the NAND chip. Also, if the original dash was ~14 mb, and they "had" to cut it to 4, then there is something else on the chip or else they would not be worried about 10 more megabytes. even if the dash was 14mb, that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room. why would MS want THAT much expansion room? They either have plans for some MAJOR software upgrade(but why would the cut the first dash down so drastically?), or their is something else stored on the chip.
The NAND is 16MBytes total (Mb=megabit, MB=Megabyte). There may or may not be anything but the dash on there. We'll find out when someone figures how to dump it.
Post by: geniusalz on November 20, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: wolvorine4424 on November 21, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
More info please, We all want to know this type of stuff...
PLEASE SHARE...
Post by: lordvader129 on November 23, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
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Yeah, the dashboard is on the flash. The dashboard's actually less than 3 megabytes, so I wonder what else is on that chip
probably empty space for future updates, also this chip will probably contain your Live account info too
Post by: Friggenhugeorc on November 23, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
all your Live/Profile info needs to be stored on a HD or Memory card. Without those 2 pieces you can't even create a Profile.
Post by: MSi on December 05, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(sick_mate_xbox @ Nov 24 2005, 02:47 AM) 
on the xbox.com.au website there was an interview with the company that designed the xbox360 dashboard. they said, in the end it turned out to be like 14 megabytes but they had to make it under 4 megabytes or something. crazy
well, if it HAD to be less than 4mb, there must be something else on that chip.. right?
Post by: lordvader129 on December 05, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(MSi @ Dec 5 2005, 06:07 PM)
well, if it HAD to be less than 4mb, there must be something else on that chip.. right?
not necessarily, they might have just wanted to be certain to have a good amount of expansion space, part of the chip might also be a microcache for dashboard functions
Post by: The_Truth on December 11, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
all of the above said, I believe that it starts its bios and runs self checks(unsure of what), then if everything is OK then it retrieves the dash from the NAND chip. Also, if the original dash was ~14 mb, and they "had" to cut it to 4, then there is something else on the chip or else they would not be worried about 10 more megabytes. even if the dash was 14mb, that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room. why would MS want THAT much expansion room? They either have plans for some MAJOR software upgrade(but why would the cut the first dash down so drastically?), or their is something else stored on the chip.
Post by: Darren101 on December 12, 2005, 04:05:00 AM
That is if M$ have overlooked executable signing, because of all of the other security features.....
Post by: deadparrot on December 12, 2005, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(The_Truth @ Dec 11 2005, 11:24 PM)
that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room.
No. It's 128Mb (Mega bits) which is 16MB (Mega Bytes). The dash is 4MB, leaving 12MB.
Post by: The_Truth on December 14, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
god I want to take one of these things apart!!!
alright...(just looked at data sheets for the hynix nand chips)...
as for the extraction of data/flashing of the chip... I am crosschecking something for a quick&dirty dumper/flasher(will post info on it in a short while... stay tuned!)
Post by: viperhell on June 09, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
-vip
Post by: sowa99 on June 10, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
All dvd keys are others. But, if you solder tsop from premium to other premium, console is normaly turned on. So, all consoles have that same key for decrypt flash I think..
Anyone understand me?
IMO
Post by: sowa99 on June 12, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
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But, if you solder tsop from premium to other premium, console is normaly turned on.
Oum, it's wrong (somewhere I read about this.. Or about eeproms, I don't remember x) ). Sorry, my mistake
Post by: Mrcon on August 18, 2006, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: DR3AD on September 19, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
So what is this file? a Backup of the dash or???
Post by: PedrosPad on September 23, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(DR3AD @ Sep 20 2006, 04:07 AM)
While browsing my 360HDD today I noticed a file on it called DASHBOARD. I know the dashboard isnt run off the HDD, otherwise core console would be in trouble.
So what is this file? a Backup of the dash or???
Oh? What was the path to this file?
BTW, some screens in games are also a Dashboard.
Post by: cuban0l0c0 on November 18, 2006, 10:29:00 PM
QUOTE(The_Truth @ Dec 11 2005, 08:24 PM)
all of the above said, I believe that it starts its bios and runs self checks(unsure of what), then if everything is OK then it retrieves the dash from the NAND chip. Also, if the original dash was ~14 mb, and they "had" to cut it to 4, then there is something else on the chip or else they would not be worried about 10 more megabytes. even if the dash was 14mb, that leaves a total of 114mb of expansion room. why would MS want THAT much expansion room? They either have plans for some MAJOR software upgrade(but why would the cut the first dash down so drastically?), or their is something else stored on the chip.
The NAND is 16MBytes total (Mb=megabit, MB=Megabyte). There may or may not be anything but the dash on there. We'll find out when someone figures how to dump it.